Boy, reading the comments, I don't know if I should be honored or offended,lol. The Camaro is 100% stock with the exception of the PYPES mandrel bent X pipe dual exhaust. I've been through the carb, the distributor, curve kit, shift kit in the trans, played with tire pressure, made sure it gets full throttle when peddle is to the floor. Car has 55,000 original miles and is fresh out of over 20years of storage. It has bad valve seals, and at least one bad cam lobe, probably more judging by the knocking and cam bounce when cold. It a low option car, and track scales said 3675lbs on race day. YES, IT IS STOCK, but, YES, IT IS ALSO WELL TUNED!!!!!!!!!!
It’s a beautiful car, I had three 2nd generation camaro’s and none ever looked soo good or were nearly as clean! Props for putting it on the track too!
Tom, you handled that car exceptionally well. My brother's 78 Z no power anything couldn't keep up with my 73 Z. You came off the line much better than either of us.
Truthfully, it was very interesting that day to see the changes they were able to make with that car with just simple tuning in the parking lot. When he showed up, it was running 15s. Through trial and error they got it down to the times shown.
I had a '79, and it would surprise the hell out of you. It wasn't a Z - it ł was the black/red rally sport. 350 4bbl..two wheel peel. My best quarter mile speed was a blistering 15.3. lol. But she would melt the tires.
I own a z28 that I purchased new. 4speed with stock 3.73 gears. It was modified with a true dual system exhaust. It runs good, but this car has to have some major mods to run this good.
@Domino when I bought the car, I removed the converter, then drove it to a local muffler shop. They installed a dual system with 2 turbo mufflers. It is not an H-pipe setup. Since this car has been highway driven and stored every winter, with only 76,000 miles, the same pipes and mufflers are still on the car in great shape. I could feel the difference in acceleration, but since it was never a drag car I can't tell you the trap speed times. The lack of the weight of an air conditioner and other options, along with the stock 3.73 gears gives it a feel of power.
Not really. I owned a '79 Camaro very similar to this car. The funny thing about the emissions era is found in how ONLY the engine was hobbled by the rules. The motor's complete lack of compression and flat as Montana cam profile was enough to just kill performance but after the engine things still look pretty good. You got a close ratio 4 speed and 3:73 gears. To get this high 14 sec quarter mile all you really have to do is remove the CAT in the exhaust. I'm betting in this "pure stock" race the owner has holllowed out the converter, assuming rules don't allow him to just remove it.
@@Dogboy1960 The narrator stated in the Camaro description that the stock exhaust was removed and duals installed. My comment was based from my personal experiences between small block Chevy and big block Mopars doesn't fair well for the 350s Even the 69 Corvette 4 speed I had. Some vehicles stock some not. I'm no expert and didn't compare my or my friends vehicles at the track or scientifically but we made regular trips to Mexico if you get my drift. I think in these stock races some people spend more time getting to the edge of the rules than others do. Plus some just plain drive better as well. Did you ever do any racing with your 79 and did you leave it stock?
@@bw3506 Yes. The '79 was a 4 speed car. Stock with no changes beyond that "test" pipe in place of where the Cat was resulted in a 15.1 1/4 mile time. Next up was a set of headers 2.5" exhaust. A 14.9 was my first step under the 15 sec range. Unfortunately the next step was big one so I can't say what contributed most to the time. A set of aluminum RHS heads, a cam swap and then the very easy Aluminum intake and a 750 Holley 4150 completely transformened the car from emissions hobbled to old school 1960s era tech. Still though, it's worth pointing to the idea that compression with the stock dish pistons was no higher than a mere 9:1. The car ran 14.0 consistently. I did hit a 13.87 best and a couple of 13.9s along the way but in truth this was 14.0 car. That was 35 plus years ago and the car is LONG GONE sold it in the middle of the 1980s. As Irony would have it though today I own a '79 Corvette done correctly and without the budget limitations a 20-25 year old had to live with back in the day. A 383 crate engine makes just about 475HP and it's power is routed through a TCI Automatic with a 2500 stall converter. This emissions Era "push over" easily runs right along side my 2018 6 speed 392 Dodge Challenger to a mid to high 12 second quarter mile. I guess my point is this, "Never assume that just because a car was built in this late 70s era it's gonna be slow" Let's face it the late 1970s was more than 40 years ago and not many of those wheezy engines are still alive today......most are long gone and have been replaced with something better. Yet foolishly there are still a lot of guys who honestly believe these cars are somehow incapable of speed. Nothing could be more INCORRECT.
@@Dogboy1960 I totally agree with all you stated and enjoyed reading about the progression of your Camaro. I'm not one of the guys that have to be right about everything and argue for arguengs sake. Just saying in my opinion this Camaro ran good for what it is and what it was against. From the comments I'm not the only one.
Hey man, I just wanted to say thanks for the continued evolution of your channel... this latest style of video that incorporates the old commercials, the humor, background info + the actual race itself... good formula for highly watchable videos. Much appreciated!
@@CarsAndZebras Those Camaros, and also Trans Am's, if you cammed them and just removed all the air smog pump crap and exhaust actually would run good. I used to race those a LOT in my 72 340 cuda, and also the new (well 1988) mustang GT 5.0 were fast after a few minor modifications.
Well, as mentioned it does have a mandrel bent exhaust with the catalytic converter (yes, ONE factory catalytic converter 😖) removed. Makes a huge difference. 👍 of course all the other fine tuning (re-curve, shift kit, etc) helps
@@CarsAndZebras not from the same era one is a small block with a pig pump on it the other was built to run on higher octane leaded gas and also a big block. Try apples to apples with a big block with lesser cube big block like an L78 396 in a Chevelle or Camaro against the GTX without even thinking about going into something with an L88 427 in it. I was shocked that the 78 z did that well
@@garydoyle7155 By 78 the Camaro couldn't be had with a big block stock from the factory only the trucks usually 1 ton or bigger & by the way the 396 is actually 402 cubes if you figure out the math & look at what the bore & stroke are for those & GM just called them a 396 to fool the emissions doctors who had set guidelines on emissions for certain sized engines & that was one way of GM not having to put emissions on those bigger engines used in the trucks back then . I know because I had a few plus a built 70 454 LS6 that I put a bigger solid lifter cam in it along with a Edelbrock XC-96 2x4 cross ram with Hooker super comp big tube headers in a 66 Chevelle SS396 car originally that was a 4spd car with 4:10s & it would pull the front wheels with some old drag slicks I had on it . I had a girlfriend who had one of these Z28s & it could hardly get out of its own way I remember when driving it lol.
@@peteloomis8456 considering I've built more cars than you've probably ever seen, been on An IMSA prototype team, been on a funny car team I know what you could get for a power plant in a 78 Camaro and at no point did I suggest that they put big blocks in them - - I have but the factory didn't. They did put big blocks in Camaro first gens and nobody was talking about trucks anywhere in this and when the original big blocks came out there were no emissions laws or even talk about emissions. I built 302s before Chevrolet put them in the Z28s in "67 by putting a 283 crank in a 327 block ( which if you want to get technical comes out to 301. something). Our team from a small town in northern Arizona won the AHRA Winter Nationals in B Street Hot Rod in 1970 at Beeline. I didn't read about this in some magazine I built and drove the rods back then. Try learning to read before you start imparting your great knowledge to the world when I said apples to apples I meant just that - - the GTX was a pre-emissions big block whereas the the 78 Z was a pig pump emissions SBC ( read Tom Miller's comments below about the 78 ). Then there is the technology gap of 10 years between a 67 GTX and a 78 Camaro. To be clear and so you know in a few days I'll be 71 I didn't read it I lived it and I still have a 78 C3 Vette a blown 355 SBC with Hooker Super Comp Outsiders with a 4 speed that runs 10s, a 1937 Buick highly customized coupe with an SBC, and an 85 Z 28 - - even my boat and Class A RV have 454s in them. I've been racing Chevies probably longer than you've been on the planet but thanks for all your knowledge. Speaking of truck engines I did have a 63 Impala SS 409 once - - I say that because the truck we used as a hauler had a 409 in it from the factory just like the SS did
For those questioning how a 16 second Camaro ran 14's, here are my two cents. 1978 was near the pinnacle of smog restriction. Manufacturers relied on single exhaust blowing through the most restrictive, pellet-style cats, retarded ignition timing to limit HC, and lean carb settings to reduce CO. I am not surprised that a true 2.5" free-flowing dual exhaust system, optimized ignition timing and more favorable carb jetting dropped ET more than a second.
My 82TA with the dreaded Crossfire Fuel Injection ran great after a precision tune. I got it in 90, one owner, nicely optioned. I did a major tune-up, valve & timing adjustments, New ECM, Hypertech chip, cat delete, shift kit, O2 sensor, TPS, etc. Rear end out of 5spd Z28 with better (numerically higher) gears. New high volume electric fuel pump, 87 WS6 wheels with 245/50/ZR16 BFGoodrich Comp TAs (soft compound, 150mph speed rated tires) I was running with new (at the time) fox bodies, 350 IROCs and Formulas, even beat a couple of mid 90s Corvettes. With a 305.
I did not say this in the video, but these cars participate with the Factory Stock class at the F.A.S.T. drags. Rules are very similar to Pure Stock racing. As usual, the rules and regulations are listed in the video description box. Also, it was around 92° that day at the track.
I owned a 78 Z28 but I made my hood scoop functional, had true dual exhaust, tweaked the "rotten Chester* carb u traitor & ran 13.9's... great holeshot too.. thanks C&Z for another great mismatch... Pfhhhhht... 🤪👍😆🍌
@@CarsAndZebras 14 second times are not bad for a 440 and damn good for a late seventies Z28. Kudos to Tom and knowing his way around his Z. I would like to see what he could with a 440 GTX!
My first new car was a 1978 Z-28, Carmine (burgandy) metallic with gold striping, and a tan cloth interior from the type LT Camaro. I ordered it from the factory in November of 1977, and took delivery in March of 1978. It was the only '78 Z I've ever seen with a cloth interior. I passed on the dealer-installed T-Tops. I ordered the gold turbine wheels, but by February I discovered they were on back order with no known delivery date, so I got the color-matched stock wheels instead. I had already waited long enough! It came stock with the dreaded and deadly Firestone 500 radials. I installed an aftermarket sound system, Western Superlite wheels (whch I painted to match the gold striping), and 60 series Goodyear tires. A couple years later, I installed a Fairbanks 3K stall converter, added extra clutch packs to first and second gear, a full shift kit, and true dual exhaust. I could take 455 Trans Ams between stoplights after that, even with a paltry 185HP. It was nowhere near as fast as the '69 Z-28 I drove after college, but it rode smooth, and handled like a go-cart. I sold it in 1983 when my wife and I had our first kid. Couldn't get a baby seat in the back of that Camaro, or I might still have it.
I have a 78 Z28 myself! Really impressed with the times this one ran, it gives me hope for mine. My car has no rust and is def not a resto mod lol. the motor has been replaced with a GM Goodwrench 350 SBC, powered by a Holley DP. 350TH, 3.42 rear gears. Factory manifold with x pipe. Def not a fast car, but def a fun car:)
I bought a 68 Coronet RT for 400$, only running on 4 cyls correctly when I drove it home,routed spk plg the right way,Ran 14,60 first time at Sacramento !!
My best friend bought a new 78 Z back then. I drove it quite a bit, including a trip to FL. It had a 4 speed with 3.73 gears and no AC. I liked the car, it had character and a sweet exhaust note. But it was slower than hell. Seemed to run out of breath at 4500 rpm. I drag raced it against another friend's 77 TA 6.6 stick and got whipped every time.
Really like your videos man, love seeing the old stock muscle cars go head to head, and I really like your commentary and the way you tell the story. Great to watch. Cheers.
My 383 4 speed 69 Roadrunner used to eat those newer Camaros, Trans Ams, and Mustangs every time. Long hair, heavy metal, and horsepower ruled the road. Those were the days.
2/3/2024: Good Day. I bought a 1969 GTX from the original owner when it was just one and one half years old. AC,PS,PB, Auto & 440 Magnum. Loved that car. Thanks & Best Regards.
Beautiful Z28 and a beautiful GTX as well. I don't think anyone gave the Camaro a chance against the monster "Super Commando" 440 and rightly so, but the Camaro sure did surprise a lot of people with it's solid performance. And I would have been horribly disappointed if Cars and Zebras didn't take the easy joke!!! Thanks for another great video!
Obviously Brian you haven’t figured out that you need to read the video description box. And what does the LT1 have to do with this? Absolutely irrelevant point.
I have a 79 10th Anniversary TA that I bought in 1987, it was the 403 auto with 2.73 gears, and it weighs nearly 4000lbs. Used to race all the Camaros and Corvettes of the same vintage in my area. Unless the Camaro had a bunch of parts thrown at it, like headers, cam, intake, gears, stall etc. that heavy ass TA would stomp them in the 1/4 and walk away from them on the top end. 145mph was a 4500rpm cruise speed, and the faster it went the more stable it was. The camaros all started getting light in the front and sketchy as hell after 100mph. With the WS6 suspension and 4 wheel disc the TA would go around corners too, despite the 70 series rubber that wallows compared to modern 20 to 45 aspect ratio tires. It had a broken plug wire that caused a random misfire (things you do when you're 18 and mostly clueless) when I took it to the track, where it ran 14.7s rather consistently. The slowest run was a 15.0. So its not as fast as my GTOs (12s to 11s for daily drivers) and not as fast as my 79 Formula (mid nines on pump gas) it was certainly faster than the post 71 Camaros and Corvettes. The 403 is an ok engine, they get decent mileage and have ok power, especially if you put headers and an intake on them. Ran one in my 72 GTO for a while when it was my family car, got it out of a 79 SE TA. My 10th has been sitting since 1988 when I enlisted, really need to get it out of storage and rebuild it. So yeah, dude has done a lot to it to get it into the 14s.
I own a 1979 Z28 that I bought new. Special ordered with 4 speed and no air. Stored out of the salt every winter. The exhaust system was modified to a true dual set up with no converter. It runs good with the manual and 3.73 gears that came with the 4 speed, but the quarter mile time seems unlikely unless the engine has been modified.
I drove a friend's then new 78 Z28 to Florida from Illinois. It had a stick and no air, and a 3.73 axle. Laid a quarter mile type beating on it down Hwy A1A. Top speed was about 110 as I recall. I liked the car and it made all the right music but it was absolutely out of beans by 4500 rpm...very anemic. Headers and true duals would have been the cure. I can still smell the sulfur of that catalytic converter.
My buddy had a 81 or 82 ford Granada 100% stock & had been badly wrecked & out ran a 1982 Z28 at the drag strip. Twice. Z28's has never impressed me at all. Love the channel.
My first car I drove was my parents 78 Camaro LT. 305 2bbl. I messed with the carb, unbolted the exhaust right after the converter, and flipped over the air cleaner lid. I blew away my friends dad's 360 V-8 Chrysler. It wasn't real fast, but it held it's own, for my HS ride. lol
Great match up! For the next video, can I suggest a 69 Chevelle L89 with a 4:88 and 4 speed and a 76 Mustang II Ghia automatic with the wire wheel hubcaps? Thanks in advance.
That is definitely not true. You could get a four-speed in every state except California with the z28 that year. www.automobile-catalog.com/make/chevrolet_usa/camaro_2gen/camaro_2gen_z28/1978.html
@@therewhatgoes8038 I have never seen an Z28 from 1978 to 1981 with a 350 4spd. I only have seen a 305 4spd. And i tried to order my 1980 Z28 with a 350 4spd and i was told at the dealer at the time i can not and it came with automatic and i still have all of my paper work from the dealer. The dealer was Kenny Ross.
That's wrong. Check the March 1978 issue of "Car and Driver". Also check Wikipedia on the 78 Camaro. I sat at the salesman's desk at an Elmhurst Illinois Chevy dealer while my best friend ordered a new 1978 black with saddle interior 4 speed Z-28 with no air. When it was delivered the window sticker read 350 cubic inch LM-1 as did the emissions sticker on the radiator panel.
@@markg7030 Yea I corrected myself a couple hours later. I ordered one just like this in 1978 but with t tops car got delayed because of t tops switching from hurst to fisher body so I bought a new 78 Formula Firebird Loved it just the same
CC Ryder that gtx would take any motor available with ease ! It’s still a junk Chrysler but early enough that wasn’t a huge problem yet ! It was a poor match from the start
Back in the day my 69' 383 Road runner ran 13.9 Auto Trans, stock except for headers and G-60x14 in. wide tires. And I still spun out taking off. This was in the mid 70s. Leaded gas was still around but Octane was being lowered. When these cars were built 101-105 leaded octane was being used at the pump still. Lower Octane reduces performance.
We read once that in 1978, the fastest American made production car was the Plymouth Fury/Dodge Monaco Police Package Cars with the 440. Don’t remember the Lil’ Red Express Trucks with the 360’s, but the story that was written about those cars of that year may have overlooked the Truck.
You gotta give Chevrolet credit, government regulations during that time were doing what they could to hinder performance. Chevrolet builds one of the best looking cars at the time, and with their hands pretty much tied they end up with some decent performance and big time sales numbers. That's what makes these cars impressive.
I had a blue '78 Z-28 thru most of the 80's. I put duel exhaust with a crossover pipe and Walker Super Turbo mufflers on it and had the distributor blue printed and recurved. It ran 15.3 in the low 90 mph range at the track. Then nitrous got it to 14.3 @ 102 mph spinning hard on regular street tires. Good times 👍
The last time my '79 Z-28 Camaro was up to Martin it rand 13:56 @107 MPH with street tires and still has that stock 8.2 to 1 compression .. I have made more mods since that should drop my time quite a bit ..
There were no manual transmission V8s in California from 1976 through 1980, on Corvette they made a big deal about the 81 L81 4-speed as this was the first manual transmission Corvette since 1975.
There was no other 440s in previous years. The largest mopar engine in 1966 was the 426 wedge or hemi. The 440 was changed in mid 67 . upgraded from 350 HP standard to 375 HP for the muscle cars.
@@CarsAndZebras I guess I have two books that are wrong. One states that the 440 was designed and built in 66, but not offered until 67 in a 350 HP form. Then the big valves were installed into the 915 heads and the HP was raised to 375 in mid 67. That is why there are two types of the same part number 915 heads. Thank you for your input.
GTX vs 78 Z. Shameful At 19 I had a 1970 Road Runner 383Mag, Holley 750, Hookers, with Dana60 388, 727TF. It ate Z28 in the 1/4. Ate GTX's also. Nothing fancy stock cam and heads. Left it in D green light stomp it TF did the rest.
Yup. If the car or pick up came from the factory with a 4V Carb the Chev 350 usually had 4 bolt intermediate ( three in the middle not the two on the ends) main bearings. 010 blocks are great, some have a higher nickel content. Codes on the front behind the timing chain cover. Had one with a nitrided crank and hvy duty pink (ish) connecting rods. LS-9 from a hvy half ton pick up. 8.2/1 like this Z.
@@CarsAndZebras Yeah! ahaha. probs 145..top up or down, baha. in a 71 fuselage bod, more yet. aerodynamically, the late 60's B body Mopes can lift the front tires at near top speed, bc aero issues galore! My ha is off to Richard Petty, his '67 Belvedere was his winningest ride, ever and that is saying a lot!
Gotta go with the GTX as a "want to have" too. Love them old MOPARS. If I want to go racing though. The Camaro is the car I'd go with in this two car shoot out not the GTX. Bang for the buck it's all but impossible to beat the SBC and in the end you can't do anything that will hurt the Camaro's resale. It's a guilt free no worries potential drag racer The GTX how-ever deserves a good restoration and crashing it or blowing up a matching numbers engine would be a far bigger blow to value of what is quickly becoming a pretty rare car with actual auction potential.
My first new car was a 1967 gtx 440 dark green black stripes baby moons and beauty rings. Did alot of street racing on 8 mile in Detriot also on Woodward. Surprised a lot non Mopars.
This is one of those races. The kind that clears up some misconceptions about the past while still revealing the difference between the "smog" motor era and the Muscle car era. Yes, the older cars had more power and the late 70s cars had been seriously de-tuned with low compression and cam profiles designed with what comes out of a tail pipe in mind rather than power as first priority. Yet, what you see here is a pretty good view of how the TYPICAL Muscle car wasn't as fast as most who spin the tales and stories want you to believe and the smog era cars, while obviously weaker, they weren't as slow as the prevailing opinion suggests either. When-ever any of us go to the Drag Strip the car we see running today and/or the cars I saw run back in the day.......rare is the example that is actually show-room stock. Virtually every car at the strip has been at least tweaked and often changed more seriously than that. No out comes are a sure thing.
The GTX will win and I wish I was there to race Norm. His 67 GTX convert against my 67 R/T convert. Hope he brings it to the pure stock drags this fall at the Mid Michigan Motorplex. Mine R/T is still running the 2.94 gears and ran 14.51 at the this race in the past.
Good day C & Z, Considering the weight of the GTX a very respectable time. Not too shabby the Z/28 either. Another great video again. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Had the 1976 camaro tyle LT in the two years they didn;t offer Z28 (name) ; pretty much same equipment, as Z28 trim; and had 350, 3.73 axle, 4 spd, ; had smog stuff stripped and cam, exhaust and good tune to match, one of favorite driving cars or the era, and vehicle dynamics a shade better than many heavy muscle cars,
I'm wondering how you tune such boat anchor powered, heavy car with an automatic and low compression to run in the 14s. For example a 69 Mustang with a 390, 10:1 compression, and no smog restrictions would only run 15s from the factory.
off the showroom floor, no contest, it'd be GTX, every time..even pulling a trailer! This race shows to go..mid-late 70's cars can be de-smogged and run pretty good. My bro & I are getting a '70 Fury Gran Coupe finished up..has a de-smogged '77 440 in it and she pulls strong, indeed. Ditched the Lean Burn (which actually helped the cars make more power..it just didn't always work/run well) bc of emissions shenanigans/rules. Mopar dist & ecu, '74 Thermo-Quad, so properly set up...ofc no cats, timing set for actual power & efficiency, not just some EPA hydrocarbon bs :p
Haven't you heard the "Third-Time" is the Charm!?! At Least you should've "bench-raced" with US on the 'Top-3 mods' that'd bring the "Shrimp-boat" into PAR with the GTX. I think Uncle Frank's 430Hp 383 stroker slipped behind that 350, misplacing the exhaust, cat, & mufflers so you are "Forced" to run OPEN, and startlingly, finding out that 3:42 rear, wuz REALLY a 4:33 from some mid-60s Poncho, should "turn the tables" on that Mopar! I was Amazed they were as close as they were!
Boy, reading the comments, I don't know if I should be honored or offended,lol.
The Camaro is 100% stock with the exception of the PYPES mandrel bent X pipe dual exhaust.
I've been through the carb, the distributor, curve kit, shift kit in the trans, played with tire pressure, made sure it gets full throttle when peddle is to the floor.
Car has 55,000 original miles and is fresh out of over 20years of storage.
It has bad valve seals, and at least one bad cam lobe, probably more judging by the knocking and cam bounce when cold.
It a low option car, and track scales said 3675lbs on race day.
YES, IT IS STOCK, but, YES, IT IS ALSO WELL TUNED!!!!!!!!!!
Nice job Tom. Most of the tards on here couldn't tune their push mower.
Thanks for commenting, Tom! I’ll pin your comment so everyone can see it. Hopefully I’ll see the car again in the fall!
@@CarsAndZebras thanks for the great video, very nicely done, both entertaining and educational.
Great job!
It’s a beautiful car, I had three 2nd generation camaro’s and none ever looked soo good or were nearly as clean! Props for putting it on the track too!
Tom, you handled that car exceptionally well. My brother's 78 Z no power anything couldn't keep up with my 73 Z. You came off the line much better than either of us.
I was very surprised the Z-28 did as well as it did.
Truthfully, it was very interesting that day to see the changes they were able to make with that car with just simple tuning in the parking lot. When he showed up, it was running 15s. Through trial and error they got it down to the times shown.
I had a '79, and it would surprise the hell out of you. It wasn't a Z - it ł was the black/red rally sport. 350 4bbl..two wheel peel. My best quarter mile speed was a blistering 15.3. lol. But she would melt the tires.
I own a z28 that I purchased new. 4speed with stock 3.73 gears. It was modified with a true dual system exhaust. It runs good, but this car has to have some major mods to run this good.
@Domino when I bought the car, I removed the converter, then drove it to a local muffler shop. They installed a dual system with 2 turbo mufflers. It is not an H-pipe setup. Since this car has been highway driven and stored every winter, with only 76,000 miles, the same pipes and mufflers are still on the car in great shape. I could feel the difference in acceleration, but since it was never a drag car I can't tell you the trap speed times. The lack of the weight of an air conditioner and other options, along with the stock 3.73 gears gives it a feel of power.
16seconds& 2 dayslmao
The Camaro did better against the GTX than I ever expected.
Not really. I owned a '79 Camaro very similar to this car. The funny thing about the emissions era is found in how ONLY the engine was hobbled by the rules. The motor's complete lack of compression and flat as Montana cam profile was enough to just kill performance but after the engine things still look pretty good. You got a close ratio 4 speed and 3:73 gears. To get this high 14 sec quarter mile all you really have to do is remove the CAT in the exhaust. I'm betting in this "pure stock" race the owner has holllowed out the converter, assuming rules don't allow him to just remove it.
@@Dogboy1960 The narrator stated in the Camaro description that the stock exhaust was removed and duals installed. My comment was based from my personal experiences between small block Chevy and big block Mopars doesn't fair well for the 350s Even the 69 Corvette 4 speed I had. Some vehicles stock some not. I'm no expert and didn't compare my or my friends vehicles at the track or scientifically but we made regular trips to Mexico if you get my drift. I think in these stock races some people spend more time getting to the edge of the rules than others do. Plus some just plain drive better as well. Did you ever do any racing with your 79 and did you leave it stock?
@@bw3506 Yes. The '79 was a 4 speed car. Stock with no changes beyond that "test" pipe in place of where the Cat was resulted in a 15.1 1/4 mile time. Next up was a set of headers 2.5" exhaust. A 14.9 was my first step under the 15 sec range. Unfortunately the next step was big one so I can't say what contributed most to the time. A set of aluminum RHS heads, a cam swap and then the very easy Aluminum intake and a 750 Holley 4150 completely transformened the car from emissions hobbled to old school 1960s era tech. Still though, it's worth pointing to the idea that compression with the stock dish pistons was no higher than a mere 9:1. The car ran 14.0 consistently. I did hit a 13.87 best and a couple of 13.9s along the way but in truth this was 14.0 car. That was 35 plus years ago and the car is LONG GONE sold it in the middle of the 1980s. As Irony would have it though today I own a '79 Corvette done correctly and without the budget limitations a 20-25 year old had to live with back in the day. A 383 crate engine makes just about 475HP and it's power is routed through a TCI Automatic with a 2500 stall converter. This emissions Era "push over" easily runs right along side my 2018 6 speed 392 Dodge Challenger to a mid to high 12 second quarter mile. I guess my point is this, "Never assume that just because a car was built in this late 70s era it's gonna be slow" Let's face it the late 1970s was more than 40 years ago and not many of those wheezy engines are still alive today......most are long gone and have been replaced with something better. Yet foolishly there are still a lot of guys who honestly believe these cars are somehow incapable of speed. Nothing could be more INCORRECT.
@@Dogboy1960 I totally agree with all you stated and enjoyed reading about the progression of your Camaro. I'm not one of the guys that have to be right about everything and argue for arguengs sake. Just saying in my opinion this Camaro ran good for what it is and what it was against. From the comments I'm not the only one.
That's because the camaro isn't stock!😂😂😂 hence the name of this title👀🙇😳
Hey man, I just wanted to say thanks for the continued evolution of your channel... this latest style of video that incorporates the old commercials, the humor, background info + the actual race itself... good formula for highly watchable videos. Much appreciated!
No problem, thanks for watching!
@@CarsAndZebras Those Camaros, and also Trans Am's, if you cammed them and just removed all the air smog pump crap and exhaust actually would run good. I used to race those a LOT in my 72 340 cuda, and also the new (well 1988) mustang GT 5.0 were fast after a few minor modifications.
Camaro had a little sugar in the tank. Fastest 1978 stock Z28 I’ve ever seen, those things were dogs.
Well, as mentioned it does have a mandrel bent exhaust with the catalytic converter (yes, ONE factory catalytic converter 😖) removed. Makes a huge difference. 👍 of course all the other fine tuning (re-curve, shift kit, etc) helps
@@CarsAndZebras re curve?
Kemble Gilstrap distributor weights were changed so your timing curve comes in either earlier or later depending on what springs you go with
@@matthewklosowski7851 right. I'm familiar with that. I was just surprised to hear that HEI distributor still had weights in it.
I had one ,total dog
Give the Z28 credit though... Impressive times from the era...
Very interesting car. Neat seeing one in original condition
@@CarsAndZebras not from the same era one is a small block with a pig pump on it the other was built to run on higher octane leaded gas and also a big block. Try apples to apples with a big block with lesser cube big block like an L78 396 in a Chevelle or Camaro against the GTX without even thinking about going into something with an L88 427 in it. I was shocked that the 78 z did that well
Nowhere near stock. Stock the Z/28 will be lucky to break into the 16s.
@@garydoyle7155 By 78 the Camaro couldn't be had with a big block stock from the factory only the trucks usually 1 ton or bigger & by the way the 396 is actually 402 cubes if you figure out the math & look at what the bore & stroke are for those & GM just called them a 396 to fool the emissions doctors who had set guidelines on emissions for certain sized engines & that was one way of GM not having to put emissions on those bigger engines used in the trucks back then . I know because I had a few plus a built 70 454 LS6 that I put a bigger solid lifter cam in it along with a Edelbrock XC-96 2x4 cross ram with Hooker super comp big tube headers in a 66 Chevelle SS396 car originally that was a 4spd car with 4:10s & it would pull the front wheels with some old drag slicks I had on it . I had a girlfriend who had one of these Z28s & it could hardly get out of its own way I remember when driving it lol.
@@peteloomis8456 considering I've built more cars than you've probably ever seen, been on An IMSA prototype team, been on a funny car team I know what you could get for a power plant in a 78 Camaro and at no point did I suggest that they put big blocks in them - - I have but the factory didn't. They did put big blocks in Camaro first gens and nobody was talking about trucks anywhere in this and when the original big blocks came out there were no emissions laws or even talk about emissions. I built 302s before Chevrolet put them in the Z28s in "67 by putting a 283 crank in a 327 block ( which if you want to get technical comes out to 301. something). Our team from a small town in northern Arizona won the AHRA Winter Nationals in B Street Hot Rod in 1970 at Beeline. I didn't read about this in some magazine I built and drove the rods back then. Try learning to read before you start imparting your great knowledge to the world when I said apples to apples I meant just that - - the GTX was a pre-emissions big block whereas the the 78 Z was a pig pump emissions SBC ( read Tom Miller's comments below about the 78 ). Then there is the technology gap of 10 years between a 67 GTX and a 78 Camaro. To be clear and so you know in a few days I'll be 71 I didn't read it I lived it and I still have a 78 C3 Vette a blown 355 SBC with Hooker Super Comp Outsiders with a 4 speed that runs 10s, a 1937 Buick highly customized coupe with an SBC, and an 85 Z 28 - - even my boat and Class A RV have 454s in them. I've been racing Chevies probably longer than you've been on the planet but thanks for all your knowledge. Speaking of truck engines I did have a 63 Impala SS 409 once - - I say that because the truck we used as a hauler had a 409 in it from the factory just like the SS did
For those questioning how a 16 second Camaro ran 14's, here are my two cents. 1978 was near the pinnacle of smog restriction. Manufacturers relied on single exhaust blowing through the most restrictive, pellet-style cats, retarded ignition timing to limit HC, and lean carb settings to reduce CO. I am not surprised that a true 2.5" free-flowing dual exhaust system, optimized ignition timing and more favorable carb jetting dropped ET more than a second.
How DARE YOU think critically and make perfect sense. 😏
My 82TA with the dreaded Crossfire Fuel Injection ran great after a precision tune. I got it in 90, one owner, nicely optioned. I did a major tune-up, valve & timing adjustments, New ECM, Hypertech chip, cat delete, shift kit, O2 sensor, TPS, etc. Rear end out of 5spd Z28 with better (numerically higher) gears. New high volume electric fuel pump, 87 WS6 wheels with 245/50/ZR16 BFGoodrich Comp TAs (soft compound, 150mph speed rated tires) I was running with new (at the time) fox bodies, 350 IROCs and Formulas, even beat a couple of mid 90s Corvettes. With a 305.
Yup. I took a hack saw to my cad converter on my 79 Dodge and replaced it with a glass pack. The increase in hp was crazy!
@@clintdavis9511 no way cross fire injection cars ran good you had to strap a rocket to its ass!
65sohc - I agree, and said something similar a few hours ago, before I read your post.
The 1st car I bought with my own money (not Dads hand never downs) a white 78 Z28 with a four speed. I loved that car. Great video, Thanks!!!
Thanks for watching!
I did not say this in the video, but these cars participate with the Factory Stock class at the F.A.S.T. drags. Rules are very similar to Pure Stock racing. As usual, the rules and regulations are listed in the video description box. Also, it was around 92° that day at the track.
Murica!!! F#%k Yeah!!!
@@tskraj3190 If that's a reference to the movie Team America then that just made my day
I owned a 78 Z28 but I made my hood scoop functional, had true dual exhaust, tweaked the "rotten Chester* carb u traitor & ran 13.9's... great holeshot too.. thanks C&Z for another great mismatch... Pfhhhhht... 🤪👍😆🍌
That camaro was awesome, i figured that was going to be a gigantic mismatch against that 440.
Big Thumbs up for giving my Truck some credit! One of these days mine will be up and running and driving.
I thought the GTX would take this one....even though it is the heavier convertible...props to the Z for hitting sub 15 second times! Interesting race!
Two completely different cars, but still fairly close in ETs 😎
@@CarsAndZebras 14 second times are not bad for a 440 and damn good for a late seventies Z28. Kudos to Tom and knowing his way around his Z. I would like to see what he could with a 440 GTX!
That Z28 isn't chunky, just a little big boned...
THICC
My first new car was a 1978 Z-28, Carmine (burgandy) metallic with gold striping, and a tan cloth interior from the type LT Camaro. I ordered it from the factory in November of 1977, and took delivery in March of 1978. It was the only '78 Z I've ever seen with a cloth interior. I passed on the dealer-installed T-Tops. I ordered the gold turbine wheels, but by February I discovered they were on back order with no known delivery date, so I got the color-matched stock wheels instead. I had already waited long enough! It came stock with the dreaded and deadly Firestone 500 radials. I installed an aftermarket sound system, Western Superlite wheels (whch I painted to match the gold striping), and 60 series Goodyear tires. A couple years later, I installed a Fairbanks 3K stall converter, added extra clutch packs to first and second gear, a full shift kit, and true dual exhaust. I could take 455 Trans Ams between stoplights after that, even with a paltry 185HP. It was nowhere near as fast as the '69 Z-28 I drove after college, but it rode smooth, and handled like a go-cart. I sold it in 1983 when my wife and I had our first kid. Couldn't get a baby seat in the back of that Camaro, or I might still have it.
I have a 78 Z28 myself! Really impressed with the times this one ran, it gives me hope for mine. My car has no rust and is def not a resto mod lol. the motor has been replaced with a GM Goodwrench 350 SBC, powered by a Holley DP. 350TH, 3.42 rear gears. Factory manifold with x pipe. Def not a fast car, but def a fun car:)
If you listen carefully the Camaro guy was blasting out Bon Jovi and Queen tunes at full volume on the cassette player.
I bought a 68 Coronet RT for 400$, only running on 4 cyls correctly when I drove it home,routed spk plg the right way,Ran 14,60 first time at Sacramento !!
My best friend bought a new 78 Z back then. I drove it quite a bit, including a trip to FL. It had a 4 speed with 3.73 gears and no AC. I liked the car, it had character and a sweet exhaust note. But it was slower than hell. Seemed to run out of breath at 4500 rpm. I drag raced it against another friend's 77 TA 6.6 stick and got whipped every time.
My 79 T/A with the WS6 400 4 speed would destroy those Z28’s, but I thought they were cool looking cars. Girls liked both of them. 😊
About right....Because 180 hp vs the TA 6.6 had 220 hp
That's a quick little camaro! I really didn't expect it to go like that!
I did order a new 1977 Z28, a 1978 Z28 and a 1980 Z28. All were 4 speeds. Great handling cars.
Loved the references to the movie commando
Really like your videos man, love seeing the old stock muscle cars go head to head, and I really like your commentary and the way you tell the story. Great to watch. Cheers.
My 383 4 speed 69 Roadrunner used to eat those newer Camaros, Trans Ams, and Mustangs every time.
Long hair, heavy metal, and horsepower ruled the road. Those were the days.
2/3/2024: Good Day. I bought a 1969 GTX from the original owner when it was just one and one half years old.
AC,PS,PB, Auto & 440 Magnum. Loved that car. Thanks & Best Regards.
I had a blue 78 Z28 back in the day. Could not even burn rubber. But it looked cool.
At that point with muscle cars, if it looked cool then it had served its purpose. 😎
Beautiful Z28 and a beautiful GTX as well. I don't think anyone gave the Camaro a chance against the monster "Super Commando" 440 and rightly so, but the Camaro sure did surprise a lot of people with it's solid performance. And I would have been horribly disappointed if Cars and Zebras didn't take the easy joke!!! Thanks for another great video!
There is no way that Camaro has a stock engine. The Z/28 LT1 350 was phased out in 1972. The 78 Camaros were dogs.
There are changes allowed within the Pure Stock rules
Obviously Brian you haven’t figured out that you need to read the video description box. And what does the LT1 have to do with this? Absolutely irrelevant point.
I have a 79 10th Anniversary TA that I bought in 1987, it was the 403 auto with 2.73 gears, and it weighs nearly 4000lbs. Used to race all the Camaros and Corvettes of the same vintage in my area. Unless the Camaro had a bunch of parts thrown at it, like headers, cam, intake, gears, stall etc. that heavy ass TA would stomp them in the 1/4 and walk away from them on the top end. 145mph was a 4500rpm cruise speed, and the faster it went the more stable it was. The camaros all started getting light in the front and sketchy as hell after 100mph. With the WS6 suspension and 4 wheel disc the TA would go around corners too, despite the 70 series rubber that wallows compared to modern 20 to 45 aspect ratio tires.
It had a broken plug wire that caused a random misfire (things you do when you're 18 and mostly clueless) when I took it to the track, where it ran 14.7s rather consistently. The slowest run was a 15.0. So its not as fast as my GTOs (12s to 11s for daily drivers) and not as fast as my 79 Formula (mid nines on pump gas) it was certainly faster than the post 71 Camaros and Corvettes. The 403 is an ok engine, they get decent mileage and have ok power, especially if you put headers and an intake on them. Ran one in my 72 GTO for a while when it was my family car, got it out of a 79 SE TA. My 10th has been sitting since 1988 when I enlisted, really need to get it out of storage and rebuild it.
So yeah, dude has done a lot to it to get it into the 14s.
You leave my grandpa's Belvedere out of this.
I own a 1979 Z28 that I bought new. Special ordered with 4 speed and no air. Stored out of the salt every winter. The exhaust system was modified to a true dual set up with no converter. It runs good with the manual and 3.73 gears that came with the 4 speed, but the quarter mile time seems unlikely unless the engine has been modified.
I drove a friend's then new 78 Z28 to Florida from Illinois. It had a stick and no air, and a 3.73 axle. Laid a quarter mile type beating on it down Hwy A1A. Top speed was about 110 as I recall. I liked the car and it made all the right music but it was absolutely out of beans by 4500 rpm...very anemic. Headers and true duals would have been the cure. I can still smell the sulfur of that catalytic converter.
Mhmmm, sulfur
I never seen a STOCK late 70s Camaro run better than a 16 sec 1/4 myself.
My buddy had a 81 or 82 ford Granada 100% stock & had been badly wrecked & out ran a 1982 Z28 at the drag strip. Twice.
Z28's has never impressed me at all.
Love the channel.
I sold the first 1968 Z28 in Iowa! when they were still a hot car.
I love your videos man, commando was one of my favorite movies as a kid , toilet jokes will never get old , nice one papaya boy
Giving the Camaro a big thumbs up considering 👍👍👍👍👍
My first car I drove was my parents 78 Camaro LT. 305 2bbl. I messed with the carb, unbolted the exhaust right after the converter, and flipped over the air cleaner lid. I blew away my friends dad's 360 V-8 Chrysler. It wasn't real fast, but it held it's own, for my HS ride. lol
Great match up! For the next video, can I suggest a 69 Chevelle L89 with a 4:88 and 4 speed and a 76 Mustang II Ghia automatic with the wire wheel hubcaps? Thanks in advance.
that exact video is already on the channel
zone47 They’d have the mustang running a 10 flat,to the Chevelle’s 12.40 lol.
@@CarsAndZebras Right on!!
Everybody makes fun of Zima! But White Claw, on the other hand, is the best alcoholic drink ever invented?..... They are exactly the same thing!
Shhhhhhh..... Don’t let people know the truth
Odd as it might be I like that Camaro. Decent car for the day
Lol ur videos are funny as hell keep up the good work. Hey I want to see more videos of your Chevelle!!!
Thanks for watching! There will be more videos of the Chevelle in the future, just trying to find some time to finish them
The Z28 in this year only could get a manual 4 spd if it had a 305. All 350s got the automatic transmission
That is definitely not true. You could get a four-speed in every state except California with the z28 that year.
www.automobile-catalog.com/make/chevrolet_usa/camaro_2gen/camaro_2gen_z28/1978.html
@@therewhatgoes8038 I have never seen an Z28 from 1978 to 1981 with a 350 4spd. I only have seen a 305 4spd. And i tried to order my 1980 Z28 with a 350 4spd and i was told at the dealer at the time i can not and it came with automatic and i still have all of my paper work from the dealer.
The dealer was Kenny Ross.
That's wrong. Check the March 1978 issue of "Car and Driver". Also check Wikipedia on the 78 Camaro. I sat at the salesman's desk at an Elmhurst Illinois Chevy dealer while my best friend ordered a new 1978 black with saddle interior 4 speed Z-28 with no air. When it was delivered the window sticker read 350 cubic inch LM-1 as did the emissions sticker on the radiator panel.
Cool Race. The Camaro stood tall against the 435 horse Mopar.
375 horse for the Mopar. The Camaro had every smog device removed and did very well. Take that California!
@@markg7030 Yea I corrected myself a couple hours later. I ordered one just like this in 1978 but with t tops
car got delayed because of t tops switching from hurst to fisher body so I bought a new 78 Formula Firebird
Loved it just the same
That GTX should beat that Camarillo everytime !
CC Ryder that gtx would take any motor available with ease !
It’s still a junk Chrysler but early enough that wasn’t a huge problem yet !
It was a poor match from the start
Love your videos their fun stuff and informative also 👍
Back in the day my 69' 383 Road runner ran 13.9 Auto Trans, stock except for headers and G-60x14 in. wide tires. And I still spun out taking off. This was in the mid 70s. Leaded gas was still around but Octane was being lowered. When these cars were built 101-105 leaded octane was being used at the pump still. Lower Octane reduces performance.
We read once that in 1978, the fastest American made production car was the Plymouth Fury/Dodge Monaco Police Package Cars with the 440. Don’t remember the Lil’ Red Express Trucks with the 360’s, but the story that was written about those cars of that year may have overlooked the Truck.
You gotta give Chevrolet credit, government regulations during that time were doing what they could to hinder performance. Chevrolet builds one of the best looking cars at the time, and with their hands pretty much tied they end up with some decent performance and big time sales numbers. That's what makes these cars impressive.
I had a blue '78 Z-28 thru most of the 80's. I put duel exhaust with a crossover pipe and Walker Super Turbo mufflers on it and had the distributor blue printed and recurved. It ran 15.3 in the low 90 mph range at the track. Then nitrous got it to 14.3 @ 102 mph spinning hard on regular street tires. Good times 👍
My friend had a 78 Z28 and I would out run him with my 68 sport satellite with a 383 4 bbl. That Z was a nice looking car but man o man what a slug.
The last time my '79 Z-28 Camaro was up to Martin it rand 13:56 @107 MPH with street tires and still has that stock 8.2 to 1 compression .. I have made more mods since that should drop my time quite a bit ..
There were no manual transmission V8s in California from 1976 through 1980, on Corvette they made a big deal about the 81 L81 4-speed as this was the first manual transmission Corvette since 1975.
I always brought ZIMA to the parties for the chics, gooooood times...
Love these videos , keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching!
For a smog era Camaro she ran strong
There was no other 440s in previous years. The largest mopar engine in 1966 was the 426 wedge or hemi. The 440 was changed in mid 67 . upgraded from 350 HP standard to 375 HP for the muscle cars.
Yes there was. Chrysler was using the TNT 440 in 1966.
@@CarsAndZebras I guess I have two books that are wrong. One states that the 440 was designed and built in 66, but not offered until 67 in a 350 HP form. Then the big valves were installed into the 915 heads and the HP was raised to 375 in mid 67. That is why there are two types of the same part number 915 heads. Thank you for your input.
That was fun and kinda funky as I own 2 somewhat related cars, both one year newer. I have a 1979 Z28 and a 1968 Plymouth Satellite.
My friend was a mechanic and got his hands on an 80 Z28 where the kid blew the motor. He put in an
LT 1 350 and 410 gears and the car ran 14.10s
There’s a video on the channel of a ‘70 z28 with LT1 and 4.10s
I meant 375 horse Mopar. Camaro still made good showing
GTX vs 78 Z. Shameful
At 19 I had a 1970 Road Runner 383Mag, Holley 750, Hookers, with Dana60 388, 727TF. It ate Z28 in the 1/4. Ate GTX's also. Nothing fancy stock cam and heads. Left it in D green light stomp it TF did the rest.
Unbelievable! The Z28 ran that qtr waaay too fast for a '78 Z28. Must be a car guy.😐
Some z28 blocks were 4 bolt main I had a 1980 and it had the factory 190hp 350 010 block with a 4 bolt main
Yup. If the car or pick up came from the factory with a 4V Carb the Chev 350 usually had 4 bolt intermediate ( three in the middle not the two on the ends) main bearings. 010 blocks are great, some have a higher nickel content. Codes on the front behind the timing chain cover. Had one with a nitrided crank and hvy duty pink (ish) connecting rods. LS-9 from a hvy half ton pick up. 8.2/1 like this Z.
@@jeffnorbert1871 The 010 had nothing to do with nickel content thats an old myth
Commando (1985)
Nailed it 👍
"Remember when I said I'd kill you last? I lied."
Best line ever!
@@holdingonforlife1 HA! I almost used that clip
"People on ludes should not drive"! -Spiccoli
I'm digging both of these cars!
My 68 Barracuda Formula S , 340 , ran 14 flat , best spd was 100 MPH , stock . slicks only .
Camaro has a few hidden secrets.
Runs 13's now in 2021...he just followed the rules for the class. More compression and timing, and better exhaust....
2.94s would give that GTX ungodly top end 🤣
300 mph at least
@@CarsAndZebras Yeah! ahaha. probs 145..top up or down, baha.
in a 71 fuselage bod, more yet.
aerodynamically, the late 60's B body Mopes can lift the front tires at near top speed,
bc aero issues galore!
My ha is off to Richard Petty, his '67 Belvedere was his winningest ride,
ever and that is saying a lot!
We topped out at 172 but couldn't steer much after about 120.
@@brettbankhead7896 172 in what car?
Gotta go with the GTX... More Cubes... Z28 Emissions..
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Gotta go with the GTX as a "want to have" too. Love them old MOPARS. If I want to go racing though. The Camaro is the car I'd go with in this two car shoot out not the GTX. Bang for the buck it's all but impossible to beat the SBC and in the end you can't do anything that will hurt the Camaro's resale. It's a guilt free no worries potential drag racer The GTX how-ever deserves a good restoration and crashing it or blowing up a matching numbers engine would be a far bigger blow to value of what is quickly becoming a pretty rare car with actual auction potential.
GTX all the way
Good choice!
GTx is to square and kinda ugly
With that classic GM fit and finish of the Camaro hood it lost about 1/10th of a second.
With all the weight of those stickers it probably lost another 2/10th 😎
It was a sad era for GM and their pitiful junk. Thankfully, Buick saved GM with the Grand National.
I'm surprised the 3.91s didn't bury the emissions 350.
Come on Bennett...let’s potty 😯
That Camaro's a sleeper. There's no way it could break into the 14's. More like 16:0's. The '68 GTX was a lot faster.
I love the gen 2 Camero’s but they are so slow BUT it did better then I expected.
I prefer the Rallysport but, the z28's pretty badass as well.
My first new car was a 1967 gtx 440 dark green black stripes baby moons and beauty rings. Did alot of street racing on 8 mile in Detriot also on Woodward. Surprised a lot non Mopars.
This is one of those races. The kind that clears up some misconceptions about the past while still revealing the difference between the "smog" motor era and the Muscle car era. Yes, the older cars had more power and the late 70s cars had been seriously de-tuned with low compression and cam profiles designed with what comes out of a tail pipe in mind rather than power as first priority. Yet, what you see here is a pretty good view of how the TYPICAL Muscle car wasn't as fast as most who spin the tales and stories want you to believe and the smog era cars, while obviously weaker, they weren't as slow as the prevailing opinion suggests either. When-ever any of us go to the Drag Strip the car we see running today and/or the cars I saw run back in the day.......rare is the example that is actually show-room stock. Virtually every car at the strip has been at least tweaked and often changed more seriously than that. No out comes are a sure thing.
The GTX will win and I wish I was there to race Norm. His 67 GTX convert against my 67 R/T convert. Hope he brings it to the pure stock drags this fall at the Mid Michigan Motorplex. Mine R/T is still running the 2.94 gears and ran 14.51 at the this race in the past.
Don’t worry, your car will make an appearance in the future. I’ve got the footage ready to go 👍
@@CarsAndZebras when I ran against the Malibu of Kerri R.
@@kevinbaird2332 yeah, that one
The Big RED ONE !
as everyone else has said...dang, that Camaro hauled balls! plus run circles around the Plymouth
Good day C & Z,
Considering the weight of the GTX a very respectable time.
Not too shabby the Z/28 either.
Another great video again.
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For a convertible that monster ran pretty good! early in the morning when it was cooler he ran a 14.01!
@@CarsAndZebras
That is respectable. I wonder if it makes a difference having the roof down or not
Oh !!1967 when muffins were hairy and love was free 😉
Had the 1976 camaro tyle LT in the two years they didn;t offer Z28 (name) ; pretty much same equipment, as Z28 trim; and had 350, 3.73 axle, 4 spd, ; had smog stuff stripped and cam, exhaust and good tune to match, one of favorite driving cars or the era, and vehicle dynamics a shade better than many heavy muscle cars,
I heard Tom is building a engine. Might have to do another video
Already built, ready to go in.
We just wanted to baseline the car with the stock Original engine before dropping in the new engine.
that z28 is my dream car im not keeping original motor when i get on ima put a zl1 in it
I'm wondering how you tune such boat anchor powered, heavy car with an automatic and low compression to run in the 14s.
For example a 69 Mustang with a 390, 10:1 compression, and no smog restrictions would only run 15s from the factory.
If a 78 Z28 ever beat a Mopar with a 440.....and wait for it....”Super Commando!!!”, I’d chop up The Zebra and feed it to all of you!
off the showroom floor, no contest, it'd be GTX, every time..even pulling a trailer!
This race shows to go..mid-late 70's cars can be de-smogged and run pretty good.
My bro & I are getting a '70 Fury Gran Coupe finished up..has a de-smogged '77 440 in it and she pulls strong, indeed.
Ditched the Lean Burn (which actually helped the cars make more power..it just didn't always work/run well)
bc of emissions shenanigans/rules.
Mopar dist & ecu, '74 Thermo-Quad, so properly set up...ofc no cats, timing set for actual power & efficiency, not just some EPA hydrocarbon bs :p
My mom had a burgundy 78 350 4 speed t-tops
Mom was a baller
@@CarsAndZebras yeah man, 4 sets of t-tops were stolen & they weren't cheap back the,
That was impressive, that Camaro surprised me
Haven't you heard the "Third-Time" is the Charm!?! At Least you should've "bench-raced" with US on the 'Top-3 mods' that'd bring the "Shrimp-boat" into PAR with the GTX. I think Uncle Frank's 430Hp 383 stroker slipped behind that 350, misplacing the exhaust, cat, & mufflers so you are "Forced" to run OPEN, and startlingly, finding out that 3:42 rear, wuz REALLY a 4:33 from some mid-60s Poncho, should "turn the tables" on that Mopar! I was Amazed they were as close as they were!
I havn’t watched the video yet, but if the Camaro wins, I’ll trade my car for a Pinto.
That sucked, I was betting on the Z28 love those cars I have one & wouldn't trade mine for nothing it's priceless nice race though, ✌️❣️😉
Nice Run for the Z28
Are you kidding me? That Z-28 was so choked down it barely had 200hp
That Camaro is a sexy looking car! 🥰
There’s no replacement for displacement. Mopar or no car ! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
I love that Gentleman's Muscle Car!