NEW Gaggia Classic 2023 Evo Pro - What Did They Change??
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- There is a new version of the Gaggia Classic Pro, the 2023 "Evo" model, how does it differ from the 2019 Classic Pro?
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Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Colour Options
1:19 New Boiler Coating
1:45 Is it Teflon??
2:08 New Portafilter
2:28 All Brass Group
2:46 Dispersion Plate
2:57 Easier to Build
3:32 Why The Price Change?
4:16 Is the New Classic Worth it?
5:09 Different Wiring?
5:35 Kkkkkkkkkkev's pointless ffffffffffact
6:08 Tatty Bye :-)
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If Gaggia adds PID and installs the spring to reduce the flow, increase the price by 100, then they have a deal.
Hi Louis, OK it's a bit more than £100 more, but: www.thehomebaristas.co.uk/gaggia-classic-customised-with-pid-gauge-dimmer-9-bar-pressure-spring
This one is slightly cheaper www.thehomebaristas.co.uk/coffeemachines/gaggia-classic-pro-customised-with-pid-without-topbox-9-bar-spring
@@Coffee_Kev Thanks Coffee K-K-K-K-K-K-K-Kev, I might check that one out.. :)
I asked them a couple weeks ago about a PID version. They said they are working on that
You should do the gaggiuino mod in a easy to understand ways for people like me who are on the fence on buying and modding one
Hi, i was just about to order the new Gaggia Classic Evo 2023 when i saw pictures and posts on Gaggia classic facebook group mentioning that black flaking is coming out of the steam wand and that consumers are returning their new machines, they all seem to think that the new boiler coating is falling apart and no descaling or flushing is solving the issue. There's a post on reddit about it. I'm concerned, should I place the order or not? Any info about this???
I think Classic (finally) needs a complete overhaul. Or at least a real Pro version that has a PID, slightly bigger/wider body, redesigned offshoot from the solenoid, redesigned tray, redesigned and more mobile steam wand among other things. It's overdue at this point.
The problem with the boiler coating flaking off and ending up in your cup is a deal breaker for me. Seems to be affecting a huge number of machines. Such a shame - I was definitely going to purchase the Classic.
Yeah I can appreciate that. For more on it see: coffeeblog.co.uk/boilergate-gaggia-classic-pro-evo-boiler-problems/
This is the only espresso machine compared to thousands of dollar machines. this is not a coincidence. indeed gaggia could make this machine the best selling machine in the world right now but for some reason they don't think about it. We all know that adding a pid and bar indicator will increase sales. I think, this is the most stable machine ever made in terms of price performance, we all know this day. Congratulations to the gaggia brand, but I really want them to know that they missed this marketing opportunity.
Hi there.
Did you get the boilergate problem?
I bought the 2019 red one in Madagascar for a fair price and I am so happy. There is very good coffee in Madagascar. Bourbon Pointu. So this machine is heaven sent to me.
It's amazing Gaggia is still making what is essentially the same machine design as I bought in 1998. It actually cost more then than it does now at over $550 (back then when $500 bought a lot more than it does today), but it was also wrapped in a very polished metal case even on the back side you didn't see. The more recent brushed metal finish just simply doesn't compare; and while I like the sort of art deco Gaggia text, I REALLY liked the elegant black script that said "Classic Coffee" over the word Gaggia on my 1998 version. It had a more classy, high-quality finish look back then. I would still be using it today for personal use, but when making espresso for more than one person I decided I wanted one with a double boiler (so I could make one espresso after another for multiple people). The machine actually still works today after 26 years, and I gave it to one of my friends about two years ago. It was pretty easy to maintain, and it made good espresso, just not quick enough in succession for what I wanted. If they made one as high end looking as it looked in 1998 I would consider buying another one today now that I'm at the point in life where I'm downsizing, and after getting 16 years of use out of Jura S9 superautomatic.
I advise you to find out about the coating of the new boiler! Many people have a problem with it!
Yeah I mentioned this in the video, it's called Exelia. When you say people have a problem with it, you mean they think it may cause problems in the future or they've actually reported problems? Cheers, Kev.
There are reports of the coating flaking off the boiler. Looks like it's not just a few machines
After looking at this then all the mods that you need, i'm just gonna get a profitec go and have a pressure gauge, pid, and just better all around.
I was hoping they could change the mobility of moving the steam wand😢
I have a classic pro grinder, which grinder do you recommend between bazaarta encore that or smart grinder pro from breville?
Hi, The SGP is a great choice to go with the Gaggia, if you were to look at the Baratza Encore it would have to be the Encore ESP, not the Baratza Encore
Here is the link to the ESP video:
czcams.com/video/raxupidG3nM/video.html
Cheers
Kev
Isn't the group head on the classic pro 2019 stainless steel ? Brass is definitely better.
Furthermore, the coating on the boiler is a big help to prevent galvantic corosian when you have aluminium and brass connected under heat conditions.
So, bottom line, trying to find an answer without success - which version is better? Is the evo has only advantages or also disadvanteges?
And if not modding it, which of the stock products is better?
Is the steam wand the same? Is it still recommended to upgrade it to a different one, like the Rancilio?
They upgraded this in the 2019 version
Has the boiler capacity been increased to 140ml?
Have they updated the boiler coating yet?
Have I missed in the vide that 9 bar overpressure valve? And in BC model calibrated to 10 bars? And in 2019 model it was 15 bars straight?
It doesn't have a 9 bar OPV in the UK, I believe that's the case in North America, although I'm not sure if that's just the units sold by Whole Latte Love. 2019 model OPV is about 13/14 bars - and the 2023 model is the same, except for the ones that are selling in North America with the 9 bar spring. Cheers, Kev.
You did overlook one difference: the 4 connectors on each switch in the old model are now a single 4-pole block. That makes it harder to mod.
Interesting, As mine is exactly the same, where are you based?
In all honesty, it's not that much harder, just requires more patience. You can remove the female spades from the block with a couple micro screwdrivers. The bottom of the female spade has a little piece that needs upward pressure applied to it so it slides out.
Could you compare these two machines - how they maintain the water temperature?
I will add your suggestion to my list, thanks :-)
Looks like they only modded manufacturing process to keep costs down. I have 2019 red version and this looks exactly like mine from my prespective. And for those stainless steel handle, I will most likely need to buy new in future anyway. No need to buy whole machine. Also, in last year (maybe 1,5 year) as I own mine, machine works fine and taking all my messing arround as i tend to buy new coffe's all the time lol.
Nothing that makes me jealous of my '19 model :)
I have a 2011 model that I had stripped down & completely rebuilt with new parts for £250, & I then added the pro milk wand for another £40
Result = New machine for less than £300👌
Where I live, the Evo costs around $600 a Profitec go $900 and if you are going to tinker with it and upgrade it with Pid, pressure gauge and more, then you have spent as much as a Profitec go costs, feels pointless if you didn't do it just for the tinkering
Gaggia, are u fucking serious? You release a new version of the most modded machine in the market and you don't include all the parts that people are modding? Not even the PID? Like.... DUDE!!!! WTF?
Bethesda releasing vanilla skyrim for the 193374th time
Aluminum boiler? No thanks. Older Gaggia classic had brass boiler. Then the 2019 model replaced it with cheapo aluminum and now this crappy coating for a higher price. So they poisoned you with crappy materials. And now you are charged extra for hypothetically not being poisoned again. Amazing!
Lelit PL41 is a much better choice at that price range. Brass boiler and brass group
Old Gaggia never had a brass boiler, I bloody wish they did!
I have a 2006 version and have galvanic corosian from where it attached to the chrome brass group head
@@CH-yp5by I thought that when Gaggia belonged to Saeco, the earlier Gaggia classic models had brass boiler
Then in 2009 when Philips bought Gaggia, the first thing they did was to fuck up the Gaggia classic. They replaced all quality parts with cheapo aluminum and plastic. And they increased the price.
I know this shit because 10 years ago , I was looking to buy an espresso machine. And I read all those reviews. And I payed 100€ more and went with Lelit pl41tem Pid instead.
An amazing buy. Brass boiler and brass group. Still works like a charm. No corrosions no problems at all.
Where is the chrome pressure gauge?
I wish they would added a light to see the water level in the tank.
So, the water still interacts with the coffee grinds in the same way as all other models ☕😉
doesn't the evo come with the 9 pressure bars upgrade that people were doing in mass to the old Classic?
Only in north america
@@garethtcollins really? so the Non America version has less upgrade?
I have a black gaggia evo but the taste is not pleasant I don't know what depends maybe the boiler ??
If the taste isn't pleasant it'll either be the coffee, or (more than likely) just a very simple dialling in issue.
2023 still no pid.... 2043 still no pid but some extra colors are available plus some stainless steel screws added. Come on! Oh you may want to say, you can mod my friend! Yep, at the cost of a ready to use single boiler comercial built machine!
i did a gagguino conversion which cost a little over 120 EUR to do (so a bit more than the price of a PID). of course doing that is not going to be for everybody, but i've now got a little machine with a PID, built in scales, pre-infusion with pressure control, flow profiling and pressure profiling. basically a smaller and way cheaper Decent DE1.
Stop press the best name what fits pefick is Morning Mist with or without the grey in the name … will get one , one day I’m not impressed with my duralit pressurised thingy I’m happy with your advice and discount code on my sage grinder I only put the actual amount in per grind
OPV spring was updated and this now brews at 9 bars. Not sure how this was missed.
yes the OPV! mucho interested in that change and if its easy to adjust down further
Gaggia's website says it brews at 15 bar still. Where did you see 9 bar from?
@@molethan6138 it says it has a 15bar pump. Which it does, even if you change the OPV spring.
Lots of other outlets reported (and measured on video) the brewing pressure to be 9 bar, but it could be exclusive to US models.
The pressure is directly related to the flow, the flow is related to the puck density, so the whole pressure thing is highly blown out of proportion by a lot of elitism.
The mesured brewing pressure of a completely stock Classic model was always around 11-12 bars with a normal flow rate.
A lot of this is again, elitism, personal preference, placebo effect and at the end of the day, ignorance about the whole process.
while I do not disagree about lowering to 9 bar as max pressure after which water gets dumped back into the tank, 99.9% of people pushing for this mod would prob fail a blind taste test with a slightly finer grind but stock OPV anyway.
i saw 9 bars repeated multiple places too (i am in the US as well)
9 bar is only on North American evo
Earl grey coffee don’t like the sounds of that ,,,,,, will try and think don’t. Think battle ship grey fits either
I don't understand the aluminium boiler.
A former version of the Gaggia Classic had a stainless steel boiler unfortunately they returned to the aluminium one.
No brand of espresso machines is using aluminium boilers.
Even Delonghi is using a stainless steel boiler for their cheaper espresso machines.
I'm colaborating with my like for Coffee Kkkkkkkkkkev
Is the new EVO set at 9 bar or lower than the old version ?
In the UK its the same (13/14 bar), in North America it's 9 bar, at least the machines from whole latte love. Cheers, Kev.
Do you know what’s the case for the rest of Europe?
I was expecting 1) higher clearance under brew group 2) PID control brew temp 3) brew pressure gauge w/ easy adjustment 4) larger dip tray..... Otherwise meh, not interested at all.
I haven’t seen an out of the box video on the dual temp pro, such as parts and its uses,
No operating instructions, why?
Hi, Here is the link to my videos on the Duo Temp Pro:czcams.com/video/JQMAyCCmZNE/video.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Ta
Kev
for me is EVO = 9bar and pid control
Anyone know how to spell the new coating
Hi Ben,
Have a look in my post, it has all the details that you need in there:
coffeeblog.co.uk/gaggia-classic-2019-review/
Cheers
Kev
Dont understand if they already substitute multiple parts to stainless - why boiler (main food hazard part) still aluminum. It is worst material for food and special with hot environment. In mass production brass or stainless substitution will not change cost that much, but it would be a real upgrade. Because no matter how nice stainless parts outside look - your water and espresso taste will depend on boiler were it heats up, stored and observed taste of aluminum or aluminum coating. Yam!
9 bare spring only applies to USA and it is the USA retailer Whole Latte Love that supplies the machine with the spring not Gaggia, OMG!!!
I just bought the Evo pro for $400 USD in the U.S, there really was no other option as good in the price range maybe besides the $130 more flair manual machine while the bambino (I’ve heard) has worse shot quality.
How is the steam pressure. Heard it was not to good.
You forgot got to mention the most important feature of the new model. The pressure is set to 9 bars
Eh, that’s a few $ spring and 5 min. Change in materials is much more significant. I guess the materials won’t change taste tho.. I just went from 9 to 6.5 and while the first shot tasted noticeably better imo.. more extracted. But I’m using a bottomless filter as well of course.
@@damonm3As someone who made this mod myself I am very glad to know I won’t have to void my warranty on my net unit to have this
Only in north america
They DID update the springs for OPV 9 bar.
Only in north america
Not in the UK, unfortunately
Gaggia definitely missed the opportunity to make some great updates, instead it's basically the same..
My list of dream changes:
1. Add an extra 3cm reservoir underneath to house a decent drip tray that spans the full footprint of the machine
2. Include a clear plastic container that slides into the underneath reservoir to catch drips
3. Do away with the existing drip tray and vent tube and replace it with a single plastic part that a) has an integrated tube to catch the vented liquid and b) covers all sides (back, left, right, bottom) to prevent drips from escaping the drip tray
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Ta :-)
Can you remove the water tray? I want to buy a proper expresso machine but I need a machine that I could fit a 32 oz thermos flask under the brew head for winter snow removal work. I don't care about fancy espresso art as I just want nice tasting liquid heat. It's an amazing sensation to have that heat creep down your back when there's a -20 bellow wind chill @ 3:00 AM while you're out shoaling & salting the sidewalks .
I could transfer liquids but I prefer not to do so after I screwed around with the act of transferring liquids with a mini blender for protein shakes, I eventually grew a spine and bought myself a vitamix blender which I wish I did earlier because a single pitcher is able to blend 2 shaker bottles worth of fluid, and thanks to the power of the blender I don't even have to mess around with dish soap, I just use hot water and the blender turned up to max-speed is enough to clean out the blending pitcher.
Could definitely use a bigger boiler. Steaming milk is pathetic
"What Did They Change"
Not enough. I turned my 1995 "Gaggia Espresso" into a "Gaggioino." I bought the parts to turn the "Espresso" into (basically) a Classic Pro. I was hoping I could find the new boiler and head, but they were available yet for sale. So I bought a new boiler (mine was pretty well used) a grouphead for the Classic Pro, the solenoid and pressure release tubes. I now have a Classic Pro inside the Espreeso body. If Gaggia wants to lure me into buying a new machine they need to come out with something better than I can build by using one of their old machines. 🙂
Gaggia needs to up their game. This is what they're going to be competing with from DIY'ers and others...
czcams.com/video/d_aGi2L2fbs/video.html
Ooh you did the Gagguino mod? How are you finding it?.
Re Gaggia needing to up their game, I understand what you're saying, and I wish they'd at least put a 9 bar spring in the new one (as has happened in North America only, I think something to do with Whole Latte Love).
Cheers
Kev
@@Coffee_Kev I love it. I don't have to stand there and watch over the brewing process anymore. If I need to do something real quick, I don't need to worry it will overflow my cup. Everything is totally automated. 🙂
It does far more than what I need. The next version won't be using a Nextion display. So if you're even THINKING about doing it, I'd wait until it comes out.
So basically no difference in 30+ years since this model was released. At least they got rid of the panarello steam wand. In 30 years they'll add a PID, or a pressure gauge, or a larger non-aluminum boiler, or pre-infusion. I'm amazed that people still buy the GCP and not a far superior but similarly priced machine like the Lelit Grace (which has all of these features and morel). And don't start with the silly 57mm vs 58mm argument. It's negligible compared to the other differences.
For the the Lelit Grace's cost, i can buy two GCP evo. So it's not similar priced, It's double the price.
The group WAS solid bras, but they skimped on the plating. Also, anodisation costs more and is a very hard coating, so this marketing BS, that is more resilient to scale buildup is just marketing to justify the lower production cost. If you can, get the 2019 version. Trust me.
You mean you'd prefer plating on the group? I must admit, I never saw the plating as an issue. I do much prefer the solid stainless portafilter though. Re the boiler coating, I think time will tell. Personally, I'd probably go for the 2019 version while it's still available - due to the price difference, and I'm a cheapskate 😆.
@@Coffee_Kev solid portafilter is a plus, but most get bottomless anyway
Didn't they update the pressure to 9 bars? That was the main change for me!
Higher price due to covidflation.. don't kid yourselves... a few trillion new currency moving about causes prices to rise eventually..
Nothing significant. Still need to void the warranty by opening it up and change the opv spring. 👎🏼 For me
No, they are changed from factory now. This review fails the mention this key piece of data.
@@nsjohn130 only for to US. In Europe we are f*cked as usual.
because that change is only in the US @@nsjohn130
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Still OPV isn't set to 9 bar? Still no PID? Still no glass clearance?
Stupid outdated machine im amazed anyone buys that
OPV is at 9 bar. He didn't mention it though
@@MaxDamage182how do you know for sure? No one seems to be mentioning this in Europe, only the US. It’s possible only the US version has 9 bar OPV (or possibly only the Whole Latte Love version, as they often negotiate machine modifications).
It turns out it is indeed an exclusive change to North American model only
OPV is at 9 bar in North America, I believe it's something Whole Latte Love insisted on. Unfortunately as far as I'm concerned, the EU models are all as they were previously where the OPV spring is concerned.
In other WORDS they've gone WOKE and stopped some of the additional craftsmanship. STICK TO THE 2019. THIS IS A MARKETING SCAM with less quality
The inside of the boilers in the 2019 version are absolutely terrible. Large particles of metal come away from the inside. Obviously terrible for your health and also blocks the group head. Very common. The reason they've changed it is because they have seen how bad it is
@@MaxDamage182 Why has it then been the hottest selling pro-consumer 58mm expresso machine for all these years if it's so terrible. Mine is FANTASTIC. A BEAST. A TANK. I make espresso 6 times a day. Every day.
@@MacheteMambi It's a good machine but the pre 2019 one is better quality. Bigger/better solenoid and better quality boiler. There's absolutely no debate that the boiler on the 2019 is terrible. Chunks of metal come off it and it blocks up with metal. Why do you think that's basically the only significant change they have made?? Coincidence ? No. I have repaired so many of these machines and I also see multiple a day coming back for repairs and it's always the same problem. The boiler falling apart internally. I wouldn't drink from one. I use the pre 2019 one and I have just upgraded the steam arm.
@@MaxDamage182 sounds like maybe the new one is on par with pre-2019 in that respect then. might be worth a go?
@@lurklingX It does lol. I think the boiler will be a little better. I have seen older ones with corrosion in the boiler but it's a lot less
Pid is so overrated! Gaggia is the best the way it is