RED V-RAPTOR vs KOMODO - Dynamic Range, Autofocus, Low Light Tests
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- Part 1 - In this video I compare colors, dynamic range, low light, autofocus, and if it's worth it for me to upgrade?
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Chapters:
Intro 00:00
Startup / Blackshade time 1:57
Camera Setup 3:07
Lighting Setup 3:53
Colors & Skin Tones 4:47
Dynamic Range 8:31
Low Light 10:40
Autofocus 13:45
Final Thoughts 18:09
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#redkomodo #redvraptor #cameratest
What are your final thoughts on the new V-Raptor?? Let’s chat in the comments!
you FORGOT to do 6 stops overexposure? that is unforgivable. Fail. Redo
@@leebrandt8597 cuff me, guilty as charged
Great review, brother! Such a good look at the practical differences between these two. Can’t wait for part 2!
Thank you for allowing me to use your raptor and studio! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
What a great review! Thank you so much. Such a lovely genuine tone, clear expertise and funny too. If only all content was like this. Truly perfect and I couldn’t agree more with the analysis and conclusion. Delivered with real genuine charm and integrity. This feels a exceptionally trustworthy and intelligent perspective and showed all the insight one would hope for from an experienced user. Thanks. Looking forward to more content for sure.
wow thanks so much for the comment, really means a lot Ken! Love to hear that and thanks so much for tuning in. Appreciate you! :)
Hi Kevin. Thank you for doing these comparison tests. I think the image on the Komodo actually looked better to me and the auto tracking focus tracked slightly better on the Komodo. I like the saturated colors on the komodo. The Raptor looked slightly sharper being an 8K camera, but I liked the Komodo image more.
Thanks for your review and the time you put in.
Komodos color and motion is insane! Love that camera and so I recently ditched my Helium for it!
Now I enjoy Komodo exclusively and didn’t got disappointed one single time. Even clients that never said something about the image on set, say that the image has something special to it.
I’m still waiting for the VRaptor S35 to come out to get more Frames for Product Videos. Until that happens I‘m happy with only using Komodo for my projects!
Oh and no hate for VV, totally love it for stills. Its just for Film I completely adore the look of s35. Don’t know maybe because I’m used to it after 20 years of work.
Great video - thanks for doing the work. Both cameras look great.
Nice one Kevin, I enjoyed this. The RAPTOR really is a divine camera with that big sensor and frame rate options.
Thank you for this! Been anticipating this showdown for awhile.
Hope you enjoyed! 🙏🏽
In such low-light scenarios it would make sense do drop the ISO to somewhere around 400, sometime even 250, when shooting with RED cameras. This will shift the bigger portion of the dynamic range below middle gray, which will help to avoid noise in shadows. Since you don't have so much highlights in low-light situations, it often makes sense to use that setting. Anyway, great comparison video man!
Nicely done. 5:50 the V-Raptor is basically a full frame Komodo.
I'll smile next time
😁😁😁
this is just hilarious 🤣🤣
Very nicely done. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Of course, thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed :)
Great video dude! keep making stuff man :)
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So on the continuous AF, if you were to shoot native RF, youll see a dramatic difference in response time with focus. Youre using an RF>EF adapter, which reduces the 12 pin connection down to an 8 pin. The RF 12 pin was developed to enhance the AF capabilities for Canon. I just purchased a Raptor, and while I plan on using a variety of lenses, I specifically need fast continuous AF for solo gimbal work. I have tested Canon RF, L series lenses with the Raptor, and the AF is just as fast as any Canon C series AF system. So, right now I'm shopping around for RF lenses, the price tag for Canon L series is steep, and it has me looking for pancake primes, and third party, however third party might not have the same capabilities of native Canon RF lenses. Either way, great review, would be cool to hear your feedback on trying the AF with RF lenses.
the beta only allows ef lenses, they'll add rf support soon
@@AxTechs But I've already used RF lenses on the Raptor, the continuous AF works just fine.
@@RobinetProductions I only know about the Komodo - last time I used it RF lenses didn't have af, only ef
thank you Jonn
Great points and great video man!
Thanks for the review, Kevin! It looks like the V-Raptor'simage is more opened. Could the difference be contrast..which brings more saturation?
So happy with my Komodo! we needed a video like this Kevin! Thank You!!
So glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching 🙏🏽
I’m stoked for this video!
Glad to here it, thanks for watching
Cool video, Kevin. Nice to see these side by side.
Thanks Brandon, thanks for tuning in and hope it helped!
Just found you channel! Nice stuff! I love the idea of the raptor & how versatile it is especially with the frame rate options! One day😂
Cool Video really love the Looks out of both Red cameras
Thank you! Definitely both great looks
Just received my V-Raptor yesterday. I notice changing from 8k to 4K the camera sensor crops the image. Is there a way around this, otherwise wide angle lenses aren’t true at 4k. Someone said shooting ProRes would overcome this in 4K mode.
Agreed with you on your final thoughts! Awesome video Kev!
Thanks bro! Should we buy one anyways?!
@@KevinReyesDP howd you do that little crop animation at 5:38?
@@wcsdiaries I used key frames for position and opacity
When shooting the darker stuff. What did your traffic lights look like? Thanks!
Hola Kevin, podrías dejar un link con el Footage. Sería espectacular!
Does it compatible with standard V Mount batteries?
v raptor WiFi antenna is (RP-SMA or SMA)?
have pin or no pin?
For me it's the 600 fps in 2k. That's such a value ad for so much of the work I do that buying it is 100% worth.
Heck yeah, I cant wait to test our the frame rates in part 2
Surprised I didn't see any vignetting on the larger sensor. The lenses must be for full frame?
Very cool. Slight miss focus on the 6k vraptor test or diffraction creeping in. F11 is the upper clean average of most lenses but I understand this was not the scope of your tests. I would say it’s more of a miss focus because diffraction would just less sharp more fuzzy which this is more nuanced across the frame. Also green issues are simple to cure in the colourist stage in either direction as well as the saturation and contrast slight variations. It’s taste in the end but it is very simple to match the slight less saturated frame by bumping down saturation verryyyy slightly and these would look identical. A focal reducer on the Komodo would also bring the two cameras fov closer together as the two lenses used would be then uncropped.
Can you compare the Komodo with Canon C70? Awesome comparison, sadly price difference is terrible. V-Raptor should be more affordable.
I'm wondering on the raptor crop to komodo did you use 17:9 or 16:9? Was it the 17:9 giving it a wider FOV?
Hey Nick, I shot the largest possible on each which was 17:9.
Thanks for a REAL look
thoughts on the Komodo-x?
Damn that vista vision is W I D E
I know man! So much frame!
Compared to the Arri Alexa Mini LF???
Cool video. I have a Komodo and a DSMC2 Dragon-X. The V-Raptor looks awesome but I won't be buying one, and not because it's over priced. I believe the V-Raptor is quite attractively priced for it's capability and feature set....BUT, the Komodo is way, WAY underpriced for it's capability. Really, Komodo should've been around $10K and I think RED is realizing that now. For that reason if anything I'd buy another Komodo. I've found the Komodo and Dragon-X to cut beautifully together in the IPP2 workflow, and it's nice having the Dragon if I need higher framerate. I haven't seen if there is a part 2 to your video, but in case you have yet to shoot it may I suggest using the Canon speedbooster on Komodo? The field of view between Komodo and V-Raptor will be really close then. Cheers!
ZCAM disagrees:-).
Who starts a one bar count in on 4?
Probably gonna keep my 25k after watching this video. Already got a komodo and ❤️ it
😂 omg for real
I got an R3 but gawd damn i want a komodo
LETS GOOOOOOOO
Hope to shoot on one of these cameras someday!
They are definitely awesome cameras, I hope so too!
How did you solve the problem of the vertical line of the sensor?
Didn’t encounter issue during these tests
Why is the image so much less sharp on the 6K S35 crop on the V-raptor than it is at 6K S35 native on the Komodo? The difference is quite noticeable, is there something I'm missing?
It looks like it was throughout the whole frame so perhaps a miss-focus with the vraptor.
Nice Review!
Autofocus.... HA!
Love my Raptor but even comparing autofocus to an old Canon 5D IV this is archaic. Wish the Raptor tracked like my R5. Manual FF is still the only way to go with RED. I had a nice electronic FF but it's only compatible with DSCM2! :(
Would of been interesting to see the rf-ef speedbooster on the komodo vs the raptor.
Totally agree! Hopefully get to it by part 2 🙏🏽
Agreed! That’s what I use on my Komodo and love it!
Wait, are all the DR tests between both cameras in 6k? So you're comparing raptor cropped to komodo uncropped? Just wondering since it seemed like you used the same focal length in each of the tests but the fov/dof seem to match on the DR tests so you'd have had to crop or change focal length/aperture on raptor to match.
It's definitely a bit hard to compare the two when they are consistently not matched for framing and position since the magnified segments show different size and different detail.
Also the "low light" test seems more like a "low key" test? Usually a scene that can be appropriately captured at iso800 isn't considered "low light". It would have been particularly interesting to see how they compare at iso3200 or even 6400.
Hey Noah, for DR, both cameras are set to their highest resolutions. The raptor is cropped in post to similar framing to Komodo for comparison purposes.
I’ve provided similar crops to raptor on all tests, since we’re downscaling and viewing the 4k output, the non scaled images from the rap shouldn’t be too different from its cropped.
For low light, my intentions were to see what the cameras native response was to low lit scenes, I can provide you with original RAW files if you’d like to mess with ISO, let me know where to send!
Again, these aren’t meant to be perfect scientifically sound tests, they are ultimately a way for me to see what the general performance of a camera looks like, not to have perfectly sound tests. To me, the tests conducted in this video are sufficient for me, as a DP to understand the camera in the most common ways that I use the it.
Thanks for watching 🙏🏽
I'm sorry but you get a lot more for your money with the Komodo even though it can't do 8K or 8K 120 fps, the continuous autofocus comparison at 15:00 is another reason why I'd go for the Komodo x
Hello Kevin! I’m been your fan for a year ! I have seen you use the bmpcc before, so what you think between bmpcc 6 k pro vs red kodomo 6k pro ? I want to upgrade my production to the next level,I shooting film,music mv,commercial
Thanks of much for the kind words! Appreciate you following along. I own and use both a lot. I think the P6k more fully featured offering ND, better frame rates, great image, dual ISO, great menus etc. It's probably the camera I can recommend most. The Komodo is good, but has a lot of quirks, its a slower camera to use in general, not best at slow motion, but the image is one of the best I've worked with. Thats not saying much as most cameras are producing really great images these days. But for most people, I have to recommend the pocket 6k pro
@@KevinReyesDP thank you so much bro! So I will go with bmpcc 6k pro and get some zeiss cp3
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
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nah, you smiled at least...you didnt look like you've been" killing stuff since the 5th grade" 🤣 great test thanks!
LOL facts
Is it me or does the Raptor look softer than the Komodo in those first two shots?
That raptor 🥰
this af test...i put now all the lights on in my house..full power..cant forget this face 🤣
“Darker Filipino skin tones” loll
Not sure if anybody mentioned it, I didn’t read the comments but the comparisons you did with the images regarding the Super 35 vs Full Frame, the Komodo would’ve looked the same as Raptor had a super 35 lens been used. It’s the 1.6x crop factor that makes it look like that. So technically that 35mm was really a 58mm on the Komodo whereas the 35mm was true to its focal length on the Raptor. Fantastic comparison either way! Just found your channel and am already binge watching! Just making an observation. 🏁🏁🏁
I love my Komodo. Thanks for this nice comparison
No prob! Thanks so much for tuning in
The AF is a bummer considering the price range.
men, how could you forget the most important test - 6 stops under, this is how people usually shoot , right?
thanks for the test!
you don't shoot 6 stops underexposed however, part of the scene will be -6,-5 etc... stops under/overexposed (obviously if everything is exposed identically, the scene would look flat. So it is an important test to check latitude.
Interesting to see how much sharper the Komodo is at 6k compared to the 6k from the Raptor. Is that possibly a slight miss on focus, or is the Komodo that much sharper in 6k?
I noticed that as well, small chance we could’ve missed focus but I’m not so sure, it was stopped up to like f16 or something to get things dark so I can’t imagine it was easy to miss focus but anything’s possible I guess. Worth another test to be honest
@@KevinReyesDP how fixable is the green tint from underexposure with the komodo in post? Can a simple white balance/curve adjustment fix it or does it require deep color correction?
@@wcsdiaries didn’t try to fix it, but that would’ve been nice to see. I’d imagine you can get it close but will lose some quality and detail.
@@KevinReyesDP f16 invites softness due to diffraction and is definitely not the sweet spot of the lens. 5.6-8 would make more sense.
Noticed this before on the 6k mode, seems to be much softer.
The Raptor looks more red in the skin tones to my eye..
My drunk ass trying to find the low light noise 🤣
At 12:50 the Komodo is sharper than the Raptor in s35 mode. Am I the only one seeing this? Does that mean that the Raptor S35 mode isn't as good as OGK, cause it sure looks that way.
I believe that total pixel count on Komodo full sensor is higher than the raptor in s35 crop, which when downsampled makes Komodo look sharper.
Would have to compare the pixel counts. Also, possible that raptor was slightly out of focus
Its just a known fact komodos are not good for low light and I own one. Gemini 5k if you wanted to spend more for better low light. Im also looking for a DP to assist me with a music video in Southern California so please anyone thats interested supply me with your website.
V-Raptor has way more information in the shadows
I agree, that sensor holds up very well.
Terrified of Anthony. Swing your damn arms, bro!
🤣🤣🤣
Hmm Raptor image quality definitely not superior to Monstro in my eyes.
Kept waiting for the review of the gold dodecahedron under the lamp in the office. Totally disappointed.
😂😂 I’m on it
@@KevinReyesDP Thanks for showing significant difference in sensor coverage between both cameras. More validation for my investment in PL mount lenses. - Also, zooming in for comparisons to match subject size in frame for color comparisons is much appreciated. - One person joked (concerning filmmakers sometimes over obsession with camera image quality) that if a regular person off of the street notices moiré on a screen door instead of being curious about that a movie character is going to do next, that filmmaker needs to be more concerned about their screenwriting skills than their camera. That stuck with me. (Also viewers keep mentioning moiré in my films for some reason.) - However, for commercial work, I agree that camera quality matters. Fashion designers don’t want colors in their textiles being misrepresented, especially when they’re using those videos for paid advertising. Great camera review. 👍
they're both very slow to turn on
Skin tone is much more red with Komodo.
Чё их сравнивать одна по сути крЭшь трЭшь камера на другую можно снимать не торопясь всё по режисёрскому плану и раскодровке ... )))
1:52, that is considered incest sir!
Raptor's autofocus is the worst.actually it is pretty bad.
also why not compare global shutter (komodo) and rolling shutter (raptor)
There’s a lot more I wanted to test only had a limited time with the raptor
@@KevinReyesDP please could you compare shutters...
Is the speed of rolling raptor's shutter is enough? Or it was a mistake not to use global shutter in raptor after the succes of komodo as one of the reasons to buy komodo was (and is) a global shutter
Using various led lights to judge color and skin tone fidelity is rather unscientific...
It’s a comparison between two cameras using the same lighting, not judging a single cameras color fidelity. I think you’ll be alright 🥸
@@KevinReyesDP fair enough then. Thanks
Why do some DPs look like homeless people?
Lol that’s the best compliment I’ve ever got 🙏🏽