Tech Talk: Michelin Cup2 R.. The fastest road legal tire?!
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- I had a sit down with Tim this morning to go over our reaction to the fastest and one of the most discussed tires around the Nürburgring. The Michelin Cup 2 R.... This is a very quick tire that will help many track day enthusiasts. However if you‘re a really quick driver it may just not be the tire for you.
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Killing it Robert. These tech talks are what we want to see more of. Excellent content. Keep it up, and stay well.
Glad you’ve enjoyed it!
It’s cack
From the background noise, it sounds like the birds and the town of Nürburg has woken up and are on their way down the street to a new season of exciting laps :)
yep, all the track birds coming to life!
@@RobertMitchell And for those of you who'd recognize a GT2 RS by sound but do slightly worse on birds: it's goldfinch ;-)
Cool, technical stuff again! One of my favorite car channels. So glad Robert made his own channel!
Best channel to date and hopefully in the future...awesome content....
I really love what you are doing with these videos here, @Robert Mitchell 👍🏻 Looking forward to see what’s next!
Good Afternoon Robert.
Much Thanks for Sharing Your Knowledge and Experience With The Tires and Their Times.
Wishing Both You, All at Home and Office.
Good Health.
Greetings from The Caribbean.
Evening Robert and Tim thank you the informative cup 2r tyre review
If only the circumstances were different at this point of my life, I would really enjoy working one season for you Robert. I feel like you're one of those people I could absorb knowledge from like a sponge. Great video once again
Great video! There are not many reviews done by people who have real knowledge and use them so regularly. Aside from Tire Reviews. Would love to see more of this and also comparisons so as to have perspective.
Excellent content, loving the videos. And also, perfect background
Very insightful!
I am personally a fan of Michelin tyres! First time I put a set on my car they where back then Michelin Pilot sport 2's ever since then I have had Pilot sport 3's and the Pilot super sport, They where my road tyres, when I did a track day at my local circuit with semi slicks either R888 or Kumho V70A if it rained I went in and put the Michelins back on and they would handle wet and mild standing water very very well! Not tried the new ones nor the cup 2 R you have there but I can imagine they are very good! Great topic!
Fascinating, Spoken like a true Motorsport Team Principal with that level of understanding of the mechanics of the car and the tyres. Are you still running the Nankang's on the hire fleet? I was looking into them for purchase and they seem to be cheaper than my current choice Uniroyal Rainsports, which are awesome!
Very interesting tech explanation.
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So Much Performance And Technology In 1 Tire 💯💯💯💪🏽🙏🏽👑
Superb video and information
Cool video, thanks👌👍🙏
I really this kind of video guys. Well done.
Thx BD!
Good lawd that thing is friggin massive!
A while ago, I heard of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 equipped with Michelin Track Connect and that was a very useful tool to avoid wrong tyre pressures and overheating.
I agree. This is something i want to look more into as well
@@RobertMitchell Glad to hear that. I think it would be very handy for you.
@@RobertMitchell please keep us updated if you try them with also some tips about tire pressure and temps on the ring
As always amazing videos
Would be really interesting with a similar video on the AR-1!
I think we will be doing one comparing many tires
@@RobertMitchell Maybe solicit the guy behind Tyre Reviews. He recently did a Trofeo R, Cup 2, and Goodyear RS comparison. czcams.com/video/n2oe9oTU7Aw/video.html
I was thinking the same
Amazing. I run pilotsport cup 2’s on my focus rs. It is insanely sticky, yes it wares like crazy but you can turn in with such confidence.
great, but that's not this tire.
Cool video 👍🏻
More of these please! And subtitles for Tim 😜
Hehe Tim and Luis on the subtitles
@@RobertMitchell 🤣
Very interesting
That’s one of the most beautiful wheels I’ve ever seen wow
and here I am thinking they are incredibly ugly. To each their own
@@HAHA.GoodMeme You're not alone. They look stupid with that frisbee attached.
@@StoicaVladIoan That is called a turbofan, it uses the venturi effect from air passing over it to suck air out of the wheel well improving brake cooling and reducing lift, they make the car measurably faster.
Hallo Robert nice talk
Nice video
Do you ever throw tire warmers on
Wow you can really see how good the suspension is based upon that tread tear...very even wave pattern
Good video
Good comment
Camerawork: on. point!
What is the difference between this tire and let say ar1 .
Asking because I run ar1 and in my tire choice I don’t have them available.
Thanks anyway and good videos 👍
Any idea how this compares to the Nakang AR1 you are running on the Pista? Asking as I am very familiar with the regular Cup 2 tires on my 2018 GT3 but looking for something for my 488GTB. Thanks!
Hey Robert, can the AR1 TD80 be compared to the cup2 R or is it a completely different ball game? Wonder the differences as chances of trying these out are very remote in my case.
Thats a Nice video how about you nankang tires that you use
What are your opinion about Continental tyres?? ContiSport contact series?? Never hear you about it, but i hear also a lot of people like them as a fast road tyre/sports tyre/ (low/mid level track tyre??)
Great information, but it seems the video is very cloudy. Maybe the lens is dirty?
Are Goodyear Eagle Supercar 3R avail in Europe? They are rumoured to be just as good as the cup2r. And just a tiny bit slower than Hoosier R7.
Robert, looking to do a few HPDE events on my Civic Type R. I have around 50 track days, but haven't been on the track for a few years. Not looking for the fastest tire, but something with great durability and consistent grip. What would you recommend? I am new to the Type R as well, so want to learn the limits slowly. Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch.
I would be curious if you could get a Michelin Cup2 in the sizes you need. That tire would fit the bill you mention quite nicely
It look like the 2022 Corvette Z06 is going have CUP2 R tires.
interesting tyre. its made for one lap shootouts to get a super fast time. Whats your opinion on getting a set of slicks for track days? I heard they provide more grip and longevity than the best road legal tyres.
Slicks are only for racing cars.. they are SO grippy and will ruin a normal car without roll cage that's only spot welded.. car wil simply start cracking, driveshaft will brake etc...
is it faster than Nitto's and Toyo's DOT approved offerings like R888?
What about the Goodyear Supercar 3R?
Sticks like glue when heat is in it.
I thought I'd have no interest in this video.
Thanks Robert and Tim for the education.
Glad you ended up enjoying!!!!
How does it compare to a Trofeo R assuming they were put to the same pace of speed?
I should be studying for my final exam, but I prefer watching this video
270km and there are done? Lol! Last michelin tires i had for 100.000 km. What a difference!
They aren't made for daily driving 😂
Could you please share the tyre pressure for this MPS R. What is the best pressure (in bar), where it works the best. And with what pressure you normally start with?
Thanks.
good question! you need to be very careful with them and leave no lower than 2.0 front and 2.4 rear then heat them up, drop pressures, heat further, drop again and run the ideal warm is about 2.05 front and 2.4 rear as we have seen!
Thanx. Really appreciate your comments 👍🏻
I destroyed last summer one set with too high pressures. Or maybe they would have lasted longer, if I would have concentrated more on the pressures. But the grip was unbelievable, I was only 1.3 sek/km slower in my 991.1 GT3 RS than my 997.2 Cup car, in the same track.
Food Shot: Cup 2R Donut, 10/10.
How many laps would be possible on normal taxi driving days with a normal Michelin Cup 2 Tire on the GT2 RS?! Best Regards 👋🏻
About 80-100 laps is what we can get out of them!
What wheel is that?
I think the image from the fixed camera is a little blurry or low contrast. Maybe there's something with the lenses… I noticed the same thing in the previous vlog, inside the room.
maybe you smudged your screen?! hehe
thank you for the feedback, we spend a good bit of time grading the color to how we like it. Mabey we will sharpen it up a bit for the next one :)
@@RobertMitchell the moving images presenting the tire are better and high contrast. Hope it will help, keep doing the great job, guys!
Have you guys checked out the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport RS? They're supposed to be on par with the Cup 2 R, if not better.
yes, they are a decent tire but most certainly not as fast as the Cup R
I think they are competing with regular cup 2
agree, i would put them as a bit faster than cup 2 but under 2R
Did you actually benchmark the Goodyear RS against the Cup 2R? It seems you have a relationship with Michelin via MR...
On the outside it is black and round, on the inside a lot of technology is going on!
my favourite tyyre is assetto corsa
Would these be recommended over the Dunlop direzza
Direzza even makes those sizes?
Dz03g is highly reated tire, shame they don't make them in my favorite size :(
100%
Creepy I was watching the 6.40 gt2 lap earlier and wondering what tyres it had on now I know
there's just something beautiful about a properly thicc sidewall. It oozes pure purpose instead of being a ricer car.
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Nice shoes Robert
Thank you!!!
The difference between a Cup2 and a Cup2R is easily 10s difference for the ring. But of course when manufacturers are trying to say "I have the best nurburgring time" they aren't going to mention that by doing that 1 lap on that 1 set of tires, the car is already cooked. Now let's slow it down for the more normal track day driver. If the car can go slightly faster, but at the expense of having to change tires after 20-30 minutes of tracking, is that really a good thing? I'd be much more happy to run all day on normal cup 2 tires, because the biggest room for improvement isn't the tire, it's the person behind the wheel. However, I did hear about some people driving the GT2RS switching on Trofeo Rs. Trofeo's definitely have more grip than cup2's, but seem to be more durable than cup2Rs.
Tire is no doubt a huge factor!
Hi Robert, what’s your tyre experience on 991.2 GT3 RS?
i would look at the 3RS nearly as identical to the 2RS rear tire life on the 3 however is a bit better as there is less power! The cup 2 is an great tire for the car. many get on well with the trofeo R as well but that is just a personal feeling.
I always ran the Cup2 on mine.
Thanks Robert!
Do you ran Cup2 or Cup2R on your GT3 RS? What you think how much laps you can go with Cup2 and CupR on GT3 RS
Porsche Taycan TurboS with that wheel and tire package would be amazing.
Haha ! Bet it would kill em quick though
Interesting & informative, however all I can hear in my head is............................. EXPENSIVE :):):)
Money money money!
Its less then 700euros per tire, usually you always get discounts on wheels (around 30% but not sure if this applies on track wheels since I never bought them).
Man i got those tires for hitting corners in freeway 😂😭
As a 30 year audio guy I highly suggest a Sennheiser shotgun mic for these type of videos. Audio would be so much better.
That tire is so wide. Its like a table!
Please tell me you filmed that 6:40 lap??
all of our laps in all of the taxis are are filmed! no exceptions :)
@@RobertMitchell please post this lap 💥💯😎
I more of the guy in the category up to 7:45 BTG but the Cup R is not available in my Nissan GTR Sizes, so I tried the Trofeo R at one point to see what it can do compared to Cup 2. Can you switch the CUP 2 with the R without touching the alignment of the GT2 RS. I noticed that when I have ideal tire wear with the CUP 2 and switch to the Trofeo R, I would need to add at least 1° of negative camber to achieve the same type of tire wear? For my personal conclusion, I can say I feel the positive difference between the 2 tires but for what I am using the tire for it does not make sens to pay the 50% premium price to shave of some of the additional seconds around the track. As I suspect this beening similar to the differecne Cup 2 R and classical Cup 2 I will stick to the Cup2 which is the best compromise for me, it seems to last "for ever" and it provides constant performance at a very decent level.
I think for you it’s between the cup2 and the trofeo. Often you need more camber w the trofeo as the sidewalls are softer and in hard corners it rolls over. They both are very reliable tires and I would stick with the one that gives you the best feedback. Often it’s car dependent in terms of weight, power etc.
I will say that there have been cars where the cup2 doesn’t work for me such as the xx31 but the trofeo does. I’ve not had a car that the trofeo doesn’t work well for me.
@@RobertMitchell I've wondered whether the Cup2 R surpassed the dry grip level of the TrofeoR. Could the SVJ have gone even faster with the Cup2 R at the Nurb?
What pressure do you run on the cup 2? I seem to get a lot of side to side movement on mine
Trofeo R, is a little bit more grippy. But, like Robert said... depends on the car.
6.38 BTG ? You guys seriously FaST!
Tirerack has them listed for 700+ per tire
Get 10!!
Half of the tire is even bigger than my tires... :D
195/50 R16...
I love how the Michelin Man is white even though he’s made out of tires which are black.
He wasn't white at start, it was probably because it's much easier to see on an advertising with dark colored background, also the you need to see the product first mantra.
www.2tout2rien.fr/lhorrible-bibendum-michelin-de-1900/
Also, tires used to all be white. Natural latex rubber is white, they started adding compounds that turned it black later.
This or the AR-1 for track use?
What’s your goal?
@@RobertMitchell lap time . I'm also interested in seeing the difference in lap times between AR1 and CUP 2 R or Trofeo R.
So is it for going QUICK or FAST?
Either :-)
THAT'S an expensive & interesting tire(tyre?)
Awsome video 👍
And, Damm a big rim and tyre.
I dont think my little shit box have enough power to turn that wheel. Focus 1.6 diesel with, hold on to your chair. 90 hp.
I hate that car, No fun at all 😭
With a lack of power maintaining momentum through the corner is most important.
Learning to drive a slow car fast is a good training.
What about those UNDER 16 minutes lap guys in their Nissan Navara?
I don’t think the cup R for you them 🤣🤣🤣
Pilot sport cup 4 for me ...excellent tyre for the roads here on the west coast of Scotland ...not cheap tho ! ...(vwmk4gti20v)..
It’s a wonderful tire!!!!
Come says that ps4 are worse than ps4s because they overheat very fast and disintegrate. It is true?
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Hit that like button
now, let's see the video
Thx for that support;-)
How did you land this dream job Tim?
Maybe a good video story?!
@@RobertMitchell you tell me!? I But becoming a Ring Taxi driver because of a good video story? I can do that!
That tire is bigger than my kitchen!!
Mine too!
Robert Mitchell 😅
You 'casually' run 6-40 BTG laps on normal days? wow
It’s a very fast pace to be fair with other cars on track. You can go out and do one or two but it takes so much concentration and attention to stay safe with slower cars on track
Robbo...........what's the price son!!!
I am struggling to see how you guys are coming to conclusions on this tires. I have used up two sets and both have failed in spectacular fashion. Two others local to me have also had their sets experience complete failure. Total outside 1/2 tread delamination for one within one day. I got a mere 14 hot laps before my thread separated and same happened to the third guy in even laps than me.
We were just sold a bad batch between us all of us? Anecdotally, another local with a C8 he had in California experienced the same thing last year on multiple sets lasting only a couple/few sessions.
Is no one else experiencing this with this tire? They also have proven to be a fair bit slower than GYSC3R in my experience…in fact, I never turned a single hot lap on the GY in any conditions that were as slow as my fastest CupR lap.
Hey man what track are you on? What pressures and what ambient / track temps? They wear out fast and when you run them hot and hard they will come apart when they’re done.
Porsche gets ONE Nürburgring lap out of them when doing lap record attempts
@@RobertMitchell One of the tracks was Area 27 in BC Canada and the other is Rocky Mountain Motorsports in AB Canada. These were not hot days, mid 20deg C at hottest. The tires have been slow no matter the ambient temp, morning or warmer afternoon.
When I say 14 hot laps, I do not mean at once. This was taking 1 or 2 hot laps per session over 2 days!
GOODYEAR EAGLE F1 SuperSport RS Anyone ?
Hmm. I've got two of these on my old bicycle, which is worth £35.00. It's great for getting the weekly groceries. Carrots, potatoes, onions, rice, tins of kidney beans. Oh yes. I NEED tyres like this on my bike.
I am a liar.
One set of these tires run around 2300 -2500 euro
About 3000 w tax here in Germany
Sorry Robert, I was talking netto, no taxes. Price makes advantage for these tires questionable in my opinion
But thanks for the explanation and sharing your experience
Why don't they make it in 18"????
We’d have to ask Michelin that:!!
@@RobertMitchell sad face
jeez, you really forget the size of them until it comes off the car
Right.....just first
Yeah I don't think so. Plenty semi slick tires for sale in order to claim this.
I think it’s close
It's a shame they are so incredibly high priced.
100%
@@RobertMitchell I have just ordered a set of MPSC2 GT4/GT3 N1 spec tyres for my 488. Same size as the 488/F8/Pista. A Michelin rep told me that the N1 spec tyres would have about 13mm more tread width both front and rear, and also a slightly softer outside compound compared to the K2 Spec MPSC2 we normally use on the Pista and 488 for track. Looking forward to try them. I just can't get myself to pay for the R compound tyres when a set of "regular" MPSC2 K2 tyres last maybe 1½ month at best.
A dual compound tire is a compromise, no way it can be the fastest, I would bet on the Potenza RE-71R over this.
I do not agree with this statement.
Even the inner compound is probably faster on this than a re71r, it's a different league of tire. Don't get me wrong the bridgestone is a very good tire but quite different in what it's supposed to do.
In 8000 miles it was KAPUTT
This tire should not be allowed 🤦🏻♂️😅
What category of lap times do you find yourself in sir? 🤔🤣👌
Trofeo R is even faster! But in the rain is very very bad!
Trofeo R is faster than a Cup 2 but NOT faster than a Cup 2R.
So technically if you drove the ring for 365 days a year and did 7 laps per day on the tire you would be spending 912,000 dollars a year ON TIRES ALONE. Too rich for my blood.
Luckily track isn’t open that many days a year 🤣🤣
Equip the 720s "Track Pack" with those tires and use a professional driver, and I guarantee you it will destroy the 911GT RS nurburgring lap record. A 765LT isn't even needed. As I've always stated, DRIVER SKILLS and TIRES play a significant role in racing (especially around tracks, where the margin for error is greater).
I do not think that the 720s will beat the GT2RS MR... The 765 MAYBE however the 720s has some lift off oversteer issues at the full limit that you would need to correct with aero before being able to go as fast as the MR in the turns.
@@RobertMitchell
The 720s track pack edition, equipped with trofeo tires, recorded a faster time around Hockenhein GP than both the 911GT2 RS and 488 Pista. So, in my opinion, it can beat the 911GT2 RS' time around the Nurburgring...Unless Porsche made some changes/enhancements to that particular 911GT2 RS it used to set the lap record.
Tyran Mathurin NoS is a very different animal compared to HHR. McLaren needs more aero almost across the entire range, would be good to see the 765LT rectifying this.
@@RobertMitchell I suspect that McLaren couldn't get the Senna to beat the P1 GTR LM time at the Nurb when they tested there so i can't see the 765 LT beating the SVJ lap time let alone the GT2 RS MR's lap record.
@@trackdays7625
BS!
The r888r tires are better much better
Hmmmm.....
Robert Mitchell they also do well in the wet and seeing how it’s always wet over their in Europe compared to the USA. I e tried them all and for a street tire they are the best them some Hoosiers track slicks
Not the fastest tyre in the world. The fastest one you cant buy in your country.
And what is that!?
@@RobertMitchell Yokohama A050 Soft. Easy to overheat but super quick for a one hot lap.