Review and Test Fit DNA Motoring Headers on a Dodge 4.7 Ram, Dakota and Durango
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Here are inexpensive headers from DNA Motoring that I'll see how well they fit the Chrysler 4.7 engine. These headers are for 04-07 Dodge Ram, 00-07 Dodge Dakota, and Durango. Made from 304 Stainless Steel with 1.5 primary tubes and all TIG welded.
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nice looking headers i sure like the think flanges and mounting surfaces.
Yeah for the money they are built well.
Look great, good cheap option, would like to see how well they do after a few good heat cycles too. A lot of the forums about the headers for the 4.7 basically tell you to avoid everything if it's not great SS or Ceramic coated, or tell you to spend the money elsewhere because of the undocumented dyno gains per the cost of the headers and any add muffler shop costs if you went that route.
Thank you, I have heard some of the same. 🤔
Thanks for the in depth look at 'em. I have a ram with the V-10, and DNA makes headers for that too, it I was wondering how good they'd actually be... I'm honestly quite impressed, the only thing that still concerns me is warping or cracking...
yes most times you get what you pay for. I would definitely purchase harder bolts like 8.8 or 9.8
Some studs on those tricky holes for the left one might be a good idea.
I found a y-pipe on Rock Auto that has the single cat. I have a 2001 Dakota QC with the 4.7 and I have these exact same headers. I haven't installed either the headers or catalytic converter (y-pipe), yet. My only concern is the fitting from the header to the y-pipe. There seems to be a very small amount of overlap to seal it. I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, Let me know how the headers and Y-pipe line up if you get to yours before I get to mine. What did you think about the Y-pipe from Rock Auto?
I got a set of DNA long tubes for my 06 300C hemi, paid just under $200 Canadian about 4-5 years ago. Very satisfied with the quality and installation being in such a cramped engine bay. My only complaint is the supplied gaskets which are garbage not even 3k (kilometers) and had one fail, i put on some oem ones and haven't had any issues, they sound amazing too. Super happy I saved my money compared to the much higher priced ones from the competition
I was tempted to buy these for my 03 ram but I don't know if they will fit since they say its for an 04 and up ram which is strange because there's no visable difference compared to the 02 or 03 compared to the 04. The suspension wasn't changed on the rams till 06 with the face-lift rams utilizing the front coils. Been wanting to make some long tubes for the 4.7 because I don't think anyone makes them
I would think these DNA headers would fit your Ram..
Yeah, the only company that makes long tube headers for the 4.7 is Doug Thorley, and they are only made to fit the Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ.
But. Looks great. I'm doing full port Polish etc in heads. Intake manifold, header's, ECU tune. Full exhaust, and my own chiller intake.
I ordered mine for my 2nd gen Durango and I got them the next day and they are pretty decent I am so happy with mine
Do you need a tune for them?
@@357RedG No
No tune needed
Let us know how the install goes.
@@martinbuilt It went really well nothing hit anywhere
With the Powertech you get the advantage of no sparkplugs in the area
I have a set. The EGR tube welds have split and the 11mm bolts back off regularly. 4 years old. I have a welding friend that fixes the split welds.
I wonder if the soft bolts (4.8) are strengthening from the heat and that is why you need to retighten them. I am planning on replacing the bolts with these or other hardened header bolts.
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Daaangit..i was wondering if theyll split in that area. Thanks..ima just dish out the 6-700 😭😭
Love your video, I've been on the fence about getting a set of headers for my 2004 Dakota 4.7. I think I might get a set of these. I know I will need to have the exhaust ran custom from the headers back, but by chance do those headers line up to the factory pipes on the truck?
Also a tip for those header bolts which I agree with changing them to grade 8. First thing when you had that package of bolts I was thinking low grade because they weren't dark colored like high carbon steel. I would put anti-seize anti- galling compound on the threads, being dissimilar metals, aluminum and steel. Same with spark plugs . 👍👍👍
The hard part is finding these headers. Yes, they should bolt directly to the stock Y-pipe or cats.
Think they will work with the factory crossover and H02 sensors for the Durango? Wish they had something for the Jeep GC. I'm doing a HO conversion, VIN N to Vin J and would prefer some sort of shorty factory header to the stock manifolds. I want it to breath so I can use the AirRam adaptors and put the Eaton SC from the Mustang on top. Great Video! Thank you for "pioneering" these!
Edit: My 2000 Durango 4X4 SLT 4.7/545RFE code "N" for North East US sale doesn't have the pre-cats. There is only the large crossover and a fat full size cat after the Y pipe goes into one. Before the intermediate pipe there is an upstream H02, the Catalyst and a post cat H02. Maybe that crossover should work off the shelf, or give you something to model off of.
Cheers to you, Martin!
I believe these headers will work with factory crossover and the O2 sensors. I'll have to look into that Y-pipe with out the pre-cats.
Thank you you for watching!😎
Can't seem to find them anywhere ... out of stock. Seems to be a ton for the 5.2 and 5.9, but not the 4.7. Thanks for all the videos, I really enjoy them
Yup, that's why I bought the set I did when I did. They seem to go really fast.. Just keep watching. I'm sure one of the sellers will be selling them soon.
martin, great information. have a 03 club cab 2wd slt, cherry red. i live in kansas- yes the rust belt. already went to electric cooling fan, new lifters, new sryle rockers, full duals , performance cats, flowmaster with x pipe. their is not a pick a part within 100 miles of me. i'm 67 and use a walker to get around, but i still love driving my little truck. if you run into a set of the 17 wheels that were a factory option, and a set of 08 cams n springs i really could use a little help. also i was watching you pull the gm 6 cylinder superchargers and wondered if you had given any thought of modifying the mounting plate/manifold to fit over the valley on the 4.7? oh i am willing to joyfully pay for the parts and your time if you can help. thanks jeff
I’d be getting stainless steel studs and cooper nuts
Hello Martin, I have a Dodge Durango 2008 4.7 and I have already changed the rocket arm and the hydraulic tanks twice. also change the entire timing chain kit. but the van still sounds like a sewing machine to me. greetings from Chile
I would try some Marvel's Mystery Oil that may help with the next oil change.
Walker exhaust offers the y pipe your looking for
Wow!! $200 for a pair of SS headers?That is a deal Martin....👍👍😁😁
yea, I think so. I would recommend purchasing Grade 8.8 or 9.8 hardware. The 4.8 hardware is to soft and the risk of twisting off a bolt is kind of high. Thank you for watching Dan. 😎👍
Well these headers do look great, but the ones in the description are made by Gibson. I really wish someone would make a mid length header for the 4.7, a 4 to 2 to 1 style would be great!
Yeah currently there are none of the ones that I showed in the video on eBay I've been checking and I'll place a link in the description once they reappear.
Hi. Watching all Your videos. Interesting and helpful. For me. Question about WJ 4.7.Watched long time ago Your video about this engine headers. Those are very expensive. Can U advise something not expensive and good for 4.7? Thank U for videos and answer.
I just looked into it. Best Muffler.com has a set for around $700, but it looks like they are made to order, and I believe they are out of Australia. Once you add the shipping on there, you'd probably be just as much as the Doug Thorley headers.
I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel. Thank you
Are you planning any other performance modifications for the Dakota?
Yes absolutely. 👍😎
Looks like the best way is if the engine is out of the vehicle? Would those fit on a 08 4.7? Also, I have a issue going on in mine? And wanted to pick your brain?? I keep getting a 2096 bank 1 fuel trim lean? I’ve inspected the manifolds all good. Replaced gaskets and bolts. Replaced all 4 O2 sensors with boush. Replaced map sensor and checked the rest of the exhaust all the way back. And the light has come on and off for the past month. I have cleaned the mass flow sensor too. Still same. Do you have any other ideas? And do you have any headers you know of that would fit my 08 dodge Durango 4.7? Thanks. Need more content too😊
For the Bolts hardness they recommended them due to heat and vibrations. They’re more forgiving than a higher grade. Also says Do Not use neverseize… idk why they’d recommend it…
Why are good header bolts grade 8? I would think the low grade bolts would stretch and would need to be tighten continuously. 🤔
I have a question they work on a ram 1500 2003 4.7
I wish they made long tube headers for this motor
me too, thank you for watching.
how thease would fit Jeep WJ? small modification is acceptable.
I was looking at these but didn't trust em wasn't sure and my truck had new manifolds installed right before i bought it so i figure why bother for now. May buy some and put em on the shelf and save for when i replace my rusting y pipe. Everything past the y pipe is new last year, new stock exhaust with an electric cutout and a second straightpipe leg all the way out the back too.
Custom exhaust coming on yours too eh?? Ill have to make a vid of what I did to mine when it gets nice out. IF and when I do Ill email ya, you tube removes comments with links for good reason. Don't have anything fancy or nice, kinda ugly underneath. But...at 20 and ft 20 mph looks good sounds good. lol
Looking forward to seeing you install yours in the truck so I know what I'm in for if and when that day comes for me.
Same, here. Especially the Chinesium. "SS304 rated" but I'm still on the fence of doing it, for the bit of power you might gain (butt dyno) because s lot of the forums talked about it being a 3hr job to remove the stock headers and swap, but never show any dyno before/afters. Plus not everyone can do a header swap in their garage. So figure a couple hundred bucks at a muffler shop to hope they last long enough to be worth the headache, if you or they don't break any muffler bolts getting the broke free from your 20 year old motor. I'd rather save the funds for whenever the current 4.7 decides to need work or depending on parts:cost just do the Holley Hemi swap or get a 360 Mag for it.
Hello i hâve v10 dodge ram 2500 8.0 there two products one is dna and another is only stainless steel so wich better dna is good if i buy it and thank you
are those DNA pentastar 4.7 liter headers 50 state approved or CARB approved??
Will this fit on a 2010 Ram 1500 with the 4.7?
I saw the comment about the large exhaust flange opening on the header compared to the HO cylinder head. Could it be to match the exhaust ports on the 2008 and newer dual plug motors?
That would be great but the problem is the 08 and newer has a different bolt pattern and no way to get these headers to bolt to that cylinder head.
Do you happen to have a part number for reference?
I have a 4.7 and my driver side exhaust manifold gasket stud closest to the fire wall was cut clean off and i am struggling to take it out
A reversible drill and drill bit will help get it out as well as screw extractor or Easy Out as they are called. Use a center punch tool to give the pit a hole to start out and will keep it centered so you can drill the hole in the center. Some mild heat from a Mapp torch would likely help as well, not too much the head is aluminum. You can pull the inner fenders on both sides and that makes it easier with the wheel/tire off to access the exhaust manifold bolts and studs/ heat shield nuts on both sides. Good Luck.
I got a set of Gibsons headers and a Flowmaster cat-back for my 01 Dakota QuadCab. I honestly wasn’t too impressed with them. I had to mess around with the flanges on the y-pipe to get the headers to bolt up. Im sure it would have been better if I did a custom y-pipe. I didn’t feel much of a difference with just the headers and cat-back 😕. That truck is just a dog compared to my 99 WJ.
Might be a silly question, but why won't these headers fit the 4.7 in the 2011 Dodge Ram 1500? Thanks for taking your time to reply.
The bolt pattern is completely different on the exhaust manifold to the cylinder head from 2008-2013
I want to do a turbo kit on my Dakota RT, 5.9, but I’m running hooker LTs, what do you recommend? Header wise
I found this, turbotechnologyinc.com/product/dodge-dakota-5-9-turbo-manifold-eexaust-turbo-system/
With a turbo you need some kind of header or manifold that works with a turbo
I wish they made some fort the 2012 4.7 flex fuel v8
I wish they did too.
I can’t find them anywhere anymore everywhere is sold out or no longer available
Yeah I don't know what's going on, maybe there on a really slow boat from China.
Had my 2000 Dakota 4.7 do something a couple of weeks ago that's made me wonder what is going on with it...
After idling for about 25 minutes in a long drive-thru line, as I was pulling out onto the street, saw a huge plume of thick white smoke coming from the tailpipe... it was alarming, so I stopped very quickly and let it cool down (it didn't get hot, but honestly didn't know what the heck was happening)... I checked my oil and coolant levels, thinking it was a head gasket, but when I started it up again, no smoke at all and ran normal.
Any idea what the heck this could be? I have quit driving it as a result.
Yeah, a head gasket is what I would have thought as well.🤔
I would just keep driving it, but keep a close eye on the water level and your engine oil.
Keep us posted on how they hold up.
will do 😎👍
Where did you get these from? I cant seem to find them online.
I just checked on eBay; there are currently none available. That's what I was saying: that they go really fast once a seller has any. I would keep watching eBay.
Do you a any direct way to get reach out
Where's the link for the price you paid
Thaks brother Martín.. i could make in my Jeep Grand Cherokke Wj 2002....?.?.?. Good luck.
I doubt very much that these headers would fit in a in a Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ.
Doug Thorley is the only one who makes any headers for the 4.7 WJ, and they are long tube Tri-Y headers.
I have them in my 04 WJ
@@martinbuilt Thank you bro for your time!
Can't find the headers for my 06 4.7 Durango where can I find them
Yeah they are hard to find I could tell they were going fast on eBay when I purchased mine. They're probably on a very slow boat from China I know. Just need to keep watching eBay.
So Martin they don't fit the WJ Jeep
Is there a header for 2008- 2011 dodge dakota 4.7 that will fit? Will those fit on those years? I know mines a 11 and it's got cats on the manifolds...
Unfortunately, they don't make headers for the 2008 -13 4.7 l.
Those newer 4.7 have a different bolt pattern at the cylinder head than the earlier generation.
@martinbuilt ok thanks for the info man
Will these fit a 2008 4.7 Durango? I can’t find any on eBay or Amazon?? Do you have any brands or links you know will have a set of headers for mine?
Yeah, I don't know why no aftermarket company has not built a set of headers, long or short tube for the 4.7 08-13.
The 08 4.7 with over 300 horsepower could could benefit from a set of headers.
Someday, I am planning to either do an 08 cylinder head swap or swap the entire engine from an 08, and I am definitely gonna to be building a set of long tube headers to go with it.
Yeah I’ve looked everywhere. Sounds like you got the right idea. Are you gonna do a video on this build?
@@sipnscoot3049 Yes I will be doing a video on the installation to the cats and a custom Y-pipe with a rear cat with a performance muffler.
Lol. I didn’t realize I sent you a message before about the headers. Sorry. But any input on my 2096 code problem would be appreciated!
currently have DNA on a 700hp ish crank 408 stroker ls. they work good ish for the price. not a fan of the discoloring they get so easily. a dingy goldish bronze color. and a horribly anoying ehaust chirp. sounds like a procharger chirp, but i knnow it isnt lol cayse the procharges sitting in my den waiting to get installed. something with the flow. but other than that for a sub 300$ header its not bad. would def runn em on off road stuff but prob gonna move to kooks or gibson once the blower goes on.
Do these fit the 5.7 hemi Durango ?
No these do not fit the hemi.
Thank you for watching.
Would you send me the link for the headers? Thanks
I would like to but there currently are none available. 😕
Martin, please help. 2004 4.7 driver's side exhaust manifold Just started making noise. What are my options, 125,000 No Rust. 1 owner The Government, former ATF VEHICLE. Form Virginia love your Channel 🙋♂️👨🔧
Can you send me the link to the headers. All you have in the description are gibson
I would send you a link but they are currently all sold out. I would keep watching eBay.
Is there anything available for an 07 grand Cherokee 4.7. I know people say there is figment issues but with enough patience anything fits :-)
Magnaflow 24437,4.7 y pipe single cat. You will need to relocate o2s with new bungs if you have 4
Yeah, I had to relocate my rear 02 sensors on my 04 Jeep Grand Cherokee when I went from 2 cats to one. I will look into that Magnaflow Y-pipe. Thank you.
@@martinbuilt I have this kit I'd gladly give you a great deal on. Bought it 2020 for a project I went another direction and never used, I'll even throw in the 2 stainless o2 bungs if you need em.
Probably can buy standard manifold bolts.
What oil do you recommend for a 2003 4.7l ?
That motors beautiful by the way great find at pick a part! How much did you pay for it?
Yeah that engine looks pretty good. I believe it was $260 out the door.
I have been using mobile one with my 04 grand Cherokee.
@@martinbuilt Thank you. that's what I use also. 10-30 synthetic.
Do you know of anyone who makes these headers for a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7?
Unfortunately nobody is making the headers for the 08 through 13 4.7
Still love your videos I have not been able to find A 545RFE TCM At any junk yard in Vegas If you come across one let me know I will buy it off you
Thank you. I will check next time I'm there.
Just looked on the web and there is an 04 JGC Overland with a 4.7 there right now.
@@martinbuilt North Las Vegas or Henderson
@@justenfarnsworth625 North Las Vegas. I might go out there tomorrow to see if that hood has good paint.
Alright let me know if you find one if you go thank you
Would these work on a 2008 4.7
unfortunately no in '08 they revamped the cylinder heads and changed the bolt pattern for the exhaust manifolds.
Thank you for watching.
@@martinbuilt do they make headers for the 2008 4.7
i wonder if theyd fit thw wj 4.7
I doubt it. I might give it try with a Pic-A-Part Jeep.
That would be great👍🏻
@@martinbuilt keep us posted pls
@@momoney6580 will do 👍
Ypu never want to lose size the header hole size is fine probably for the 4.7 ho port the crap quick 30 min and done its only exhaust ports😅
To bad thay won't work on the grand cherokee wj 4.7l
I swapped a 4.7 out of a 99 jeep grand cherokee into a 2000 Dakota and only difference I seen was the accessories on the front of the engine
Yeah the 99-07 are pretty much all the same except for a few things like PS pump, A/C compressor, heater hose location and if it has an EGR valve or not.
@@martinbuilt So it would fit a WJ? 01 here and interested in your thoughts
I watched this a long time ago and did this with all the vehicles I own / owned. You can make your own I’m sure… your tool as well 👌 valvespring tool is awesome By the way. I didn’t change them all out yet cause yooper Michigan working out in the cold. Still took me 3hrs or so to get 3 of them done. Only cause I had to run inside and out from it being to cold on the hands. But check this CZcams video out on the Y-Pipe 👇👇
czcams.com/video/t6o_ypI26q4/video.html
Yeah I used to live in Iowa I know what you're talking about.. 🥶And I don't miss it at all.😎
Yeah, the total flow looks like a well-built Y-pipe, especially for the money.
I'm glad the martinbuilt valve Spring compressors is working out for you.👍
I'd like to delete those pre cats too, but....CA :-(
Does CA. do a visual inspection as well?
@@martinbuilt unfortunately yes
@@martinbuilt They are susposed to. Some techs do and some don't. My truck has CARB approved headers(not sure of the manufactuer) my father installed (I've inheareted this '02SLT Quadcab) at some point. There is a CARB(California Air Resources Board) exempt tag welded to the headers, so maybe that is what the tech is looking for. I've never been asked about them. With that said, we even have CA specific cats that you "must" use. They apparently have more palladium or platinum in them and cost at least twice as much. They are looking for a specific number on the main cat and maybe the pre-cats(but those are very difficult to see so they usually don't look at those).
I have been called out on not having the "correct" cat when I had a pre cat go bad and replaced the entire system with a 49 state version. Though is passed with flying colors, they faild me. Only the pre cat was bad, so I cut the good CA main cat off and spliced it back in the system. Went back and tested again and they said nothing...oh and the sniffer numbers did not change. Now they don't even do a sniffer test. OBDII only and they are just looking for rediness "ok" and no CEL. This state is a nightmare and only getting worse.
On a different tangent, I'm looking for a Quadcab 4x4 skid plate/guards (factory). They will be made out of composite material with deep corrigated construction. There is a front and a rear. I'm looking for both or even just a single. If you ever come across some in the yards I'm very interested in purchasing them (with a finders fee of course). Thanks for all you do to support this make/model. Very helpful!
Terrible for Dodge Ram 1500 4.7. Rub against lower steering column also had to bend exhaust pipe to make work
What year is your Ram?
Honstly wanted to hear it but they look purdy
Stay tuned, and you will hear them. 😎
Don't buy I ran these on my 2005 dakota the fit was good and the sound and horsepower gains where ok but a year in the egr tube blew totally off leaving a gaping whole in the collectors. They bolt up great fit great other then back cylinders on the engine are square shaped and the headers are round so it only mates a small section . Loved them while they lasted but there not good long term
Also bolts are junk throw them out buy hardened header bolts and save the Hassel I snapped one off in the head
Still haven't gotten around to a installing mine. But I totally agree with the bolts are being junk buy actual hardened header bolts.
For the price I loved them and was kinda disappointed because the flange was so thick and beefy I figured they would last but when the egr tube blew it left a 1inch by like 2 inch hole
Walker exhaust offers the y pipe your looking for
Thank you Joe I appreciate that.👍