It's also the only letter to not have the sound it makes in its name back in ancient times, w's predecessor (which actually looked like a Y) was called Wau, and honestly I think we should bring the name back
i personally like having thorn and eth both. a way to distinguish between voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives would be cool, in my opinion. a lot of people talk about english spelling reforms but they're always too large of a difference. a spelling reform would have to be minor enough that those who spell things using the spelling reform to understand pre spelling reform writing. i think that a small spelling reform we could do could be using the same principles as thorn and eth, but not actually bringing the letters back. the voiceless dental fricative should still stay TH, but the voiced could become DH. dhat doesn't change things too much, right?
This is why I suggest spelling all /k/ sounds with K karakter, Pacifik Ocean, Irak, kan, kloud, ... double-k can still be ck, like klock, back, ... and the /kw/ sound kan also remain as qu, like question, queen. It's a simple reform, words are still rekognisable, but there will no loner be a C or Ch that makes a /k/ sound.
except for the fact that eth never contrasted with thorn in what sounds they represented. both letters were used interchangably until both got dropped and were replaced with the th digraph.
"&" was probably dropped from the alphabet because unlike most other letters on this list, you can't use it in words. You can use it to _represent_ one specific word, but you can't actually use it _in_ words. Fun fact: the ampersand is a corruption of "et", the Latin word for "and", and in some fonts, it does kind of look like a capital E and lowercase t smushed together.
Þis video has informed me in so many ways. Fr, imaginiŋ trying to use these in ye modern day is pretty surreal & it gets me imagining. It must have been an æon since anyone probably have ðhought to use þhese. Þis video is amazing!
The German ß ("Eszett") is a different letter. German once had the "long s" as well and it disappeared for pretty much the same reasons as in English, if much later (only in the 1st half of the 20th century).
In Russian, there is also a letter that looks exactly like the number 3. It makes the sound “z”. There is just a slight difference between them though. З 3. The first one is the letter, and the second one is the number.
I legit want Thorn and Wynn to come back. The three syllable Dou-ble U can be a tad large, especially when saying WWW when World Wide Web is three times more convenient when it comes to syllable count. And TH is just absurd, really. Two whole letters used to make one sound?! This is outrageous! English sucks, too bad it’s my first language and I don’t know any other ones well!
Blame the industrial revolution. “Þ” goes back all the way to the Elder Futhark “ᚦ” rune. English evolved with that sound built-in, so I wish we still had a letter for it.
I think the letters X and V are rarely used in Indonesia. X is often replaced with KS V sounds almost the same as F. Taxi -- Taksi Aktivitas -- Aktifitas (Activity) Even at the age of 17, I still don't know which one is right between AktiVitas & AktiFitas. Even autocorrect thinks both of them are correct. Lol
I know this is a 7 month old comment, but what's the point for Q? It's only most commonly used in the word "Quran", I haven't seen it in any other words. It's almost like they just added Q in the alphabet to make the Indonesian Alphabet more similar to the Latin Alphabet
Chapter suggestions, because this is exactly the kind of video for which it doesn't make sense in the slightest to not have them: 0:00 - Intro 1:14 - ʃ (Long S) 2:27 - & (Ampersand) 3:15 - Þþ (Thorn) 4:11 - That [This one appears to not have any Unicode symbol] 4:33 - Ðð (Eth) 5:07 - Ææ (Ash) 5:42 - Œœ (Ethel) 6:10 - Ƿƿ (Wynn) 7:00 - Ȝȝ (Yogh) 7:37 - Ŋŋ (Eng) 8:24 - Outro
It's a joke, and the 123 us a reference to the alphabet song past Z, because they fill up space, because other language use other letters, the numbers fill up empty space
Could you please talk about the letter "a"? The letter "a" that we use in our keypads is not the same as we use when we write on papers. Thanks a lot. Very useful video.
I remember as a kid I used to take "W, X, Y & Z" literally and I actually thought "&" came after Y and before Z. It's funny to know that I was actually close to right lmao
I knew a girl named Aeden and she told me that her name was illegal because it was actually spelled Æden and that letter can’t be used on a birth certificate
Actually œ is still used in french, like in sœur, cœur, fœtus, etc. But it's not a letter of the alphabet, just the way to write it, even though I think soeur, coeur and foetus are equally accepted
I went searching for a video like this because I wanted to know where Xi went lol, got no answer but still worth it is the long s related to the eszett? They seem similar in usage what exactly does "and per se and" mean. Like are they saying something like "x, y, z, and, like the letter and" as in to clarify that they mean to end the sentence with "and" by saying referring to and "itself"? Thats really interesting that it was considered a letter. Did they have the other common language symbols back then like pound and at? Math and money symbols notwithstanding Lol I love that the spoken "ye old" is just a misinterpretation. Why did they choose "ye" to replace "þ"? Why not like "lp" or something thats more reminiscent of the thing theyre replacing? Wynn looks too much like something between D and P it's really not a clear symbol to jam into the language. I'm all for adopting stupid anachronistic charactersets just because I can, but that is one I will sadly be leaving out lol lol if you try to pronounce the "gh" in daughter it basically just turns into the german "Tochter". I would like to see that weird 3 come back too, but it needs a new symbol and name. I think that sound is still alive in Bach, because its a name
Long s is indeed related to the eszett; in fact eszett was created from a ligature of long s with short s (or z in some cases) Pretty much, yes, along the lines of "x, y, z, and "and" itself" They chose y to replace þ because by that point þ had changed its shape somewhat and lost its ascender, so it legitimately looked a lot like the y. The modern þ is based on the Icelandic iteration of the letter Wynn was ripped from the old Runic alphabet much like þ was, but it clearly hadn't lasted as long as the letter combo that would ultimately become W. And as cool as wynn looks, it's harder to parse, harder to type, and incredibly redundant Yogh stood for a significantly bigger number of sounds than just the gh, often used instead of y at the beginning of syllables and even occasionally for w within a word. And no, the sound is pretty much dead in standard English; note that Austin simply could not pronounce it, instead pronouncing it as a hard k.
Fun fact: When Arabs started using latin keyboards, many of the sounds from Arabic were not possible with the limited latin alphabet, so they started using the digits.
@@Thenormalguy101here in lebanon we use ع=3 غ=gh both use h since you can usually guess from context and not many words that differ only because of these lettersهand ح خ=kh And ط andظ use t and th respectively for the same reason as ه andح In addition the ء=2
As a teacher of grades one and two, trying to teach kids to read, having a single letter for a sound rather than various combinations would be MUCH easier! I think English has terrible spelling. I would love to revamp it and make it totally simple like Spanish. It wouldn't be very practical now though as if it were like that then people with different accents would spell words entirely differently. Ah well.... If it had been done in the first place we probably wouldn't have all these different accents because the way things are written would tell us how to say them.
I agree. A more phonetic spelling system would make it so much easier for English-speaking children to learn to read and write. Italian children learn to read and write in much less time - less than a year, I think I've heard - compared to English-speaking children because Italian is pronounced almost exactly as it is written, and written almost exactly as it is pronounced. Likewise with other phonetically-written languages including Finnish, and probably even languages that are semi-phonetically written like French. But as you also say, it is probably now far too late to reform our spelling, and the vast geographical spread of its speakers around the world has introduced so many different accents that it would be a fool's game to try to decide which accent to represent phonetically in which word.
@@circumplex9552 Not necessarily, "you" and "thou" were always separate ("you" was meant for formal greetings and such while "thou" was informal) but the shift from thorn to "y" made it a little bit harder to differentiate between the two so people just stopped caring about the difference, which is why we only have one second person pronoun in English.
One lil’ extra about ampersand. I’ve made up a tiny lil’ rule when it comes to the full-word wannabe. Basically, you’d use ampersnad whenever you use more than one “and” in a sentence with ampersand being used for every “and after the first one, or if an “and” is used in the name of a tv show or a business or something like that. An example would be Tom *&* Jerry.
What sort of keyboards are used in Iceland? Do they include keys for these letters, which I don't know how to write on the mobile phone I am using to write this?
@@legalvampire8136 No, the Icelandic keyboard basically just combines two keys to make these letters Á É Í Ó Ú Ý But there are some that are just for one key Ð Þ Æ Ö On a mobile phone keyboard, you have to hold in the letter A to type in the letters Á or Æ, E for the letter É and etc. For Þ, you have to hold in T, for Ð you hold in D and for Ö you hold in O
@MoolsDogTwo Uppercase ß doesn’t exist in the German alphabet since there is no use for it. The uppercase ß you posted here is just there to complete the Unicode font but is not in use anywhere.
Did you know: ß (German "eszett" or sharp S) is the combination of long "s" and normal "s" into one letter. & (ampersand) was originally a combination of the letters "et", spelling out the Latin word for "and". In the past, "&c" was a common spelling of "etc".
I like the eszett. i believe its name is a combination of "ess" and "zett." Duh. "Ess" for "S," and "zett" (or really tsett) being the German pronunciation of "zed," which is "Z." Since those are the sounds represented by "S," logically if you make a symbol for the combination of the two, you would combine the names.
Yeah, a lot of my schoolwork was done on computers when I took French and we had no easy way of using “œ”. My teachers knew that, but I always found it ever-so-slightly annoying
@@landonrichards4434 Basically everyone just write it "oe" and computers correct it back to "œ" automatically, don't worry to much about it it's not important, really
yeah C's pretty useless, there's no sound it "makes" that isn't taken by other letters by default the only thing it has "unique" is "Ch" for a unique sound...but it's a combo. Could easily be its own letter.
In Germany we still have these letters in addition to the 26 alphabet letters like the sharp s "ẞ", Ä, Ö and Ü Ä, Ö and Ü are basically an in between of Ae, Oe and Ue.
Fun fact: the order of the alphabet is completely arbitrary, and yet so many things depend on the order never changing, like lists numbered with letters instead of numbers.
Actually it is not completely random. The order of the Roman alphabet is very similar to that of the Greek alphabet, and not dissimilar to that of Hebrew. The vowels are placed approximately every four letters. Remove letters added after the Romans and you have: Abcd Efgh I(jk)lmn Opqrst (u)V(wxyz) The Roman V was not the consonant we use it as today but the vowel sound "oo", so Roman V was a vowel. During the Dark Ages or Middle Ages people began to round the shape of the V when writing quickly, and eventually decided to treat rounded U and angular V as two different letters with two different sounds. They gave the vowel sound "oo" to U and made the angular V a consonant. Possibly the reason why the last vowel, V, was placed at the end of the alphabet instead of 4 letters after O is that people felt it was satisfying to have one vowel at the beginning (A) and one at the end (V); but I'm only speculating there. And as to who decided to arrange the vowels like that, and where to put the other letters, and how this very brainy person managed to get other people to agree with this order, I'm at a loss to know. Hebrew already had an alphabetical order in about 1000 BC when someone wrote Psalm 119, which works through the Hebrew alphabet letter by letter (you will see what I mean if you look it up - it's easier to see than to describe it here). The Greeks also had the concept that alpha was their first letter and omega the last (both of them vowels, interestingly), as we know from the fact that Jesus called himself "the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending" in Revelation 1:8.
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Þ is probably the easiest one to bring back really but it'd be hard teaching people to tell it's lower and upercase versions apart Þ þ i mean the lower case looks bigger to boot
I'm Brazilian, and fluent in English and recently I've been interested in Nordic languages, mainly Icelandic, that's where my first contact with letters took place Þ Ð, and in my honest opinion, English would be much better with these letters back in the language
I doubt it, if a spelling reform is enacted in one country the rest of the English speaking world wouldn't join, so you would end up with the split of English. It would have to be removed gradually which would then mean there would be an agreed alternative...again not going to happen.
I have seen a couple articles that some orthographers & lexicographers want to add the schwa ǝ as the 27th letter of the American English alphabet, as it is one of the most common vowel sounds in the USA ....
Father-son-conversation between Elon Musk and his son: "Son, if your classmates are making fun of your name, it's not because your name is weird, it's just because your classmates are not smart enough."
last I heard, he could not register the birth certificate with letters outside of the 26 or use numbers unless it is an ordinal such as II, III, IV,... for a family name
My friend: Who is your favourite Pokemon trainer?
Me: Æ.
Dororoszyk Œ
Hoajasa
Ketchum
@@helloandihaveclinicaldepre1430 from pallet town
That's some advanced humor right there.
Replacing “thing” with “þiŋ” sounds really satisfying though
bin
@@MCLooyverse i see a lack of my boy þorn in ðere
@@defaultdan7923 Unfortunately, my comment didn't call for þorn.
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honestly we need to bring back the thorn "þ" instead of "th" its just easier and cooler, and easier for people learning english to understand
Interesting fact no one seems to remember: W is pronounced as “Doubleyoo” making it the only letter with more than one syllable, because it has three
It's also the only letter to not have the sound it makes in its name back in ancient times, w's predecessor (which actually looked like a Y) was called Wau, and honestly I think we should bring the name back
If & were to be a letter, it should just be called and. & could also sound like and.
We should just call it Wynn
@@ianjellison6688 The letter Wynn as in win. Perfect.
@/+$3&*(8)’”:;9014#57=2-6%
Fun fact: æ, ð, þ, ö, ä, ø and å are still used in nordic languages.
(Of course in other languages too like german, same goes for œ in French)
soeur = daughter (in french)
(but the 'o' and 'e' are together)
@@giacomoswift8919 sœur
@@giacomoswift8919 sœur is sister in French. Fille is girl/daughter
Æ
Ö and Ä are in the German alphabet too.
Teacher: How many letters are in alphabet?
Me: 36....
@@Vini-km4dh if you press ´ and s you can get long ś
Norky ß
@@shiikae7787 wot
Norky ^_^¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Vini-km4dh in germany it looks like ß
“It’s just a D with a line through it!”
Q: *sweats nervously*
Ø you mean?
@@retsreinyrelgeinthrelaveri1456 i don't think so since q is just o with a small line. But i guess that works too.
Ðicc
Đamn
Ðð
'Đ' is now an actual letter in the Vietnamese alphabet, and it is used to make the "TH" sound lowercase 'đ'
That's not ð. That's a different letter, d with stroke. Note that its lowercase is different. That's how you distinguish between them.
i personally like having thorn and eth both. a way to distinguish between voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives would be cool, in my opinion. a lot of people talk about english spelling reforms but they're always too large of a difference. a spelling reform would have to be minor enough that those who spell things using the spelling reform to understand pre spelling reform writing. i think that a small spelling reform we could do could be using the same principles as thorn and eth, but not actually bringing the letters back. the voiceless dental fricative should still stay TH, but the voiced could become DH. dhat doesn't change things too much, right?
nice
This is why I suggest spelling all /k/ sounds with K
karakter, Pacifik Ocean, Irak, kan, kloud, ...
double-k can still be ck, like klock, back, ... and the /kw/ sound kan also remain as qu, like question, queen.
It's a simple reform, words are still rekognisable, but there will no loner be a C or Ch that makes a /k/ sound.
@@Liggliluff could be, especially for ðe ch part
except for the fact that eth never contrasted with thorn in what sounds they represented. both letters were used interchangably until both got dropped and were replaced with the th digraph.
English: *Stops using old letter*
Icelanders: “Come, you have a new home now.”
æ
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how did u get chinese in ur name
@Anya Aliffa i also have chinese keyboard 你好
ſ go brrrr
interestiŋ
please make this a thiŋ
η not the same but close
What keyboard?
Used commonly in Kazakh (cyrillic counterpart be ң)
I’m likin’ this thing
they see me rolliŋ..
"&" was probably dropped from the alphabet because unlike most other letters on this list, you can't use it in words. You can use it to _represent_ one specific word, but you can't actually use it _in_ words.
Fun fact: the ampersand is a corruption of "et", the Latin word for "and", and in some fonts, it does kind of look like a capital E and lowercase t smushed together.
Þis video has informed me in so many ways. Fr, imaginiŋ trying to use these in ye modern day is pretty surreal & it gets me imagining. It must have been an æon since anyone probably have ðhought to use þhese. Þis video is amazing!
Person: W X Y and Z
People trying to be smart: “and” isn’t a letter.
Me, an intellectual: actually,
Lime Diamond I’m not an intellectual. Help me understand this joke
@@osama_tee9674 no i dont think i will.
also: aw man #8264
Idk why but to me it sounds like it should be w y x and z
Creeper #8264 I think they mean that the ampersand was considered a letter and it means and. Don’t know if this helps
Rashi Singh uh. Wtf’s an ampersand😂
"The long s"
Germans: hold my ßeer
Ok ßoomer
Gurshaan Lamba
Ok ssoomer
The German ß ("Eszett") is a different letter. German once had the "long s" as well and it disappeared for pretty much the same reasons as in English, if much later (only in the 1st half of the 20th century).
Sseer
@@arthur_p_dent that was joke I already know about the eszett
In Russian, there is also a letter that looks exactly like the number 3. It makes the sound “z”. There is just a slight difference between them though. З 3. The first one is the letter, and the second one is the number.
Plus third letter in the cyrillic alphabet looks like it uses a similar rule to thorn, but pronounced like a v.
@@Labyrinth6000 В B they look the same
@@Labyrinth6000 there is also Ж and Щ. The first one is zh iirc, but about the second one idk
@@russianyoutubeщ "sch"
щ is a soft sh
I legit want Thorn and Wynn to come back. The three syllable Dou-ble U can be a tad large, especially when saying WWW when World Wide Web is three times more convenient when it comes to syllable count. And TH is just absurd, really. Two whole letters used to make one sound?! This is outrageous! English sucks, too bad it’s my first language and I don’t know any other ones well!
Maybe create a new letter... idk use an "ŭ"
“10 letters we dropped from the alphabet”
Me: ok so something like z”
*ok so t h o r n*
Blame the industrial revolution. “Þ” goes back all the way to the Elder Futhark “ᚦ” rune. English evolved with that sound built-in, so I wish we still had a letter for it.
bluesdealer
Do you understand humor?
@Lil Sizzurp corona
@Lil Sizzurp uuuhan
@Lil Sizzurp roast
English: *drops þ, æ, ð*
Icelandic: OURS NOW
OUR LETTER
OKKAR NÚNA
Yasni Mat Yasit S
cri cat all of those r phonics symbols eueueu
Oh yes.
Ah yes, my favourite pokemon trainer
Æ
man i watched this video years ago and have just now gotten it recommended to me
"putting two Us together"
W
Double...U?
Scribes: *_perfection_*
Double "U" UU VV. I think is should be double v
@@astronix2000 in French it is actually called "double V"
U+U = UU V+V =W
@@astronix2000 Well v and u used to be opposites. For example - loue and vse
@DIVIDE ET IMPERA same in Danish. Pronounced like "dobbelt-ve"
“Æ is unused”
X Æ A-Xii: *that’s offensive*
X Æ A-XII is Elon musks child name, thank you!
œ???
@@tyuuzolodj4182 it's used by french people
@@tyuuzolodj4182 Used by Baguette people
Ø å and æ
I think the letters X and V are rarely used in Indonesia.
X is often replaced with KS
V sounds almost the same as F.
Taxi -- Taksi
Aktivitas -- Aktifitas (Activity)
Even at the age of 17, I still don't know which one is right between AktiVitas & AktiFitas. Even autocorrect thinks both of them are correct. Lol
I know this is a 7 month old comment, but what's the point for Q?
It's only most commonly used in the word "Quran", I haven't seen it in any other words. It's almost like they just added Q in the alphabet to make the Indonesian Alphabet more similar to the Latin Alphabet
We use v actually
@@a_Playerwastakenwe use it for Arabic words
Chapter suggestions, because this is exactly the kind of video for which it doesn't make sense in the slightest to not have them:
0:00 - Intro
1:14 - ʃ (Long S)
2:27 - & (Ampersand)
3:15 - Þþ (Thorn)
4:11 - That [This one appears to not have any Unicode symbol]
4:33 - Ðð (Eth)
5:07 - Ææ (Ash)
5:42 - Œœ (Ethel)
6:10 - Ƿƿ (Wynn)
7:00 - Ȝȝ (Yogh)
7:37 - Ŋŋ (Eng)
8:24 - Outro
Letters that survived by hiding in different languages:
Æ Œ З & Ð Þ ŋ ƿ
Flux Carbs In which language?
James Urizar Well. I speak faroese, and we use Æ and Ð, and people from Iceland use thorn.
BeingElian UUOUU
@@SirMathBoi Russian still uses З з and Ю ю looks like thorn considering they come from greek this makes sense.
BeingElian ☭
Here in Norway, the alphabet ends like this: x y z æ ø å.
@@Karphya あ、い、う、え or ア、イ、ウ、エ
@@Karphya Oops, I wrote the beginning of hiragana and katakana.
Where I live is W,X,Y,Z
iN aMeRiCAiN, iT gOeS "wXyZ¹2³"
It's a joke, and the 123 us a reference to the alphabet song past Z, because they fill up space, because other language use other letters, the numbers fill up empty space
I still use ampersand when writing by hand, though not when typing. Ampersand simply makes writing quicker and easier, plus everybody understands it!
The long S: there’s a great joke surrounding that in episode two of Them Vicar of Dibley.’ 😆
i met someone named “Ræ” and some nerd emoji came over and said, “æ means ash, so your name is rash.”
Hand me some cash
Might need to dash
Spongebob's big birthday bash
I have a severe rash
I hate ræ’s
other people: æon
me, an intellectual: hA, gæ
Cicada Aesi lmaooo
mÿ tęxt įs głįtćhèd
@@eyemoisturizer śàmë
@@user-pw6wq5nq2h σαμε
ΣΑΜΕ
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@༆༼ッツ MaichoYunixx༽༆ Śæm
Could you please talk about the letter "a"? The letter "a" that we use in our keypads is not the same as we use when we write on papers. Thanks a lot. Very useful video.
The "α" you write on paper isn't A, it's Latin Alpha. The A you use on keypads is normal A.
Huh
Wow! I really liked þis video. I watched this the twentieð time
I remember as a kid I used to take "W, X, Y & Z" literally and I actually thought "&" came after Y and before Z. It's funny to know that I was actually close to right lmao
Nope, you weren’t right, Austin was wrong in that ampersand was never a letter
xD
Æ Œ
Fl you know what is the full form of IMHO is? Ans laughing my ass(your bum) out.
@@IDKWhattop66t Œ
5:35 the “Æ” is actually an “Ä” in German and its used very often.
And in Icelandic it sounds like [ ai ]
and in danish, “æ” is still a letter.
“æ” and “Æ” is just pronounced “A + E” (danish)
Dark_Umbreon æ os still a letter in Norwegian was well. It is pronounced like a long a here though (ex: ærlig
Okäy boomer
Elon Musk loves it apparently
Tell me please, what app or aps do you use for making such nice animations and transforms and transitions?
English:I Gotta Drop Þ, æ, ð
Icelandic:ITS MINE NOW
Ampersand is the only the alphabet Became a symbol & it is pronounced as "And"
I knew a girl named Aeden and she told me that her name was illegal because it was actually spelled Æden and that letter can’t be used on a birth certificate
My niece has that name!
how is the name Æden illegal
jeez people these dæs
yes i said dæs
blueberries are fruit daes is pronounced closer to despacito than days
+maipe tallis Some countries like Iceland still use that though so are we saying an Icelandic name would be illegal? I am not sure thats correct.
Well, if that letter can't be used on a birth certificate, then it isn't spelled that way. Simply.
Ethel: hi
Me: hi œ
Ethel: what is œ
Me: its ethel
uuuu (by that i mean uwu)
@@amal-_-8360 nah its WW
@@simpleanigamer1433 nauu
Riverdale? frk. Ethel
Actually œ is still used in french, like in sœur, cœur, fœtus, etc. But it's not a letter of the alphabet, just the way to write it, even though I think soeur, coeur and foetus are equally accepted
This video became my favorite removed letters video
I went searching for a video like this because I wanted to know where Xi went lol, got no answer but still worth it
is the long s related to the eszett? They seem similar in usage
what exactly does "and per se and" mean. Like are they saying something like "x, y, z, and, like the letter and" as in to clarify that they mean to end the sentence with "and" by saying referring to and "itself"? Thats really interesting that it was considered a letter. Did they have the other common language symbols back then like pound and at? Math and money symbols notwithstanding
Lol I love that the spoken "ye old" is just a misinterpretation. Why did they choose "ye" to replace "þ"? Why not like "lp" or something thats more reminiscent of the thing theyre replacing?
Wynn looks too much like something between D and P it's really not a clear symbol to jam into the language. I'm all for adopting stupid anachronistic charactersets just because I can, but that is one I will sadly be leaving out lol
lol if you try to pronounce the "gh" in daughter it basically just turns into the german "Tochter". I would like to see that weird 3 come back too, but it needs a new symbol and name. I think that sound is still alive in Bach, because its a name
Long s is indeed related to the eszett; in fact eszett was created from a ligature of long s with short s (or z in some cases)
Pretty much, yes, along the lines of "x, y, z, and "and" itself"
They chose y to replace þ because by that point þ had changed its shape somewhat and lost its ascender, so it legitimately looked a lot like the y. The modern þ is based on the Icelandic iteration of the letter
Wynn was ripped from the old Runic alphabet much like þ was, but it clearly hadn't lasted as long as the letter combo that would ultimately become W. And as cool as wynn looks, it's harder to parse, harder to type, and incredibly redundant
Yogh stood for a significantly bigger number of sounds than just the gh, often used instead of y at the beginning of syllables and even occasionally for w within a word. And no, the sound is pretty much dead in standard English; note that Austin simply could not pronounce it, instead pronouncing it as a hard k.
Fun fact: When Arabs started using latin keyboards, many of the sounds from Arabic were not possible with the limited latin alphabet, so they started using the digits.
ع غ ح خ ط ظ
which numbers are for which sounds as these are the ones that you cant really type with the latin alphabet
I'm an Arab and I didn't know that
@@Thenormalguy101here in lebanon we use
ع=3
غ=gh
both use h since you can usually guess from context and not many words that differ only because of these lettersهand ح
خ=kh
And ط andظ use t and th respectively for the same reason as ه andح
In addition the ء=2
It’s still a thing nowadays. We use digits which look similar to the Arabic exclusive letters
ع=3
خ=5
ح=7
ص=6
ء=2
@@jaffermahdi628 yeah pretty much, there's also 8 for غ and even 4 for ش for some reason. But sometimes we just use letters like dh for ظ Instead
The cæt ate a fœtus. That fœtus was my dauȝter
Heh. These are hard to use
yogh isnt a 3
Squishy Boi it’s the closest we have
I found it Ȝȝ
œ
❸
“Sadly, the confusion that it cause with the LETTER 3 😂
I love þ, It makes so much sense and should honestly be used more.
I'd like to bring Þorn back, though it comes with certain complications , like confusing it for some other words..
8 ßit
*hœ*
Diamond hœ
Coffee Mapping Diamond Ðick
Çøčķ
"You don' mess up, Ææron"
CheesecakeLasagna i’m a noob i know but how do you do that?
It is used quite a lot in french
æøå
Æ
Ææ
As a teacher of grades one and two, trying to teach kids to read, having a single letter for a sound rather than various combinations would be MUCH easier! I think English has terrible spelling. I would love to revamp it and make it totally simple like Spanish. It wouldn't be very practical now though as if it were like that then people with different accents would spell words entirely differently. Ah well.... If it had been done in the first place we probably wouldn't have all these different accents because the way things are written would tell us how to say them.
I agree. A more phonetic spelling system would make it so much easier for English-speaking children to learn to read and write. Italian children learn to read and write in much less time - less than a year, I think I've heard - compared to English-speaking children because Italian is pronounced almost exactly as it is written, and written almost exactly as it is pronounced. Likewise with other phonetically-written languages including Finnish, and probably even languages that are semi-phonetically written like French. But as you also say, it is probably now far too late to reform our spelling, and the vast geographical spread of its speakers around the world has introduced so many different accents that it would be a fool's game to try to decide which accent to represent phonetically in which word.
So basically, there are 2 kinds of THs in this world: Those that sound like a D, and those that sound like an F
So “You” Can now represent “You” and “Thou”? Neat!
Wait, does that mean that "you" is a byproduct of þ becoming y, with the old "thou"?
@@circumplex9552 Not necessarily, "you" and "thou" were always separate ("you" was meant for formal greetings and such while "thou" was informal) but the shift from thorn to "y" made it a little bit harder to differentiate between the two so people just stopped caring about the difference, which is why we only have one second person pronoun in English.
@@nameless2996 I thought it was also used to distinguish singular you (thou) from plural you (you all/y’all/youse)
@@redapol5678 y'all is likely a contraction of ye all from Scotland that was carried over to North America.
@@ericbarlow6772 fair enough. I’m Australian so our go to term for plural you is ‘youse’. We never say ‘y’all’, but ‘you all’ is possible.
Sees the "Ye Olde" is actually "The Old"
Everyone: *watches on CZcams*
Me: *watches on ThouTube*
Lol
I was kind of expecting him to mention that Þ still lives on in the Icelandic (and Faroese?!?) alphabet, just as ð and æ.
The Old=Ye Olde=Þe Olde
@@YLCCOfficial_Cowboyism that's what we established bitch
@@oytismand that is not true.
One lil’ extra about ampersand. I’ve made up a tiny lil’ rule when it comes to the full-word wannabe. Basically, you’d use ampersnad whenever you use more than one “and” in a sentence with ampersand being used for every “and after the first one, or if an “and” is used in the name of a tv show or a business or something like that. An example would be Tom *&* Jerry.
English: **stops using ð, æ, and þ**
Iceland: Don't Worry ð, æ, and þ, You Have A New Home
"Thorn, eth and ash are all dead letters!"
The Icelandic language: Am I a joke to you?
We need to reintroduce ðese letters into ðe længuage. Æt least I þink so.
The Capital version of Eth is used in Vietnamese.
What sort of keyboards are used in Iceland? Do they include keys for these letters, which I don't know how to write on the mobile phone I am using to write this?
@@legalvampire8136 No, the Icelandic keyboard basically just combines two keys to make these letters
Á É Í Ó Ú Ý
But there are some that are just for one key
Ð Þ Æ Ö
On a mobile phone keyboard, you have to hold in the letter A to type in the letters Á or Æ, E for the letter É and etc. For Þ, you have to hold in T, for Ð you hold in D and for Ö you hold in O
Þanks for explaining đat. I find it works on my mobilæ phone if I hold the keys down.
Me who speaks German & Icelandic: cries in ß Æ/æ Ð/ð Þ/þ
i thought Ð meant dogecoin
@@turbobrickslego nah, but then again, the dollar sign is just an S with a line $
how to get Đ low case
@MoolsDogTwo Uppercase ß doesn’t exist in the German alphabet since there is no use for it. The uppercase ß you posted here is just there to complete the Unicode font but is not in use anywhere.
@@AnAlbanianDude I only have it on the Icelandic keyboard so just paste it I guess.
3:29, well if it’s out of context, it will be “released by which of year”.
Fun fact: ß is also a long s but its only used in German and still exists today like in words like straße or shiße
Did you know:
ß (German "eszett" or sharp S) is the combination of long "s" and normal "s" into one letter.
& (ampersand) was originally a combination of the letters "et", spelling out the Latin word for "and". In the past, "&c" was a common spelling of "etc".
I actully agree þouȝ ƿið you if it ƿas a ðhiŋ
ß comes in many designs. ſ+s, ſ+z, ſ+ʒ, ſ+3, etc. And capitalized ẞ exists.
oh wow the eszet one's really cool
I like the eszett. i believe its name is a combination of "ess" and "zett." Duh. "Ess" for "S," and "zett" (or really tsett) being the German pronunciation of "zed," which is "Z." Since those are the sounds represented by "S," logically if you make a symbol for the combination of the two, you would combine the names.
ẞ
The French still use "œ" occasionally, in example the word "sœur" meaning sister
Un autre example es œuf, as in egg
Yes and Google has to autocorrect sœur for me during virtual school.
Yeah, a lot of my schoolwork was done on computers when I took French and we had no easy way of using “œ”. My teachers knew that, but I always found it ever-so-slightly annoying
@@landonrichards4434 Basically everyone just write it "oe" and computers correct it back to "œ" automatically, don't worry to much about it it's not important, really
God I love french
If the “GH” in Daughter wasn’t silent, it would be pronounced Doctor
Number 9 looks like the arabic letter ع and even makes a simlaer sound.
Ƿrittiŋ only uſiŋ old letterſ lookſ like ðiſ.
Its cool
'w'riti'ng' only u's'i'ng' old letter's' look's' like 'th'i's' as I Can translate letters
@@joseaguirre2356 *transliterate
shouldn't it be "þis"
so hard to read man
nobody:
English: let's take out yogh so we can't pronounce Arabic and Hebrew names
Like Jonah yoghanna
*Cries In Egyptian*
Is the 'yogh' why Menzies should really be pronounced Mingis?
M N A Studio *hi fives in egyptian*
יונה
The low pitch "oh contrere mon frére" cracks me up
Even just bringing back the "ŋ" would be cool, useful, and it kinda looks modern too. Look: Somethiŋ
But again the same problems come up
If I didn't watch this video I would probably think you wrote Somethin' instead of Something
How did you get "eng"!?
How did ya write it
in the way... mmmmmmmmm
Ñ
I always kinda wished sounds like "sh", "th", or "ch", had their own letters. I'd also love to see yog and eng make a comeback.
Oh, and I really dislike the letter c. It makes sounds that s and k already make.
th is the thorn and eth letters.
Lithuanians use Š š instead of sh
Look at the Esperanto alphabet.
yeah C's pretty useless, there's no sound it "makes" that isn't taken by other letters by default
the only thing it has "unique" is "Ch" for a unique sound...but it's a combo. Could easily be its own letter.
Imagine alphabet lore if these weren’t dropped from the alphabet
We need to give þ and wynn and all these other lost letters another chance
Yogh: I was dropped out of the alphabet cuz I look like a three
The letter O that looks like a zero: I don't have such weaknesses
5,S/1,I : did you miss me
б: You Fool
@You can eat in class!! lmao
@You can eat in class!! зззз
Ø?
“It’s just a D with a line through it!”
*laughs nervously in Vietnamese*
@J Kindness Yes
bruh
Đ
*laughs in Icelandic keyboard* ð is not đ
You mean this ----> "Ð"?
4:32 congrats! You single-handedly managed to insult every single letter with a diacritic!
In Germany we still have these letters in addition to the 26 alphabet letters like the sharp s "ẞ", Ä, Ö and Ü
Ä, Ö and Ü are basically an in between of Ae, Oe and Ue.
*"W, X, Y, Z, AND PER SE AND"*
Those poor Latin kids...
Jay Infinity And they say saying zed at the end is akward sounding.
I'm still wondering why they didn't just say W X Y & Z. It sounds so much better.
If they say W, X, &, Z sounds like you aren't saying & and rather saying and.
Virtal well you said and as an and still an and so it might be great i think
Esco Royale Ok cool... I think.
In Germany we still have the long s. It looks like this: ß/ẞ
Yes I know
Diego Negrete no both are same
@Diego Negrete No, ẞ is capital and ß ist lowercase.
Not still its pretty new it was added Like 25 years ago.
@@fettegurke2447 Ich mag deinen Namen
suprising that this was 5 years ago
Great video, it is quite intresting
well at least Spanish Has something that you guys don't have
*_Ñ_*
Also: ÁÉÍÓÚ ÏÖÜ
Ñ.
And portuguese has something Spanish doesn't have:
*Ç*
Istoeumapemba There is a language in Spain (Catalán, which is spoken in Barcelona) in which the ç is used
Filipino also has that.
Now behold this: Ë.
"Æ in the English language is dead"
Elon Musk "that's funny"
Ælon Musk
Ælon Musk
Ælon Musk
Ælon Musk
Ælon musk
“The combo gh is silent”
The word ghost: Am I a joke to you?
fonts can use the different kind of 3 so that there wont be any confusion for yogh.
1:15 The Long S
2:29 Ampersand
3:16 Thorn
4:11 That
4:35 Eth
5:07 Ash
5:44 Ethel
6:10 Wynn
7:01 Yogh
7:30 Eng
Ok &?
That one
Can someone write "thot"?
Thank you, I'm making a powerpoint on this and your comment is going to be VERY useful! 😀
"Đ"
I 👏 Just used something interesting 🤬🤬🤦
Fun fact: the order of the alphabet is completely arbitrary, and yet so many things depend on the order never changing, like lists numbered with letters instead of numbers.
Wrong- it’s in alphabetical order.
@@alfiej.armstrong4450 Wrong- it's in reverse reverse alphabetical order
If it has to do with the order of a Base System, it would be the 10 single numbers first and then the 26 letters last for the counting lists! 🙂
For fun, here is what each of the Base Systems look like …
Base 2: 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000, 1001, 1010, 1011, 1100, 1101, 1110, 1111, 10000, 10001, 10010, 10011, 10100, 10101, 10110, 10111, 11000, 11001, 11010, 11011, 11100, 11101, 11110, 11111, 100000, etc.
Base 3: 0, 1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 20, 21, 22, 100, 101, 102, 110, 111, 112, 120, 121, 122, 200, 201, 202, 210, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 1000, 1001, 1002, 1010, 1011, 1012, 1020, 1021, 1022, 1100, 1101, 1102, 1110, 1111, 1112, etc.
Base 4: 0, 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, 23, 30, 31, 32, 33, 100, 101, 102, 103, 110, 111, 112, 113, 120, 121, 122, 123, 130, 131, 132, 133, 200, 201, 202, 203, 210, 211, 212, 213, 220, 221, 222, 223, 230, 231, 232, etc.
Base 5: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 140, 141, 142, etc.
Base 6: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 120, 121, 122, 123, etc.
(I may get back to this soon)!
Actually it is not completely random. The order of the Roman alphabet is very similar to that of the Greek alphabet, and not dissimilar to that of Hebrew. The vowels are placed approximately every four letters. Remove letters added after the Romans and you have:
Abcd Efgh I(jk)lmn Opqrst (u)V(wxyz)
The Roman V was not the consonant we use it as today but the vowel sound "oo", so Roman V was a vowel. During the Dark Ages or Middle Ages people began to round the shape of the V when writing quickly, and eventually decided to treat rounded U and angular V as two different letters with two different sounds. They gave the vowel sound "oo" to U and made the angular V a consonant.
Possibly the reason why the last vowel, V, was placed at the end of the alphabet instead of 4 letters after O is that people felt it was satisfying to have one vowel at the beginning (A) and one at the end (V); but I'm only speculating there.
And as to who decided to arrange the vowels like that, and where to put the other letters, and how this very brainy person managed to get other people to agree with this order, I'm at a loss to know. Hebrew already had an alphabetical order in about 1000 BC when someone wrote Psalm 119, which works through the Hebrew alphabet letter by letter (you will see what I mean if you look it up - it's easier to see than to describe it here). The Greeks also had the concept that alpha was their first letter and omega the last (both of them vowels, interestingly), as we know from the fact that Jesus called himself "the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending" in Revelation 1:8.
@@stephenfennell Actualy V was a semivowel (in the IPA system, /w/)
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I'd actually be fine with 'Thorn' and 'That' coming back
But then it'll be spelled yorn and yat. and i also dont want to buy another keyboard.........
@@rubabaazfar no ðey ƿill be spelled þorn and ꝥ.
@@rubabaazfar ƿhy cant ƿe briŋ all of ðem bacc
Þ is probably the easiest one to bring back really but it'd be hard teaching people to tell it's lower and upercase versions apart Þ þ i mean the lower case looks bigger to boot
That is a thorn.
This guy is the cool, not annoying version of Bright Side
True
and factually correct
That's a fantastic way to describe this guy
That implies that you watch the commercialized garbage that is the Bright Side.
Yeah
I'm Brazilian, and fluent in English and recently I've been interested in Nordic languages, mainly Icelandic, that's where my first contact with letters took place Þ Ð, and in my honest opinion, English would be much better with these letters back in the language
Concordo e discordo...
Timestamps
1:16 "ſ" The Long S
2:28 "&" Ampersand
3:16 "Þ" Thorn
4:11 "Ꝥ" That
4:33 "Ð" Eth
5:07 "Æ" Ash
5:42 "Œ" Ethel
6:10 "Ƿ" Wynn
7:00 "Ȝ" Yogh
7:38 "Ŋ" Eng
Eng is on unifon now
@@Peppino26 yeah
Q will be next.
Grischa _ As a person being married to Quintina I am in your favor
I doubt it, if a spelling reform is enacted in one country the rest of the English speaking world wouldn't join, so you would end up with the split of English.
It would have to be removed gradually which would then mean there would be an agreed alternative...again not going to happen.
Robert Gilmour Great so I gotta get rid of my wife myself...
I'll have to change my gaming username! I love "q" its the best letter
QQ more noob
I þink we should bring it back
i þink so too. ð is dumb. þ is better. why even boþer use ð
Yeah
@@user-yg7iw3kb1m Yeah, ꝥ's really cool!
@@Atlas-yh6vg þis is surprisingly fun
@@user-yg7iw3kb1m &, what other interestiŋ letters do ye like?
That "is" like thorn but it has super flat forward slash on it
I have seen a couple articles that some orthographers & lexicographers want to add the schwa ǝ as the 27th letter of the American English alphabet, as it is one of the most common vowel sounds in the USA ....
I always wondered why Thorn wasn't kept. Like having a single letter for th just makes sense
It got T(h)ORN up.
Gutenberg
Though
Þough
@@mcnole25 þots
In Greek they have Theta θ
In french, the œ still used, here an example: sœur, but, you can use "soeur" too
Cœur
That's the one I thought of
I am not French, but I am learning it as my second language, here are two more words with œ
œuf (egg)
bœuf (beef)
Œil (plural: Yeux) is kinda weird.
However, Soeur is uncorrect, as It should be pronounced [soøR]. It should always be sœur.
@@tanline6662 Duolingo?
4:42 it’s still use in Vietnam just the shape of the capital
People in 2018: ok letters that were dropped from the alphabet Cool
People in 2022:LETTER DROPPED FROM THE ALPHABET LORE
Elon Musk: *watches this video*
Elon Musk: names son “X Æ A-12”
Juan Carlos Dau Actually it’s “Archangel 12”.
So not only does it not look like a name, it also looks nothing like how it should be pronounced.
Father-son-conversation between Elon Musk and his son: "Son, if your classmates are making fun of your name, it's not because your name is weird, it's just because your classmates are not smart enough."
Isn't that just Kyle
Yes my thoughts
last I heard, he could not register the birth certificate with letters outside of the 26 or use numbers unless it is an ordinal such as II, III, IV,... for a family name
The editing and animation gets better every time. Along with everything else on this channel
The channel keepſ gettiŋ better & better every DÆ
Very late but I'm pretty sure that eth is used for the D sound in Vietnamese and the letter D is used for Y sounds.
æ is still used in Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese as one of their letters
Au contraire, *mon frère*
It gets me EVERY TIME
Yup.
Omelette au fromage OwO
@@legrandluan Salut ananas
@@mahikannakiham2477
Bonjour ^^
hi.pineapple // gacha bonjour
"Yogh looks too much like a three."
Meaningwhile, capital i and lowercase L
I l
I-l
I = l
I l oh yeah ueu..
like it's SiIvaGunner not SilvaGunner
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