Nothing says "Your religion is man-made" like "The external pressure against our doctrine is getting intense. Oh look...a new revelation just came in."
Appears you are unaware of internal pressure such as the members in Brazil of uncertain descent, or the fact that many had said that Joseph Smith, the first LDS leader had not objected to the Elijah Abel's ordination to the priesthood: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Abel
And once gentiles were not allowed to join the early apostolic church. Caused quite a controvery at that time, but a revelation did bring it about: Acts 10-12.
@@PhdAAA The LDS only let black people hold any sort of place in the church when their tax-exemption was threatened. Joseph Smith looked at golden plates in a hat with a rock in it to translate the history of Native American Jews, I don’t think he’s very credible in the first place.
@@PhdAAA It's not that they weren't aloud. The issue just hadn't come up at that point because there hadn't been Gentile converts until then. And when it did, the revelation came about right away. If the early Church did it the way Mormonism did, they would have continue to deny Gentiles full membership and then conveniently had "revelation" if the secular Romans used their refusal to let them in against them.
Amazing how God just so happened to change his mind about hating black people at the exact same time the LDS tax-exemption was threatened if they didn’t allow black people to be in the church.
The white Mormon reasoning: We aren't choosing to be racist towards people of African descent, we are just following God's desire for us to be racist towards those people. We don't know why God wants us to be racist, only that he wants us to be.
@@davidfrey5654 The exact same reason that the teachings of Islam weren't preached to the inhabitants of the Americas over 2,000 years ago. Because these religions are man-made nonsense which do not hold up to critical thinking. But if you want to believe a family of Jews floated for nearly a year to the Americas nearly 3,000 years ago in airtight and watertight barges that were lighted with magical stones... well go right ahead.
@@davidfrey5654I thought it would have been obvious. Throughout the Old testament, God has made a covenant with the jewish people and have allowed them grace amongst others. But God did say that one day, the blessings and promises they have shall be given over to the gentiles. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy by first offering salvation to the jews and then to the rest of us. Though there had been instances where Jesus spoke to Samarians, Canaanites and those outside of the jewish culture. Ironically, Jesus's message was well received by non-jews while the majority of the jewish temples and people rejected Him, thus leading to His crucifixion. God has made numerous statements throughout the Bible that the jews have been a stiff-necked people all the way who have barely been faithful to Him, that is why Jesus made allusions and parables like the wedding guests, the seeds and so forth. Some jews even today reject Christianity and believe salvation is only something the jews are entitled to and no one elses. Racist doctrines still exist.
@@davidfrey5654Jesus did. He healed the Canaanite woman's child. He only preached in Israel, He did not withhold salvation from gentiles. And in the Old Testament, He still grafted gentiles.
Well my poor Fijian family you have been lied to... as well as the general public ... we're not even Polynesian but in fact Melanesian and our descendants originate from Africa so well done lol glad I left this cult years ago
Michael Steven Martin Cult? Momonism is a religion just like any other religion or a cult just like the bigger cults called Islam, Catholicism, or Protestantism. They all believe their sacred myths and have their sacred ceremonies and prophets. Mormonisms just has a more recent prophet and sacred book.
Michael Steven Martin When people try to tell me about how special jesus was i always liken him to Joseph Smith. I tell them that both of them were just failed prophets that had zealous followers willing to believe anything. I use Joseph Smith as an example to show how a man can be turned into a prophet/deity by his followers.
+Patrick TheBaptist They actually themselves do not refere to it as holy underwear. They do not consider them to have any magical powers whatsoever. they do take them off just like regular people take off their underwear. They are worn as a reminder of promises they make to god. Get informed before spewing false rumors.
TDB Ohh they take them off, off on leg then put the clean pair on that leg then remove the dirty pair from the remaining leg and the finish putting the new ones on. Then on said garment is the reprobate masonic swastika.
TDB It's you that hides your true identity and has no content of your own, everyone around will know it is YOU that is the troll and that is how you turn and stick your tail between your legs and run off when called out trying to lie for the moron, oopps mormon (which in Chinese means "gates of hell" LOL) cult, founded by the luciferian freemason joey smith, well know liar, figures you follow him.
Jesus himself was black. Adam was black ( he was made of dust or mud). The whole Bible is a historical book of Blacks!!! Therefore, the priesthood according to the Bible ( Black people's book), belongs to Hebrew Israelites who are Black. In 2012 Gerd Muller discovered that the garden of Eden is between Ethiopia and Eritrea. It is the pink Adam and Eve who need to be explained to world that is so blind that they don't understand. Before Europeans came to Africa with Bible, most African Bantu communities were holding religious rituals that were 1:1 as the old testament. They were also circumcising their sons as is written in the Old Testament. The reason why they lost it is explained in Deut.28:15-65. These were prophetic curses that were to be befall Hebrew Israelites if they didn't obey their God. And these is evident with the Blacks in America today who originated from Bantu communities in Africa.
Racism isn't the most appalling crime in all this. It's the way they weren't owning up to their own bigotry and instead placed the blame on The Lord. How could you claim to be a child of God and continue on in the church after doing something like that?
The priesthood ban bothers me somewhat, but what bothers me more is saying that segregation is of God, and the theories of the curse of cain and black skin. Would have been better if they just said that they didn't know the reason for the priesthood ban instead of making theories and rumors about it, like those of black african descent not being faithful, or being less valiant in the premortal world, which I don't believe is even in the scriptures. As horrible as it is, The Book of Mormon is true. Thats what helps anchor me.
Busta Busta...well if you back at politics and race....most blacks years ago were Republican and at one time (when it was allowed and to my surprise) held legislative seats in southern states as Republicans....but around the time civil rights era was in full bloom southern white democrats were displeased with what a southern democratic president did...(Lyndon Johnson) in signing that bill back in the 60's and in his words he mentioned that they (the democrats) will lose a lot of people due to it....so that is why we also see so many blacks that are democrats and white southerner and in rural america are republicans...in time, views and ideas seem to flip flop.
No kiddin'. Did you know that they are the largest landowner in Florida (outside the government)? I never read in the Bible where God told His people to amass huge plots of land. We are supposed to be cutting our ties with worldly things, not clinging to them.
+fearlesscrusader- why does your crowd never mention the billions of dollars spent by the Church each year for disaster relief alone. not to mention our record of humanitarian works. Do think that doesn't cost money- that we just grow it on trees- now that would be a miracle. We grow or make it, gather it, get it ready, fly it where its needed before anyone else barely gets in gear, and we distribute it- and in distributing it we also find others we can help (and you don't need to be a member or invite the missionaries over)- and then we teach the sufferers long term solutions if we are allowed. The electricity of our buildings also costs money, as does their building, maintenance and upkeep. We pay property taxes (though we could get out of the) on our religious structures, and we pay all taxes on any non-exempt businesses the Church owns while other churches hide business revenues under religious exemption. Remember what Jesus said was true religion (look it up), or Ask the Missionaries!
@@blakess4630 Preach brother! Their hearts are set on hate, looking past anything good the Church has contributed. Do believe they pray on our downfall, which is not very Christlike since we have done NOTHING to them. Why do they hate us? Cuz the Church is true! The prophecies are being fulfilled everyday.
Throughout history of God and man the priesthood was always limited as to its membership. For example, with the Children of Israel only the Levites held the priesthood and fortunately today all worthy male members can receive this priesthood. The power of this priesthood is not in who holds it but the ordinance that can be preformed through it. For example only men with the priesthood can baptize but its not the man who baptizes that receives the blessing but the one getting baptized and that is the exact same for men and women.
It's a Mormon Multiverse. Once you dig deeper ... It's exactly that. Belief in millions of God's. The God of this planet , Elohim, was once actually a man that achieved Godhood through the teachings of Mormonism on another planet. He has sex with Mary and had a son named Jesus. Jesus had sex with woman ... Was a polygamist. Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. I mean ... The intergalactic drama wreaks of a young Joseph Smith smoking a whole lot of shrooms.
What wasn't made up by the charlatan was plagiarized from other sources. Mormons still invested in this money-loving corporation should read the CES letter before they waste any more of their life on a fraud.
This is just surreal. I always wonder what I would think if I was a Mormon at that time. Well, probably I would leave the cult just like I did 5 years ago anyway.
@@fearandloathing9976 I sure don't love the occult cults that lead people to hell. What do you think a Christian is, a person that pats you on the back while you have been lead astray and grins while your soul is damned? That isn't a Christian, it's a tare.
Patrick Baptist No, that’s a straw-man actually. But here’s some stuff from your book: “Let all that you do be done in love.” “Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.” “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” Etc etc etc. You should probably show some brotherly love to Joseph Smith instead of reveling in his supposed eternal torment.
@@fearandloathing9976 Smith wasn't ever my brother to begin with, he was a liar and taught of another "jesus". Paul warned of his kind Galatians 1 " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Christians are to love the living, but we are not ever taught to love doctrines of devils, nor hide the people that teach them, but rather Romans 16 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." You have no clue what a Christian is or what you speak of. You are a very hateful and deceitful person. Nothing to love about joey smith, he is screaming in hell right now, I pray you not join him. Telling you the truth is love, unlike yourself who tries to deceive a person into loving lies, how wicked.
It's funny how they show the black Polynesian's faces but you don't see them actually speaking. They used voice-overs...probably someone else's voices.
It's so patently false. Black skinned OK, but not if African. "Reasons not fully known to man, but known to the Lord." Until changed shortly thereafter by "revelation." I'd worship a dumb but warmhearted human before I'd worship a "God" who operated this way. We need to grow up and leave this church.
This attitude is reflected in Joseph Smith's first literary work, the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed that in 1827, on a hill in upstate New York, a heavenly being delivered into his hands a long hidden record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas. Over the next three years Smith worked on his translation of the record, assisted by various scribes and then returned the ancient plates to the messenger (see History of the Church, vol. 1, by Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1978, pp. 18-19). After convincing a neighbor to help finance the printing, Smith published his work in 1830, titled the Book of Mormon. This record tells the story of a group of Israelites who fled Jerusalem about 600 B.C. and came to America. They soon divided into two groups, the righteous Nephites, who were "white," and the wicked Lamanites, who were cursed with "a skin of blackness." Part of the rational for God making the wicked "dark" was to insure that they were less "enticing" to the righteous "white" people: And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 12:23). And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing . . . wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 5:21). Behold the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins . . . (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5). O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought before the throne of God (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:8). And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, . . . who were just and holy men . . . and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemuel, and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmaelitish women. And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that [p. 7] thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions . . . (Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6). Towards the end of the Book of Mormon one of the righteous leaders, Mormon, declares that in the last days the gospel will again be taken to the Lamanites that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry (Book of Mormon, Mormon 5:15). The Lamanites purportedly destroyed all of the Nephites in battle approximately A.D. 400, thus leaving only the dark skinned people in the land. While the Book of Mormon states that God "denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free" (2 Nephi 26:33), it still embraces a racist concept that dark skin is a curse from God.
So the Lamanites are todays indigenous people? I feel like the BOM belongs more to the indigenous people than the anglo people but sadly mormonism in general has been white washed for most of its existence. Before joining a faith do some research first because most missionaries don't know the full history of their religion or have been denied getting access knowledge of previous book editions that still exists. If the books say or said something about skin color that is considered degrading, then don't join the religion.
@@petrovtiganu9904 This is a myth. The Book of Mormon doesn’t contain Africans, and neither Joseph Smith, nor any other LDS prophet has taught that Africans lived in ancient America. Joseph Smith also said that it wasn’t a reference to race. The policy actually was derived from a very brief passage in the Book of Moses (another LDS book of scripture). It’s truly a despicable stain on the history of the Church.
The "skin of blackness" was some kind of Hebrew expression, that has parallels all over the place in the ancient world. Here's more information on it: czcams.com/video/eO7LpBw5y58/video.html
Some African men did receive the Mormon Priesthood when Joseph Smith was alive. Joseph knew about it and did not object to it. The restrictive policy of not ordaining African men to the priesthood was from Brigham Young. There is no recorded revelation that restricted priesthood in the latter-days. Brigham Young provided physical characteristics to identify those who were restricted, such as having a flat nose. There existed doctrines from other Christian churches of that era about the Bible's description of the mark of cain and what that meant. In Mormon Scripture, there is a verse that was speaking about the time of the Pharaohs, and that African men were stating that they had the priesthood when in fact they shouldn't because of their lineage. Later Presidents of the Church expected a revelation to end the restriction, rather than just changing the policy. This revelation occurred in the 1970s when Spencer W. Kimball was President. Some believe that this was a reaction to political pressure from the then President of the US, Jimmy Carter. The rumor says the issue was the Church's tax exempt status (if you want to keep it, change the policy about African men being restricted from the priesthood). Although the change has occurred, the African community of all nations are still wary of the LDS Church. It may take decades, perhaps centuries, to finally heal this rift.
Colin Patterson You should keep in mind that Brigham Young, Joseph Smith and all their cronies were racist. At this point the conditions are worse than complicated, as so many colored people have intermarried white Mormons of good will who were also very upset against their own people, in the horrendously white supremacist state of Utah. Many white Mormons are leaving the religion where they were born and grew up, to wander around in the circles of atheism and humanism, since they don't find peace in the convoluted environment that the racist history of Mormonism brought up to them, historically. These white people are suffering for the odds that not themselves but their ancestors and culture have caused. For those who were not born Mormons, the return to their religions of origin comes in a smooth way, because they do have friends and culture to relate to. That is what happened to me when I discovered the Journals of Brigham Young and at that point I understood the nature and reason of the Virgin of Guadalupe, a black virgin in the Catholic religion where I was raised up. But, for those who do not relate in their childhood having been raised into a different religion where they may resort to in the case they face the contradictions of Mormonism, the stronghold fails, causing enormous pain and suffering to people who are not guilty of having been born and raised in the fanatical white supremacy of the traditional Mormon Church. For this reason, I strongly suggest you to consider compassion as the only spiritual tool that should allow all of us, no matter what color, to realize that even in the event that a religion was created and made by men who had their own shortcomings and prejudices, the people of this generation who are born and raised inside Mormonism are as vulnerable as the people "of color" when they face the contradictions that are contained in a religion that is desperately trying to make things right, in spite of all the historical wrongs. Please let keep this in mind and try to separate your anger and disagreement with the incoherences of the dogma, from the persons of all colors that are suffering today as much as any person of color does, at the confrontation of the wrongs that racism has brought to each of us through a religion that was evidently monitored by the racist hatred of those who created it. The quest is now not for destruction but for reformation. Let me give you one example of Reformation: Martin Luther, creator of the Lutheran Church in Europe, wrote most vicious statements against the Jews. Yet, the Lutheran Church has apologized and corrected their purpose and calling, so that today one can rest assured that when contacting a Lutheran reverend, the anti-Semitic part will have been recognized and corrected. The same has happened in the history of Catholicity, as we all know that some of the Catholic Popes were terrible sinners who used the religion to advance their egoistic ambition. Yet, the Catholic Church has recognized these errors and even the Popes today admit that not all Popes have been right. Let us pray for the Mormon Leaders to find Intelligence and come to similar conclusions in the treatment of the incoherences of their own human history. But, let's not blame them into total accusations, because they are not guilty of being born in that locus of history where they are at. Below the Luther's quotes that should give you an idea of how wrong the religious leaders can become, gathered under this link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html [Beginning Quote] The following are excerpts from Luther's work entitled "The Jews & their Lies": I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen. * * * He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today. * * * Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools... * * * Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people ... their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain. * * * Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments... * * * Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer selfglory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them. * * * Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as archthieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security. * * * However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath. * * * If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies that is, longer than two thousand years. * * * ...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith. * * * Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts? * * * Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie. * * * No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants. * * * ...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them! * * * Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones. * * * I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safeconduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience. * * * Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew. * * * However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly * * * Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy. * * * Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. * * * What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice: First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted) Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach. Fifth, I advise that safeconduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted). Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause. Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants. * * * But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God. * * * Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward. * * * I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated. " * * * My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen. [End Quote] The Council of the Evangelical Church's intercultural relations has apologized with the Jews: www.elca.org/Faith/Ecumenical-and-Inter-Religious-Relations/Inter-Religious-Relations/Jewish-Relations
Amravín de Schur Thanks...reading Luther's writings against the Jews was informative....Yes compassion must be part of the mix...and at the same time a firm rejection of any attempts to reform Moroni
@@ronlee7261 it's sad to see white people still holding on to racism after the harm they have already done around the world. Wow when will enough be enough for you people?
No problem if you dont want to be a mormon priest black shouldn't let their disapproval or anger stop them from learning about other people in the world and our own identity. We dont hate Mormons we love God and food and pro creating and helping people trying to be harmonious with all people who are truthful and we understand that life is an opportunity to love, but we realise others see it as a chance to make money and get more power so we celebrate our ancestors for enduring inequality hatred and lies as the truth, the mormons have a right to choose their priests we have the choice to not become mormons.
the thing is its not that blacks could not join the church they could,but they were just not ready yo hold the priesthood as yet so we where in the church basically ,heavenly father has a reason for every thing we should try to understand that
Im so glad i got away despite being raised in this cult. Still sad that my parents are blind to truth. Im convinced some people find it easier to live in a self deluded state than to try and improve their life.So busy building mansions in heaventht they neglect their homes on earth.
if blacks are allowed then that means Brigham Young was a big fat false prophet.. "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
Read through the comments on this board between myself and deerjerky dave as well as the question posed to Sarah K. You deserve to know what it is that you are really defending. I'm not sure if you are aware. Many Mormons have not confronted the realities.
My comment goes for all religions period! Blacks should not be a part of any of them and we will never be free until we divest ourselves of them all and start thinking for ourselves.
All ways remember this it’s on the history channel should b on the books for kids for school that the black man sold his people to the White settlers remember that it wasn’t the white man at first was your own that sold u first remember that
A key characteristic of cult leaders - unabashed arrogance. It's only enemy is cultural pressure and hitting them in their pockets. The threat of the loss of tax-exempt status and losing members' monies is their biggest fear.
Excuse my husband is Melchizedek Priesthood Authority and he is African Kenyan. His name is Titus Masaku. I still love him for being my spouse as he passed away.
The ban ended in 1978. Therefore your husband can hold the priesthood. But the church leadership has not rescinded or rejected the following supporting claims that were repeatedly made by Church Presidents, apostles, and First Presidency statements in support of the ban: (a) Cain's skin was darkened to indicate cursing, (b) Cain's descendants have dark skin, (c) Lamanite (Native American) skin was darkened as an indicator of cursing, (d) skin color has been lightened/darkened by God as an indicator of cursing or good/bad character, (e) people with dark skin were less faithful in the pre-existence by failing to side with Jesus against Satan. Sources are available upon request. Maybe you should know the theology and history of the church you defend.None of that is intended to take away from the memory of your husband - let's assume he was a good man and I'm sorry for your loss.
It is likely she may be telling the truth. The LDS Church has grown in Africa and among many Africans. In many cases the converts know nothing (at least at first, if they ever learn) about the racism within LDS theology and history. It is very possible that Christina Ostil might not know about the racist history and theology. Recruiting in Africa has the following benefits for LDS as a church: (a) growth in membership numbers which has always been very important to church leadership, (b) it is a cover that allows the LDS Church to claim that there is no racism within the church, even as it fails to address core problems that remain. The LDS Church and its defenders can say "see, we have increasing diversity in membership" whenever anyone points out problems such as I just did. When racism is seen as merely something exhibited one-person-to-another then it is also possible for Chrsitina to point to a lack of cruelty experienced in the church by her husband (and this again may be the case). But when it is seen as something broader and systemic then we need to look at the type of systemic issues I brought up in my response to her.
The Mormon God and the Living Prophet have had communication problems in the past. An example of this occurred in 1978 when the RACIST Mormon God and the "Living Prophet" at the time. Spencer Kimball, had a discussion about blacks and the priesthood. It turns out the RACIST Mormon God was not very happy with Spencer for giving blacks the priesthood. During their conversation, the poor hearing Spencer, thought the RACIST Mormon God said: "Give the blacks the priesthood". However what the RACIST Mormon God actually said was "Get the blacks back in their neighborhood".
I think no mormons have responded because the pun wasn't that funny. It might be because he was portraying God as racist, which seems distasteful. The phrase that were supposed to have been a misinterpretation of the original statement are not similar enough to be considered a good word pun, IMHO
Larry Summers Well the Mormon God is definately racist and portraying the truth is always in of itself tasteful as far as Black people are concerned....and still no Mormon responds...The fact that the Mormon god is racist shows that he/it is not the true god of Black people...Black people come out of her or share in her plagues!!
God communicates in mysterious ways and throughout the history of Mormonism some communication problems have occurred between the Mormon God and the Living Prophet. The first example of these communication problems started with Joseph Smith and the Mormon God. The result of this misunderstanding between the two is how the title of the book that became the center piece for Joe's new religion came to be. Joe came up with the name "Book of Mormon" immediately following a conversation with God, during which Joe told God about the story of the gold plates. After he finished telling God the story of the gold plates Joe was certain God responded to his story about the gold plates by shouting the words... YOU MORMON, YOU MORMON, YOU MORMON!"
Brigham Young second President and Prophet: You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. . SOUNDS EQUAL TO ME BOSS!
I've noticed within the past 5yrs in my area, their Missionaries are no longer avoiding our doors or running away when they see us answer the door. That's all it used to take for them to quickly & quietly leave and never return. Lately, they attempt to fellowship me and have even invited me to attend a service. I have seen their old school animated video on the origin of our race, and I know how they view us. I'm just confused on where this change came from, because it still has me scratching my head.
I been doubt of all religions. I can understand someone having a need, calling, sense of fullfulment. Some claim they received answers from prayer. I haven't. Tried, once believed even when nothing came of it. I find inspiration from within, my belief that in order for all to live among each other, a morality is needed, a social morality. I meditate. So many ask my advice on life issues, yes, the religious, and they know I'm not religious.
I have seen several comments claiming that God is racist based on writings in the holy books. This is hard to deny. The central theme of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is that God gave Abraham exclusive rights to a large tract of land. Then Abraham's descendants fight over it because it is not clear who the "rights" pass to as people die. The Jews came back from Egypt 400 years later to claim their land, and there is nothing said about a "statute of limitations", and God commands them to kill all living things currently in that land. Since God does not provide a universal "title holding" company to reconcile this, the only motivation that humans can see is racism. Stating that Gods ways are beyond our comprehension is not satisfying. All one can do is accept this on faith. For me, this and things like it leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Joseph Smith was racist not God.. And hath made of *one blood all nations of men* for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;... And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, *My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer* ? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
RamDaRealist .“Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270)Reply ·
dee hee TROLL ALERT. "Dee Hee" in the urban dictionary means "A term that is used to call someone when they are either being stupid, are stupid, or have recently done a stupid thing.". THIS PERSON SAYS OUTRAGEOUS THINGS ABOUT MORMONS JUST TO GET A REACTION. IGNORE HER
No it didn’t come from the Lord Jesus Christ. It was man alone who refused this order simply through racism where there is no evidence to support their claims in scripture because God does not hold grudges only man. If any man shows repentance and comes unto him they are worthy before God.
Explaining away bigotry, claiming it is sanctioned by a creator. Sounds exactly like every other conservative who has walked the earth. In MY lifetime, anyway.
one of the first words was "successfully recruited" ... it's every secular person's suspicion that behind the kindness and compassion there is another motive -- namely, "successful recruiting"!
Mormonism explained: 1. A young treasure hunter with a history of being a con man was chosen by a deity to dig up ancient golden plates, translate them by use of some carnival sunglasses and magic rocks, beg for the money to publish it, and then deliver said plates to an angel that took the plates back to Disneyland. 2. God has a wife, Mrs God? If Mormons on Kolob are supposed to have an infinite number of wives, why does God only have a single wife?czcams.com/video/fyl-68PrYVk/video.html 3. Sacred Underwear has magic powers. czcams.com/video/6cbfgmorIGE/video.html 4. Reformed Egyptian existed as a language leaving no archaeological traces. 5. Old White dudes in Salt Lake City receive? direction from a Deity on Planet Kolob.czcams.com/video/qfBBcqkaewY/video.html 6. An ancient civilization existed in the Western Hemisphere consisting of Lamanites and Nephites in a limited geographical area that hasn't been found. 7. Joseph Smith's wife caught him having sex with another woman and he told her that God commanded him to have many wives. Mrs Smith believed him. Mrs Smith certainly wasn't the brightest penny in the pile! 8.Blacks were banned from the? Mormon priesthood because they remained neutral in the Great Celestial War !?! However, in 1978 God telephoned the head of the LDS and removed the ban on blacks. This, of course, had nothing to do with the Federal Government's threat of the LDS losing its tax exempt status for being a bigoted organization violating basic US civil rights. 9. Both Ann Frank and Adolf Hitler are of the same religion as they have both been posthumously baptized in the Mormon religion. In Mormon heaven, aka Planet Kolob Jews and Nazis live together in loving peace. 10. Actually the Mormon men are too busy to fight as they have to copulate with their infinite number of celestial wives. Every copulation leads to the creation of a human soul. 11.Joe Smith also wrote that the moon is inhabited by people dressed like Quakers: www.mrm.org/moon-men I don't know why the Apollo missions didn't encounter these moon men. These 11 topics are only what I could write from memory. Please correct me if any of these facts are erroneous.? If Mormons are named after the "Angel" Moroni, then why don't they call themselves Morons? I can't claim credit for this last statement as it came from "Angels in America." However, it's so good that I had to use it. :-) See you on Planet Kolob! I'm hieing to Kolob right after I finish writing this. PS Brigham Young the Moron prophet had 55 wives all under 18 years of age when he married them. He was found of saying, "I don't care how you bring 'em as long as you bring 'em young!" PPS Where's the Inquisition when we need it!?! The Church of Moron admits that Joe Smith had a 14 year old wife and married women who were already married: www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/mormon-joseph-smithteenbride_n_6054272.html You Mormon wives, you devil's whores! Fester with your filthy sores! czcams.com/video/Yl-ihBl6B-A/video.html PPPS This video compresses the Church of Moron history to less than 9 minutes: czcams.com/video/n3BqLZ8UoZk/video.html whilst this video does it in less than 7 minutes: czcams.com/video/06jF1EG8o-Q/video.html PPPPS Joseph Smith has a rather long rap record that spans four states. What kind of god would pick someone so dishonest as Joe Smith to be its prophet? www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system www.utlm.org/newsletters/no68.htm
Thanks for digging this up. And it still goes on for all women up until today and likely for a long time more to come. That's religion for you, hardly ever rational.
well I can explain that very easily. it's called freedom. if I want to start my own club it's my right to allow in whoever I choose. of course the Mormons are wrong here but still it's about freedom and not having someone else tell you what you can and cannot do or what you can and cannot say. fuck that. that is called communism.
3DFLYLOW Yes we should all be able to believe what we want, until we violate the rights of others. How many more people have to die before humanity realizes what it is that divides the world and creates enemies out of nothing?
+BradK According to Federal Law private institutions have the right to discriminate unless they have a contract with the Federal Government. No girls in the Boyscouts. No men at Curves. I agree it is disgusting. But it is the law.
It never ceases to amaze me that all these cult religions claim that their leaders have 'God's ear' ... and what's more, he always tells them exactly what they want to hear ... astonishing, isn't it?!
why would you want to be a part of a religion or a cult that never liked you in the first place and had to be persuaded to change their views on black people just don't it's c
People that subscribe to religion are not rational people. This is the crux. If reason and rational thinking worked on people that believe in this shit then none of them would believe in any of this shit.
the guy was an attorney, whom are usually well what else can I say.. and in top of that was an alcoholic.. and if you look into there history... its just shy of fully demonic. so anyone especially people of African heritage (because they only now allow them in do to the fbi's threat in the 1970's) who decide to join them are just shy of fully functional idiots.
Ironically, Pacific islanders where were recruited by the Mormon church have now moved in large numbers to the Salt Lake area, there, they are increasingly involved in gang violence and other crimes. Today, black men can (and do) hold office in the LDS church, overturning the interpretation of Joseph Smith's original thoughts on the matter. That, also ironically, is also one of the main failures of the Mormons as an organized body. In the Bible, which they claim to hold sacred, Jesus says that He's the same yesterday, today and forever. His role in the Mormon church is drastically different than the role the Bible describes for Him. The role of God, HIs Son and His TRUE church, governed through council with God's Holy Spirit, are always unchanging. Styles, attitudes and opinions of man changes frequently. If nothing else, you must recognize that God is consistent. So is His message. Groups like the Mormons, like the Masons, from which Smith formed most of his ritual doctrine (like the silly handshakes, magical underwear, and hand gestures supposedly necessary to get into heaven), the Jehovah's Witnesses, and similar large cults all share common attributes. They were all started by a human being (usually, but in not all cases, a man), this person's word is literally taken as "the gospel truth," rules are established, ritual, ceremony and conduct created, then changed, as required by the fashionable opinions of the day. Forming a genuine and lasting relationship with Christ is, as so very many have said, the only genuine road to eternal salvation and ultimately, happiness. Large cults, with massive amounts of income, spend that money annually in the billions to promote their distinctive "takes" on who and what God is. They are all wrong. You'll find God in the first chapters of the book of John, in the Psalms, the Proverbs, and in your heart. Christ Himself warned that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing capable of leading even the elect away from the true, and only, God of the Universe. Joseph Smith, and his followers, are such men. Check out these videos by Mormon's who saw the literal "light," and left the LDS church when they recognized the fallacy of Joseph Smith's entire purpose: czcams.com/video/ocAjdgCdLnA/video.html czcams.com/video/fCP8lCQ8yQA/video.html czcams.com/video/nj9uLK-Z1MM/video.html czcams.com/video/3WNLt1FeyZI/video.html czcams.com/video/qwLviskWpyY/video.html czcams.com/video/n3BqLZ8UoZk/video.html czcams.com/video/-VKT4hrBTuk/video.html
On the CONTRARY, "Essenceofthemahog," I was deeply involved with Jehovah's Witnesses for over a decade. I have EVERY publication they put out, spoke for humdreds of hours with members, and am still intelligent enough to realize (and have realized from the beginning) that the entire farce is a man-made cult, nothing more, nothing else. When I first got involved with the Watchtower Society, i was given a redacted Holy BIble, and was told it had been re-written by "the three smartest people in the world." That BS was enough to steer me in the right direction. I asked, "how do we know these were the 'smartest' people? Was it there SAT scores, MENSA membership maybe?" The answer, of course, is that the claim, like EVERY claim made by Watchtower adherents, is pure bull excrement. "Jesus wasn't involved in politics?" Really? What, exactly, do you think the whole episode of overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple was about? The moneychangers were politically affiliated with the Pharisees, the POLITICAL governing body of the local Jewish people. Jesus destroyed their set-up, decrying the fact that they'd turned God's place of worship into a marketplace of thieves - much like the modern churches and political halls of today. I have read, edited, and written a great many books over the last 45 years, many on these very topics. Your suggesting that i get my information from CZcams would be laughable if not so incredibly stupid. The bottom line is this, the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons are cults who share the same manmade nonsense conjured up in upstate New York's "burned over district" in the early 19th-Century. There are LOTS of books written on the subject. Perhaps it's time YOU got off of CZcams, and visited a library or bookstore.
As a former Mormon Bishop and member of the Church for over 32 years, I have come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. He had placed before my wife and I five years of spiritual and emotional trials, so that we may better know His grace. The most enlightening and rewarding action a member of the Mormon Faith can do is precisely what they have been told to do: “Study the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Prophets of the Restoration”. From my personal family experience, one of the most dangerous elements of coming to know that the LDS Church is false,
Dog Wott sorry you are stupid and follow a soothsayer who married his followers wives. God sent the Gospel to Ethiopia and is no respecter of persons.....I am talking about the only True God of the Bible not the MORmON gOD.
+dee hee Was a room temperature IQ among those trials. Or just a dangerously low level of empathy towards your fellow man? It's so patently false. Black skinned OK, but not if African. "Reasons not fully known to man, but known to the Lord." Until changed shortly thereafter by "revelation." I'd worship a dumb but warmhearted human before I'd worship a "God" who operated this way. We need to grow up and leave this church.
@@drdetroitcity what dee hee implied was after heartful study of the BoM and the false doctrines, the HOLY SPIRIT freeded him and his family from the satanic cult.
This actually is an old belief. African American men are now allowed to hold both priesthoods and have high positions in the general authority and below. Please do not confuse people with old ideas. The church does not think this any more.
first lie is they have an unpaid clergy. The top 152 leaders are paid $259,000.00/year as a "stipend". Plus they all have access to multi-million dollar expense accounts, plus the church pays for all their travel, food, lodging at the best 5 star hotels, restaurants, plane tickets, etc. The rank and file members pay 10% of their gross income as tithing. As of today the church, instead of giving these consecrated tithing funds to charity have horded and stock-piled over $150 BILLION in the Ensign Peak Advisors Fund. The church was just fined $5,000,000.00 by the SEC for hiding their billions in 13 layers of shell companies and not filing their 13F form required by all entities worth more than $100,000,000.00. One of the conditions of the settlement with the SEC was the church has to reveal how much the church leaders were paid.
All they had to do was look at Acts 10:34, 35 to see that all men who do God's will are acceptable in His eyes. I wonder why they didn't recognize that until 1978...oh, that's right; LDS writings are given supremacy over the Bible. That's the last place they'd look.
"We are grateful that this one survey reveals that about 90 percent of the temple marriages hold fast. Because of this, we recommend that people marry those who are of the SAME RACIAL BACKGROUND generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background" ETERNAL MARRIAGE STUDENT MANUAL Copyright 2003
Joseph Smith did not record the ‘official version’ of his ‘First Vision’, as now used by the Mormon Church, until the year 1838, and it wasn’t even published until 1842, some twenty-two years after his supposed experience.
"But Jesus did not answer a word. So His disciples came and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “ I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Sounds like Jesus was a racist. He forbade the gospel to be preached to the gentiles while he was alive. Or was it wisdom in him and only he knew the reason.
@@davidfrey5654 Isa. 55:1-7 is the Gospel 1st said. Verse 55:5 prophesy it will be taught to the Children of the Desolate not Isreal. Isa. 54:1 Dan. 9:26 " After 7 week and 62 weeks Messiah shall be cutoff and shall have nothing". It was a prophesy that HE came for the nation of Israel but ascended with nothing but a few thousand Jews and Gentiles in belief. You lie when you claim he didn't preach the Gospel to everyone who thirst, what does that make you? You come in here painting your GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST a racist for fulfilling the Law and all that the prophets wrote about HIS 1st visitation. You throw JESUS under the bus for an adulterat stone seers conjob. You are one anti-CHRIST Mormon cult member vowed to "the power of Lucifers priesthood". Will will be buried in his green apron?
This man is absolutely correct, and despite what some modern "scholar," and I use this term lightly, have stated, this is what Joseph Smith himself stated: "I can say that the curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan, neither will it be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come." There may be a 1,000 other comments by other prophets and apostles that confirm this! And NO modern prophet or apostle has said anything whatsoever to directly state that all the revelations were false! Only one fool, Dr. Reeves, who is not a prophet or apostle has stated that the church "DISAVOWS" these teachings of the past, but the word disavow has two meanings and ind is not that something is not true, but simply that one just wants to wash his hands of the whole matter! And, the leaders of the church, of course, know this, and in their wisdom they let the paper be published, and good has come from that decision since many ignorant were happy to hear that! I wrote a response to that essay to the CES and got a very favorable response from them, which I will not make public, but I will tell you that Satan has tempted me greatly to make my essay public so that I could get great honor from it, but I am not important and the church is very important so I refused to make it public since I honestly believe that it would do more harm than good, but I testify to whomever reads this that everything, with very rare exceptions, such as the Adam-God theory which the leaders have corrected later, are ALL true, both the prophets apostles in the early part if this last dispensation as well as the modern ones! People may not understand them all and many will say that some were not politically correct, but they are TRUE!!!
A lot of Latter-day Saints have struggled with this policy by the Church, both during its existence and after. The historical record shows that Joseph Smith was aware of African men receiving the priesthood. And there is no official canonized revelation stating that African men should be barred from holding it in our dispensation. In fact, when Joseph ran for President of the United States he was a solid abolitionist with a plan to free the slaves. Fast forward to Brigham Young who implemented a policy which would delay priesthood ordinations for African men. Subsequent church leaders felt they needed a clear revelation from God to clear things up, which eventually happened in 1978 to the great relief of many church members. Since 1978 the LDS Church has quadrupled in size and is being embraced by our dear brothers and sisters of Africa across the world. Today there are more Latter-day Saints worldwide than Jews. Even notable people such as Gladys Knight have joined. It is an amazing church to be a part of and it is unfortunate that this temporary policy holds some back from exploring it more seriously.
LDSRevelations said, "To say he was a solid abolitionist I think is overstating the case or perhaps more accurately JS's record on slavery is conflicted at best. " Not conflicted, just increasingly informed. Reading the history of Joseph's statements one will find that Joseph's opinion of slavery evolved from Biblically sourced tolerance in the 1830s to abolition in the 1840s. And as you admitted, Priesthood ordinations to African men were happening under Joseph's watch. These are not the actions of someone who interprets the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price (that he supposedly wrote himself) as vehicles for promoting racism and priesthood bans in the current dispensation. Subsequent statements by the First Presidency on the priesthood ban are conflicting. On one hand they state it is a direct commandment and not a policy, but on the other hand they have no canonized scripture to source the commandment. Without it then it can only be a policy. One can debate whether the policy was inspired or not, but it wasn't until President Kimball's revelation that a binding resolution was put into canonized scripture. The body of the church welcomed the change with open arms and with much relief. Since that revelation Church leaders have clarified that many statements by early leaders and members on the matter were wrong or misinformed.
deerjerkydave Hi, Dave. We talked elsewhere on this topic. Advice that I make is seriously to read Bush and Mauss and others who research this. Also, being an apologist for your faith is one thing but there's a fine line - I wish that you and others in the church could openly call wrong things such as this genuinely wrong. And it did last for 130 years, it wasn't just a little "flick in history" to paraphrase Gordon B. Hinkley. Here's about Smith. Yes, in campaigning for President, within his platform he did propose ending slavery while also proposing paying slaveholders for their slaves. The latter part would have been opposed by the abolitionists such as, say, Frederick Douglass - on moral grounds let's not pay for people even on this measure; but Smith is hardly the only one proposing this, though the cost would have been unrealistic. In fairness to your point, here is a quote from Smith I know Mormons love: “The Declaration of Independence ‘holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;’ but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin.” (Joseph Smith Campaign for President of the United States, Ensign, Feb 2009) However, Smith did have the prejudices and false views about race that were common in his day. He was afraid that freed former slaves could have a very damaging impact on society, a fear commonly held among many white people of his era: “This must be a tender print, and one which should call forth the candid reflections of all men, and more especially before they advance in an opposition calculated to lay waste the fair states of the South, and let loose upon the world a community of people, who might, peradventure, overrun our country, and violate the most sacred principles of human society, chastity and virtue.“ “The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p436 He equivocated on the ability to discern whether or not slavery is evil: “No one will pretend to say that the people of the free states are as capable of knowing the evils of slavery, as those who hold slaves. If slavery be an evil, who could we expect would first learn it: Would the people of the free states, or the people of the slave states? All must readily admit, that the latter would first learn this fact. If the fact were learned first by those immediately concerned, who would be more capable than they of prescribing a remedy? And besides, are not those who hold slaves, persons of ability, discernment and candor? Do they not expect to give an account at the bar of God for their conduct in this life? It may no doubt with propriety be said that many who hold slaves live without the fear of God before their eyes; but the same may be said of many in the free states. Then who is to be the judge in this matter?” “The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p437 Thus, he advocated that abolitionists in the North should "cease their clamor" as below: “So long, then, as the people of the free states, are not interested in the freedom of the slaves, in any other way than upon the mere abstract principles of equal rights, and of the Gospel; and are ready to admit that there are men of piety. who reside in the South, who are immediately concerned, and until they complain and call for assistance, why not cease this clamor, and no further urge the slave to acts of murder, and the master to vigorous discipline, rendering both miserable, and unprepared to pursue that course which might otherwise lead them both to better their conditions? I do not believe that the people of the North have any more right to say that the South shall not hold slaves, than the South have to say the North shall.“ “The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p437 So, in sum, we have in Smith a complex picture. Yes, he did advocate abolition while running for President. But he also had some negative prejudices about people with black skin that he expressed. And he was not active in the abolition movement - this was not a man who would be found in the Underground Railroad Station alongside Frederick Douglass or Sojourner Truth nor did he advocate that Northerners should be involved in these efforts.
deerjerkydave As for Smith's theological views related to slavery he warned that slavery was supported by the Bible and ordained by God: “I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South, will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind, and wholly unacquainted with the Gospel of Christ. It is my privilege then to name certain passages from the Bible, and examine the teachings of the ancients upon the matter as the fact is uncontrovertible that the first mention we have of slavery is found in the Holy Bible, pronounced by a man who was perfect in his generation, and walked with God. And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the decree of Jehovah, to the shame and confusion of all who have cried out against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in servitude. “And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” “Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant” (Gen. 9:25, 26). -Joseph Smith, The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p438 Building on this stance, Smith warned of God's wrath against abolitionists: “What could have been the design of the Almighty in this singular occurrence is not for me to say; but I can say, the curse is not yet taken off from the sons of Canaan, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who interfere the least with the purposes of God in this matter, will come under the least condemnation before Him; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the decrees of the Lord, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do His own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.“ “The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p. 438 So, Smith urged Mormons not to interfere with the way that slave masters treated slaves: “All men are to be taught to repent; but we have no right to interfere with slaves, contrary to the mind and will of their masters. In fact it would be much better, and more prudent, not to preach at all to slaves, until after their masters are converted, and then teach the masters to use them with kindness; remembering that they are accountable to God, and the servants are bound to serve their masters with singleness of heart, without murmuring.“ “The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p. 440 Yes, then, you are honest when you point to the the fact that Brigham Young began the priesthood ban not Smith; and that Smith included freeing of slaves on his Presidential platform. But he was hardly an abolitionist as the word is traditionally used. You certainly would not find him urging Mormons to go to the underground railroad. And he did have prejudices common to his era as seen in his concern that if all slaves were freed they could "violate the most sacred principles of human society, chastity and virtue." A bigot on the line of Brigham Young and Bruce McConkie? No. Clearly not. It was clearly Young that set the horrible course with the ban and a culture which would allow people with McConkie's racial views to be revered. A hero of the abolitionist movement? No. Not by a long shot.
deerjerkydave "Subsequent statements by the First Presidency on the priesthood ban are conflicting. On one hand they state it is a direct commandment and not a policy, but on the other hand they have no canonized scripture to source the commandment." You didn't read the material I posted yesterday to you did you? Yes, the First Presidency did cite scripture as source of the policy. Read Bush and Mauss (Neither White Nor Black) for yourself please, I won't bother to repost what I already posted yesterday on another board (a 1949 and a 1969 statement by the First Presidency related to civil rights).
deerjerkydave "The body of the church welcomed the change with open arms and with much relief." - That's an overstatement. The reaction was mixed at best in many wards. Some members surly did welcome it with open arms. It would be false if I characterized the opposite as true, if I said "the body of the church fought the change with clenched fist" or something like that - this would be false, it would paint a negative stereotype and an untrue one. My father was attending an LDS Ward in Idaho at the time. So was my mother. They remember. And yes they were members and they welcomed the change. Not everyone did - many in their ward were very alarmed.
Ive been attending an LDS church for around 11 months. LOVE IT!!! Amazing people who have tons of planetary usefulness!!! And it's all done for free!!!
writerteacher1 Well, Catholics don''t allow women to be priest either, Greek orthodox declared that being a Freemason constitutes an act of apostasy, Missouri Senate Lutherans don't allow other Christian sects communion at their services. The list of religious exclutivity is not unique to the Mormon faith...
Sergio Lobato Apologists such as yourself will have an interesting time defending this utterly cruel and wicked policy. I see your plan is to compare apples to oranges in your defense of cruelty. Children of same-sex couples will not be able to join the Mormon Church until they turn 18 - and only if they move out of their parents’ homes, disavow all same-sex relationships and receive approval. And, Mormons in same-sex relationships will be considered apostates and ordered to undergo church disciplinary hearings that could lead to excommunication. The policy of whether women and men can be priests in certain churches is an apples to oranges comparison to that. Policies related to apostasy for various actions a person might commit or communion are still apples to oranges comparisons because in the LDS Church children of same sex couples are being withheld baptism based on the actions of their parents. Again - a child is being withheld baptism due to actions that the child did not do; and children are being pressured to disavow relationships of their parents. I don't know whether you may have too much hatred and bile in you to have compassion for children. It's hard to tell. But if you are capable of compassion imagine what this policy does in the lives of children of same sex couples if those children might (sadly for them) also believe that your church of is true? This is a policy that will cause severe pain and emotional distress to children. It is an utterly sick and evil action on the part of your church.
+writerteacher1 I think all religions are nonsense and the refuge on the unthinking mind. I find it interesting that other so called people of faith don't see the hypocrisies and folly of their own absurd religious belief. Who cares if baptism is withheld from a child? Unless you believe an all loving god would damn a innocent child...it's all nonsense.
doesn't it seem odd that the LDS church isn't supporting gay marriage? One would think they could use it as a stepping stone to returning to their polygamy ways.
Gay people don't fit in their teachings! Their so-called gay friendly website which was supposed to take a kind approach is still about converting and making the right choice...The men get their polygamy back when they get to their own planet.
Lol. They do believe they will get their own planet and they become like God over it. That's if you've paid your tithing & are in good standing in the church. You have to earn it.
Nothing says "Your religion is man-made" like "The external pressure against our doctrine is getting intense. Oh look...a new revelation just came in."
Appears you are unaware of internal pressure such as the members in Brazil of uncertain descent, or the fact that many had said that Joseph Smith, the first LDS leader had not objected to the Elijah Abel's ordination to the priesthood: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Abel
And once gentiles were not allowed to join the early apostolic church. Caused quite a controvery at that time, but a revelation did bring it about: Acts 10-12.
@@PhdAAA The LDS only let black people hold any sort of place in the church when their tax-exemption was threatened. Joseph Smith looked at golden plates in a hat with a rock in it to translate the history of Native American Jews, I don’t think he’s very credible in the first place.
Seriously.
@@PhdAAA It's not that they weren't aloud. The issue just hadn't come up at that point because there hadn't been Gentile converts until then. And when it did, the revelation came about right away. If the early Church did it the way Mormonism did, they would have continue to deny Gentiles full membership and then conveniently had "revelation" if the secular Romans used their refusal to let them in against them.
As a black person I wouldn't want to be a priest, or attend a mormon anything so thank you very much!
it's so damn creepy it's just weird I couldn't do it myself it's really weird
Would you like a cute Mormon White girl?
@@travelingjohn69 Only true women believers in the Holy One of Israel, whom calls upon the name of Jesus.
@Jackstuff33 sounds like I want what?
@@travelingjohn69 yes
Amazing how God just so happened to change his mind about hating black people at the exact same time the LDS tax-exemption was threatened if they didn’t allow black people to be in the church.
@Jackstuff33 With what? Blatant racism? No…?
Very true
Wierd, right?
The same kind of coincidence happened with polygamy. Can you believe it?
@jackstuff33 spammer.
😂😂😂What a coincidence!
"I believe... that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!"
We aren’t black people, we are Aboriginal Americans. Indigenous to The Americas, Caribbean Islands and Pacific Islands.
@@andrezroizaezarel the video says black-skinned, which is different than saying Black people.
@@amberdiaz5847 which means that their skins are black.
Andre East Burnett day who is we? And what about Africa?
@@andrezroizaezarel DAS RITE!
The white Mormon reasoning: We aren't choosing to be racist towards people of African descent, we are just following God's desire for us to be racist towards those people. We don't know why God wants us to be racist, only that he wants us to be.
Can you explain to me why Jesus did not allow the gospel to be preached to the gentiles until after his death ? Sounds like racism to me.
@@davidfrey5654 The exact same reason that the teachings of Islam weren't preached to the inhabitants of the Americas over 2,000 years ago. Because these religions are man-made nonsense which do not hold up to critical thinking. But if you want to believe a family of Jews floated for nearly a year to the Americas nearly 3,000 years ago in airtight and watertight barges that were lighted with magical stones... well go right ahead.
@@davidfrey5654I thought it would have been obvious.
Throughout the Old testament, God has made a covenant with the jewish people and have allowed them grace amongst others.
But God did say that one day, the blessings and promises they have shall be given over to the gentiles.
Jesus fulfilled the prophecy by first offering salvation to the jews and then to the rest of us.
Though there had been instances where Jesus spoke to Samarians, Canaanites and those outside of the jewish culture.
Ironically, Jesus's message was well received by non-jews while the majority of the jewish temples and people rejected Him, thus leading to His crucifixion.
God has made numerous statements throughout the Bible that the jews have been a stiff-necked people all the way who have barely been faithful to Him, that is why Jesus made allusions and parables like the wedding guests, the seeds and so forth.
Some jews even today reject Christianity and believe salvation is only something the jews are entitled to and no one elses. Racist doctrines still exist.
@@davidfrey5654Jesus did. He healed the Canaanite woman's child.
He only preached in Israel, He did not withhold salvation from gentiles. And in the Old Testament, He still grafted gentiles.
@davidfrey5654 stop trying to excuse your racism.
Well my poor Fijian family you have been lied to... as well as the general public ... we're not even Polynesian but in fact Melanesian and our descendants originate from Africa so well done lol glad I left this cult years ago
Um, everyone orignates from Africa, including you, including me, including Polynesians. Have you never taken biology classes?
Everyone from Africa but Melanesian people are descendants that people took southern route
Amazing how Caucasians took and religion from Northeast Africa with blacks in it and made it totally white European.
Cults would be funny if they weren't so scary.
Michael Steven Martin Cult? Momonism is a religion just like any other religion or a cult just like the bigger cults called Islam, Catholicism, or Protestantism. They all believe their sacred myths and have their sacred ceremonies and prophets. Mormonisms just has a more recent prophet and sacred book.
Andrew Sanchez All religions are cults, agreed.
Michael Steven Martin When people try to tell me about how special jesus was i always liken him to Joseph Smith. I tell them that both of them were just failed prophets that had zealous followers willing to believe anything. I use Joseph Smith as an example to show how a man can be turned into a prophet/deity by his followers.
Andrew Sanchez An excellent example, Andrew. Well done!
***** Haha! You mad bro? Jesus must be proud of his little lamb Vincent. LOL!
any black person who is a Mormon needs serious mental help!!!!!!!
+s marie Any mormon period, the ones that goto the moron temple, they have "holy underwear" as they call it... And they never take them off.
+Patrick TheBaptist They actually themselves do not refere to it as holy underwear. They do not consider them to have any magical powers whatsoever. they do take them off just like regular people take off their underwear. They are worn as a reminder of promises they make to god. Get informed before spewing false rumors.
TDB
Ohh they take them off, off on leg then put the clean pair on that leg then remove the dirty pair from the remaining leg and the finish putting the new ones on.
Then on said garment is the reprobate masonic swastika.
Nice troll, you had me Goin :)
TDB It's you that hides your true identity and has no content of your own, everyone around will know it is YOU that is the troll and that is how you turn and stick your tail between your legs and run off when called out trying to lie for the moron, oopps mormon (which in Chinese means "gates of hell" LOL) cult, founded by the luciferian freemason joey smith, well know liar, figures you follow him.
They forgot that one of the earliest converts to Christianity was a Ethiopian perhaps?
Simon who carried Jesus' cross was black.
Jesus himself was black. Adam was black ( he was made of dust or mud). The whole Bible is a historical book of Blacks!!! Therefore, the priesthood according to the Bible ( Black people's book), belongs to Hebrew Israelites who are Black. In 2012 Gerd Muller discovered that the garden of Eden is between Ethiopia and Eritrea. It is the pink Adam and Eve who need to be explained to world that is so blind that they don't understand. Before Europeans came to Africa with Bible, most African Bantu communities were holding religious rituals that were 1:1 as the old testament. They were also circumcising their sons as is written in the Old Testament. The reason why they lost it is explained in Deut.28:15-65. These were prophetic curses that were to be befall Hebrew Israelites if they didn't obey their God. And these is evident with the Blacks in America today who originated from Bantu communities in Africa.
malaika1972, no, not according to the Book of Mormon. Plus, if he had been black, then why didn't the Romans report such a striking detail?
The conqueror mention such a striking detail? All we have learned until now is the Vatican hiding the truth from the masses.
malaika1972, everything is a conspiracy, of course. Ridiculous.
"You shall know them by there fruits..."
Fact!!!!!!!
Ye shall know them by their poor grammar
@@RYXPfan you shall know them by their arrogance
Great fruits ✊🏾 sincerely a black sealedmelchizediek priesthood holder :)
The blacker the berry the sweeter the juice 🧃 lol 😂
Racism isn't the most appalling crime in all this. It's the way they weren't owning up to their own bigotry and instead placed the blame on The Lord. How could you claim to be a child of God and continue on in the church after doing something like that?
Jesus practiced racism! He didn't allow the gospel to be preached to the gentiles.
The priesthood ban bothers me somewhat, but what bothers me more is saying that segregation is of God, and the theories of the curse of cain and black skin. Would have been better if they just said that they didn't know the reason for the priesthood ban instead of making theories and rumors about it, like those of black african descent not being faithful, or being less valiant in the premortal world, which I don't believe is even in the scriptures.
As horrible as it is, The Book of Mormon is true. Thats what helps anchor me.
A Polynesian married an American they had an Amnesian. THAT boy couldn't remember his own name
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I wonder if African American football and basketball players that play for BYU know that history of this racist history?
JACOJE LYNX, or maybe they just don’t care?
If that was the case then why do blacks vote democrat when the Democratic Party favored slavery and Jim Crow
Vaughn reed jr how is that
JACOJE LYNX ......thats a good question. I would have to think they have to be aware of this.
Busta Busta...well if you back at politics and race....most blacks years ago were Republican and at one time (when it was allowed and to my surprise) held legislative seats in southern states as Republicans....but around the time civil rights era was in full bloom southern white democrats were displeased with what a southern democratic president did...(Lyndon Johnson) in signing that bill back in the 60's and in his words he mentioned that they (the democrats) will lose a lot of people due to it....so that is why we also see so many blacks that are democrats and white southerner and in rural america are republicans...in time, views and ideas seem to flip flop.
Their true God is MONEY.
No kiddin'. Did you know that they are the largest landowner in Florida (outside the government)? I never read in the Bible where God told His people to amass huge plots of land. We are supposed to be cutting our ties with worldly things, not clinging to them.
+fearlesscrusader- why does your crowd never mention the billions of dollars spent by the Church each year for disaster relief alone. not to mention our record of humanitarian works. Do think that doesn't cost money- that we just grow it on trees- now that would be a miracle. We grow or make it, gather it, get it ready, fly it where its needed before anyone else barely gets in gear, and we distribute it- and in distributing it we also find others we can help (and you don't need to be a member or invite the missionaries over)- and then we teach the sufferers long term solutions if we are allowed. The electricity of our buildings also costs money, as does their building, maintenance and upkeep. We pay property taxes (though we could get out of the) on our religious structures, and we pay all taxes on any non-exempt businesses the Church owns while other churches hide business revenues under religious exemption. Remember what Jesus said was true religion (look it up), or Ask the Missionaries!
@@blakess4630 Preach brother! Their hearts are set on hate, looking past anything good the Church has contributed. Do believe they pray on our downfall, which is not very Christlike since we have done NOTHING to them. Why do they hate us? Cuz the Church is true! The prophecies are being fulfilled everyday.
Mormonism is one of the most fictitious religions I've ever heard of, right next to Greek mythology...
Throughout history of God and man the priesthood was always limited as to its membership. For example, with the Children of Israel only the Levites held the priesthood and fortunately today all worthy male members can receive this priesthood. The power of this priesthood is not in who holds it but the ordinance that can be preformed through it. For example only men with the priesthood can baptize but its not the man who baptizes that receives the blessing but the one getting baptized and that is the exact same for men and women.
Brooks, why weren't blacks worthy until 1979?
they still aren't
It's a Mormon Multiverse. Once you dig deeper ... It's exactly that. Belief in millions of God's. The God of this planet , Elohim, was once actually a man that achieved Godhood through the teachings of Mormonism on another planet. He has sex with Mary and had a son named Jesus. Jesus had sex with woman ... Was a polygamist. Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. I mean ... The intergalactic drama wreaks of a young Joseph Smith smoking a whole lot of shrooms.
What wasn't made up by the charlatan was plagiarized from other sources. Mormons still invested in this money-loving corporation should read the CES letter before they waste any more of their life on a fraud.
Boi this shit is literally the reason I have lost faith in the world
He’s keeping it real don’t hate no one hates on your believes
This is just surreal. I always wonder what I would think if I was a Mormon at that time. Well, probably I would leave the cult just like I did 5 years ago anyway.
Glad to hear you left that filthy cult of the freemason and reprobate joey smith, you sure don't want to burn in hell with him and his false god.
Patrick Baptist Lol I can feel the Christian love emanating off of you.
@@fearandloathing9976 I sure don't love the occult cults that lead people to hell. What do you think a Christian is, a person that pats you on the back while you have been lead astray and grins while your soul is damned? That isn't a Christian, it's a tare.
Patrick Baptist No, that’s a straw-man actually. But here’s some stuff from your book: “Let all that you do be done in love.”
“Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.”
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Etc etc etc. You should probably show some brotherly love to Joseph Smith instead of reveling in his supposed eternal torment.
@@fearandloathing9976 Smith wasn't ever my brother to begin with, he was a liar and taught of another "jesus".
Paul warned of his kind
Galatians 1 " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Christians are to love the living, but we are not ever taught to love doctrines of devils, nor hide the people that teach them, but rather
Romans 16 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
You have no clue what a Christian is or what you speak of. You are a very hateful and deceitful person. Nothing to love about joey smith, he is screaming in hell right now, I pray you not join him. Telling you the truth is love, unlike yourself who tries to deceive a person into loving lies, how wicked.
It's funny how they show the black Polynesian's faces but you don't see them actually speaking. They used voice-overs...probably someone else's voices.
Lorenza Williams of course it’s voice overs do you really think those Polynesians can speak a broken English you can understand?
They are actually Melanesian not Polynesian
they actually weren't even moving their lips so there's that...
You do realize the "they" you're talking about is the news channel that created this documentary, not the Church, right?
Love thy neighbor, except some.
Excluding people who they claim to love. Love is not shown when excluding others, there is another word for excluding, the opposite of love.
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No, you would save your fellow man from engulfing poison any further! Does says the Lord.🙏
It's so patently false. Black skinned OK, but not if African. "Reasons not fully known to man, but known to the Lord." Until changed shortly thereafter by "revelation." I'd worship a dumb but warmhearted human before I'd worship a "God" who operated this way. We need to grow up and leave this church.
Good for u there’s no room for u anyways I need extra room for my third wife
This attitude is reflected in Joseph Smith's first literary work, the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed that in 1827, on a hill in upstate New York, a heavenly being delivered into his hands a long hidden record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas. Over the next three years Smith worked on his translation of the record, assisted by various scribes and then returned the ancient plates to the messenger (see History of the Church, vol. 1, by Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1978, pp. 18-19).
After convincing a neighbor to help finance the printing, Smith published his work in 1830, titled the Book of Mormon.
This record tells the story of a group of Israelites who fled Jerusalem about 600 B.C. and came to America. They soon divided into two groups, the righteous Nephites, who were "white," and the wicked Lamanites, who were cursed with "a skin of blackness." Part of the rational for God making the wicked "dark" was to insure that they were less "enticing" to the righteous "white" people:
And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 12:23).
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing . . . wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 5:21).
Behold the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins . . . (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5).
O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought before the throne of God (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:8).
And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, . . . who were just and holy men . . . and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemuel, and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmaelitish women.
And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that [p. 7] thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions . . . (Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6).
Towards the end of the Book of Mormon one of the righteous leaders, Mormon, declares that in the last days the gospel will again be taken to the Lamanites
that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry (Book of Mormon, Mormon 5:15).
The Lamanites purportedly destroyed all of the Nephites in battle approximately A.D. 400, thus leaving only the dark skinned people in the land.
While the Book of Mormon states that God "denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free" (2 Nephi 26:33), it still embraces a racist concept that dark skin is a curse from God.
Where is the reply?
So the Lamanites are todays indigenous people? I feel like the BOM belongs more to the indigenous people than the anglo people but sadly mormonism in general has been white washed for most of its existence. Before joining a faith do some research first because most missionaries don't know the full history of their religion or have been denied getting access knowledge of previous book editions that still exists. If the books say or said something about skin color that is considered degrading, then don't join the religion.
@@petrovtiganu9904 This is a myth. The Book of Mormon doesn’t contain Africans, and neither Joseph Smith, nor any other LDS prophet has taught that Africans lived in ancient America. Joseph Smith also said that it wasn’t a reference to race.
The policy actually was derived from a very brief passage in the Book of Moses (another LDS book of scripture). It’s truly a despicable stain on the history of the Church.
The "skin of blackness" was some kind of Hebrew expression, that has parallels all over the place in the ancient world. Here's more information on it: czcams.com/video/eO7LpBw5y58/video.html
The news was so much better reported in those days.
So no real explanation. Blatant bigotry, thank for the info.
Some African men did receive the Mormon Priesthood when Joseph Smith was alive. Joseph knew about it and did not object to it. The restrictive policy of not ordaining African men to the priesthood was from Brigham Young. There is no recorded revelation that restricted priesthood in the latter-days. Brigham Young provided physical characteristics to identify those who were restricted, such as having a flat nose.
There existed doctrines from other Christian churches of that era about the Bible's description of the mark of cain and what that meant. In Mormon Scripture, there is a verse that was speaking about the time of the Pharaohs, and that African men were stating that they had the priesthood when in fact they shouldn't because of their lineage.
Later Presidents of the Church expected a revelation to end the restriction, rather than just changing the policy. This revelation occurred in the 1970s when Spencer W. Kimball was President. Some believe that this was a reaction to political pressure from the then President of the US, Jimmy Carter. The rumor says the issue was the Church's tax exempt status (if you want to keep it, change the policy about African men being restricted from the priesthood).
Although the change has occurred, the African community of all nations are still wary of the LDS Church. It may take decades, perhaps centuries, to finally heal this rift.
Colin Patterson You should keep in mind that Brigham Young, Joseph Smith and all their cronies were racist. At this point the conditions are worse than complicated, as so many colored people have intermarried white Mormons of good will who were also very upset against their own people, in the horrendously white supremacist state of Utah. Many white Mormons are leaving the religion where they were born and grew up, to wander around in the circles of atheism and humanism, since they don't find peace in the convoluted environment that the racist history of Mormonism brought up to them, historically. These white people are suffering for the odds that not themselves but their ancestors and culture have caused. For those who were not born Mormons, the return to their religions of origin comes in a smooth way, because they do have friends and culture to relate to. That is what happened to me when I discovered the Journals of Brigham Young and at that point I understood the nature and reason of the Virgin of Guadalupe, a black virgin in the Catholic religion where I was raised up.
But, for those who do not relate in their childhood having been raised into a different religion where they may resort to in the case they face the contradictions of Mormonism, the stronghold fails, causing enormous pain and suffering to people who are not guilty of having been born and raised in the fanatical white supremacy of the traditional Mormon Church. For this reason, I strongly suggest you to consider compassion as the only spiritual tool that should allow all of us, no matter what color, to realize that even in the event that a religion was created and made by men who had their own shortcomings and prejudices, the people of this generation who are born and raised inside Mormonism are as vulnerable as the people "of color" when they face the contradictions that are contained in a religion that is desperately trying to make things right, in spite of all the historical wrongs. Please let keep this in mind and try to separate your anger and disagreement with the incoherences of the dogma, from the persons of all colors that are suffering today as much as any person of color does, at the confrontation of the wrongs that racism has brought to each of us through a religion that was evidently monitored by the racist hatred of those who created it. The quest is now not for destruction but for reformation.
Let me give you one example of Reformation: Martin Luther, creator of the Lutheran Church in Europe, wrote most vicious statements against the Jews. Yet, the Lutheran Church has apologized and corrected their purpose and calling, so that today one can rest assured that when contacting a Lutheran reverend, the anti-Semitic part will have been recognized and corrected. The same has happened in the history of Catholicity, as we all know that some of the Catholic Popes were terrible sinners who used the religion to advance their egoistic ambition. Yet, the Catholic Church has recognized these errors and even the Popes today admit that not all Popes have been right. Let us pray for the Mormon Leaders to find Intelligence and come to similar conclusions in the treatment of the incoherences of their own human history. But, let's not blame them into total accusations, because they are not guilty of being born in that locus of history where they are at.
Below the Luther's quotes that should give you an idea of how wrong the religious leaders can become, gathered under this link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
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The following are excerpts from Luther's work entitled "The Jews & their Lies":
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.
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He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.
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Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...
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Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people ... their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.
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Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...
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Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer selfglory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
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Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as archthieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.
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However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.
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If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies that is, longer than two thousand years.
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...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.
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Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?
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Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.
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No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
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...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
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Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.
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I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safeconduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
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Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
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However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly
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Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.
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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death.
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What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
Fifth, I advise that safeconduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
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But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.
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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.
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I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated. "
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My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.
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The Council of the Evangelical Church's intercultural relations has apologized with the Jews:
www.elca.org/Faith/Ecumenical-and-Inter-Religious-Relations/Inter-Religious-Relations/Jewish-Relations
Amravín de Schur Thanks...reading Luther's writings against the Jews was informative....Yes compassion must be part of the mix...and at the same time a firm rejection of any attempts to reform Moroni
Bullshit
Brigham Young. Because the Mormons needed a leader who was even worse than Joseph Smith.
Still Joseph Smith banned people of color to be married inside the temple including interracial couples.
Who wants to be a demonic priest anyway?
That has 10 wives hmmm 🤔
So when these people approach me on the street this is why they get ignored and walked past 😌
Ron Lee tf is wrong with you? You must be a troll
Ron Lee they are the seed of Cain
@@ronlee7261 it's sad to see white people still holding on to racism after the harm they have already done around the world. Wow when will enough be enough for you people?
Don’t hate on them there doing the lords work not living off welll fare 🧐 and food stamps
@@mikaelmilnikov I love that restaurant
I'm gettn jim jones vibes
I'm white but it's like this in alot of churches Baptist Church of Christ and others they just do it in secret
No problem if you dont want to be a mormon priest black shouldn't let their disapproval or anger stop them from learning about other people in the world and our own identity. We dont hate Mormons we love God and food and pro creating and helping people trying to be harmonious with all people who are truthful and we understand that life is an opportunity to love, but we realise others see it as a chance to make money and get more power so we celebrate our ancestors for enduring inequality hatred and lies as the truth, the mormons have a right to choose their priests we have the choice to not become mormons.
the thing is its not that blacks could not join the church they could,but they were just not ready yo hold the priesthood as yet so we where in the church basically ,heavenly father has a reason for every thing we should try to understand that
This is what happens when you surrender your reason and morality to not even just an imaginary friend, but somebody else's imaginary friend.
Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself. And that means EVERYBODY, there are no exceptions.
Is that all you have to say??????
I don't follow religion, I follow Christ and trust me there is a difference.
Whats the difference.
Even the Bible uses the word “religion” and not pejoratively so your “way” isn’t righteous.
Why make them change? If you dont like their way of life, stay away. Simple enough.
THEY changed themselves because they were about to lose their tax-exempt status due to their racial policies.
@@ERASEREPLACEPLACE Really? Hahahahaha. Big surprise.
dum dum dum dum dum
Im so glad i got away despite being raised in this cult. Still sad that my parents are blind to truth. Im convinced some people find it easier to live in a self deluded state than to try and improve their life.So busy building mansions in heaventht they neglect their homes on earth.
Joseph Smith quote that I have showed on the blog with the same topic that features Paul Reaves!
If you want a better explanation, type into youtube, "What was the Latter-day Saint Black priesthood ban? Ep. 149"
Was that after they scrap the racist rule or your bishop was a dark man from Fiji?
Mormons Blacks now hold the priesthood.
if blacks are allowed then that means Brigham Young was a big fat false prophet.. "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
Read through the comments on this board between myself and deerjerky dave as well as the question posed to Sarah K.
You deserve to know what it is that you are really defending. I'm not sure if you are aware. Many Mormons have not confronted the realities.
Amost all the comments were removed as Spam. Blacks are accepted in the church now. The present is all that matters
All we can do is to try to educate people. It is not as racist as you think
Khadijah Brown You mean RE- educate ?
My comment goes for all religions period! Blacks should not be a part of any of them and we will never be free until we divest ourselves of them all and start thinking for ourselves.
i a gree because blacks should not involve themselves in bulls$!
i a gree because blacks should not involve themselves in bulls$!
You are thinking for yourself. Don’t involve me in your nonsense.
Nobody should be involved in religion not only just black people. Religion is holding back the human race so far that we could never catch up.
All ways remember this it’s on the history channel should b on the books for kids for school that the black man sold his people to the White settlers remember that it wasn’t the white man at first was your own that sold u first remember that
A key characteristic of cult leaders - unabashed arrogance. It's only enemy is cultural pressure and hitting them in their pockets. The threat of the loss of tax-exempt status and losing members' monies is their biggest fear.
This is pretty much my take away from my state university religion class, 1978. I'm not sure what they are teaching now.
Excuse my husband is Melchizedek Priesthood Authority and he is African Kenyan. His name is Titus Masaku. I still love him for being my spouse as he passed away.
I am an ancient moo moo land high priest and i am still alive.
The ban ended in 1978. Therefore your husband can hold the priesthood. But the church leadership has not rescinded or rejected the following supporting claims that were repeatedly made by Church Presidents, apostles, and First Presidency statements in support of the ban: (a) Cain's skin was darkened to indicate cursing, (b) Cain's descendants have dark skin, (c) Lamanite (Native American) skin was darkened as an indicator of cursing, (d) skin color has been lightened/darkened by God as an indicator of cursing or good/bad character, (e) people with dark skin were less faithful in the pre-existence by failing to side with Jesus against Satan. Sources are available upon request. Maybe you should know the theology and history of the church you defend.None of that is intended to take away from the memory of your husband - let's assume he was a good man and I'm sorry for your loss.
It is likely she may be telling the truth. The LDS Church has grown in Africa and among many Africans. In many cases the converts know nothing (at least at first, if they ever learn) about the racism within LDS theology and history. It is very possible that Christina Ostil might not know about the racist history and theology. Recruiting in Africa has the following benefits for LDS as a church: (a) growth in membership numbers which has always been very important to church leadership, (b) it is a cover that allows the LDS Church to claim that there is no racism within the church, even as it fails to address core problems that remain. The LDS Church and its defenders can say "see, we have increasing diversity in membership" whenever anyone points out problems such as I just did. When racism is seen as merely something exhibited one-person-to-another then it is also possible for Chrsitina to point to a lack of cruelty experienced in the church by her husband (and this again may be the case). But when it is seen as something broader and systemic then we need to look at the type of systemic issues I brought up in my response to her.
These mormon creeps approached my father as a child and when they met his mother openly asked her if she was willing to sacrifice her son to God
The Mormon God and the Living Prophet have had communication problems in the past. An example of this occurred in 1978 when the RACIST Mormon God and the "Living Prophet" at the time. Spencer Kimball, had a discussion about blacks and the priesthood.
It turns out the RACIST Mormon God was not very happy with Spencer for giving blacks the priesthood. During their conversation, the poor hearing Spencer, thought the RACIST Mormon God said: "Give the blacks the priesthood". However what the RACIST Mormon God actually said was "Get the blacks back in their neighborhood".
WHY have no Mormons responded to this ? No sense of humor ?
I think no mormons have responded because the pun wasn't that funny. It might be because he was portraying God as racist, which seems distasteful. The phrase that were supposed to have been a misinterpretation of the original statement are not similar enough to be considered a good word pun, IMHO
Larry Summers Well the Mormon God is definately racist and portraying the truth is always in of itself tasteful as far as Black people are concerned....and still no Mormon responds...The fact that the Mormon god is racist shows that he/it is not the true god of Black people...Black people come out of her or share in her plagues!!
God communicates in mysterious ways and throughout the history of Mormonism some communication problems have occurred between the Mormon God and the Living Prophet.
The first example of these communication problems started with Joseph Smith and the Mormon God. The result of this misunderstanding between the two is how the title of the book that became the center piece for Joe's new religion came to be. Joe came up with the name "Book of Mormon" immediately following a conversation with God, during which Joe told God about the story of the gold plates. After he finished telling God the story of the gold plates Joe was certain God responded to his story about the gold plates by shouting the words... YOU MORMON, YOU MORMON, YOU MORMON!"
WOW! So have they correct ED their doctrine AGAIN yet??? Good enough video for me to subscribe to your channel!
Brigham Young second President and Prophet:
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. . SOUNDS EQUAL TO ME BOSS!
LDS still does not grant the priesthood to women.
I've noticed within the past 5yrs in my area, their Missionaries are no longer avoiding our doors or running away when they see us answer the door. That's all it used to take for them to quickly & quietly leave and never return. Lately, they attempt to fellowship me and have even invited me to attend a service. I have seen their old school animated video on the origin of our race, and I know how they view us. I'm just confused on where this change came from, because it still has me scratching my head.
They are hurting as an organization. They now want your money. Ignore them. They are still a racist organization.
I been doubt of all religions. I can understand someone having a need, calling, sense of fullfulment. Some claim they received answers from prayer. I haven't. Tried, once believed even when nothing came of it. I find inspiration from within, my belief that in order for all to live among each other, a morality is needed, a social morality. I meditate. So many ask my advice on life issues, yes, the religious, and they know I'm not religious.
You're closer to God than any religious person I know.
this is nothing but bigotry !!
I have seen several comments claiming that God is racist based on writings in the holy books. This is hard to deny. The central theme of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is that God gave Abraham exclusive rights to a large tract of land. Then Abraham's descendants fight over it because it is not clear who the "rights" pass to as people die. The Jews came back from Egypt 400 years later to claim their land, and there is nothing said about a "statute of limitations", and God commands them to kill all living things currently in that land. Since God does not provide a universal "title holding" company to reconcile this, the only motivation that humans can see is racism.
Stating that Gods ways are beyond our comprehension is not satisfying. All one can do is accept this on faith. For me, this and things like it leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Joseph Smith was racist not God.. And hath made of *one blood all nations of men* for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;... And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, *My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer* ? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
God is not a respecter of persons according to his word....LDS is racist and has nothing to do with God of the Bible.
RamDaRealist .“Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270)Reply ·
dee hee TROLL ALERT. "Dee Hee" in the urban dictionary means "A term that is used to call someone when they are either being stupid, are stupid, or have recently done a stupid thing.". THIS PERSON SAYS OUTRAGEOUS THINGS ABOUT MORMONS JUST TO GET A REACTION. IGNORE HER
dee hee TROLL ALERT. Ignore this person
Lets all just realize for a moment this is not a church produced video.
The spokesman of the church is LDS and he speaks for the church its a real video
No it didn’t come from the Lord Jesus Christ. It was man alone who refused this order simply through racism where there is no evidence to support their claims in scripture because God does not hold grudges only man. If any man shows repentance and comes unto him they are worthy before God.
Explaining away bigotry, claiming it is sanctioned by a creator. Sounds exactly like every other conservative who has walked the earth. In MY lifetime, anyway.
one of the first words was "successfully recruited" ... it's every secular person's suspicion that behind the kindness and compassion there is another motive -- namely, "successful recruiting"!
And 10% of your gross before taxes.
The smirk at 2:44 gives away his motive.
It’s motivational spread the lords. Word
If you think this is bad, you should hear what Jews say about non-Jews of every race behind closed doors.
The talmund is very eye opening
Mormonism explained:
1. A young treasure hunter with a history of being a con man was chosen by a deity to dig up ancient golden plates, translate them by use of some carnival sunglasses and magic rocks, beg for the money to publish it, and then deliver said plates to an angel that took the plates back to Disneyland.
2. God has a wife, Mrs God? If Mormons on Kolob are supposed to have an infinite number of wives, why does God only have a single wife?czcams.com/video/fyl-68PrYVk/video.html
3. Sacred Underwear has magic powers. czcams.com/video/6cbfgmorIGE/video.html
4. Reformed Egyptian existed as a language leaving no archaeological traces.
5. Old White dudes in Salt Lake City receive? direction from a Deity on Planet Kolob.czcams.com/video/qfBBcqkaewY/video.html
6. An ancient civilization existed in the Western Hemisphere consisting of Lamanites and Nephites in a limited geographical area that hasn't been found.
7. Joseph Smith's wife caught him having sex with another woman and he told her that God commanded him to have many wives. Mrs Smith believed him. Mrs Smith certainly wasn't the brightest penny in the pile!
8.Blacks were banned from the? Mormon priesthood because they remained neutral
in the Great Celestial War !?! However, in 1978 God telephoned the head
of the LDS and removed the ban on blacks. This, of course, had nothing
to do with the Federal Government's threat of the LDS losing its tax
exempt status for being a bigoted organization violating basic US civil
rights.
9. Both Ann Frank and Adolf Hitler are of the same religion as they have both been posthumously baptized in the Mormon religion. In Mormon heaven, aka Planet Kolob Jews and Nazis live together in loving peace.
10. Actually the Mormon men are too busy to fight as they have to copulate with their infinite number of celestial wives. Every copulation leads to the creation of a human soul.
11.Joe Smith also wrote that the moon is inhabited by people dressed like Quakers: www.mrm.org/moon-men I don't know why the Apollo missions didn't encounter these moon men.
These 11 topics are only what I could write from memory. Please correct me if any of these facts are erroneous.? If Mormons are named after the "Angel" Moroni, then why don't they call themselves Morons? I can't claim credit for this last statement as it
came from "Angels in America." However, it's so good that I had to use it. :-)
See you on Planet Kolob! I'm hieing to Kolob right after I finish writing this.
PS Brigham Young the Moron prophet had 55 wives all under 18 years of age when he married them. He was found of saying, "I don't care how you bring 'em as long as you bring 'em young!"
PPS Where's the Inquisition when we need it!?! The Church of Moron admits that Joe Smith had a 14 year old wife and married women who were already married: www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/mormon-joseph-smithteenbride_n_6054272.html You Mormon wives, you devil's whores! Fester with your filthy sores! czcams.com/video/Yl-ihBl6B-A/video.html
PPPS This video compresses the Church of Moron history to less than 9 minutes: czcams.com/video/n3BqLZ8UoZk/video.html
whilst this video does it in less than 7 minutes: czcams.com/video/06jF1EG8o-Q/video.html
PPPPS Joseph Smith has a rather long rap record that spans four states. What kind of god would pick someone so dishonest as Joe Smith to be its prophet?
www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system
www.utlm.org/newsletters/no68.htm
Thanks for digging this up. And it still goes on for all women up until today and likely for a long time more to come. That's religion for you, hardly ever rational.
Fact that there's black Christians as a whole is comedy in itself
You don't find any racist doctrines in the Christian bible so not sure what ur on
@@MrInfoPhilly no but have you heard of the slave Bible
@@wesley2179
I've also heard of kkk who drives Ford pickups....
What does that have to do with what's written in the Bible?
Only in religion is it acceptable to discriminate....why is that?
It shouldn't be acceptable anywhere.
well I can explain that very easily. it's called freedom. if I want to start my own club it's my right to allow in whoever I choose. of course the Mormons are wrong here but still it's about freedom and not having someone else tell you what you can and cannot do or what you can and cannot say. fuck that. that is called communism.
3DFLYLOW Yes we should all be able to believe what we want, until we violate the rights of others. How many more people have to die before humanity realizes what it is that divides the world and creates enemies out of nothing?
+BradK According to Federal Law private institutions have the right to discriminate unless they have a contract with the Federal Government. No girls in the Boyscouts. No men at Curves. I agree it is disgusting. But it is the law.
To whom is the Catholic Church racist towards?
+BradK who's to say what are the rights of others?
Fiji are Melanesian not Polynesian..
What explanation? ? ? I’m confused . . .
It never ceases to amaze me that all these cult religions claim that their leaders have 'God's ear' ... and what's more, he always tells them exactly what they want to hear ... astonishing, isn't it?!
Oh well, unless they have change this rule, I guess I can never be a Mormon priest. But can I still keep the magic underwear?
why would you want to be a part of a religion or a cult that never liked you in the first place and had to be persuaded to change their views on black people just don't it's c
@@christinagraham2915 it's sarcasm... Did you completely miss the magic underwear bit?
U can keep this 🍌🍉🍇
A rule ordained by God, or by a man who had a dream, and thought it was God speaking.Let the rational people decide which is more likely.
People that subscribe to religion are not rational people. This is the crux.
If reason and rational thinking worked on people that believe in this shit then none of them would believe in any of this shit.
Third option, a corrupt megalomaniac with a sexual addiction creates a religion to give him power and as much pussy as he could handle.
the guy was an attorney, whom are usually well what else can I say.. and in top of that was an alcoholic.. and if you look into there history... its just shy of fully demonic. so anyone especially people of African heritage (because they only now allow them in do to the fbi's threat in the 1970's) who decide to join them are just shy of fully functional idiots.
Ii thought the normans also spoke to aliens.
What is the citation for this resource? Who did the documentary segment? What news station?
The Christ they serve is truly Cesare Borgia and not Yahshua HaMashiach. I can’t wait until who the true chosen are is fully revealed
False prophets
Ironically, Pacific islanders where were recruited by the Mormon church have now moved in large numbers to the Salt Lake area, there, they are increasingly involved in gang violence and other crimes. Today, black men can (and do) hold office in the LDS church, overturning the interpretation of Joseph Smith's original thoughts on the matter. That, also ironically, is also one of the main failures of the Mormons as an organized body. In the Bible, which they claim to hold sacred, Jesus says that He's the same yesterday, today and forever. His role in the Mormon church is drastically different than the role the Bible describes for Him. The role of God, HIs Son and His TRUE church, governed through council with God's Holy Spirit, are always unchanging. Styles, attitudes and opinions of man changes frequently. If nothing else, you must recognize that God is consistent. So is His message. Groups like the Mormons, like the Masons, from which Smith formed most of his ritual doctrine (like the silly handshakes, magical underwear, and hand gestures supposedly necessary to get into heaven), the Jehovah's Witnesses, and similar large cults all share common attributes. They were all started by a human being (usually, but in not all cases, a man), this person's word is literally taken as "the gospel truth," rules are established, ritual, ceremony and conduct created, then changed, as required by the fashionable opinions of the day.
Forming a genuine and lasting relationship with Christ is, as so very many have said, the only genuine road to eternal salvation and ultimately, happiness. Large cults, with massive amounts of income, spend that money annually in the billions to promote their distinctive "takes" on who and what God is. They are all wrong. You'll find God in the first chapters of the book of John, in the Psalms, the Proverbs, and in your heart.
Christ Himself warned that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing capable of leading even the elect away from the true, and only, God of the Universe. Joseph Smith, and his followers, are such men.
Check out these videos by Mormon's who saw the literal "light," and left the LDS church when they recognized the fallacy of Joseph Smith's entire purpose:
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On the CONTRARY, "Essenceofthemahog," I was deeply involved with Jehovah's Witnesses for over a decade. I have EVERY publication they put out, spoke for humdreds of hours with members, and am still intelligent enough to realize (and have realized from the beginning) that the entire farce is a man-made cult, nothing more, nothing else.
When I first got involved with the Watchtower Society, i was given a redacted Holy BIble, and was told it had been re-written by "the three smartest people in the world." That BS was enough to steer me in the right direction. I asked, "how do we know these were the 'smartest' people? Was it there SAT scores, MENSA membership maybe?" The answer, of course, is that the claim, like EVERY claim made by Watchtower adherents, is pure bull excrement.
"Jesus wasn't involved in politics?" Really? What, exactly, do you think the whole episode of overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple was about? The moneychangers were politically affiliated with the Pharisees, the POLITICAL governing body of the local Jewish people. Jesus destroyed their set-up, decrying the fact that they'd turned God's place of worship into a marketplace of thieves - much like the modern churches and political halls of today.
I have read, edited, and written a great many books over the last 45 years, many on these very topics. Your suggesting that i get my information from CZcams would be laughable if not so incredibly stupid.
The bottom line is this, the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons are cults who share the same manmade nonsense conjured up in upstate New York's "burned over district" in the early 19th-Century. There are LOTS of books written on the subject. Perhaps it's time YOU got off of CZcams, and visited a library or bookstore.
You do realize that thier are Biblical issues in the politial arena. Always have been. Example, paying taxes... render unto Ceasar what is his....
Jehovah's Witnesses ======= I've read enough Watchtowers to know the Witnesses are religious bigots.
I've head of them jahova folks. I hear they are shitbags....is this true?
Greg Edmunds supports the DAPL p/l.
As a former Mormon Bishop and member of the Church for over 32 years, I have come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. He had placed before my wife and I five years of spiritual and emotional trials, so that we may better know His grace.
The most enlightening and rewarding action a member of the Mormon Faith can do is precisely what they have been told to do: “Study the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Prophets of the Restoration”. From my personal family experience, one of the most dangerous elements of coming to know that the LDS Church is false,
dee hee Not very clear what ur getting at!??
dee hee A Muddle of a comment!
Make urself clear
Dog Wott sorry you are stupid and follow a soothsayer who married his followers wives. God sent the Gospel to Ethiopia and is no respecter of persons.....I am talking about the only True God of the Bible not the MORmON gOD.
+dee hee Was a room temperature IQ among those trials. Or just a dangerously low level of empathy towards your fellow man?
It's so patently false. Black skinned OK, but not if African. "Reasons not fully known to man, but known to the Lord." Until changed shortly thereafter by "revelation." I'd worship a dumb but warmhearted human before I'd worship a "God" who operated this way. We need to grow up and leave this church.
@@drdetroitcity what dee hee implied was after heartful study of the BoM and the false doctrines, the HOLY SPIRIT freeded him and his family from the satanic cult.
Please see the Joseph Smith quote from my comments on a blog entitled "Blacks and the Priesthood" that features Paul Revere's!!!
This actually is an old belief. African American men are now allowed to hold both priesthoods and have high positions in the general authority and below. Please do not confuse people with old ideas. The church does not think this any more.
first lie is they have an unpaid clergy. The top 152 leaders are paid $259,000.00/year as a "stipend". Plus they all have access to multi-million dollar expense accounts, plus the church pays for all their travel, food, lodging at the best 5 star hotels, restaurants, plane tickets, etc. The rank and file members pay 10% of their gross income as tithing. As of today the church, instead of giving these consecrated tithing funds to charity have horded and stock-piled over $150 BILLION in the Ensign Peak Advisors Fund. The church was just fined $5,000,000.00 by the SEC for hiding their billions in 13 layers of shell companies and not filing their 13F form required by all entities worth more than $100,000,000.00. One of the conditions of the settlement with the SEC was the church has to reveal how much the church leaders were paid.
All they had to do was look at Acts 10:34, 35 to see that all men who do God's will are acceptable in His eyes. I wonder why they didn't recognize that until 1978...oh, that's right; LDS writings are given supremacy over the Bible. That's the last place they'd look.
Reminds me of a more religious and watered-down version of the KKK.
"We are grateful that this one survey reveals that about 90 percent of the temple marriages hold fast. Because of this, we recommend that people marry those who are of the SAME RACIAL BACKGROUND generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background" ETERNAL MARRIAGE STUDENT MANUAL Copyright 2003
You recommend? As who?
They couldn’t deny blacks their humanity so the first part of the man’s answer is self-serving the second part of his answer blames God
Joseph Smith did not record the
‘official version’ of his ‘First Vision’, as now used by the Mormon
Church, until the year 1838, and it wasn’t even published until 1842,
some twenty-two years after his supposed experience.
Beyond belief in the 21st century this is going on
Wow, that quote really throw God under the bus.
I am so glad my eyes were open to the truth and no longer "follow the prophet"!
"But Jesus did not answer a word. So His disciples came and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “ I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Sounds like Jesus was a racist. He forbade the gospel to be preached to the gentiles while he was alive. Or was it wisdom in him and only he knew the reason.
@@davidfrey5654 Isa. 55:1-7 is the Gospel 1st said. Verse 55:5 prophesy it will be taught to the Children of the Desolate not Isreal. Isa. 54:1
Dan. 9:26 " After 7 week and 62 weeks Messiah shall be cutoff and shall have nothing". It was a prophesy that HE came for the nation of Israel but ascended with nothing but a few thousand Jews and Gentiles in belief. You lie when you claim he didn't preach the Gospel to everyone who thirst, what does that make you?
You come in here painting your GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST a racist for fulfilling the Law and all that the prophets wrote about HIS 1st visitation. You throw JESUS under the bus for an adulterat stone seers conjob. You are one anti-CHRIST Mormon cult member vowed to "the power of Lucifers priesthood". Will will be buried in his green apron?
- why is it so important to the journalist that blacks are forced into this church?
I JUST GOT A RIDE HOME FROM MY LDS CHURCH FROM A BLACK CHURCH LEADER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEST THING I EVER DID FOR MY FAMILY WAS JOIN AN LDS CHURCH
The religion of a psychotic Joseph Smith Jr. It is classic Enthusiasm.
I love my black black brothers and sisters they got so much soul and love for God and I'm sorry this happened to you and probably still going on.
@@berniemac3535 I have to go shopping for a brand new bag.
@@berniemac3535 I just may sit on that while doing the mashed potato.
@@berniemac3535 I still all honesty. Have a BIG BIG PROBLEM with this.
@@berniemac3535 I'm tired too. Good night
@@berniemac3535 boy what a neat town.
Saved us blacks from joining a cult.of satan. .God blessed us
Relax, Satan is imaginary, too!
@@johnnhoj854 nope..hes in you white volks
Really? Yikes! Say, where do leprechauns live?
pixies?
This man is absolutely correct, and despite what some modern "scholar," and I use this term lightly, have stated, this is what Joseph Smith himself stated: "I can say that the curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan, neither will it be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come." There may be a 1,000 other comments by other prophets and apostles that confirm this! And NO modern prophet or apostle has said anything whatsoever to directly state that all the revelations were false! Only one fool, Dr. Reeves, who is not a prophet or apostle has stated that the church "DISAVOWS" these teachings of the past, but the word disavow has two meanings and ind is not that something is not true, but simply that one just wants to wash his hands of the whole matter! And, the leaders of the church, of course, know this, and in their wisdom they let the paper be published, and good has come from that decision since many ignorant were happy to hear that! I wrote a response to that essay to the CES and got a very favorable response from them, which I will not make public, but I will tell you that Satan has tempted me greatly to make my essay public so that I could get great honor from it, but I am not important and the church is very important so I refused to make it public since I honestly believe that it would do more harm than good, but I testify to whomever reads this that everything, with very rare exceptions, such as the Adam-God theory which the leaders have corrected later, are ALL true, both the prophets apostles in the early part if this last dispensation as well as the modern ones! People may not understand them all and many will say that some were not politically correct, but they are TRUE!!!
It isnt allowed because they know who the black americans really are and there's nothing they can do to change it but be a hinder.
A lot of Latter-day Saints have struggled with this policy by the Church, both during its existence and after. The historical record shows that Joseph Smith was aware of African men receiving the priesthood. And there is no official canonized revelation stating that African men should be barred from holding it in our dispensation. In fact, when Joseph ran for President of the United States he was a solid abolitionist with a plan to free the slaves. Fast forward to Brigham Young who implemented a policy which would delay priesthood ordinations for African men. Subsequent church leaders felt they needed a clear revelation from God to clear things up, which eventually happened in 1978 to the great relief of many church members. Since 1978 the LDS Church has quadrupled in size and is being embraced by our dear brothers and sisters of Africa across the world. Today there are more Latter-day Saints worldwide than Jews. Even notable people such as Gladys Knight have joined. It is an amazing church to be a part of and it is unfortunate that this temporary policy holds some back from exploring it more seriously.
LDSRevelations said, "To say he was a solid abolitionist I think is overstating the case or perhaps more accurately JS's record on slavery is conflicted at best. "
Not conflicted, just increasingly informed. Reading the history of Joseph's statements one will find that Joseph's opinion of slavery evolved from Biblically sourced tolerance in the 1830s to abolition in the 1840s. And as you admitted, Priesthood ordinations to African men were happening under Joseph's watch. These are not the actions of someone who interprets the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price (that he supposedly wrote himself) as vehicles for promoting racism and priesthood bans in the current dispensation.
Subsequent statements by the First Presidency on the priesthood ban are conflicting. On one hand they state it is a direct commandment and not a policy, but on the other hand they have no canonized scripture to source the commandment. Without it then it can only be a policy. One can debate whether the policy was inspired or not, but it wasn't until President Kimball's revelation that a binding resolution was put into canonized scripture. The body of the church welcomed the change with open arms and with much relief. Since that revelation Church leaders have clarified that many statements by early leaders and members on the matter were wrong or misinformed.
deerjerkydave Hi, Dave. We talked elsewhere on this topic. Advice that I make is seriously to read Bush and Mauss and others who research this. Also, being an apologist for your faith is one thing but there's a fine line - I wish that you and others in the church could openly call wrong things such as this genuinely wrong. And it did last for 130 years, it wasn't just a little "flick in history" to paraphrase Gordon B. Hinkley.
Here's about Smith. Yes, in campaigning for President, within his platform he did propose ending slavery while also proposing paying slaveholders for their slaves. The latter part would have been opposed by the abolitionists such as, say, Frederick Douglass - on moral grounds let's not pay for people even on this measure; but Smith is hardly the only one proposing this, though the cost would have been unrealistic. In fairness to your point, here is a quote from Smith I know Mormons love:
“The Declaration of Independence ‘holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;’ but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin.” (Joseph Smith Campaign for President of the United States, Ensign, Feb 2009)
However, Smith did have the prejudices and false views about race that were common in his day. He was afraid that freed former slaves could have a very damaging impact on society, a fear commonly held among many white people of his era:
“This must be a tender print, and one which should call forth the candid reflections of all men, and more especially before they advance in an opposition calculated to lay waste the fair states of the South, and let loose upon the world a community of people, who might, peradventure, overrun our country, and violate the most sacred principles of human society, chastity and virtue.“
“The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p436
He equivocated on the ability to discern whether or not slavery is evil:
“No one will pretend to say that the people of the free states are as capable of knowing the evils of slavery, as those who hold slaves. If slavery be an evil, who could we expect would first learn it: Would the people of the free states, or the people of the slave states? All must readily admit, that the latter would first learn this fact. If the fact were learned first by those immediately concerned, who would be more capable than they of prescribing a remedy? And besides, are not those who hold slaves, persons of ability, discernment and candor? Do they not expect to give an account at the bar of God for their conduct in this life? It may no doubt with propriety be said that many who hold slaves live without the fear of God before their eyes; but the same may be said of many in the free states. Then who is to be the judge in this matter?”
“The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p437
Thus, he advocated that abolitionists in the North should "cease their clamor" as below:
“So long, then, as the people of the free states, are not interested in the freedom of the slaves, in any other way than upon the mere abstract principles of equal rights, and of the Gospel; and are ready to admit that there are men of piety. who reside in the South, who are immediately concerned, and until they complain and call for assistance, why not cease this clamor, and no further urge the slave to acts of murder, and the master to vigorous discipline, rendering both miserable, and unprepared to pursue that course which might otherwise lead them both to better their conditions? I do not believe that the people of the North have any more right to say that the South shall not hold slaves, than the South have to say the North shall.“
“The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p437
So, in sum, we have in Smith a complex picture. Yes, he did advocate abolition while running for President. But he also had some negative prejudices about people with black skin that he expressed. And he was not active in the abolition movement - this was not a man who would be found in the Underground Railroad Station alongside Frederick Douglass or Sojourner Truth nor did he advocate that Northerners should be involved in these efforts.
deerjerkydave As for Smith's theological views related to slavery he warned that slavery was supported by the Bible and ordained by God:
“I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South, will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind, and wholly unacquainted with the Gospel of Christ. It is my privilege then to name certain passages from the Bible, and examine the teachings of the ancients upon the matter as the fact is uncontrovertible that the first mention we have of slavery is found in the Holy Bible, pronounced by a man who was perfect in his generation, and walked with God. And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the decree of Jehovah, to the shame and confusion of all who have cried out against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in servitude. “And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” “Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant” (Gen. 9:25, 26).
-Joseph Smith, The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p438
Building on this stance, Smith warned of God's wrath against abolitionists:
“What could have been the design of the Almighty in this singular occurrence is not for me to say; but I can say, the curse is not yet taken off from the sons of Canaan, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who interfere the least with the purposes of God in this matter, will come under the least condemnation before Him; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the decrees of the Lord, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do His own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.“
“The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p. 438
So, Smith urged Mormons not to interfere with the way that slave masters treated slaves:
“All men are to be taught to repent; but we have no right to interfere with slaves, contrary to the mind and will of their masters. In fact it would be much better, and more prudent, not to preach at all to slaves, until after their masters are converted, and then teach the masters to use them with kindness; remembering that they are accountable to God, and the servants are bound to serve their masters with singleness of heart, without murmuring.“
“The Prophet’s Views on Abolition”, History of the Church Vol 2 p. 440
Yes, then, you are honest when you point to the the fact that Brigham Young began the priesthood ban not Smith; and that Smith included freeing of slaves on his Presidential platform. But he was hardly an abolitionist as the word is traditionally used. You certainly would not find him urging Mormons to go to the underground railroad. And he did have prejudices common to his era as seen in his concern that if all slaves were freed they could "violate the most sacred principles of human society, chastity and virtue."
A bigot on the line of Brigham Young and Bruce McConkie? No. Clearly not. It was clearly Young that set the horrible course with the ban and a culture which would allow people with McConkie's racial views to be revered.
A hero of the abolitionist movement? No. Not by a long shot.
deerjerkydave "Subsequent statements by the First Presidency on the priesthood ban are conflicting. On one hand they state it is a direct commandment and not a policy, but on the other hand they have no canonized scripture to source the commandment."
You didn't read the material I posted yesterday to you did you? Yes, the First Presidency did cite scripture as source of the policy. Read Bush and Mauss (Neither White Nor Black) for yourself please, I won't bother to repost what I already posted yesterday on another board (a 1949 and a 1969 statement by the First Presidency related to civil rights).
deerjerkydave "The body of the church welcomed the change with open arms and with much relief." - That's an overstatement. The reaction was mixed at best in many wards. Some members surly did welcome it with open arms.
It would be false if I characterized the opposite as true, if I said "the body of the church fought the change with clenched fist" or something like that - this would be false, it would paint a negative stereotype and an untrue one.
My father was attending an LDS Ward in Idaho at the time. So was my mother. They remember. And yes they were members and they welcomed the change. Not everyone did - many in their ward were very alarmed.
Ive been attending an LDS church for around 11 months. LOVE IT!!! Amazing people who have tons of planetary usefulness!!! And it's all done for free!!!
Still mormon?
Is 10% of your salary free for you ?
So you believe all that nonsense?
@@savodoom3175 I have no idea what to believe. I do believe in following Jesus Christ. Does that answer your question?
@@savodoom3175 dam straight if I can have three wives
Well, to be fare, most religions have their restrictions to membership,,,
+Sergio Lobato Lol. Try again.
+Sergio Lobato What in the world are you talking about?
writerteacher1 Well, Catholics don''t allow women to be priest either, Greek orthodox declared that being a Freemason constitutes an act of apostasy, Missouri Senate Lutherans don't allow other Christian sects communion at their services. The list of religious exclutivity is not unique to the Mormon faith...
Sergio Lobato
Apologists such as yourself will have an interesting time defending this utterly cruel and wicked policy. I see your plan is to compare apples to oranges in your defense of cruelty.
Children of same-sex couples will not be able to join the Mormon Church until they turn 18 - and only if they move out of their parents’ homes, disavow all same-sex relationships and receive approval. And, Mormons in same-sex relationships will be considered apostates and ordered to undergo church disciplinary hearings that could lead to excommunication.
The policy of whether women and men can be priests in certain churches is an apples to oranges comparison to that.
Policies related to apostasy for various actions a person might commit or communion are still apples to oranges comparisons because in the LDS Church children of same sex couples are being withheld baptism based on the actions of their parents. Again - a child is being withheld baptism due to actions that the child did not do; and children are being pressured to disavow relationships of their parents.
I don't know whether you may have too much hatred and bile in you to have compassion for children. It's hard to tell. But if you are capable of compassion imagine what this policy does in the lives of children of same sex couples if those children might (sadly for them) also believe that your church of is true? This is a policy that will cause severe pain and emotional distress to children. It is an utterly sick and evil action on the part of your church.
+writerteacher1 I think all religions are nonsense and the refuge on the unthinking mind. I find it interesting that other so called people of faith don't see the hypocrisies and folly of their own absurd religious belief. Who cares if baptism is withheld from a child? Unless you believe an all loving god would damn a innocent child...it's all nonsense.
doesn't it seem odd that the LDS church isn't supporting gay marriage? One would think they could use it as a stepping stone to returning to their polygamy ways.
Gay people don't fit in their teachings! Their so-called gay friendly website which was supposed to take a kind approach is still about converting and making the right choice...The men get their polygamy back when they get to their own planet.
SuchIsLifeVideos
...get their own planet.
omg! LOL
Lol. They do believe they will get their own planet and they become like God over it. That's if you've paid your tithing & are in good standing in the church. You have to earn it.
SuchIsLifeVideos
I had forgotten that part. I have the cartoon somewhere explaining that. LOL
Joining any organised religion = ignorant waste of time. Joining one that actively discriminates against you based on your race = priceless.
Sure lets elect more Mormons to office ! These people are fucked up!
Interesting... but Joseph Smith gave the Priesthood to 3 black members. (I can't recall their names)
Black people descended from Cush (Ethiopia) of Ham of Noah of Seth (Genesis 5-10), not Canaan nor Cain.
Segregation can be a beautiful thing....
.I think I will start a new religion it seems really easy, so many fools out there. Anyone have any ideas for rules?