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I think this ending makes more sense when you've played all of the main SMT games. I don't like this option, but I can see where the White are coming from. After dealing with this sort of bullshit over and over, it makes sense to want it to finally stop.
And yet, we still keep coming back for more... No matter how much sense The White make, from where I stand, it's still the easy way out. To let our despair consume us, that's taking the easy route. I'm pretty sure that a fair number of us would rather stand tall and keep going until the very end, but I also know that there are those of us that don't have the strongest of wills. I apologize for the rant and all.
It is confirmed that in SMT IV Apocalypse, The Whites plan would be useless because it only affects one universe, other universe won't be affected by nothingness or even have the white in it. Edit: this is from the wiki "as every possibility observed becomes real and branches off into countless parallel universes, meaning that destroying all existence is impossible and futile from the beginning as their plan only destroys a single universe."
I think even with all their bragging of their might, they don't have power over the white hence why they need to borrow Flynn's hand in ending them. Yes, from the looks of things they probably really got scared of getting deleted by the white.
"Congratulations on completing the quest" annoyed me, especially when it was in the middle of a tense moment, but here it just gave me chills. And Apparently this is my true ending because this is how I ended the first time. :|
Charon: Beyond the river is the land of the dead...It is where the souls of the deceased endure nothingness as they await reincarnation...Oh, it's you aga- *sees the entire population of earth* *glares at MC* I'm too old for this job *packs up things* You jailers are now officially in charge.....
This has to be the weirdest SMT ending. We always had the Chaos, Neutral and Law routes, but we never expected the NOTHING route. I mean in SMT3 there was a kind of Nothing route but you got it by being indecisive and sort of a lame game over that forced you to restart the whole game, here we actively choose to do it....
I know it's been almost a decade but to me this seems pretty firmly planted in Law. Ultimate peace (in the eyes of the White) at the total cost of all freedom. TDE/Destruction ending is superficially similar but the reasons behind both are totally different, since in Nocturne it is rooted in the desire to liberate yourself from the system and gain control and freedom and establish your own autonomy.
This is truly the bad ending in all senses of the word. This is not really humans finally being free of the cycle of agony and sorrow, this is more like humans admitting that they are weak spirited and have given up trying to be human. How depressing. Nonetheless it is still a very interesting ending. Also the end credits song is great!
Returning everything to blank slate sounds like being free from the cycle to me. This is the state that Buddhist monks are theoretically striving for,being free from the cycle or Nirvana. The only problem is Nirvana is supposed to be gained through individual efforts,not forced upon. Still it's close enough,and a big rejection to all the demons and angels vying to control mankind. It's not really giving up being human,that would actually more of chaos/law route where you give up humanity and fuse with angels/demons,hence letting them control you. But of course watching vast emptiness is nothing fun, so it has to be bad ending for video game.
@@CuriousPersianCat I know this is an old reply but I think what the OP was trying to say long ago was instead of giving in to nothingness, humans can strive to make a world free from both God/Lucifer which is clearly possible with the Neutral Endings usually. It's true, you sever yourself from the cycle through nothingness but at the cost of your very existence. In my opinion, you're just giving up instead of fighting both of the oppressors and forging your own world of true human freedom but i guess there are different form of freedoms...
-Activate Generator - Kill everything - See Charon - trollface Charon: "Alright you all know the drill, Hands up, Play Coins out." Walter, Nozomi, Jonathan, and etc: "Hmph, he's (pointing to Flynn) paying." Flynn: ":I"
I think the bad ending's meaning is hinted at in the ability to do a New Game Plus as a reincarnation- something that should not be possible if all really was returned to nothing.
Well that's the easy way. But lets be honest, nobody gets into SMT because we want things to be easy. If getting things to work is hard, so be it, all those demons want to stand in our way to give humanity its freedom, we'll crush them all. HUMANITY FUCK YEAH!
This is like the ultimate FUCK YOU to this universe, giving up all the ideals you encounter in the journey. Thought i didnt understand that decision at first, im grateful with that ending :3
The most chilling part (apart from ending the universe and all) was when burroughs said "congratulations on completing *your objective* " note that she said that and not the usual "congratulations for completing the quest"
They even make a good argument. As long as people don't meet God's expectations, there is always the chance that he'll destroy any world that they create. Thus making any kind of world is pointless, so just destroy it.
Flynn looks into the void like the Player themselves looks into their screen while achieving this ending. Mindlessly pressing buttons until „Oh no, I guess I erased everything and everyone I know dies because of me right this second. Eh..“ A perfect representation
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@Handhelder Burroughs says something along the lines of “You... do realize what will happen if you go through with this right? ...Of course you do. You wouldn’t be doing this if you didn’t know the consequences.”
This was the ending I got when I first played this and I thought "that was short for an rpg; this cant be right......." Also that background looks creepy when no enemies are covering it lol
I know it seems like a fine choice, nothing to cause problems after all. But it's getting back to the drawing board. It's just like pressing a reset button. The world is meant to keep going, so making it nothing is the chump's way out, especially since it will just be created again. Hearing that even Burroughs was sounding so dissapointed left the ending all the more dissapointing.
Black Holes does not reseting anything, it a hazardous area, a gravitational force that destroys everything and it will stay like that destroying everything for eternity.
From memory in Shin Megami Tensei 3, one of the endings shows the protagonist, ending the cycle of creation, and that all universes (the SMT lisence and Persona and in the same Multiverse), and for the moment doomed to be destroyed without qu they can be rebuilt. Sorry for the mistakes, I'm French
God has destroyed many worlds before as shown in Shin Megami Tensei 3. Lucifer tells you that MegaTen games take place across billions of different worlds that all experience God's cycle of death and rebirth one time or another. If the world is not how God wants hit, he kills it and remakes it based on one human's Reason (that person's ideal world). The White are probably aware of this cycle and know just because God may not have destroyed SMT 4's world yet, does not mean it won't ever happen.
You know the concept of Moksha in Jainism or Nirvana in Buddhism, right? This ending seem pretty close to them and Buddhist mostly called that the salvation of the soul. It's nothingness.
Yeah. You're right. I mean, it's not you like took the cowards way out and killed billions upon billions of innocent people or something like that. Oh, wait...
Nevermind the first comment I made(excluded that one), I have just finished reading the article about The White in the SMT Wiki and now I see their point isn't absurd - at least not in the sense I supposed it to be.
thank god i had a second save before this, I chose to help the white because I thought it would involve fighting god or something as the final boss (chaos ending). now I somehow can't beat kenji again, he keeps spamming that goddamned ailment attack. but at least I'm close to the end... i think
I did this ending too, but I'm going through again to get the "Chaos" and "Law" endings. I hate that I still have to put thought into even the Naruku fights at level 80.
I believe so...The game asked me if I wanted to replay it and I chose so. I can resummon my demons, I have all my skills and my armor is still there while I'm at the beginning of the game.
Well it sorta just depends on your beliefs. I think here they sorta just made it out to be terrible since their solution was: to be free from god = destroy everything. There's probably alternatives that aren't that bad.
So answer me this, when they say the universe do they mean just their world? Or do they mean ALL of the Amala Multiverse? Including Personas universe, Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga and more?
entirely possible that it's just that one branch of the Alama Network(SMT Multiverse) that gets wiped out of existence. I never played the NES/SNES MegaTen titles, but they all seem fairly disjointed from one another aside from some reoccurring characters/demons and general thematics. Again, it could just be the multiverse branches attached to the main universe in SMT IV that are wiped away with the "Bad/Rejection" Ending.
Just their world. In Apocalypse I've heard that there's a DLC question that expands on that since SMT IV is full of plot holes. The Flynn that chose the White path reincarnated to another universe to fix what he did once he realized it wouldn't end the suffering of everyone
I just finished SMTIV as I write this down. I got tye bad ending to say the least, and as the bame implies, it was really bad. Such a weird ending. I'll try to replay it on NG+ to go for the Chaos route.
The only thing rather amusing about this ending is........the amount of work charon will have to do,other that it still makes it worth it for those AWESOME credits :D
Are you serious? In MegaTen God is a total ass. He even destroys worlds over and over again (killing all the people in those worlds) if they don't meet his standards.
Not necessarily. You kind of destroy the new garden of Eden and force everyone living there to go to Tokyo as refugees and the world is still overrun with demons.
Not really as Humanity never reaches God's expectations. outside rare occurrences yet God hasn't destroyed humanity after all that time. Hell, the fact that Tokyo still was around, even though the Archangels hated it, shows that God prefers to let humanity do their own thing as long as it isn't siding with the demons completely.
![Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse Boss Friends [APOCALYPSE] [ANARCHY]](/img/n.gif)
I think this ending makes more sense when you've played all of the main SMT games. I don't like this option, but I can see where the White are coming from. After dealing with this sort of bullshit over and over, it makes sense to want it to finally stop.
And yet, we still keep coming back for more... No matter how much sense The White make, from where I stand, it's still the easy way out. To let our despair consume us, that's taking the easy route. I'm pretty sure that a fair number of us would rather stand tall and keep going until the very end, but I also know that there are those of us that don't have the strongest of wills. I apologize for the rant and all.
I just want another sequel. Whoo~
Literally segatlus
True Demon Ending tho
It is confirmed that in SMT IV Apocalypse, The Whites plan would be useless because it only affects one universe, other universe won't be affected by nothingness or even have the white in it.
Edit: this is from the wiki "as every possibility observed becomes real and branches off into countless parallel universes, meaning that destroying all existence is impossible and futile from the beginning as their plan only destroys a single universe."
Flynn's cold stare into the face of annihilation gave me chills...
Chaos Ending = Fuck Mikado.
Law Ending = Fuck Tokyo.
Bad Ending = Fuck...EXISTENCE.
i think merkabah and lucifer say "well,that was unexpected"
You'll never see it coming
Arthur Dias a last surprise
I think even with all their bragging of their might, they don't have power over the white hence why they need to borrow Flynn's hand in ending them. Yes, from the looks of things they probably really got scared of getting deleted by the white.
@@eddiezuniga1268 What would've made it better is if Flynn did Yusuke's All out Attack Pose while saying "The Finale"
surely flynn take over the ending.
Burroughs' voice becoming solemn is really chilling.
I fucking love it too
I agree. It gives me chills, and I love it. Because of how it shows that she knows that it's goodbye. And the end
the only benefit of this ending is to to start new game cycle early with badass demons
"Congratulations on completing the quest" annoyed me, especially when it was in the middle of a tense moment, but here it just gave me chills. And Apparently this is my true ending because this is how I ended the first time. :|
she actually says "congratulations on completing your _objective_ "
@@ImPyroChad Funny how even after all these years I can still hear the voice line in my head. This was a great game.
Charon: Beyond the river is the land of the dead...It is where the souls of the deceased endure nothingness as they await reincarnation...Oh, it's you aga- *sees the entire population of earth* *glares at MC* I'm too old for this job *packs up things* You jailers are now officially in charge.....
This is gold
I need to make a fanart of that, NOW XD
...If only I was good at drawing lol
Lol you my friend are amazing
"Endure *NOTHINGNESS*"
Wouldn't the afterlife disappear along with the universe?
Boy, Charon's going to have a big workload after this...
Assuming if the river of styx didnt get wiped out too from the blackhole
So you basically pull an Exdeath and throw everything in the void.
This has to be the weirdest SMT ending. We always had the Chaos, Neutral and Law routes, but we never expected the NOTHING route. I mean in SMT3 there was a kind of Nothing route but you got it by being indecisive and sort of a lame game over that forced you to restart the whole game, here we actively choose to do it....
I know it's been almost a decade but to me this seems pretty firmly planted in Law. Ultimate peace (in the eyes of the White) at the total cost of all freedom. TDE/Destruction ending is superficially similar but the reasons behind both are totally different, since in Nocturne it is rooted in the desire to liberate yourself from the system and gain control and freedom and establish your own autonomy.
@@jannanasi4444 the white ending is not law because after it, there is no law, only nothingness. It’s more like a dark neutral ending
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOOWN
@@GervasiusMC ah ah ah ahhh. Letting me down letting me down letting me downnnn. Ah ah ah ahh.
i got this ending on accident and Flynn's thousand yard stare as he's swallowed by the black hole is my version of the "guess I'll die" meme
Burroughs seemed depressed when you wrecked that thing.
5:05 damn, you can heard that sadness and disappoint in burrough voice
I honestly didn't care that everyone was erased but...I felt bad for Burrohs...
This is truly the bad ending in all senses of the word. This is not really humans finally being free of the cycle of agony and sorrow, this is more like humans admitting that they are weak spirited and have given up trying to be human. How depressing. Nonetheless it is still a very interesting ending. Also the end credits song is great!
Not, Nirvana is like the Shijima reason of Nocturne.
Returning everything to blank slate sounds like being free from the cycle to me. This is the state that Buddhist monks are theoretically striving for,being free from the cycle or Nirvana.
The only problem is Nirvana is supposed to be gained through individual efforts,not forced upon. Still it's close enough,and a big rejection to all the demons and angels vying to control mankind. It's not really giving up being human,that would actually more of chaos/law route where you give up humanity and fuse with angels/demons,hence letting them control you.
But of course watching vast emptiness is nothing fun, so it has to be bad ending for video game.
@@CuriousPersianCat I know this is an old reply but I think what the OP was trying to say long ago was instead of giving in to nothingness, humans can strive to make a world free from both God/Lucifer which is clearly possible with the Neutral Endings usually. It's true, you sever yourself from the cycle through nothingness but at the cost of your very existence. In my opinion, you're just giving up instead of fighting both of the oppressors and forging your own world of true human freedom but i guess there are different form of freedoms...
Does this ending correlate with the idea of Moksha in hindhuism?
@Sn0wFlakeBallet The cycle of rebirth isn't really supposed to be a good thing.
The big middle finger to God and his plan.
And Lucifer, humanity, and everything in between.
Great Will: What was that ? Huh, nothing important I guess.
-Activate Generator
- Kill everything
- See Charon
- trollface
Charon: "Alright you all know the drill, Hands up, Play Coins out."
Walter, Nozomi, Jonathan, and etc: "Hmph, he's (pointing to Flynn) paying."
Flynn: ":I"
The troll ending
And thus my New Game+ began
Nihilism. when ur against all alignment. choose nothingness
shim megami bad endings always leave you with a bad aftertaste ._.
thats why they're the bad endings.
All of the endings other than any of the Neutral endings left a bad taste in my mouth.
Smt 4 apocalypse bond ending was a real bad after taste
@@B2M2948 Because you face the consequences of your own actions, yep.
You as a player fucked up
@@B2M2948 even neutral because neutral never really accomplishes anything other than momentary bliss
I got this ending by mistake and I was confused as Fuck about what I'd done.
kind of reminds me of the game over screen from Strange Journey.
he destroyed the universe but it only restarted with flynn only existing in walters and jonathans dreams
Demonic Gene and Prayers imply that Flynn chose this ending?
Damn, I better read those mangas.
I think the bad ending's meaning is hinted at in the ability to do a New Game Plus as a reincarnation- something that should not be possible if all really was returned to nothing.
That last message "Omega turned the world into nothingness" is nightmare fuel itself.
It's even more frightening when you know Omega in Latin means end or end of all things.
It's definitely up there on the level of LIVE A LIVE's "In the end, everything was blown away."
But who is saying that, if there's nothing left?
@@billwilson6248 its just a message describing what happened
Charon's gonna be _pissed._
He’s erased too don’t worry.
man this nihilistic ending rocks~
This ending gave me the most calming feeling. It felt like falling asleep.
Well that's the easy way. But lets be honest, nobody gets into SMT because we want things to be easy. If getting things to work is hard, so be it, all those demons want to stand in our way to give humanity its freedom, we'll crush them all.
HUMANITY FUCK YEAH!
HELL YEAH
Huh... You'd think such an important thing like the Yamato Reactor would have it's own defense mechanism.
Well, the Reactor was created by the White themselves soooooo...
This ending... it's so calming.
I'm sorry, Burroughs... ;_;
*"> Everything is gone..."*
Me: What the fuck...
this ending makes me so uncomfortable
When I got this ending I was like "WHAT HAD I DONE!?!" D:
This is like the ultimate FUCK YOU to this universe, giving up all the ideals you encounter in the journey. Thought i didnt understand that decision at first, im grateful with that ending :3
Everything got erased... just like that ? It's beyond creepy
The most chilling part (apart from ending the universe and all) was when burroughs said "congratulations on completing *your objective* " note that she said that and not the usual "congratulations for completing the quest"
They even make a good argument.
As long as people don't meet God's expectations, there is always the chance that he'll destroy any world that they create. Thus making any kind of world is pointless, so just destroy it.
Challenge Quest: The Nuclear Option
just got this ending. white is right
White is ending the game 2/3rds of the way through
@@theluminousone5883 everything post alignment lock is boring and tedious. white is right
SMT when player into nihilism lol
Flynn looks into the void like the Player themselves looks into their screen while achieving this ending. Mindlessly pressing buttons until „Oh no, I guess I erased everything and everyone I know dies because of me right this second. Eh..“
A perfect representation
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Oh, you missed the speech bubble when it's damages are at 75%, it's quite sad :(
What does it say?
@Handhelder Burroughs says something along the lines of “You... do realize what will happen if you go through with this right? ...Of course you do. You wouldn’t be doing this if you didn’t know the consequences.”
This was the ending I got when I first played this and I thought "that was short for an rpg; this cant be right......."
Also that background looks creepy when no enemies are covering it lol
I chose this ending because I was very sleepy, so I didn't understand a word from white that night.
2:29 god dammit that freaks me out
I know it seems like a fine choice, nothing to cause problems after all. But it's getting back to the drawing board. It's just like pressing a reset button. The world is meant to keep going, so making it nothing is the chump's way out, especially since it will just be created again.
Hearing that even Burroughs was sounding so dissapointed left the ending all the more dissapointing.
Black Holes does not reseting anything, it a hazardous area, a gravitational force that destroys everything and it will stay like that destroying everything for eternity.
Let darkness take you.
From memory in Shin Megami Tensei 3, one of the endings shows the protagonist, ending the cycle of creation, and that all universes (the SMT lisence and Persona and in the same Multiverse), and for the moment doomed to be destroyed without qu they can be rebuilt.
Sorry for the mistakes, I'm French
Damn, dude. SMT IV pulls no punches.
God has destroyed many worlds before as shown in Shin Megami Tensei 3. Lucifer tells you that MegaTen games take place across billions of different worlds that all experience God's cycle of death and rebirth one time or another. If the world is not how God wants hit, he kills it and remakes it based on one human's Reason (that person's ideal world).
The White are probably aware of this cycle and know just because God may not have destroyed SMT 4's world yet, does not mean it won't ever happen.
Best damn ending possible.
Worse Ending, It part of Nihilism.
The nickname checks out
I love the comments section in this video. It's the best EVER XD
Oh wow just realized I almost got this ending. I chose an option that got them angry and then I had to beat them up before it moved to the law ending
scenario support: Saki Konishi?
holy crap, Adachi didn't kill you after all
Once again, Neutral is the only option that actually does humanity any good.
Thanks for uploading this, I really didn't want to fight Kenji again just to see this ending before I went on.
Guess I'll die.
You know the concept of Moksha in Jainism or Nirvana in Buddhism, right? This ending seem pretty close to them and Buddhist mostly called that the salvation of the soul. It's nothingness.
the doomer ending
"Oh, that was easy. All I had to do was to...Kill...everyone...
...Oh, balls."
Yeah. You're right. I mean, it's not you like took the cowards way out and killed billions upon billions of innocent people or something like that.
Oh, wait...
This ending basicly says: thanks for taking a shortcut, you destroyed everything now watch the credits
the white where right.
Nevermind the first comment I made(excluded that one), I have just finished reading the article about The White in the SMT Wiki and now I see their point isn't absurd - at least not in the sense I supposed it to be.
No matter what you think... Humans will never understand the concept of nothingness...
Some do
I don't blame her... Stephen and Burroughs worked so hard to scout you out to try and find the "one" as per Neutral.
The fucked up thing is that the White were arguably good guys
What's the name of the song that plays during the fight againts control device?? Sounds so creepy yet calming...
A bit late, but it's Battle B3.
I actually like this ending and I agree with the white.
thank god i had a second save before this, I chose to help the white because I thought it would involve fighting god or something as the final boss (chaos ending).
now I somehow can't beat kenji again, he keeps spamming that goddamned ailment attack. but at least I'm close to the end... i think
🐝
Nothing good, nothing bad.
It would have been funny had he said yes at the beginning and then when The White get all excited, he goes psyche.
So... this is how Ed felt at the end of FMA: B
I did this ending too, but I'm going through again to get the "Chaos" and "Law" endings. I hate that I still have to put thought into even the Naruku fights at level 80.
I believe so...The game asked me if I wanted to replay it and I chose so. I can resummon my demons, I have all my skills and my armor is still there while I'm at the beginning of the game.
Depression, the ending
What's so bad about being dead? Is it just your instinctual fear of death?
Knoughts its boring
Fear of the unknown
We do not know what is after death so we are afraid
AKA Doomer ending.
Nonexistence. Hell of a concept.
Death... is only the beginning.
Well it sorta just depends on your beliefs. I think here they sorta just made it out to be terrible since their solution was: to be free from god = destroy everything. There's probably alternatives that aren't that bad.
So answer me this, when they say the universe do they mean just their world? Or do they mean ALL of the Amala Multiverse? Including Personas universe, Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga and more?
entirely possible that it's just that one branch of the Alama Network(SMT Multiverse) that gets wiped out of existence. I never played the NES/SNES MegaTen titles, but they all seem fairly disjointed from one another aside from some reoccurring characters/demons and general thematics. Again, it could just be the multiverse branches attached to the main universe in SMT IV that are wiped away with the "Bad/Rejection" Ending.
Just their world. In Apocalypse I've heard that there's a DLC question that expands on that since SMT IV is full of plot holes. The Flynn that chose the White path reincarnated to another universe to fix what he did once he realized it wouldn't end the suffering of everyone
Ah okay I see, thanks for the insight there, I appreciate it.
I just finished SMTIV as I write this down. I got tye bad ending to say the least, and as the bame implies, it was really bad. Such a weird ending. I'll try to replay it on NG+ to go for the Chaos route.
Indeed, just as Luc was a coward for feeling the same.
The only thing rather amusing about this ending is........the amount of work charon will have to do,other that it still makes it worth it for those AWESOME credits :D
*expects Conception trigger
Nawp, Saki Konishi's alive though.*
their giggles of joy are so creepy lol
Burroughs sounds so dissapointed
we do a little trollin
So basically this ending gave the same result as "True End" in Nocturne but with white rather that black(Lucifer)
Clever.
Are you serious?
In MegaTen God is a total ass. He even destroys worlds over and over again (killing all the people in those worlds) if they don't meet his standards.
You do make an interesting point.
Well, it kinda means the end of all humanity doesn't it?
What an ending
Not necessarily. You kind of destroy the new garden of Eden and force everyone living there to go to Tokyo as refugees and the world is still overrun with demons.
What's the music that plays when the black hole appears?
Not really as Humanity never reaches God's expectations. outside rare occurrences yet God hasn't destroyed humanity after all that time. Hell, the fact that Tokyo still was around, even though the Archangels hated it, shows that God prefers to let humanity do their own thing as long as it isn't siding with the demons completely.