Is Montreal Transit Overheating?
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2020
- There are so many projects being proposed in Montreal but will any of them get built? We look at all the projects that have been announced and funded for their preliminary studies. Will they just become reports sitting in a government vault somewhere? Why do politicians start things they can't finish? Is the pink line a dream that can become a reality? Is there a better way to build things?
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OK brace yourself personal opinion, but an often overlooked advantage of streetcars are that they're very comfortable. Because they're locked into the track they never swerve side to side changing lanes. They're much heavier so accelerating happens more smoothly, and because they're on tracks they can't ever hit pot hole.
Yeah I'd agree, they're definitely more comfortable. But when I looked into the research it found that people will "put up with" buses, and that success stories in transit often sacrifice comfort for a more frequent and wider bus network.
@@PaigeMTL what is your opinion on median or segregated lane running trams with transit signal priority like in Europe
Frequency is important. You could look at the ION LRT in Region of Waterloo. For long distance trips, the LRT is definitely more comfortable. But for a short trip, if you’re standing on the LRV, it is still pretty unpleasant.
But operating high frequency of buses can get expensive with paying all those operators. So it’s easier to build BRT, but easier to operate LRT.
As someone who took Community College Web Design, made a website about the Montreal Metro for their Final project, and made an entire page about the Pink Line, I'm gonna be so damn depressed if that thing never gets built. But hey, I'm just an American who lives right next to the Quebec border. I was born a few miles too far south to do anything about it
@Ian Cypes: Where could we see it?
I spend all my summers as a kid in Alburgh, Vt., so a warm hello from me. Good memories, good people.
The proposed Pink Line isn't necessary. Take a look at the current Metro map and you will notice that by simply extending the Blue Line westwards from the Snowdon terminus through NDG, Ville St. Pierre, and Lachine, and from the eastern St. Michel terminus into districts of the northeast part of the island, that essentially the same result will be achieved as that of a pie-in-the-sky Pink Line which would cost billions and that the provincial government has no interest in financing. Furthermore, anyone paying attention can see that the empty lot that already exists adjacent to NDG's Elmhurst bus terminus and the Montreal West train station is the obvious location for an eventual Metro station link. How much longer will the public have to wait until this becomes a reality? 2050? 2090?
Rumor has it that the Lachine tramway, pink line, and tram of the east would be turned into REM lines.
Not surprising at all...I had a strong feeling that future transit in Greater Montreal might just happen under CPDQ Infra, with money to be made from TODs.
This comment aged like the fine wine.
@@justsamoo3480 I'm so glad it's working out. ❤️
REM is a great mode of transport, so that's a very positive thing. Elevated transit is so underrated (we may have gotten it right with the El concept in the first place) due to how cheap it is, and REM is going to be really modern, be fully automated, and boast high frequencies. I'll probably prefer it to taking the Metro tbh.
The tramway’s capacity advantage is not anecdotal ! Because if you increase a bus line performance by pushing stops apart and improving frequencies, then usually you’ll end with so much ridership that your buses (even accordion ones) won’t be enough (and that affect the line’s performance in the end)
Mate, you are hilarious!! Fun but driving across the point...
Holding almost half of Canada's population, Quebec City - Windsor HSR is a no-brainer! Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal corridor's distance is in the sweet spot of Far-to-drive-short-to-fly range. For all the talk about 'green energy & sustainable growth' little is being done on ground.
Interestingly, even train-averse US is making some progress! Those new Acela Liberty trains from Alstom look gorgeous. And QC's cousin is asking Air France to reduce flights on routes that compete with TGV as a condition for govt bailout.
The Aveila trains may look nice* but suck. Who buys a loco hauled train in 2020 with a maxpseed way higher than you can use when you can get a high speed EMU that can accelerate and brake quickly.
*there is a terrible gap between the locos and the coaches and it looks horrible.
Laval resident here. The plan for having the orange line loop has been spoken about for at least 15 years. It would make a lot of sense, but I don't think it's necessarily the cynical reality of clientele politics. All Laval administration have been on board with the projects since then, I think that it's mostly just not the highest priority in terms of transit. The east-west link for Laval would make a lot of sense too, as it is sorely lacking. Not like there's any lack of space to build it on that behemoth of a highway 440 anyway.
I’m a transit nerd and I have too much time in quarantine so I took a deepdive into the history and stats on the Montreal metro and honestly the pink line as a subway seems like a great idea, at least to the East, it would give high capacity transit to an extremely dense neighborhood and act as a relief line for the orange line,Hope y’all get it!
Well I think being into something means I have to be wary of my own preferences. I would personally spend a lot more money than most on transit if I was allocating my tax dollars, but we live in a society that must share our pooled resources. Hence I'll settle for a bus lane or tram if it increases density enough to then be able to afford a subway with that new tax base.
I think that for people using exclusively or mostly just cars (and the cool “buses are for the poor and minorities” crowd), the perceived superior confort, effectiveness and allure of (mostly grade separated) rail trumps the economical value of buses. It’s worth considering when trying to have more people transition to mass transit. The pink line definitely makes sense to me, but I’m not sure it has that high a potential to bring new users to the network, unless extended to Laval’s eastend and Terrebonne. Reimagining it as a regional metro could make it more appealing politically and financially at the provincial level. Sure, the tunnel section is insanely expensive, but then you can expend that shit with a bunch of “low-cost” at-grade branches in Laval and the north shore. When developing mass transit in the suburbs, a little bit of rail is definitely worth it as a bait and densification tool.
I don't know why the focus now isn't put on extending out Montreal's REM network now and making these new expansions to the suburbs REM. I mean the new REM system is nicer than the Metro, is going to be fully automated, and will boast high frequencies.
Another cool project coming in Montreal is the Réseau express vélo (REV). It's basically a luxurious bike lane highway. Not really transit, but at least it's not for cars
Yeah, it's on the list as a pretty straightforward project to do a quick video about.
they have already installed a small segment of it on Bellechasse. You should go visit!
From which points will it run? I live in St-Laurent and work in Point aux Tremble and because of the covid situation i decided to buy a e-bike to commute. I live right by Henri Bourassa west and my work is right by Henri Bourassa in PAT so i just ride it all the way down. It takes a little over an hour but that express highway for bikes would be nice. Probably cut down on the time
@@RickJ666ESQ The only E-W REV in construction is on Bellechasse street. Lets hope new lines will be added if there is demand and funding
dont let novabusfan know that u dont like buses
Or Reece that he doesn't like Trams... I can already HEAR the clowncar music coming XD
Great vid, poor Pink Line
Excellent video! Awesome graphics too! ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Novabusfan sent me here. Subscribed! ✅
I totally agree with your views. As a geographer and born/bred Montrealer myself you’re spot on.
As an inveterate unrepentant metro fan I mourn the pink line of course...
My suggestion: extend the blue line 3 stops “north” after Anjou to Marie-Victorin College. Helps give some modicum of service to Mtl-N and RDP.
But sell it as a way to get the metro closer to eastern Laval and Terrebonne and all those juicy CAQ votes. 😜
“That be great we could go regularly” the fear in his eyes 🤣
The issue with south shore buses is that they have frequency of 1 bus every 5 days
Bravo! Montreal is not an island.
... having been saying this to blank stares for years.
I think Manchester , Croydon and possibly Edinburgh are good examples of “trams”, speaking mainly abt Manchester, beside the city centre (where the congestion is actually mainly based on just how dense the service is), they’ve done some seriously high level integration with road traffic, yes there’s traffic in some instances that they have to wait in, but I think so,e people forget that tram routes are designed in some part as an upgrade to high demand bus corridors
I mean with a BRT it really depends. If it's just a painted bus lane, then I get your point of it being cheaper, more flexible, etc., but when a city is investing in some median BRT with stations and all, then it makes more sense to go for a light rail line and seize the benefits of rail because then the argument for buses' flexibility goes out the window as you're basically investing in building out a massive right of way with stations, and that doesn't sound very flexible to me.
I was so happy for the pink. Yeah, Montreal-Nord would finally be able to joint downtown in a good amount of time and we could redirect anjou population on that line.
I'm so sad that those populations will still get isolated. :(
It'd be great of they combined the Pink Line proposal with the Yellow Line via Berri UQAM to have a continuous north-south metro stretching from Montreal Nord (Perras/Ozias Leduc and/or Marie Victorien) to Longueuil extended to Airport St Hubert. That way the Notre Dame tramway could run from Dorval west-east to Point Aux Trembles/Bout De Ille.
Only if it includes a REM to the Dorval Via Rail station.
my first vid I've discovered from you and I'm loving it. This is really great.
So true about the ribbon cutting on a BRT. The idea of a REM extension to farm country would not make sense along with the extension of the yellow line.
Awesome vid man. Deserves 10x the views!
REM takes the the focus and funding. REM est will be better then people think. And hopefully REM will take over the commuter line towards Dorval, and go onwards to a southwest corridor towards the airport. This covers NDG, Montreal West, Lachine, Dorval, and goes from downtown Boventure to the airport. It can meet up the current south shore to west Island line and the proposed future east line.
Your videos are so incredibly informative and enjoyable
Great video
I like your video BUT, i'am so not agree with the no utility of the tramway. The majority of tramways have more capacity than BRT and there are a lot of advantages of a tramway instead of a BRT, like confort or pollution. Moreover, i'am in general very not in favor of tramways in very large urban areas, metro or light metro (whatever they called it) are very better for speed and capacity reasons. Prefer the REM instead of Tramway as well^^
are there any plans to convert other exo lines to lrt/rem similar to what they're doing to the deux montagne line? The mascouche line goes through montreal nord and could be a portion of the proposed pink line.
I think the reason you don't hear this idea being raised (Because it makes a lot of sense) is because the line to the North is still owned by CN. I assume that if the REM goes well the city might approach CN and propose buying the line or working together to upgrade it with an agreement like they did with the Mont-Royal tunnel. Still, it would make it more expensive than it appears at first glance.
Really wasn't expecting that accent on a video about Montreal.
This video is informative AND hilarious!!! One of your best ❤ 😂
Chambly DID have light rail until the mid-1950s, with the Electric Interurban, which actually went all the way to Granby.
Love your videos, keep it up. Personally I'm hoping they build that Bois Franc metro station. It's about a 15 min walk from my house.
That'd be swell, you'd go from having a bus to a transit hub
Another thought: Build the long elusive Hudson to Oka bridge, redesignate the aforementioned bridge and Highway 640 as the new Highway 40 alignment (a northern bypass complementing Highway 30), then the Metropolitan expressway could be removed entirely. Use the former highway right-of-way between Anjou and Highway 15 for a new at-grade metro line between Côte-Vertu and Anjou, which would require no tunnelling at all or only a minimal cut-and-cover tunnel under a revamped Crémazie Boulevard around Saint-Laurent. Then, two-way bike lanes could be installed on each side of Crémazie. This could likely all be built for about $1.5 billion, less than the cost of the proposed Blue line extension.
Awesome very clever definitely worth a look
Used to live on the south shore. It has bad transit!
Gros swag la casquette Capitaine Sandwich
I found a map from 2013 that had the following planned projects;
* An Orange Line extension linking Côte-Vertu and Montmorency via Bois-Franc. This would make the Orange Line a circle rather than the current U shape.
* An extension of the Yellow Line through Boucherville. No ending point was shown.
* An extension of the Blue Line to Anjou.
* A commuter rail line from Gare Central to Montreal North ending at Masouche. I believe this is now the Exo Line 5.
I listed these from what I believe is less likely to most likely.
Maybe if we put the name of the politicians who signed off the project instead of the names of dead inoffensive politicians on the lines, we might be able to flatter the ego of our current leaders enough to make them sign off more projects that will spread their name all around topography.
Another excellent video Paige, as expected. Looking forward to hearing your video on the electoral systems which hold us back.
Hot take on what Covid-19 will due to transit use, and hence, the funding model?
Any thoughts on if the basic dimensions need to change for the interior of public transit vehicles? I hate cars in cities, but that 4 square metres of personal, enclosed space is looking pretty sweet right now.
I don't think covid is going to have any direct long term impact on transit to be honest. Can you imagine the city allowing the metro to close or selling off buses? In fact the stimulus spending if anything will probably grow these things.
Remote workers and hastened changes to commuting patterns seem like a much more likely indirect impact to think about. How does a transit system work if people don't commute as much anymore?
Lachine tramway will be most likely be exclusive ROW because it could trace along the highway and then the old train tracks on Victoria avenue. Its a good project!
CDPQ infra taking over the RTL studies for Taschereau project *rejoice*!
That's a good sign that the project has legs
the history of trams doesn't just end at financial viability. It's true that trams made a loss, but this was due to the focus on personal vehicles, that required sturdier, wider and bigger roads. It didn't make sense to emphasize cars so much and keep investing in tramsways. As a result, trams disappeared.
Trams can totally make sense when they're running on the streets. Energywise, a tram will always win from a bus or from a car, electric or not. Besides, most trams run in quite urbanized environments that we should be cleaning of cars anyways.
Though you forgote one avantage of tram and it's a big one. No emission
Here's the Santa 0:25
François I can do this anymore I am married 😂😂😂
Make a video on why the Quebec tramway was cancelled.
Les Anglais votent toujours pour le parti Libéral . Ils ont fait quoi au juste pour Montréal , ces 100 dernières années ou ils ont été au pouvoir ? Faut poser la question à Jean Charest
There are some other advantages to trams such as property development and pleasure of riding. I guarantee more ppl would rather ride a tram than a bus to work.
Yes, and more people still would ride a metro. But value for money is the aim here. More people are riding transit when you focus on value.
It’s been real y'all
RIP Pink Line
2016-2020
We never really gave you a chance
Long live the pink solution
“The south shore: you paid no attention to it until the rem infrastructure started popping up”
You should do REM de l'Est
Where that's accent from?
The REM isn't just your average light rail. It's fully automatic. It's not meant to go on streets at all.
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Can you make a video about the extension of Highway 19?
It will happen one day?
Great videos 👍
I just don't know anything about it. It does go to Laval though so maybe the opportunity for some Laval jokes will rope me in one day.
Luis Hernandez try the TheNovaBusFan, might be content more relevant for his channel
It's a shore thing!
C'est tellement bon le capitaine sandwich
There is a rumour that a completed tunnel, without rails, was built westward. As this was mostly English speaking areas being served, it was stopped. Anytruth?
Why it so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some claimed advantages of buses: 1. It doesn't need rail maintain; no, but I'd argue that the road maintenance is higher even on bus dedicated lanes. 2. Cars don't get stuck behind buses; no less than trams... 3. Buses can hold the same number of people as trams; I'm pretty sure trams have higher capacity, they are wider, don't have big wheels that take bench space and have more doors meaning faster loading/unloading 4. Buses are cheap to run; Trams are cheaper, cheaper labor, cheaper energy(electricity is cheaper than fuel also electric buses require battery replacement every several years, trams don't) cheaper maintenance (combustion engine require more maintenance than electric ones and roadways have greater toll on vehicules than rails combining in trams generally having a lifespan twice as long). Trams have higher capacity, are cheaper to operate, are greener, have smoother ride and are quieter than buses.
Tram tram tram!
I mean just to most of your points this was the "sales pitch" of trams circa 1940, so for example at the time the way that buses pull out of traffic when loading and unloading meant cars didn't get stuck behind them. You still have this today with many on the road trams.
Isn't the REM east ( 🤢) the Pink line?
South shore , how else you are going to get to America ? I thought the entire Québec was in America ?
The proposed Pink Line isn't necessary. Take a look at the current Metro map and you will notice that by simply extending the Blue Line westwards from the Snowdon terminus through NDG, Ville St. Pierre, and Lachine, and from the eastern St. Michel terminus into districts of the northeast part of the island, that essentially the same result will be achieved as that of a pie-in-the-sky Pink Line which would cost billions and that the provincial government has no interest in financing. Furthermore, anyone paying attention can see that the empty lot that already exists adjacent to NDG's Elmhurst bus terminus and the Montreal West train station is the obvious location for an eventual Metro station link. How much longer will the public have to wait until this becomes a reality? 2050? 2090?
Extending the Blue line to west is not happening. The Quebec governments couldn't care less about the West island.
Why does this dude have an Australian accent if he’s from Montreal?!
Isn't it great living here? LOL
Your accent is making me so confused! It's not exactly Aussie or Kiwi, it's mixed with something I can't identify... but probably you've lived in Canada for a good while?
I find your criticisms of tramways as slightly disingenuous. modern tramways work incredibly well around the world. the issue is that you're looking at it as an "either or" between LRT and trams when they accomplish fundamentally different things.
Tramways look to provide a higher (i'd argue the highest) quality of local service, for people making shorter trips of a few kms.
LRT seeks to be more of a catch all mode, using tram vehicles on more regional scaled services, which is silly as if you're grade separating and going for long distance, why even use a tram vehicle? why not build a light metro like in Vancouver and unlock higher speeds and capacity for your money? the issue with LRT is its flexibility to do a bunch of stuff means it's not actually that good at any of them.
The Lachine Tramway seems to me to be more in line with what a tram's meant to do. connect a local community to higher order transit.
The South Shore Tramway is bad as it shouldn't even be using tram vehicles at all. it should be similar to say, a REM 2, as a highly elevated light metro, acting as a regional scale transit backbone to the south shore from which other local transit can connect from. Light rail isn't really the solution either.
Finally, trams have many more benefits over buses than you think. They are more enviornmentally friendly (no batteries required for electrification, no rolling resistance, no tire rubber waste, etc.), they are more attractive, more comfortable, better drivers of dense new developments (TOD), see higher ridership as a result of being a rail vehicle (even compared to BRT), requires less maintenance on vehicles, requires often less space than LRT equivalent BRT projects, lower operating cost. and yes, they are higher capacity and by a huge margin.
buses, modern trams, and lrt all achieve different things, so criticising them as if they are different ways of doing the same thing isnt really fair
I'm really not a fan at all of your argument at 2:00. The fact is that roads do need to be maintained and it does cost a rather large sum of money to do that. It's also factually incorrect to say that it can hold the same number of peoples.
@3:30 I don't say that, they only sometimes do if you have a small tram and a large BRT bus
The anti-tram cabal is led by Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? To quote:
Judge Doom : "... I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night. Soon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food. Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful."
Pink line is an unrealistic idea, it costs a fortune to dig and build underground subway stations. The best solution would be an Eastern REM project just like the one being done for west island. Cost effective and quick doable in five to ten years
arretez de voter pour les Liberaux ffs
Most of them won't be realized in 10 years
Well no, probably not. Few administrations last 3 terms and you need about a decade to get infrastructure projects through to the point of no return. That's the sad reality that I was talking about at the end of the video, most of the projects being studied are perfectly good ideas, but they won't be the premier in 2030s "good idea"
nusic in the intro too loud, docking a couple points for that one