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Komentáře • 428

  • @Gakusangi
    @Gakusangi Před 2 lety +77

    Nothing like low-level invasions. Especially at the start of the game where not everyone knows where everything is. It just gets you some nice, straight-forward, non-gimmicky matches.

  • @ugliestmfalive
    @ugliestmfalive Před 2 lety +333

    The "uh-huh" everytime they try and parry is a certified oro classic

  • @IamMillennia
    @IamMillennia Před 2 lety +372

    I was the one who fell down the elevator haha I was mad I thought it was still up so I didn’t know I was gonna fall 😂

    • @cosmicallupus2201
      @cosmicallupus2201 Před 2 lety +3

      You enjoyed falling

    • @ThatRipOff
      @ThatRipOff Před 2 lety +35

      Well, on the bright side, you didn't have to wait for the elevator to come back down after you respawned lol

    • @grimmy7937
      @grimmy7937 Před 2 lety +1

      Scrub

    • @IamMillennia
      @IamMillennia Před 2 lety +29

      @@grimmy7937 how does that make me a scrub? Lmao I’m sure that’s happened to everyone at least once

    • @IamMillennia
      @IamMillennia Před 2 lety +3

      @@ThatRipOff that’s true lol

  • @TreebeardXIV
    @TreebeardXIV Před 2 lety +16

    “He’s spamming jump attacks”
    R1, R1, R1, R1, R1 - Brandon 2022

  • @Grim_4220
    @Grim_4220 Před 2 lety +36

    hearing "the parry king is back" brought back so many memories good to see another souls game for you to play

  • @pathfindersavant3988
    @pathfindersavant3988 Před 2 lety +81

    Yup, there's the "R1 spam into the empty air while the enemy backs up and kills your buddy" we've all come to expect from Invasions.

    • @abraxe5469
      @abraxe5469 Před 2 lety +2

      Ok

    • @greyman7605
      @greyman7605 Před 2 lety +2

      Bruh if its expected adapt insteqd of crying

    • @pathfindersavant3988
      @pathfindersavant3988 Před 2 lety +2

      @@greyman7605 You appear to not be aware of what "humor" is

    • @greyman7605
      @greyman7605 Před 2 lety

      @@pathfindersavant3988 humor is lost in text hard to tell 90% of the time

  • @xeniamorph
    @xeniamorph Před 2 lety +303

    Bleed seems AMAZING. And, I honestly hope it doesn't get nerfed. Status effects need a comeback.

    • @a_angry_bunny
      @a_angry_bunny Před 2 lety +32

      Bleed was amazing in DS3 as well until it was nerfed.

    • @xeniamorph
      @xeniamorph Před 2 lety +28

      Yeah, all the status effects in DS3 were basically pointless. Here's hoping that doesn't happen to Elden Ring!

    • @Fano2311
      @Fano2311 Před 2 lety +18

      I’m hoping we have viable “luck” builds this time with so many bleed themed abilities/weapons

    • @Ezekiel_Allium
      @Ezekiel_Allium Před 2 lety +21

      Arcane is also connected with dragon miracles, so I bet some clerics are gonna be throwing around bleed quite a bit

    • @BonesYourDaddy
      @BonesYourDaddy Před 2 lety +3

      Nerfs shouldn’t happen. I know they will but I wish they wouldn’t

  • @cry_stain
    @cry_stain Před 2 lety +11

    that fight with the host on the rising elevator was so cool, it was like out of an action movie or something

  • @x1r0n83
    @x1r0n83 Před rokem +3

    I just started the game yesterday having never played any souls before. I was so excited to get invaded with my little starter set and nothing what so ever upgraded 🤣
    Had a good time as a newb, even got a few hits in. Cheers to my many hours ahead as I progress!

  • @OniBoy02
    @OniBoy02 Před 2 lety +4

    I remember being in a fight club on DS3 a few years ago and I had killed three players in a row, I had so much euphoric adrenaline pumping through me that I didn’t even realize what I had done until I stopped for a moment and self reflected. I lost all confidence in myself as I was broken away from the moment and ended up dying in the next round from overthinking things. That was a big learning moment for me.

  • @Fano2311
    @Fano2311 Před 2 lety +21

    Your laugh when that host fell was so evil haha

  • @NihilisticGoliath
    @NihilisticGoliath Před 2 lety +7

    Low-level Soulsbourne PvP is so much fun to watch, when not everyone debuffs or kills in two hits. :)

  • @demonknight3986
    @demonknight3986 Před 2 lety +111

    "How the Turns have Tabled!"
    -Oroboro 2022
    Words from a true Wordsmith

    • @brodycase341
      @brodycase341 Před 2 lety +2

      What not watching the office does to a mf.

  • @Shlompskii
    @Shlompskii Před 2 lety +5

    I miss the good ol' days of dark souls 1 invasions where you could actually have 1v1's and people were gentlemen who didn't use estus

    • @nathanmagnuson2589
      @nathanmagnuson2589 Před 2 lety +3

      Join a fight club if that’s what you want.

    • @drewb1979
      @drewb1979 Před 2 lety +4

      @@nathanmagnuson2589 No, he's saying he misses relatively fair invasions. Every invasion being a 1v3 gankfest is fucking lame.

  • @hystericbunny76
    @hystericbunny76 Před 2 lety +22

    omg, man this is so fun, im not really good at invasion or pvp, but i dont quit, its part of the game. i love your style man. nice vid

  • @sword-and-shield
    @sword-and-shield Před 2 lety +7

    8:57..that quick spin to waste that caster was sweet

  • @a_angry_bunny
    @a_angry_bunny Před 2 lety +35

    I'm kind of sad that I can't get invaded while solo. Though, I suppose that would get kind of annoying pretty quickly.

    • @James_Rustled
      @James_Rustled Před 2 lety +23

      You can if you use the taunting tongue

    • @wizord2651
      @wizord2651 Před 2 lety +9

      if you are wondering you get the toungue from a red npc invader in the hub area

    • @politedemons
      @politedemons Před 2 lety +9

      @@wizord2651 i swear that npc is better than real players

    • @ethanalspencer7294
      @ethanalspencer7294 Před 2 lety +4

      @@politedemons It's got a great build lol, they even made them kind of eclectic with both themed frostbite stuff and the blood spell if you get too close.

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Před 2 lety

      @@ethanalspencer7294
      Can you make that build too?

  • @alucas705
    @alucas705 Před 2 lety +8

    I think this is the most fun ive had invading in any "souls" game i think it being so open adds alot to it somehow

  • @ztemde978
    @ztemde978 Před 2 lety +2

    I don’t know which was better. That 3v1 or the controller dying. Bravo sir, thanks for the entertainment.

  • @NVversus
    @NVversus Před 2 lety +14

    I wish I had more time so I could play more PvP. I'm just mainlining the solo PvE content first playthrough. I hope PvP stays healthy for a long time after release so I can really get into it this time around! Great video as always, Oro!

    • @thedrunkensunbro
      @thedrunkensunbro Před 2 lety

      This game is gonna be active for years. You'll have plenty of time to get into it.

  • @TheBlakeMangini
    @TheBlakeMangini Před 2 lety +13

    wow these were some intense invasions! Thanks for posting, these were great

  • @found6393
    @found6393 Před 2 lety +33

    I treat Souls pvp as a spectator sport, with you and Chasethebro as my favorite competitors.

    • @mychannel-lt9yu
      @mychannel-lt9yu Před 2 lety +3

      I never knew that was what I've been doing all these years until you put it into words. I've been telling my friends how much time they waste watching sports, and I'm basically the same lol

    • @navnishbhardwaj3436
      @navnishbhardwaj3436 Před 2 lety

      Try jeenine.

  • @RichardMPM
    @RichardMPM Před 2 lety +6

    "The turns have tabled" Thats the moment I knew the host was done for.

  • @scalycoronet5198
    @scalycoronet5198 Před 2 lety +3

    The first invasion showing that, once again, the Longsword is awesome. Its amazing for PvP and PvE, able to stagger Margit in three Heavy Square Off’s

  • @Zappy_C
    @Zappy_C Před 2 lety +15

    lmfao that first invasion. Go in, kill a summon, refuse to elaborate, leave

  • @Elegiast
    @Elegiast Před 2 lety +17

    I love the group of three suddenly changing their hyper aggressive approach the moment you made it to the convoy. Cravens, the lot of them!

  • @hikitikiguy2729
    @hikitikiguy2729 Před 2 lety +4

    That weapon art that does bleed looks insanely strong

  • @Terrbearr428
    @Terrbearr428 Před 2 lety +5

    You and Peeve already dominating in pvp. Just have to see if Chase will hold his own when he eventually jumps into invading

  • @haremo1009
    @haremo1009 Před 2 lety +1

    The knight and the wizard felt like a boss fight.

  • @nottrollber5864
    @nottrollber5864 Před 2 lety +12

    That blood slash in insane, currently using it on my playthrough, it lets me tackle bosses I probably shouldn’t be fighting yet, and yeah as y’all can see it s nuts in pvp

    • @marconde897
      @marconde897 Před 2 lety

      what name and where to get it?

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Před 2 lety

      @@marconde897
      Its a hidden treasure.

    • @omensoffate
      @omensoffate Před 2 lety

      @@marconde897 it’s an art of war you can get from a knight in a tower se of main limgrand or whatever it’s called

    • @gaminggaming.6071
      @gaminggaming.6071 Před 2 lety +3

      You get it by killing the knight in fort nait

    • @suyoze1747
      @suyoze1747 Před 2 lety

      Bleed build.
      Reduvia dagger
      Blood slash
      Bloodloss shield

  • @p3drozroom
    @p3drozroom Před 2 lety +1

    Man, every time a new Souls game is released, I always get excited to see your pvp videos. Insane.

  • @theycallmeJacko
    @theycallmeJacko Před 2 lety +3

    the BGM during invasions is SO AMAZING

  • @hamanu666
    @hamanu666 Před 2 lety +2

    "It has Begun!" Shang Tsung, Mortal Combat

  • @Labelup01
    @Labelup01 Před 2 lety +3

    Bleed + storm stomp = "well... guess I'll die"

  • @chaostheory3011
    @chaostheory3011 Před 2 lety +3

    We have been waiting for too long to see you dominate these lands!

  • @Worick_
    @Worick_ Před 2 lety

    The first week of invasions was euphoric lol

  • @1512125
    @1512125 Před 2 lety +1

    Bloody slash is such an equalizer for invaders, love it

  • @warthog-facedbuffoncantmak4177

    Pvp looks amazing. Can't wait for fight clubs with all those finished builds

    • @Guacamolex
      @Guacamolex Před 2 lety +2

      Give it a month or two and we will have the best of fight clubs in all of the realms

    • @user-pj1ec5om5g
      @user-pj1ec5om5g Před 2 lety

      @@Guacamolex I hope people use areas with different elevations for fight clubs too and not just classic rings, I’d love to take advantage of terrain in a duel.

  • @hamanu666
    @hamanu666 Před 2 lety +1

    We have you outnumbered three to one Oro! -host
    No that's what I call a target rich environment!- Oro

  • @jeremyathey8569
    @jeremyathey8569 Před 2 lety +7

    Any know where to get Wireless controller battery low weapon at? Looks OP.

  • @Maw0822
    @Maw0822 Před 2 lety +1

    Fighting on an elevator was so sick

  • @SuperLordjulius
    @SuperLordjulius Před 2 lety

    Your comments are some of the best when you outplay the enemies. I was laughing the whole video

  • @dusa59
    @dusa59 Před 2 lety +2

    DUDE its me and my friend on our first hours on min 2-4 i something lool

  • @brandonleask613
    @brandonleask613 Před 2 lety

    Holy hell! At 3:35 they were backing you into a corner and in an instat you spun around him and rolled once to pin them against the wall.

  • @Baalthazzar
    @Baalthazzar Před 2 lety

    Seeing you tank those bleed procs is something else. Guess I should've invested in vigor earlier...

  • @Leonscott80
    @Leonscott80 Před 2 lety

    Man that 3v1 situation looked PRETTY rough, the outcome was so satisfying

  • @crtnr-ft2wz
    @crtnr-ft2wz Před 2 lety +2

    Guys like you make game so unenjoyable

  • @Krispo7007
    @Krispo7007 Před 2 lety +3

    Sun Bros on they way to R1.

  • @jacobhatfield6100
    @jacobhatfield6100 Před 2 lety +3

    Hell yea can’t wait for elden ring invasion uploads

  • @Kafson
    @Kafson Před 2 lety +5

    These game journalists be disconnecting lol.

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Před 2 lety +4

      I think I actually invaded a polygon reviewer, they all have the same _Polygon in their psn names. They didn’t put up a very good fight. But to be fair a lot of the people I invaded didn’t.

  • @cyranodeb3963
    @cyranodeb3963 Před 2 lety +2

    Yes! I've been waiting for this video!

  • @jasoncarto
    @jasoncarto Před 2 lety

    It's good to see that a game can come along where oboro can't just solo everyone with out any trouble

  • @ixiahj
    @ixiahj Před 2 lety +1

    The dmg is facinating. Looks like people fighting with no upgrade weapons.

  • @rustyshackleford2792
    @rustyshackleford2792 Před 2 lety +1

    Back in the day the blue guy would fight through the red and if he killed the blue then he got to fight the host. Like an honor system. Also no healing.

    • @chaostheory3011
      @chaostheory3011 Před 2 lety

      It'll probably get back to that before too long. Once all the new players dwindle off and people stay on for pvp

  • @Frox
    @Frox Před 2 lety

    classic oro, reminds me of the old days getting hatemail

  • @taothetaoist-6166
    @taothetaoist-6166 Před 2 lety

    story of a knight and bunchs samurais

  • @josephbostaph9773
    @josephbostaph9773 Před 2 lety

    “Guys back stabs are not a thing”
    *gets back stabbed 3 times in battle*
    Lol

  • @merritt2014
    @merritt2014 Před 2 lety

    Wtf happening at 14:14 ? It's like he got yeeted but then recovered in mid air lmao.

  • @pallydan9k
    @pallydan9k Před 2 lety

    33:33 dang you learned how to dance

  • @rafaelbrito9519
    @rafaelbrito9519 Před 2 lety +5

    So hosts can still disconnect on invaders, no consequences? Damn, from software really gave invaders the middle finger on this one.

    • @Kitcho771
      @Kitcho771 Před 2 lety

      By the look of it npcs don't damage the invaders??

    • @stupidanon5941
      @stupidanon5941 Před 2 lety

      This is not true. Disconnecting like that will get you banned, says so right in the terms of service.

    • @rafaelbrito9519
      @rafaelbrito9519 Před 2 lety

      @@stupidanon5941 Do you have more information on how many dcs until you get banned? And what kind of ban it is? Because in ds2 if you dc 20 times you get softbanned, but use a bone of order and you not banned anymore. That item also respawns with time.

    • @stupidanon5941
      @stupidanon5941 Před 2 lety

      @@rafaelbrito9519 The terms of service weren't abundantly clear about that, but judging from the network test, you can have only like, 2-3 intentional DCs before you wind up on the softban server. There are instructions in the terms of service for appealing bans, which involve contacting From Software directly. If there is an item that undoes the softban, I haven't seen it yet.

  • @kimaniarnold3405
    @kimaniarnold3405 Před 2 lety +2

    If I see another fort night message I swear

  • @Faydwarf
    @Faydwarf Před 2 lety

    Man I missed your pvp videos, they get so epic for no reason. But omg so many katana lmao

  • @liveyourbestlife9039
    @liveyourbestlife9039 Před 2 lety

    That solid 👌backstab grab chain @20:50

  • @codyadams9923
    @codyadams9923 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank God for these videos! Still gotta wait to get the game😔

    • @axeljuarez7930
      @axeljuarez7930 Před 2 lety +1

      I’m still waiting for my collectors edition since it got delayed because of weather, stay strong Tarnished one!

  • @PolishGoblinn
    @PolishGoblinn Před rokem +1

    I know it's day one video and all but man, nobody mentioning fia's debuff? that's bizzare

  • @SavageSaskatch
    @SavageSaskatch Před 2 lety

    its so good to have these for a new game! parry king is back!

  • @ElDrHouse2010
    @ElDrHouse2010 Před 2 lety +1

    Its the exact same meta as in DS3 + bleeding lol
    I guess here the bloodshades are unstoppable

  • @WiseOwl_1408
    @WiseOwl_1408 Před 2 lety

    Nice flight on the start of vid.

  • @Corwin12000
    @Corwin12000 Před 2 lety +1

    insane hitbox at 21:38

  • @CydonianKnights11
    @CydonianKnights11 Před 2 lety +2

    now its all one shot builds.

  • @dmaxwell3334
    @dmaxwell3334 Před 2 lety +4

    People always asked why I play with a wired controller...
    That is why

  • @pallydan9k
    @pallydan9k Před 2 lety

    Those hits sound so crunchy

  • @0zWiz
    @0zWiz Před 2 lety +2

    8:57 it was satisfying seeing you crush their confidence. Man that range melee combo is sweats don't they lol
    12:34 ayyyy the squad in voice chat lmao 15:00 they sweating bullets 17:20 oh how the table turned
    20:23 parry back to back
    29:10 omg that's hilarious

  • @colej7973
    @colej7973 Před 2 lety

    18:20 i feel secondhand embarseement for this guy goddamn

  • @hezcrawford3765
    @hezcrawford3765 Před 2 lety

    Bro, bloody slash is an insane Ash of war, it does so much damage for no reason lmao

  • @idrissawane2059
    @idrissawane2059 Před rokem

    Waw Rivers of blood was in insanely deadly back in the days

  • @squid1481
    @squid1481 Před 2 lety +2

    The jump attacks seem real hard to punish
    But it's still early days, and I'm not an experienced invader

    • @Blackknightkirk
      @Blackknightkirk Před 2 lety

      Throwing knife headshots work

    • @lutherheggs451
      @lutherheggs451 Před 2 lety

      Not really....Guard counters can fuck up the garbage players who constantly try spamming jump attacks....You can also parry those IF you know how to parry..

  • @jonesy8700
    @jonesy8700 Před rokem

    29:30
    you can actually pinpoint the moment where elden ring PVP died
    when a weapon art did approximately 5x more damage than an R1, for 6FP
    it was only downhill from there

    • @PolishGoblinn
      @PolishGoblinn Před rokem

      mate this game is pretty much alive, i would say now more than ever

  • @PrinceRahorakhty
    @PrinceRahorakhty Před 2 lety +1

    The riposte glitch needs to be fixed. I'm glad that Fromsoft decided to get rid of the 30% health reduction.

  • @Lunchas
    @Lunchas Před 2 lety +1

    You can disable motion controls in the setting so you don't have to worry about accidentally using a gesture.

    • @Oroboro
      @Oroboro  Před 2 lety +1

      Really? This is a game changer-thank you!

  • @HyperSouls
    @HyperSouls Před 2 lety

    Enjoyed this one like the old days . let's go ORO

  • @DamagdHart64
    @DamagdHart64 Před 2 lety

    Alright Mr Obobobobo, I can now watch your vids and be spoiler free (sort of).

  • @frossassin213
    @frossassin213 Před 2 lety

    knight build with a parry shield nothing more terrifying.

  • @metalobsession188
    @metalobsession188 Před 2 lety +2

    The beast is back! Amazing as always. I wish i could join the pvp fun but unfortunately im on xbox

    • @ChromaEquinox
      @ChromaEquinox Před 2 lety

      Why does being on xbox prevent you from pvp?

    • @metalobsession188
      @metalobsession188 Před 2 lety

      @@ChromaEquinox Something about xbox not receiving an updated patch that was live on PC and PlayStation

    • @cosettapessa6417
      @cosettapessa6417 Před 2 lety

      @@metalobsession188 is the pvp crossplat?

  • @ivenzeh
    @ivenzeh Před 2 lety

    love how your names one of the rings in game

  • @theProClaimer
    @theProClaimer Před 2 lety

    Good to see this guy back in his elemento

  • @ManuelFernandez-nm4hy
    @ManuelFernandez-nm4hy Před 2 lety

    Every new player that has never played a from software game chooses the samurai class lol

  • @idrissawane2059
    @idrissawane2059 Před rokem +1

    Since DS3 the Estus got too easy to use not to mention the rolls

  • @k--music
    @k--music Před 2 lety +5

    Not a fan of PVP so far, I can't get invaded bc I play solo and invading is almost out of the picture since nearly every one ends up in a 3v1 or a squad of gankers, hope we get an arena or a new irythill to fight club in

    • @Nomgoose
      @Nomgoose Před 2 lety +3

      Kill the invader in Roundtable Hold for the Taunter's Tongue. That will make you more susceptible to invasions while solo.

    • @ChromaEquinox
      @ChromaEquinox Před 2 lety

      I've had the blue circle thing active for like 10 hours so far and havent been called once! I'm still in Limgrave so maybe invasions are just rare?

    • @Nomgoose
      @Nomgoose Před 2 lety +1

      @@ChromaEquinox I had the same experience until I got passed Stormveil Castle. Now I'm getting summoned finally. I think since the game is so new, there aren't many folks with the materials to invade. And if they do have the means, you may not be in the correct level bracket to be summoned to help the host. I'm level 40 now for reference.

    • @ChromaEquinox
      @ChromaEquinox Před 2 lety +1

      @@Nomgoose Ah okay. I've purposefully been spending my runes on other stuff because I tend to always be overleveled on my first playthroughs of these games. Currently lv28 and explored most (I think) of all the places you can go pre-stormveil castle

    • @Wolfy753
      @Wolfy753 Před 2 lety

      @@ChromaEquinox I've had it active for like 15-20 hours and only been summoned once lol. And the host died to a mob seconds after I spawned inn.

  • @kingkiller_1001
    @kingkiller_1001 Před 2 lety

    Dude the parry King is back....

  • @tully8142
    @tully8142 Před 2 lety +1

    I’ve been taking it really slow. Haven’t tried invading yet, in fact idk even how to do it. Pvp is my favorite part of these games. Been playing blind and loving it

    • @Umimugo
      @Umimugo Před 2 lety

      i think once you unlock the hub area, you can buy all the multiplayer items there

    • @PTHYTQV
      @PTHYTQV Před 2 lety

      Sadly I cant stand the new pvp, with million hits needed to kill someone, and constant spam of all kinds of shit...

    • @tully8142
      @tully8142 Před 2 lety

      @@PTHYTQV stuff will get nerfed as updates come out. Spamming will slow down. Maybe it takes more hits when you’re lower level? Pvp doesn’t seem too bad in this

  • @chaosman1983
    @chaosman1983 Před 2 lety

    That beginning fight was dope loved it

  • @saint.1422
    @saint.1422 Před 2 lety +1

    the legend returns

  • @Puppet33
    @Puppet33 Před 2 lety +1

    Been running dual Riduvias and Rivers of Blood Katana and both are insane for Bleed in Pvp

    • @ChromaEquinox
      @ChromaEquinox Před 2 lety +1

      Hint as to where you get the second one? I got one from an invasion up a river

    • @Puppet33
      @Puppet33 Před 2 lety

      @@ChromaEquinox Rivers of Blood Katana is at the Church of Repose in the snowy Mountain Giants land. One of the last areas of the game :)

    • @ChromaEquinox
      @ChromaEquinox Před 2 lety

      @@Puppet33 Oh sorry, I meant the second Riduvia

    • @Puppet33
      @Puppet33 Před 2 lety

      @@ChromaEquinox ohhhhh! You are going to need a friend with an extra one to drop you it. Or you will need to beat the game and do new game+

  • @NikFlyer
    @NikFlyer Před 2 lety

    So many people don't understand what hitstun means and just press r1 until they die, I will never understand what is going on inside their brains.

  • @TheChuckers123
    @TheChuckers123 Před 2 lety

    Perfect evil villain laugh at 10:20

  • @ReaperCaliber
    @ReaperCaliber Před 2 lety

    If I could summarize my pvp so far with one sentence....Why do backstabs only work on me? lol

  • @Shinn_NB
    @Shinn_NB Před 2 lety

    Oro that red symbol with the down arrow means ur health is nerfed from hugging that woman you have to take the blessing she gave u then rest at a grace to get red of it.

  • @mikelsmith6803
    @mikelsmith6803 Před 2 lety +2

    I wish there was a craftable item to block invaders from entering the world so I could play with my friends.
    I love the invading mechanic, but with invaders only invading coop people it's practically impossible to summon without getting invaded in less than 5 minutes.

    • @BrokenKave
      @BrokenKave Před 2 lety +1

      I just wish I could also get the occasional solo invasion and not always 3v1

  • @thunderaxe
    @thunderaxe Před 2 lety +1

    more parries than Daigo vs Justin