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Hi big man
Sit on my face daddy!
Worth the wait!
hi
weird. they toned down the violence, but cracked up the incest.
@damian martinez I heard a positive review compare Dae-Su to a feral cat and Brolin to a raging Bull. They liked that aspect of it and respected the reinterpretation presenting him as pretty different than what came before.
Not saying its right or wrong, but I think that kind of change could have made for a different fight dynamic. Less martial arts and more brute force (but the movie's not too good so I guess we're not getting that haha).
@damian martinez Exactly. That's part of problem with the remake haha.
"The whole movie is made from an American point of view."
Really makes me think
FATHER!
Reinterpretation?
More like misinterpretation.
Got 'em.
@@Cynicayke HAH
FATHA!
@Maggie Watson , how it is appropriation? Just because it's a movie from another country? (With MODERN, global elements.)
Troin Shotgun blast!
I love how you can tell Elizabeth Olsen fucking hates the movie, and then there's literally a clip where she's like "Go watch foreign movies. Not enough people see 'em!"
I feel so fucking bad for her, imagine having your name attached to this, imagine having to act it out
Oh god for real! Both her and Josh look embarrassed to be here
But are those foreign movies set in 2013, though?
I wonder how they react to meeting again for Infinity War?
@@InvaderGIR98well look it says a lot of good things about her that she hates this movie but lets not go so far as to feel bad for her for getting paid probably quite a lot of money to act in a shitty movie.
The amount of ego it takes to not want your films to be reinterpreted while at the same time reinterpreting other people's films is insane.
A narcissistic director? No way!
To me it seemed like he himself wasn't on board with his remake of oldboy, but did it because it was the right business move at that point maybe. probably a dumb studio exec made him do it we don't know the full story
@@knurdyob I don't think making a dogshit film is ever in a director's best interest.
@@knurdyob Also, Spike Lee owns his own production company, and has for many years. So nobody *forced* him into it, except maybe his own sense of greed and entitlement.
@@snarkasticdouche3863but why was he so dull and weak willed about it? Perhaps he liked the idea at first but realized he messed up.
Oldboy 2003 - my sister and i loved eachother, despite everything.
Can you two do the same?
Oldboy 2013 - FAARTHAAR
*B A N G*
oi gee boi i fooked my sister
oh wow as if that's not like 90% of usa do that every day and that's legal in most of the world and also no one fucking cares who you fuck it's not 1700s
@@tsartomato You're insane
@@tsartomato what the actual fuck is wrong with you
Did you miss the part where the sister-fucker was the villain or something?
A Canadian's review of an American remake of a South Korean adaptation of a Japanese manga.
Of a greek folklore called oedipus.
don't remeber if its greek
Anonym Cat Oedipus is Greek yes.
Fact of the day: Oedipus literally translates to swollen foot…
@@AcidOverseer Oedipus doesn't apply because the original manga that all this is based on doesn't have the incest element - it's a fairly basic revenge story. The SK adaptation basically added that twist to make the film its own thing. And besides, it's not like every story that has surprise incest in it is based off of Oedipus.
And also part of an unconnected trilogy
You know something really important about Oldboy? Oh Dae-su is just some fuckin guy. He's complicated, he's a drunk, he neglects his family...he's just another dude in the world. And when he seeks his revenge, he's never cool and stoic. He's always just some guy, plus 1 fresh crazy pill. You never ever ever see what he's doing as cool or inspirational. He's not a morally ambiguous Hollywood action hero, with a deep gravely voice. He's just a person. And that's why he's so potent.
I don’t Know that hallway scene was pretty cool . But he is wounded pretty bad in that which does define another action hero trope
@@Galvatronover
Brother, struggling for something isn’t a trope, it’s the human condition. If the story is good, the hero will be injured in some way
Did you watch the film? The hallway scene as well as his extreme tactics like torture are meant to excite as well as disturb. Oh Dae su was a normal guy who became a psycho because of the imprisonment which is what the antagonist wanted. I do agree with your point the remake wants us to like joe despite him being significantly worse before imprisonment
@@haroldasusus4684 Don't think I ever implied that didn't happen?
Also read the original manga, it's obviously way closer to the first movie adaptation but it has its differences.
I love how Oh Desu's reaction to the villain at the end mirrors how he acted in the first captivity scene when the guard brought him food. He pleads, he threatens, he gets violent, then switches back to pleading once he realises he truly has no power
Another fun fact. He begins licking the villains shoes, his source of imprisonment, like how he began licking his hand upon tasting the rain when he was almost to freedom at the start of the movie.
@@kurtcobain3346 god damn! Theres layers to this shit!
its like poetry.. it rhymes
Oldboy (2003)
Budget: $3 million
Money earned: $15 million
Oldboy (2013)
Budget: $30 million
Money earned: $4.8 million
Oof
@Botond Hetyey Me too. Fuck the good majority of those terrible pandering and patronizing US American film remakes of classic foreign films.
Oofed indeed
Justice does smile occasionally!
I didnt know that. Ha ha
Fuck u Spike lee for making this shlock film.
@@amberbaum4079 New money for old rope. I would love to see hollwood go bust because they cannot make any decent films any more
The dumpling that they use in the korea version is a type of dumpling that you often get as a side-dish when ordering delivery food. So it implies that the character is probably eating a side-dish of someone else’s main dish for fifteen years. Just an extra info dump,
So what your saying is in the remake, they should’ve given him nothing but mozzarella sticks, or onion rings, or something?
@@goORIOLES236 doesn't have to be the exact equivalent, but it would have been nice if they kept the kind of foods as effortless as the original one
Brian Tully think italian seasoned breadsticks
That added another layer of depth to it, thanks so much for sharing!
@@goORIOLES236 lol that's funny~
I'm actually in a History Of Black Film class rn and we spent a unit on Spike Lee movies. I told my prof "The one thing I will never forgive him for is Oldboy 2013." His face darkened, he sighed, and said "Ain't nobody forgiving him for that." XD
To all my Korean friends. Take all of Spike Lee's favorite movies of his and remake them. He struck first, now you must retaliate.
And then do it to Spike’s own films to really drive our message home!
Mwoohahahahahaha!
@@obiwankenobi9141 it may not be the Jedi way but it feels right
You want real revenge? Don't let the Koreans remake spike lee's movie.. have the Turkish remake them...
»They drew first blood«
@@KenMabie even better, get the Ugandan studio behind Who Killed Captain Alex working on remakes of Spike Lee's films
Spike Lee: “How dare Tarantino make Django Unchained, a black film, as a white man.”
Also Spike Lee: “I’m going to remake a Korean movie with predominantly white actors.”
Spike Lee has always been a race-baiting fraud.
Well Django is about slavery so.
@@KaylaMarie_ Do you want a cookie for saying that?
how are these comparable in any way? lmao
@@lololFilip You're right. Tarantino actually made an original movie that's good while Spike couldn't perform a step-by-step remake of an amazing film. It's not close to being comparable.
I got invested in his analysis of the Korean version and felt disappointed every time he had to go to the American one :(
same!! it really goes to show how bad the american version is
SAME, every time he moved on to the American remake, i was like "oh yeah... this exists"
I kept wanting to fast forward through the analysis of the american one
Have you watched the original?? It is a fantastic movie. If you haven’t, you absolutely have to experience it.
Same
I love that his description of his own movie is basically
“Of all the movies I have made, this sure is one of them”
One of the movies of all time
That "Fathar!" scene MUST have been intentional. I refuse to believe it was intended as shocking and serious. I laughed for a good 5 minutes.
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
Honestly Im grateful he didnt said "daddi" or something cringe before having sex
Worst remake of all time
I'm going to get a degree in film school and make a shit remake of "Do the Right Thing" just so Spike Lee knows how it feels. Vengeance is a part of me now.
@Geralt of Trivia Yes but after my shitty remake I will purposely make award winning films afterward. So when I become famous, people will ask me "hey what was up with your one shitty Spike Lee movie reboot" and I'll say " Spike Lee had it coming". My entire career will be for this purpose, so after that I will retire and watch the sun set upon a grateful universe.
It's a solid plan except I think it would probably be wise to do the award winning stuff first, so that the remake doesn't kill your career.
@@myworldinvideos It appears you have created a 15+ year prison for all of us. Do us proud.
@@heyyitsultima it will be just like that movie Old Boy
The one by that Spike Lee guy?
I guess you could say the remake lacks seoul.
Nice one
That was an awesome GROANER!!!
@@chazzcharles1327 FARRTHAR
Dad is that you?
oh sh-
The only thing 2013 Oldboy was missing was Josh Brolin in captivity yelling "Get me out! Get me out of here! Help me! I didn't do anything!"
Ah *FUCK*!
@@Full_Throttle_Axolotllemme ou-GE-GEMEOUTAHIR!!
I can't believe they decided to present the villain as a freaking caricature. He looks and sounds absolutely rediculous. How are we supposed to take his tragedy seriously?
The saddest part is that Sharlto Copley is a genuinely good actor, he was amazing in District 9
Father!
@@bananatiergod He was good in district 9. Shit in everything else
@@mitijr2031 He was excellent in Hardcore Henry.
@@bananatiergod Yeah so true, he is a great (and underrated)actor, but this movie is so bad that even his performance sucks.
i can handle the bad writing, awful plot loss and everything else, but the way the artist was treated for making the posters... sick
I had already despised his movies but after seeing that part now I dislike him as a person
Completely agree, I feel so bad for that artist.
Not to mention that all of his movies are tainted by his racial politics
Spike Lee is a disgustingly entitled hack.
TactaGhoul No they aren't. you just clearly can't be confronted with racism
I love how in the American version, he only decides he loves his daughter when he sees her on TV. That's accurately American.
*after she achieves something in life
Hahaha
Zerro Nyx Wrong stereotype.
Tuxedobird
Actually no .
Tuxedobird
Yeah sounds more like the Asian stereotype
I also really like that in the original Oldboy the guy taking revenge makes sure to keep Oh Dae-su alive, keep him healthy, keep him satisfied while on his quest for revenge(Paying the guy off to not attack Oh Dae-su, severing and giving him the hand of the guy he wanted to take to give him what he wants, etc). He's playing by the rules he set, he's being fair. Sure he was a horrible despicable person for doing that to someone in the first place and ruining a guy's life, but at the very least he has a set of principles he follows and sticks to, and is a respectable villain. That's compelling, that's a damn good villain.
That is part of why I consider him one of the greatest villians of cinema. Just imagine how much of a mindfuck it would be to have someone both trying to destroy your life and also giving you money and the things you want..?
I Saw the Devil is sort of similar, just with the roles of "hero" and "villain" reversed. Also a great movie with Choi Min-sik
Can we talk about the graphic designer who got screwed over and not paid and then they told him "it's good because you'll still get exposure"... Like, will this ever stop happening to artists?
That’s so depressing, because his posters are so good u can tell he put so much effort into making these posters look awesome for the film and what he gets, being treated horribly
and the monkey's paw has curled...
Maybe this is the comment that started the strike
Luckily he won out in the end.
Father! Is that a shotgun in your arms or are you just happy to see me?
I think we've found the new "THERE HE IS".
Wood or steel
Can't wait for Parasite: a Spike Lee joint
With Mexicans
...fathah?
More like Corona the American version
Don’t you dare jinx us.
This one was called a Spike Lee film, not joint. That should have been the dead giveaway for everyone
in every interview spike lee did for this movie he literally looks like he's about to fall asleep lmao
he looks ashamed...as he should be.
That's how I felt watching that god-awful movie.
A quick side note:
In the original manga, the protagonist goes captive for ten years. Park added five for a reason. The limitation period on first degree murder was 15 years in Korea back then. Oh was framed for killing his wife, and there is a scene Lee sending Oh a chat message stating his false charge has been lifted (56:34). This period had been extended to 25 years in 2007, and finally gone limitless in 2015.
A simple question:
Why the hell did Spike Lee extend another five?
Twenty years? More like hefty tears!
*Slaps knee, slaps thigh, slaps foot, jumps whilst punching the air, moans in ecstasy*
@@etrs lool
We need to keep adapting Oldboy with another 5 years added until the protagonist dies of old age in the apartment.
@@lonewalkerproductions It's not that funny
@@clashmanthethird heck yeah, and for every adaption they should also make the captivity scene 10 minutes longer, to really emphasize the time to the viewer
Man, the poster story is depressing
It’s better than the movie
I fucking hate people who use "but the exposure" as a way to not pay artists. It's sick.
@@astrowolvez r/ choosingbeggars
Exposure is filling, nutritious and also doubles as a good way to shelter you from the elements!
@@cortex8239 reddit and facebook is both for losers of the opposite political spectrum
The whole point of Dae-su cutting his tongue out at the end was to show that he was apologizing for "talking too much." The form of self-sacrifice he chose was actually relevant to the crime that he was being accused of, and that's why Joo-win was moved to spare Mido. Joe just imprisoning himself for no reason cause he feels bad is so dumb.
Also he said he would be Joo-win's dog to save her, so it could be connected to that as well.
Anyways I never thought of that connection! Thank you for enlightening me
Also mirroring Oedipus doing the same to his eyes after realizing his incestuous ways.
Totally agree! But just a nitpick not intending of being a dick, but he's Woo-jin, his name is Lee Woo-jin..
@@nico.f. The director said that Oh Dae-su is actually a play with the name Oedipus, so you're pretty right.
Woaah
I appreciate the Korean reacting that the American version should have guns.
On the "rubber ducky" subject, the original Oldboy had the scene where she discovers the angel wings he had gotten her so long ago. They don't mean anything to her, she puts them on and you see it doesn't really hold any value to her (can't remember her name ATM). However, the magnitude that the shot has on the viewer, to see her with those wings on as she sits on the bed at the "prison", is absolutely tremendous. Thank you so much for this incredible review.
She also does the same movements in thr wings as Dae-su
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
Surprised Adum didn't mention that Oh Desu oversharing in the opening sequence also conveys the characteristic that motivated the antagonist.
Good observation. It goes to show the depth of writing in the original
Also love the parallelism of Oh Dae-Su holding that stranger from falling off the building and Woo Jin holding his sister from falling off the bridge, both of whom die while Oh Dae-Su could have potentially prevented it.
Oh Desu
Fucking brilliant
Varun and TheMightyHaegr
You two have a very keen eye
I didn’t notice these until you both mentioned them. Just further proof of this movie’s competence in comparison to Spike’s “interpretation”. You could probably go back and find nothing that really makes you analyze the film like the original. That whole scene in the remake where his daughter gets the stupid Buddha is the writers and Spike desperately trying to capture that sort of feeling but it instead falls flat on it’s face for having almost no relevancy to the plot since she had never seen it in the first place.
Oldboy (2003) > Oldboy (2013)
that's such a good point! we're given so much information in that first introduction, but what's key to the plot is the simple fact that "oh talks too much".
The sad part about the hammer fight in the remake is that it’s completely divorced of context. In the original the reason it’s a total melee is because guns are very scarce in South Korea so thugs would just have whatever they can find. In America those thugs would absolutely have guns but it’s Oldboy so gotta have a hammer fight I guess. Same with the dumplings. Not only does this movie not give a shit but it’s actively not trying to localize and innovate on the original.
Also part of it is, I assume, due to the tight quarters. Oldboy 2013 was not only in America but not cramped enough to warrant too much fear of shooting off firearms
The director should of had the main character use a gun an kill a bunch of them John wick style.
@@lethalcontact365 that would be cool but wouldn't really make sense for the character. I just wish they had been more innovative and tried to make it feel more American, not just look it.
@@TheHutcharmy they should of had it as the main character being a marine that is a alcohol and a bum an for the the American version of a hall way fight they would of had him shooting at gangster with a shotgun after being ambushed by them after the torture season.
@@hydras5947 then the solution is to have fewer, more spread out thugs armed with guns.
My favorite part is when the lead actor said he just put some garbage out there and hoped the editors would take care of it.
Speaking of foreshadowing, I love that Spike Lee is so self aware that before release he offers the disclaimer "have an open mind", because he KNOWS his interpretation of this film sucks and will not be well received.
He’s just self aware enough to know his film will be hated but not self aware enough to actually make the film in a way where it’ll actually be good.
You’d think he would have just not made such a shit film then…
South Korea actually requires all adult citizens to serve a compulsory period in their military so it’s very likely he has had martial arts training as a young man. Definitely a jumping off point for him to train himself well over 15 years.
Underrated comment. It actually sheds some light on what a lot of people who aren't familiar with the original culture would consider a plothole.
All adult MALE citizens. Doesn't change your point but worth the distinction
I don't even think this even needs to be said since the way he trained was just basic punches and dodges with a lot of pain tolerance. The guy was also fighting goons who weren't exactly the best and while it was choreographed, it wasn't over the top. He even got his ass kicked by a real expert at the end. That version could make sense even in a US release but they had to make him John Wick for some nonsense.
@@cityabsurdia6680 All healthy adult male citizens
"It's not a remake....more of an reinterpretation".
More like an abomination.
Damnation
I feel like spike was held at gun point when told to make this film lmao 😂
Star Surfer more like an assassination
more like an abortion
It's more of a misinterpretation.
As someone who just saw the original, it’s so funny seeing how little style there is in literally every aspect of the remake. From the direction, the color choices, the sets, the costumes, the camera work, the music, literally every aspect of the original films style was striped away. It genuinely feels like Spike Lee was forced to make this movie, so he just phoned everything in.
It's crazy right!? The lack of artistic vision in a literal sense is kinda nuts. Just the opening itself is like... what?? He's not captive at the police station, he's not talking to the camera, he doesn't seem to love his daughter at all. He's like... just an asshole. There's so little symbolism in the visuals except the most childish and obvious like the umbrella. And even that could have been really cool if they actually made the effort to make a custom umbrella prop that hides the hash marks until you look more closely but NOPE. Looks like they whipped it up on set that very day.
The woman in the interview who says “Crazy, but a better person!” has always been the funniest part of this review for me. It’s such a braindead take on the plot of the movie, and her delivery is just pure gold lmao.
*The only thing the remake got right from the original is the hammer. 3/10*
-an actual South Korean Critic's review of Oldboy(2013). Can't be more accurate
Sauce? I wanna read it.
@@KillThad it's from a south korean website, so even if I give you the link, I'm not sure if you can read it but here it goes. It's the review at the bottom.
movie.naver.com/movie/bi/mi/point.nhn?code=87556
@@sori_osori_ Thanks, man. I can't read a lick of it, but I'm sure I can get the idea thru Google Translate.
Suddenly I love South Korea
큐베다이스키 excuse me, both remakes have creatures that breathe oxygen and are bipedal
First thought: "Oldboy was awesome and critically acclaimed! What's wrong with you?"
Second thought: "Wait, there's a remake???"
Echo Plots Third thought: Father! *bang*
Yes, there is a remake and it's hilarious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinda_(film)
Happy man, at least you did not watch this peace of shit.
@@CAPTAIN_D-MAN There is an obscure manga, then a film masterpiece, then a "re-interpretation," and then a bootleg
Sameeee
Spike Lee: names his company “40 Acres and a Mule” to evoke the mistreatment of former slaves in America and how they were tricked into fighting in the army with promises of rewards, but were given basically nothing in the end and had their humanity denied.
Also Spike Lee: Tricks someone into doing tons of work for him with promises of reward, but gives him basically nothing in the end and then denies his existence.
*Palpatine quote*
It's always those that preach the loudest.
AND HE PUTS THE 40 ACRES AND A MULE BIT ON THE POSTER WHILE DOING THAT SHIT OHMYGOD
Yeah, not a huge fan spike lee films Ngl I thought Malcom X was pretty good though.
It's ok, he did it to a white guy so it's not evil
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 ah yes, Jaun Luis Garcia, the white man
Choi Min-Sik has got to be one of the GREATEST actors of our generation.
That's an understatement.
As a Korean, Choi Min Sick was greatest in the Tiger (2015) along w/Kim, Yoon-Seok in The Chaser (2008).
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse I really wish I had been turned onto Korean TV/film sooner. I got started with Beyond Evil starring Shin Ha-kyun and Yeo Jin-gu earlier this year, it was incredible! I've been on a roll ever since.
@@lizc6393 - lol, I say the same about English literature. Check out, The Chaser (2008) n Burning (2018). Also, I highly recommend Hong Kong Director, Wong Kar Wai's Chunking Express n In the Mood for Love. He's my favorite despite he's not Korean lol.
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse I'm a huge movie buff,and have seen hundreds of asian movies.
Korean-i think at least 60. He is one amazing actor,that's for sure. Better than all the rest,head and shoulders.
But i would recommend also Failan,and Painted Fire(about your korean national painter)-solid roles.
I loved his role in oldboy so much,that i saw almost all the movies with him...
Another second actor that i liked was his co-star in New World,the boisterous gangster-Hwan jung Ming. He really shines in that movie.
P.s: Wong kar wai is a legend,but i would.recommend also Johnnie To. Extremely underrated,the second best after Wong Kar Wai. And much more prolific.
Take care-you have a nice country,i have been there twice!
The idea of doing a long form review in which you pitch two movies against each other and illustrate why one succeeds and the other fails is fascinating and I hope you explore it more in the future.
I hope he does it with the two versions of Martyrs
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF MARTYRS??
@@lukess.s Unfortunately, yes
@@lukess.s It's originally a french movie, I believe
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Holy ... I didn't know there were 2
I actually thought him cutting out his tongue was him apologizing or making amends for "talking too much"
It was: Lee Woo-jin said "Your tongue got her pregnant" just in a few scenes before, and Oh Dae-su cutting his tongue was a way to show him he was never going to do something like that again.
it was also a call back for "you touch her tits i will cut your arm".... "what would you do with my tongue then"
I really like your profile picture.
S k e l e t o r
Liam Moffet I thought it was established he was bugged at that point, considering he knew about the threat to cut off the dude’s hand.
Lee Woo-Jin: _"Remember this: "Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as one and the same."_
Adrian: *"FATHER!"* 💥
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
*shotgun blast*
The editing to put "Fah-thuh!" immediately followed by the shotgun blast will never stop being funny. I think Spike Lee just wanted to assert that upper class white people are all incestuous.
Wait, is that something he actually believes? 🤣
If this movie was just one long covert troll I can almost respect that lol
@@calumhouston3308tf no u bugging
@@calumhouston3308 Probably not but he is pretty clearly a racist/black supremacist himself.
You know if the villains are WASPs that would make a lot more sense now that I'm thinking about it
"First he shows up and cancels Mr. Robot."
ADAM.
Oh my God! He killed Kenny!
rip Freddy Mercury
MR ROBOT had an infinity stone in his head.
@@dooooooook3610 Another one bites the dust.
One thing that one reviewer pointed out was that the hammer fight makes much more sense in the original because Korea has very strict gun laws. The remake takes place in Louisiana. It makes next to no sense that he or the thugs would not have a firearm.
Didn't know that, makes sense. Very interesting bit of information regarding the film, thank you! The original movie is such a masterpiece.
Right? It would make great sense that the guards are fighting with a bunch of melee weapons in the original. But in the American version, they really expect us to believe that not one guard in a secret mercenary prison would have a gun on them??
Exactly! Hence why I feel like, if he wanted to do this movie SO bad...why not do it in a country with a stricter laws? It would've made a lot more sense if it took place in England or something. Either way, the remake sucked and did horribly on the Box Office, and I'm glad.
@@evandavis7 The remake even opens with a sign that says “Guns don’t kill, people do”. In a way it’s bizarre.
Korea is a country with strict gun laws. Korean police don't try to force the gangs down, they try to manage them (because even if they do, another organization will be formed). However, if a gangster uses a gun, the military, not the police, will be dispatched to clear it up, so Korean gangsters cannot use a gun even if they have it.
Does anyone else HATE the fact that the crate _Joe_ comes out of is a fuckin' Louis Vuitton chest? Like wow, product placement much? 🤦🏼♀️
hes bougie!
“angry, rage, sad, lonely, alone”
yes, that massive range of -checks notes- three emotions
The original is like a woman's touch after 15 years of isolation.
The remake is like having 15 teeth pulled.
TRUE XD
Best description!
Thanks man for reminding me of one of the craziest scenes from the original. When Dae-su is in the elevator with the women and is just uncontrollably jizzing his pants.
The family shooting scene looks like taken out of bye bye man
Dont say it, dont think it father!
WedelMaster holy shit I knew it made me think of something!!
Exactly what I thought, just couldn't remember the name, thx
Bye bye FATHER
To this day, I feel this is my favourite YMS video since it breaks down what doesn’t work about the Oldboy remake so well while still feeling like a video that expresses the creators feelings for both movies in such a great way with acknowledging both the good and the bad
The Lion King 2019 video is also a favourite of mine but I’m still waiting for the next part
I agree, IMO this is Adam's best video.
Still waiting here...
I watch this a couple times a year
Another detail I loved during the original’s ending was how Dae-su seemed to be genuinely smiling at first, but after a while his smile starts to become forced, just like we had seen him smile before. It’s a nice character expression that adds to the ambiguity, and maybe I am looking too much into it but I am sure that was the intended meaning.
yeah it was definitely intended to be ambiguous. nothing that happens in the movie after woo-jin's suicide is certain as oh dae-su willingly hypnotizes himself to forget the whole ordeal with mi-do
Adam "Now let's get back to the remake."
Oh, but do we HAVE to?
Lancing Knight Yeah, after a while it started to really hurt.
In the Korean version, there was also the massive implication of how strong Lee Woo-Jin’s drive was. You see him and Oh Dae-Su grew up in an impoverished town. Knowing that Woo-Jin was able to work his way up into the riches using his own revenge as motivation is so much more palpable and lends greatly to his character without having to explicitly say anything.
In the American version, the villain already comes from a rich family and his stupid ploy for revenge just seems even more petty.
D3VYN131
Oh. My bad. Thanks for clearing it up.
Father
@@ujjwalmishra8962 **BANG**
@@user-td3tp9em9t i bet that boy had a new position he wanted to try out thats why he immediately removed his shirt
Kinda funny listening to this after the success of squid game and parasite proved that the studios were wrong and American audiences are willing to watch foreign films without needing to be introduced to them via poorly done remakes
It is nice to see more appreciation for foreign films unfortunately doesn't stop Hollywood, they're remaking train to Busan and making a live action for a beautifully animated movie called Your Name
Yea but it has its downsides, I couldn’t get through watching that show with my parents, they had to watch the fkn dubbed version.
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@@kush6846dubs aren’t always bad if you give them a chance, sometimes they give work to truly excellent American professional voice actors (who we all know often get screwed over in favor of “celebrity” casting in American made animated films)
@@maddieb.4282 you obviously have never seen dubbed version of Squid Game. I’m not discrediting dubbing as a whole, just complaining as to how shit the dub version of that show is.
One thing you didn’t mention is how unbelievable it is that Joe knew how to use an iPhone right away. This is a guy whose last interaction with society was in the early 90s. Sure there were cellphones back then, but no one could imagine something like the iPhone. I have a hard time believing this guy just understood how to use the touchscreen and open up his phone
Yeah, like my mom has always has flip phones and got a smart phone only because of a deal, she still needs me to help send an image & make new contacts, she doesn't even know how to get into her settings or download apps or how to stop zooming in and out, it's been 3 years
Good point!
The poster of the "re-interpretation" is hilarious! I mean, the guy just seems like he is a child in a cardboard box and saying "I am in the best car of the world, I am speed"
It's like he's thinking "where the hell did my dude bros ditch me his time?"
It looks like someone popped open a box of air-dropped agent 41 's
The guy looks like he was transported through magical means inside this box into some different world or something.
Like Alice in the Wonderland but the protagonist is older angry guy who is going to kick some ass.
KACHOOW
Looks like he's saying "aight imma head out"
*Villain:* "Yeah, my dad shot me in the chest with a shotgun in my twenties - but I'm fine now."
Albeit_Jordan there’s a clip in the movie where he takes off his shirt and there’s a big scar on his shoulder. I initially thought he got shot with birdshot, which isn’t as fatal as buckshot, but it ALREADY KILLED HIS MOM AND SISTER SO IT’S DEF A FATAL CALIBER god this movie’s stupid
*unzips pants*
Father!
At least he has a new hole to help with his “wincest”
"Fhartherr" *reveals penis*
I love the 4KidZ style renaming of the characters. His name's Oh? Okay Joe. Mido? Uhh, Mia yeah that's good. Woo-jin.... hmmmm Adrian yeah that kinda sounds like it
I loved the scene where Joe eats a live jelly filled doughnut!
should've called him liam woodman
its very death note 2017
Also kicking ass because of need for revenge is WAY cooler than it being fuelled by “family”
Most people have felt vengeance, not everyone has a violin playing beautiful fully grown female daughter
But family
"Really, it's about family."
'female daughter' ah yes, wet water
@@goingunder2548 that rhymes, lol
It‘s a cello
My sister actually watched the Spike Lee remake without ever watching or knowing anything about the original. And she's not really interested in watching the original now. I find that really depressing.
You should probably not insist her to watch it.
She will find the original sooner or later, don't worry 😉
That's the biggest crime of this remake. Turning people off of one of the greatest films of all time.
Im not saying to force her to watch the og. Im not.
UNLESS.
Unless she thinks the Spike Lee one is good.
I think its important to educate people on the quality of works not from the americas, especially if theyve been bastardised into english, but not by force.
@@yourmomsjorts oh no, she hated it lol
tfw you think you've made a movie review but you've actually made a movie
The original Oldboy manages to make me feel sympathy for the Daesu's tormentor with the final revelation. The 2013 Oldboy manages to be hilarious with the family incest revelation.
FAATHAAAA
@@man4437**gets blown into millions of little pieces**
Lee really kept the antagonist family a true british monarch
The thing about Woo Jin is that, as Adam points out, if you forget about the fact that the girl was his sister, you can kinda almost sympathize with him. I mean, yes, that's obviously a pretty big fucking thing to overlook, but the point is that if you took the incest out of the equation you can kinda understand his point of view. Whereas in the American version, you literally can't take the incest out of the equation because it's no longer a story of two people the same age who love each other, it's a story of a grown man fucking his underage children and eventually trying to murder them. The idea that you could ever remotely empathize with this villain, even on a "he's still a psycho but I kinda get why he's upset" level, is just ludicrous.
I thought the villain was the dads kid though. Am I just stupid?
Woo-jin was a compelling villain because he is basically the protagonist of his own revenge story, from his persepctive Dae-su seems like the one who caused his sister's death and ruined Woo-jin's life, we the audience only think differently because the story is told from the persepctive of Dae-su. Really Woo-jin did nothing to deserve what happened, yea he slept with his sister but it was a mutually consensual relationship where they both loved each other, it's not even comparable to Spike Lee's version.
every range of emotion: angry, rage, sad, lonely, alone. lmao
Every range of sauce: Ketchup, tomato sauce, mustard, bbq, barbecue sauce
You forgot stabby. Stabby is a feeling
The full gammut of human experience, angry and sad.
@Ren Helene I don't think he's good, he just gets good direction. Or bad, in this case.
yes, all both of them. he's a shapeshifter, really.
“fAWTHAR-“
**shotgun blast**
You had me in tears
As an English person, I can confirm none of us actually speak like the villain in the film.
But I'm kinda glad he does talk like that. FaRtHa!
🤣😂 yeah me too !
FAWTHARRRR
The Otter Lord ßßdd-
"alright, now let's get back to the remake and see how..."
Goddammit, I was just getting back into my wonderful memories of this amazing film. Every time Adum veered the focus back on UwoBoy 2013, I start getting a bad feeling in my stomach.
"he feels every range of emotion, anger, rage"
Lonely, alone
The 2003 'big reveal' scene is honestly jaw dropping
im not sure who's crazier, the director for writing such script or the actor for acting it out so genuinely.
I watched that movie on Vudu the second I saw the YMS notification, and that bit made me feel physically ill... but in an awestruck way. It’s the perfect revenge movie that portrays the consequences of being consumed by vengeance
@@neal2399 i actually skipped a couple of seconds lol it felt so real what with his emotions and all
The Japanese mangaka for writing the original story in the first place.
gantzisballs the twist actually isn't in the manga I think? I can't remember but I'm pretty sure the original has a more bittersweet ending
Which actor? They both blew that shit right out the water. I perfectly well believe both of those characters and they're fantastic.
I got upset whenever Adam went back to Spike Lee's film.
"No, let's stayyy! I like it here...!"
i felt the exact same way. it was super refreshing to see him analyse and praise such a fantastic film and then he'd be like "now lets go and talk about this piece of shit and how it completely butchered the original" and i'd be like... can't we just pretend it never existed???
24:10
there was actually a communication of passage of time here - in the beginning Joe missed his daughter's 3 year birthday, and the news reporter says "The victim was a mother of a 3 year old girl", so because the daughter's age hasn't gone anywhere, we're forced to conclude that at the time of Joe hallucinating the creepy man, he's been captured for less than a year.
Just realised that Lee Woo Jin said;
What happens after you've had revenge? I bet that hidden pain probably emerges again.
And that's exactly what happened as he killed himself on the way down from his penthouse
Damn. Another small direction decision that emphasizes the brilliance of the film.
what an accidental self-own.
And let's not forget the irony in him handing out the remote control, which isn't working and he kills himself. He doesn't even give Oh Dae-su his revenge. What a bitter ending.
Yep even after his revenge he flashed back to his sister dying realizing that now the last person that caused her death had to be punished, so he killed himself.
Honestly, Park Chan-wook's Vengeance trilogy consists of some of the most anti-revenge films out there. He treats the subject matter in a serious and nuanced way instead of romanticising it. His approach is incredibly mature.
I cringed at every scene of the remake. God it hurt so much, I couldn't imagine sitting through the whole thing. I think I'd rather be locked in a room eating nothing but dumplings for 15 years.
Corpse Kun haha I see what ya did there
Mmmm dumplings.
You cringed at every scene, really? Don’t be so overdramatic it’s not the worst movie ever made
why not 20 years?
Im. Glad. You're. Here. (Extends hand and stares)
Every time I watch this video, the part where Sam Jackson just repeats everything on the phone drives me bonkers.
2024 UPDATE: HE’S REMAKING HIGH & LOW JESUS CHRIST SOMEBODY STOP HIM
I love how the 2013 version expects us to care for Joe Doucett despite him murdering those football players.
In the original, Oh Dae-su was defending himself from street thugs beating him over a cigarette. While we never see the final outcome it's likely he just knocked them out with a few minor injuries.
In the remake, the football players thought Joe was a random creeper about to assault this defenseless woman. Granted, punching Joe is not a smart way to start things off, but Joe could've just ran away or knocked them out in *non-leathal* ways, but nope, he straight up breaks their fucking necks in front of their girlfriends. And oh right, he has *WITNESSES* now! Why didn't those girls call the police on him after he murdered their boyfriends!?! Could they not get a good description of him in *BROAD DAYLIGHT!*
Oh Dae-Su was socially inept,
Joe is a *SOCIOPATH!!!*
Not to mention that Oh Dae-su doesn't kill anyone in the movie: he beats people up and tortures them too, but he's never shown killing anyone, probably the guy he found in the prison (the one sitting there before Mr Park's office), was knocked out as well. It truly shows that, even if his main focus is revenge, he's still a normal person deep down, and would not take it out on those who didn't have a direct role in his imprisonement.
Joe just goes around and murders people!
@@myrtaleellery I think there's a few parts where you could argue that Oh Dae-su killed someone like when he first arrives at the penthouse with the broken toothbrush, but yeah the point still stands. Oh Dae-su is a normal but broken man driven by vengeance, Joe is your standard Hollywood big buff action hero manly man. He barely reacts to getting beat with sticks in the hallway fight in the remake because we can't show that our hero isn't unstoppable
they deserved it for simping
Original Oldboy torture scene: *appropriate torture sounds *
Samuel L Jackson: No! No! No! No! Please! Please do not torture me because torture is painful and pain hurts and I don’t want to hurt because pain is hurtful! I like being comfortable and pain is uncomfortable and it hurts too and I don’t want to hurt! No! No! No!
My thoughts exactly! God, I think I was in more pain watching that samuel L Jackson scene, and making more appropriate pain noises, than SLJ was. Its just an embarrassment.
I'm laughing my ass off at this comment holy shit thank you 😂
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"oh god! i need to curse! i must say vulgar words because that is what i, famous hollywood actor samuel leroy jackson am known for!"
You forgot to call him a "meatbag", Mr. HK-47!
The guy who made Oldboy admitted to a live audience during an interview that he didn’t see the remake...of his own movie... that’s a new level of bad right there
I know this is a 2 year old video, but I absolutely must thank you for shedding light on the magnificence and superiority of Korean cinema.
I believe he also cut his tongue to show how sorry he was that his tongue caused Woo-Jin's sister's death since he clearly states that Dae-su's tongue is what got his sister pregnant.
The fact that it also prevents him from telling the truth to Mido only came to me after the film had ended.
Brilliant scene !
arenkai I didn’t even think of THAT! I thought it was in reference to when he first threatens to cut off the guy’s hand for touching Mido, the guy says “what about my tongue?” Before walking away, implying that he... well... you know... I took it as he was cutting off his own tongue as punishment for... well... you know...................
arenkai It’s a phenomenal film that’s deserving of classic status and several oscars.
Ya know, if you're like me, and you root more for Oh Dei Su on repeat viewings than Woo-Jin...there's ONE little detail that makes up for all the crap the villain inflicted on the hero: when he hears someone from his sisters year in school, a classmate of hers, one she didn't even KNOW, call her a SLUT...that look on his face tells me Od Dei Su got the better of him; because no matter what. no matter how much Woo-Jin attempts to destroy this mans life...his sister will ALWAYS, to her generation of kids, in that school, be known as the school-house WHORE. 😂 I kind of hate Woo-Jinn really...i think he's a smug oily little baby. but i guess that's what makes the film great: Oh De Su starts things as a "villain" and because of Woo-Jin's plot against him, he actually becomes a better man; in the process the sweet and confused child who only made the mistake of falling in love with his sister then becomes an even greater monster than Oh De Su ever was.
It is also a reference to the myth of Oedipus, in which Oedipus stabs his own eyes out after finding out that he murdered his father and killed his mothrr.
Just as Oedipus cannot bear to see a world where fate has made him a kinslayer and his children the victims of incest, Daesu does not think he can continue to speak when he could potentially tell Mi-do the truth.
I thought it was because for the part where he licks his boot, how pleb from me
"First he shows up and cancels Mr. Robot..."
Had a chuckle.
AXU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII OH !!!!!!!!!!
@@Jonboi-jh3xc 100 percent certain Elliot from Mr Robot makes the same exact noise at some point
Major_Clusterf**k A couple times, actually. It's a lot more harrowing than this current example.
kinda late to comment on this one but when watching the original the penny started to drop right when woo jin said the real question was "why did he let me go after 15 years". it all came together in my head. the theme of incest in the antagonist's motive. the fact mi do was younger, and not only did he recognize her from tv, she recognized him. how dae su had a baby daughter old enough to talk on the phone, she had to be at least 3. 15 years was just enough for his daughter to be of legal age.
woo jin really said "incest is fine with me, but i draw the line at pedophilia"
It’s also because the statute of limitations in Korea at the time is 15 years
Finally watched OG Oldboy in theaters today thanks to this video.
I was so enthralled by your in-depth analysis of the original old boy, that I would honestly forget you were comparing it to the remake. So anytime you transitioned to Spike Lee's version I would instantly grow disappointed because I just wanted to see more the original. If I have that feeling during a CZcams review I can only imagine how disappointing watching the entire remake must be.
This sums up how I felt exactly
same
For real, not only is this video a YMS Review for OldBoy (2013) is also a a great review and analysis of Oldboy (2003). I watched the original when I was 14 and stupid, and I thought it was just "alright". I never revisited the film because "I already know the twist, so what's the point?" but Adam really showed why it's a great film and it's not just because of the twist, the entire thing is a beautifully crafted and well-acted movie.
I honestly felt the same and this review really made want to watch the original version.
@ "plot-twist". Overused words weren't in need for a long time.
One detail that I really appreciated about the scene where Oh Dae-su tries to force himself through the feeding door of his prison is just how effortless the guard handles it. The way he manages to force Oh Dae-su back into his cell and then close the door/seal the latch using only his feet and without saying a word conveys a lot of information in a really simple an seamless way. For Oh Dae-su his world has been turned completely upside down, but for the guard this is just another day in a job he's seemingly done hundreds if not thousands of times before Oh Dae-su even arrived. It's the first hint we get that these are not amateurs and that while Oh Dae-su is the main focus, he likely isn't the only prisoner, which also teases the fact that his jailers might not be the ones with a vendetta, but rather some sort of weird and twisted business.
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Just realized
Joe Duset sounds pretty similar Oh-Dae-Su
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason for the name choice
I'm sure it was. Unnecessarily so. His name is Shinichi Gotou in the manga. Park Chan Wook didn't try to recreate the name in korean, but Spike Lee tried to do so with the remake. He wanted the movie to look and sound the same, but not feel the same or be of the same quality
Just a really shitty anglicisation.
That Will Smith joke just hit a bit harder.
Ah! Hahaha!
You could say it *slaps*
So did Will 😅
That joke slaps
Woo-Jin's flashback calls back to Dae-Su's beginning on the rooftop. They each hold onto someone who is trying to kill themself and also bare a resemblance to them (the man on the roof is in a suit with wild hair, Woo-Jin is holding his own sister). The pure white puppy represents the unborn child of Woo-Jin, an innocent, sinless life taken absolutely needlesly. The original film is fucking genius
I’m so happy I’m not the only one who noticed this. Also, gotta love how Oh Dae-Su overshared his entire backstory without consideration for the stranger. Meanwhile, his oversharing contributed to Woo-Jin’s sister’s demise.
@@Varooooooom oh damn that's so true. that's fucking amazing
if i remember correctly, it was a pseudo pregnancy, so there was no baby involved
@@fauhwn The video points out that the film was ambiguous as to whether the pregnancy was actually a pseudo-one; It could have been an excuse by the rich guy trying to deflect blame from himself
With continuous watches... When the guy Dae-su meets for the first time jumps and offs himself... the stunt man ends up holding a white teddy bear by its hand in its stead. Nothing symbolic just a funny observation.
Oh Dae-su's hair style corresponds with his mental state, every time. Another subtle detail in a movie that is so carefully crafted. I love Park Chan-Wook.
Him and Bong Joon-ho make the best movies!
34:59 Poor actor... he is a Buddhist and they kept making him eat a new live octopus every take... and every take he would pray in thanks to the octopus for giving it's life for the film... you'd think the director would try his best to get it in one take...
yeah... that's a bit fucked up.... I mean, it's a great scene and a great piece of art... but do we really have to kill an animal for it.... or multiple ones?
@@UnicornStorm Especially considering Octopi are rather intelligent.
@@jadenkarpoff9158 that’s something that people only really started to appreciate after 2003. even then, octopi and squid are still used in seafood dishes all over the world today.
Octopus are ugly so I'm fine with that.
“On behalf of the octopus community, I thank you for thanking me before eating me alive. Most of my family was eaten by sharks, and those guys aren’t nearly as considerate. It really means the world to me, like totally makes a difference.”
53:48 i just realized how silly the guy in red is in that shot. the way hes flailing his arms is so funny lmaoo
One thing I noticed about the original is that Oh Dae-su doesn't kill anybody until he's at Woo-jin's penthouse. I think that goes to show the escalation of his desperation and fury, especially in contrast to earlier in the film when he gives Mr. Park to the goons so that he can get medical attention.
Joe puts the back end of a hammer through a man's skull like it's papier-mache at the first opportunity because edgy violence.
It's heavily implied that Dae-su kills the dude on the chair in the private prison, and the henchmen in the elevator looked pretty dead to me.
@@lukess.s Entirely possible, but not clear enough to say one way or the other - or at least that's how I see it. I do find it more purposeful for him to escalate the violence he enacts over the course of the movie.
I mean you hit someone with a claw hammer he might not get up ever again, like the remake gores it up but in the original some of those guys are dead too. Like the killing intent is there since he ate the raw octopus
@@EdanR agreed.
Before that, Joe breaks somebody's neck!
Quote from Polish reviewer:
"God forbid, don't watch the American remake first (...). Anything that can go wrong with remakes, taking someone's brilliant idea and masterpiece and making it your own, with no creativity at all and in the most disgustingly trashy way - that's the situation. I recommend checking the remake after watching the original, like because you already know this one, and you want to laugh at the other; as something like an autopsy, you want to see the corpse and discover what went wrong."
Damn 💀 a perfect analogy
I recommend not wasting your time on the remake at all.
Where do you see this review, I like to see more about this guy reviews also just well written reviews in general lol
Ej trochę beka, czy to jest komentarz o mnie :>? Pod jednym z moich ulubionych filmików-recenzjo-analiz na youtubie :D?!
Lmao perfect review. I couldn’t make it past the first 16 minutes of the remake
The rat scene in confinement could have been interesting - substituting human companisonship with a vermin he found infesting his bathroom - but it's the remake so it's shit of course.
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane had a much better making somebody eat a rat scene
fun fact: the random bar owner friend played by Christopher Moltisanti is actually comics accurate, they changed it for the better in the Korean version
The manga might be ok, but jesus does it not hold up since the korean movie came out.