Timothy Goebel (USA) - 2002 Salt Lake City, Figure Skating, Men's Free Skate
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- Salt Lake City, Utah, USA - 2002 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Men's Free Skate - Timothy Goebel of the United States placed 3rd in the Free Skate and remained in 3rd Place overall, winning the Bronze Medal. He would be the only skater to perform 3 quadruple jumps in the Free Skate, 2 Salchows and 1 toe-loop. He was not nicknamed the Quad King for nothing.
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It's funny how the men are just now starting to do 3 quads in their programs. Timmy was doing them back in 2002. He was way before his time.
I get so annoyed when I see people calling Nathan Chen the "Quad King" when Timothy Goebel held the crown here.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 You do realize kings come and go? Tim was also the Quad King of his time but he went. Nathan became the king of the new era
Tim Goeble's performance here becomes even more astounding when you realize that it would take 13 years and two more Olympics for just Javier Fernandez to attempt three quads in a LP during the 2014-15 season.
This was a PHENOMENAL skate!!!
Tim was always so AMAZING...🤩🥰😍!!!
Парня определенно недооценили !!! 2022 год.Катание безупречное !!!
Nah, under IJS he would have smoked yagudin.
Even today, 20 years later, it would have been a very strong program. But in the year 2002, it was simply fantastic performance. Three cleanest quads! Clearly deserved higher placement.
The way he checks his quad jump entries gives him so much power - opposite of pre-rotation!
I still love this performance and he is so cute and adorable, I was so in love
Schau mir das auch grad nochmal an: so ein bezaubernder, lieber Junge.❤
Wohl dem, der ihn bekommt und immer in seiner Nähe ist...
@@frauwaltraud2214 er ist seit 2017 mit Thomas Luciano verheiratet und sehr glücklich heißt es
AMAZING! The pure mastery and performance of this man. I love this.
Мне тоже. Но, он прогрывал русским. Такая печалька
He should have won the silver medal but I’m still happy he stood on the podium 🥰
I’m Russian and I’m shocked right now. I remember this Olympics I was 11 at that time. I always thought that plushchenko won his silver in a fair game. All this time I was wrong. Timothy Goebel was much better and definitely deserved at least silver. 3 quads!!! He would have fought for a medal even in 2021 with this content. My life is a lie.
Yes definitely but, this was the games that went down in history for all the cheating among specific judges 🤷🏻♀️
@@lindalou6366 yep, i cant explain to myself how they gave yagudin similar technical scores.
@@lindalou6366 la unica queja de trampa en los jueces, fue de la pareja canadiense que no acepto los resultados de quedar segunda.
Tanto lloro la patinadora y al final le dieron el oro.
En varones el oro y la plata estaba entre Yagudin y Pluschenko los patinadores mas fuertes de esa época.
Este Patinador Todd, tiene bien ganada la medalla de bronce, tuvo errores en la parte técnica de sus saltos y su interpretación no llegaba al nivel de Yagudin y Pluschenko (que tuvo también un FP complejo pero con mejor interpretación).
Отличные прыжки. Но работы корпуса нет. Как горбатый. Руки в одном положении. Вторая оценка намного ниже и заслуженно 3 место
You know, under the new scoring system, this skate might have very well gotten him the gold medal. Imagine all the points he would’ve racked up with those two perfect quads, plus one perfect quad combo. The only minor mistake was that triple axel. One wonders how the placements would’ve gone under the current system.
His second mark would still be an issue as well as flutz
It’s not fear, what? Gabel second after Plushenko? Man, I’m from Russia! Plushenko had to be third! Tim did 3 brilliant quads! And 5.6 technical, 5.4 presentation? Are you seriously guys!?
He misses 3A
The real winner of men's event Olympics 2002.
It's a shame they still had the old "6.0" marks system... Timothy was cheated out of a silver medal at these Olympics.. 3 Quads, a triple Axel combo, he couldn't have done any better. Poor guy had the most demanding jumps.. and it didn't help.. He should've had 5.8's and 5.9's for technical merit in both short and long programs. Such a corrupt judging system the ISU had for many years.
Still salty that he didn’t get silver 🥈
Doing a Spread Eagle into any jump is still quite difficult even by 2022 standards.
А потом на лёд вышел Ягудин и всех сделал!!!
Да, вы правы. Ягудин просто порвал всех. Это было выступлением века. Я пересматриваю , выступление Ягудина каждый день. И с каждым разом убеждаюсь, что он был лучшим.
@@user-dc7gj6xo4r Timothy should have won silver
The scariest thing was… he had 5 kinds of quads in practice and then went for the quad Axel at 17 years old…
I love his music selection. He's a great technical skater. Just needed to improve on artistry. But he's still a great skater & competitor. Definitely one of the front runners.
Да, он определённо заслужил серебро. А Плющенко должен был быть третьим 😊
Very nice. Elegant, full of passion and danced with love.
Well 3rd place is very good.
I think, as long someone skates with passion and love, everything is all right. That counts for me.
What GOE would you give him for these jumps?
I agree he should have been second today he could win gold with this programm but my heart is with Yagudin. But Plusschenko fell that year and had less quards. Its unfair to this man.
Wow.... the jumps quality...........
Imagine disliking this? Seriously??
Interesting, I don't recall anyone thinking Goebel was robbed of the silver back in 2002. His posture was horrendous and it really killed his already wooden presentation. Plushenko stood up straight and always took command on the ice. Tim also stepped out of his second 3axel. None of the judges placed him ahead of Plush, in fact, two of them placed him fourth overall!
Un buen FP, merecida medalla de Bronce.
I think the score was so unfair, omg. I only watch Yagudin and plushenko's videos. Now I saw this and I thought it doesn't loose to them. To see those 5.4 5.5 is shocking. Plushenko wasn't as artistic as yagudin, never seen him get these low scores. He was greaf, less than 5,8 is ridiculous
His choreography is better than the other men's here. Less speed is no reason for awarding him such low marks, when his steps, expression, interpretation are so much better. His sit spins are actual sit spins, unlike Plushenko's, high on the flying spins, his landings much better--easier, smoother, more natural--than the other men, and of course the quads. It's a 5.8/5.8 for me.
This Gershwin music is not thrilling enough for an Olympic competition. I wish he had chosen something more dramatic!
He should have gotten the silver medal instead of Pluchenko .
I loved the music, too many jumps. The setups for jumps take too long.
Two observations. 1) Timothy Goebel is a superb technician. 2) Sorry America...but Timothy Goebel is about as artistic as a basket of unfolded laundry
Das kann unter Umständen auch künstlerisch sein...😂
Ein bezaubernder Junge.
Ну у него техника получше Плющенко и Ягудина, если честно
это истинный чемпион тех игр
Это - выше Ягудина? Да вы чокнутый
Женя должен был быть первым, Гейбл вторым а Ягудин третьим.
フィンランドジャッジひっく
He was good, but no way could he beat those Russian skaters.
He’s way too slow on the ice. Jumps are cool but the rest is boring
И что? Истукан!! 👎
When I read the disgusting lifestyle he leads, I’m no longer for this German.
Loved this performance of Timothy Goebel...He should've won the silver medal here!!...Loved seeing Paul Wylie cheering him on!!...:)
:) Tim and Alexei had what I call the perfect long program for the Olympic season, it just FIT so well
I so agree with you!!
I want the old times back ...
This is a phenomenal program. Ten years later nobody can even get close to the complexity of this program: 3 clean quads plus 2 triple axels. He should have gotten at least silver medal.
Yeah I agree. If he improved on his artistry, I bet he would of at least made it to 2nd place behind Alexei Yagudin. That's what brought him down since he was lacking expression with his music.
@@crazyasianman07 He would've won if his artistic marks were as good as Yagudin's I believe. Too bad he never got around to improving it. He could've been incredible, especially under IJS
Here from 2018. 2002 was the year I fell in love with this sport. I remember this like it was yesterday.
One thing not many remembers about Zayak was that as a child, she lost her 2 left toes on her left foot in a freak accident with a lawn mower. That prevented her from being able to excel in compulsory figures because it was hard for her to control her edging with her left foot. That fact that she was able to land so many triples and double Axels with that handicap is a true miracle in itself and in the amount of sheer determination and hard work on her behalf.
That quad toe at 02:24 is absolutely copy book perfect - high, neat, tidy and perfectly straight in the air, perfect take off and gorgeous clean landing with perfect running edge.
In my view, Goebel should have taken Silver. Let me explain why - and this is going to be a bit long.
Technical Mark:
Jumps: Plushenko made 3 mistakes. His first two mistakes were the step-out on his 4T + 3T + 3L and poor air position on his 3L as well, and he also performed a 2S instead of a 3S. And as impressive as his 3A + 1Lo + 3F was, the 3F took off from the outside edge - a lip not a flip. Whereas Goebel had a step out of his second 3A. Neither of there step-outs interrupted the flow of program particularly. Goebel performed 3 quads, and had both a 4T and a 4S in his arsenal whereas Plushenko only had 2 quads and both were 4T. Again, Plushenko did have the impressive 3A + 1Lo + 3F though, even despite the 3F error. But also, Goebel backloaded his program, with his second 4S and 3A both very late in the program, compared to Plushneko's front-loading. The back-end of Plushenko's program had a very easy 2A and 2S (intended 3S), for instance. Further, Goebel had more difficult entrances and better transitions, including a very difficult spread-eagle directly into his 3A + 2T and a beautiful hydroblade pulling out into a 3Lo at the end of the program. It's worth comparing this to Plushenko who entrances were not complicated, he had minimal transitions, and his 3A's were stalked. There's also no question Goebel had better flow in his jumps.
Spins: Neither had fantastic spins, but Goebel's at least had decent positions, though posture could be better - look at Plushenko's slouch on his sit spins. He did had a more interesting Biellmann combination spin at the end, but it was slow. All in all, I say they are even on this front, more-or-less.
Skating Skills: There's no question Plushenko's basic skating skills, especially speed and edging, are superior here. It's not even worth discussing that, Plushenko is obviously better. Overall better, but not so much better than it overwhelm's Goebels' far superior program difficulty and execution.
For technical, Goebel: 5.9, Plushenko: 5.8.
Artistic:
Plusheko's raw performance ability is superior, but Goebel had the better program. Gobel's movements better reflected the musical nuance, there was in-between choreography, great transitions, and the elements were better balance throughout the program. The program also built and summed to something sensible. Plushenko had wonderful flow and great energy, but with some really goofy posing. The program also never summed to anything coherent, built to anything, or had any artistic framework besides just putting on a good show. Plushenko's footwork sequence was also uncreative and simplistic, despite its energy. Goebel also did far more one-footed skating , whereas Plushenko did excessive two-footed skating and several breaks. Goebel also had better ice coverage. So, Plushenko has more artistry "naturally" (though hardily a Daisuke Takahashi or Yagudin), and Goebel's talents are rather meager in this department. But Goebel actually had a coherent, thought-out program that had diversity and creativity whereas Plushenko's was just lazily thrown together. To me, these cancel each other out. Frankly, neither of them are great in this department - but Plushenko's deficits are by choice whereas Goebel at least tried to assemble and work on a well-thought out and designed program, despite his lack of natural talent in this area.
Artistic, Goebel: 5.7, Plushenko: 5.7
So, that's why I'd have Goebel over Plushenko in the LP. For comparison, I'd have Yagudin winning the LP (and obviously the SP also) with a score of 5.8 (technical) / 5.9 (artistic). His program was glorious.
You're not the only one that thinks Goebel should have got Silver. That metal was a gift for Plushenkho!
***** The fact is Pluchenko had a horrible short program. He fell on his quad attempt there and should not have been on the running for a medal. Timmy should have had the silver here.
ASRIBEIRIO Well put. I think all your arguments make a lot of sense but from the artistry standpoint, the way I looked at it, Plushy was more of a performer whereas Goebel, who really lacked any natural charisma and flow, put together a more well choreographed program. I have never looked at Plushy's programs as being well choreographed or having distinct dance steps. He's a showman and he's entertaining. By 2004, Plushy had stopped bothering to do anything choreographic. Goebel had to have a well choreographed routine because he just didn't have a good feel for that side of the skating. So as you said, they cancel each other out somewhat. I agree with your points about the sheer technical difficulty and technique. But one additional argument I'd make clearly in favor of Goebel is transitions. Not between the elements per se, but in terms of the steps he did before and after his jumps: steps and short lead up to the lutz, plus the rockers after, spread eagle into the triple axel, hydroplaning into the loop at the end. All things that made individual jumps harder. That was all before judges were really looking for that kind of contact. I don't think he or enough credit for that.
I 100% agree should have been silver
I agree even without reading the explanation.
:) I love Tim, it's a shame after these Olympics he never quite got back to the form he was here. But in saying that I have a special place in my heart for Alexei, and I'm happy he won the gold.
I'm sad we lost him from pro skating, would loved to have seen him work with Stars on Ice. I also wish he could have coached -- would love to see him work with Jeremy Abbott. Imagine him whipping Jeremy into shape and helping him get over his nerves.
He had a growth spurt in 2004. His center of gravity was altered that he couldn’t make the adjustment to continue doing the quads anymore.
Agree. Yagudin Was the best.
But Goeble had passion too and danced with kind of love.
I agree with those who say Tim should have had silver in this competition. He was not as complete a skater as Yagudin, who was simply phenomenal. But Tim should have been in second owing to his tech skills.
Remarkable. His jumps were as brilliant as that smile of his.
one of the best programs i've ever seen
i swear if he competed this program under the IJS system he would be olympic champion for sure and just based on technical elements.
i have no idea what the judges were thinking, this was amazing
BRAVO, Timothy!
I just adore that quad toe at 2:28 - the air position is copy book perfect, the height is incredible and the landing is gorgeous. I would say it is probably the best quad toe I've ever seen.
yes and commentators said "plush was more artistic"
i laughing out loud about hour. plush has 0 artistic and choreography. goebel is true silver medalist
Timothy is amazing no matter the medal color. This is my favorite program!
5.6 score is an insult. GIFTED jumper - few can rotate like that. His slowness on the ice was so bad it was very noticeable - and marked down. Great to see any person have that much success and joy. Too bad he could not keep his career going much longer after this.
For me, his slowness in ice adds in his charm.
I agree. Plushenko's fall in the short and her flawed LP was outskated by Tim's performance
I agree, with a few adjustments, he would be amazing under COP. Bronze is amazing when you think silver and gold were Plushenko and Yaguin arguably two of the greatest male figure skaters of the past 20 years.
He rocked it!!!
And Yuzuru Hanyu is supposedly the best male figure skater? 2014 Olympics sucked in comparison to 2002 Olympics. You had Alexei Yagudin and Evgeni Plushenko at their prime doing 2-3 quads all the time and in combination.. even Evgeni attempted 4-3-3.. and this is at the Olympics. Then you have Goebel who did Quads like nothing but never got the recognition he deserved. Male figure skating competition now is not as tough as it was back then...
Well, Yuzuru just did a perfect 4-quad program at Worlds. He will do a 5 quad FS program at the Olympics and Nathan Chen will do 6 quads. Skaters do what is rewarded.
But the only quads anyone was doing back then were toes and salcows. Now they are doing lutzes, loops, and flips.
Nathan Chen landed 6 quads in his Olympic long program.
Howan Cheng Well, if Hanyu skates under the 6.0 system, he would have popped his jump like what Plushenko did (2S) instead of falling. Under the COP system, popping jumps is the worst mistake but falling is still OK as long as skaters got the jump fully rotated. And no one said Hanyu is the best based on his 2014 Olympic performance; they said that after his performance in NHK Trophy and GPF 2015 and Worlds 2017.
Patrick Chan deserved the gold in 2014 and Javi Fernandez deserved it in 2018. I can't stand Hanyu.
TImothy is like such a good jumper that even skaters today wouldn't measure up to him.
This was silver not bronze for Plushenko had multiple mistakes.
TImothy Goebel Quad king forever.
Three quads and spread out in the program. At least one was in what today would be the 10% bonus section! Timothy was ahead of his time quad-wise! I was so proud as an American when he won bronze that night. The Finnish judge was a disgrace. She low balled Timothy the entire competition. 5.4 was much too low also for Presentation. He should've scored no lower than 5.6 on the second mark imo. I'd have scored him about 5.7 like most of the judges.
Brilliant!
The original Quad King
Actually Kurt Browning was the first to land a quad in competition in 1988.
@@bpxl53yewz29 but 1 quad. Goebel did 3 quads and two different types.
OMG JUMP is look so stable and good position... and so musical...
Frank Carroll is such a good coach.
ALL plush's programs is nothing without jumps!
@Chalkare The judge who gave him a 5.6/5.4 was the Finnish judge. However, both she and the Australian judge gave Timothy 4th Place ordinals, while everyone else gave 3rd Place ordinals.
What would that be in IJS scoring?
This was better and more difficult than Plushenko,
@Chalkare I Agree with you. amazing 3 quads, two triple axels - what he does in the air is amazing. He is the king of quadruple jumps, and only bronze? And I think his spins are fast and centered. They under scored him. Now we have our Olympic Gold wins without any quad? I agree with your comment, what a change in the scoring system.
What is the music?
@victoriaindigo George Gershwin's "An American in Paris"
He landed 3 quads and got bronze?!
@3Axel1996 thankyou
I agree with you: I am not one of those who think that Plush should have won in 2010, I totally agree with Evan's victory but I just wanted to note that, when the artistic level goes up, the jumping level goes down... it's sad but I have to say that I like watching good skating more than good jumps!
thats is NOT a sad thing to say, because its true- what's sad is that it IS true, and that the overall good skating is not seen as often now as before.
@chuhboemember6 totally agree. But like in 2003 it was what's in the name not in the skating.
Just wonderful. Yes slow but wonderful silver or bronze - whatever all three men were amazing - Plushenko, Goebel and Yagudin - wonderful skating. Too bad this was Timmy's pinnacle he never really matched it.
It was close but I would have put Goebel 2nd ahead of Plushenko. 3 quads scattered throughout the program, Plushy double two of his triples on top of everything. 5.4 as presentation is quite harsh as well. Goebel beat Plushy by alot on technical, and Plushy beat Goebel on pres. It's all relative.
see Patrick Chan's second quad at 2012 Rostelecom cup (FS)
it's too absolutely perfect
@nightswimmer99 as well as Riverdance and Malaguena
Ridiculous scoring.. a program technically more difficult than Plushenko and Yagudin. I understood that he skated before them but they were both overmarked. I get his lower presentation scores but the technical merit was off.
Ridiculous to see you message! His pre-rotated 4S, 3L from inside edge, 3A with step out. 5.8 and 5.9 - so overscored marks for Goebel.
his 4 salchows were not pre rotated. 3L may have an edge call. But... he did 3 quads landed cleanly and 2 were salchows. yagudin and plushenko landed 2 4 toes. yagudin only did one 3 axel and one jump combination/sequence. Plushenko stepped out in his 4-3-3 and doubled his 3 salchow. So yes, he was undermarked.
4S more than 1/2 rev. on take off and 1/4 rev. on landing. So two "quads" not so good, judges must to indicate this. Plushenko did more difficult combos both unique 4T+3T+3Lo and 3A+halfloop+3F (Goebel 4+3 and only 3A+2T). Totally he did 2 quads and 6 triples (3Lo step uot). Goebel 3 not so good quads and 6 triples (3F step out). Remember much more difficult combos by Evgeni, so we have near equal difficulty, probably more difficult by Plushenko.
Remember also that 6.0 system don't count mistake in all combinations (as now), 4T and 3T was count as clean, and only 3Lo in combo was with mistake. And also 2S by Evgeni wasn't a mistake (as 2T in combo 3A+2T by Timothy).
And more. 6.0 system make a difference between 4T+3T+3Lo in combination, and 4T+3T, and after 3Lo as solo jump. Now we have no difference. But in 2002 this difference was very important. This also was the reason of higher technical marks for Plushenko.
If this was under the post 2005 scoring system, he would have silver at minimal....heck even an outside chance at gold considering Yagudin's spins.
Three quads and he gets mostly 5.8s and even lower? Outrageous and simply wrong. I loved the jumps and noticed they were all full rotated and looked beautiful. Too bad his posture wasn't great (hunched shoulders) and the skating skills and musicality are just not as good as today's competitors. By the way, he has ambivalent feelings now about Frank C (check out his Skating Lesson interview): there was a whole lot of stuff going on behind the scenes which explained why his career ended.
Goebel should have won the Silver here. Remember Pluschenco had a bad short program and was OK in the long. Goebel should have gotten the Silver and Honda of Japan should have won the bronze.
I think that if his choreographer had given him music that at least "appeared" more artistic, it might have helped with his presentation mark a tenth or two. He was competing against dramatic, intense pieces from the Russians, and this music was lightweight (though his technical elements, excluding the flutzing at the beginning, was brilliant).!!!
You wrong... The Zayak rule says that you cannot repeat more than 2 triples in the LP... The Rule of the 8 spots for the jumps is more recent
A lot of men have landed quads, but they all muscle through them like Yagudin and Patrick Chan. No one before or since has landed quads so effortlessly with perfect form, checkout position, and lightness as Tim Goebel. Only Hanyu's could be considered somewhat similar, but still not quite this good.
lcowles Hanyu has more difficult jump entries and exits, and less preparation time. Still, Hanyu's quads look more effortless and lighter imo. But I do like Tim's quads, though it is not as huge as Hanyu's.
Qiqi: Sixteen years ago, the judging requirements were very different under the 6.0 system. They weren't pushing or requiring skaters to do complicated transitions back then. Even Yagudin and Plushenko didn't do them. I'm speaking only of the quality of the jump itself.
HAHAHAHAHA I KNOW HIM I'M SO PROUD
Yeah, but I really don't think 5.4 was justified for Presentation. I also thought 5.6 was too low for TM not only because of what he did but because he had so much difficult content throughout the program, right up until the end. That deserves more than a 5.6. He did as well as he could do and it was a pleasant program to watch, IMHO.
He's so cute!!
You are all saying he should have ended silver at least. People, please. He jumped great but that's all. I know American in Paris really well, this choreography was poor I think and he and his coaches took it as a sport rather than as an art. The result is, that artist - Yagudin - had won a gold medal and two sportsmen, Plushenko and Goebel fought for the silver. Although Plushenko will propably always get better marks for technique than for program components, I think his program components were better than Goebel's. But that was huge disadvantage of 6.0 system... Today figure skaters have different problems. Most of them skate really nice, it's more art than sport nowadays but really few of them are able to land 3 clean quads in one free skate, + the last of them almost at the end. Chan, maybe Hanyu and Javier Fernandez. Ok, maybe Plushenko as well but I'm not sure, he's quite wise to do that :D
Well when you consider that Plushenko had a disastarous short program and made 2 big mistakes in the long at this event, Tim was robbed of the silver medal here.
yep, that's propable... it's happening again and again... Hanyu really shouldn't have won the gold when Chan skated much better... Or team competition and Plushenko winning the free skate for nothing...
Artist - Yagudin and two sportsmen - Plushenko and Goebel . Good words, haha.
Really though, aside from the quad jumps, this performance was very lackluster, close to no choreo and no speed
It wasn't superb artistically like the Russians but lackluster? I disagree. Tim was exuberant in this skate and he sold it as best he could with his limited artistic skills. The audience ate it up and his average of 5.7 on the second mark was on point 5.6 on the Technical mark by the Finnish judge was outrageous. Timothy deserved no lower than 5.7 or 5.8 on the Tech mark. I
2002: all the three men on the podium landed at least a clean quad.
2010: only one man on the Olympic podium landed a clean quad (Plushenko).
The level got higher artistically but now it's really lower, technically!
2022: the Olympic gold medalist lands 2 quad flips, a quad lutz, quad salchow, and quad toe.
he should have stayed eligible, would have liked to have seen more speed, better arm positions and for him to correct that rounded back on his sit spins.
Mark Allan Davis “If he skated that program with the current scoring system not this old one-he would have won”
Really? Then look at result of a WJC 2015 where Boyang Jing with three quads lost to Shoma Uno who didn't jump them at all. I don't argue that the new judicial system in general is better than old, though demands completion. But the OG 2002 man's tournament as an example of bad work of old system, in my opinion, it is biased. Yagudin and Plushenko in the second mark were far ahead of Goebel therefore were able to afford slightly less difficult jumping part of their programs.
Александр Климов
I would also point out this whole "if under the current scoring system this would have happening ..." like of argument is pointless. The reality is that skater's adapt to the scoring system. Yagudin would have obviously done if a different program if this was under current scoring system rather than 6.0 so the point is moot.
+Александр Климов Definately. It's strange how it kind of yo-yo's back and forth. Goebel was a beautiful jumper but Yagudin and Plushenko were much stronger in the artistry of their programs and they were far ahead in the short program marks so they could afford not to have that many difficult jumps. Still a beautiful result from all three skaters.
People forget that Plushenko crashed in the short program. After that he shouldn’t have even been in contention considering how the other skaters who crashed were judged. Truth is Goebel was the silver medalist and Honda of Japan should have been the bronze medalist.
People often complain about Evan Lysacek’s beating out Plushenko in 2010. To me it was righting a wrong from this Olympics.
I think Timmy should have won the silver here. Plushy is a performer, but too me, posturing is not artistry.
I think Tim should have gotten silver. I liked his program better than Plushenko's.
He should've won Silver because he only had one mistake while Plushenko had many.