The WORST Patch Notes in Overwatch 2 History
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- čas přidán 5. 12. 2022
- Big OW 2 News today! This patch has me questioning quite a few things, with Sojourn being buffed, Doomfist buffed, and Ramattra feeling a bit mid. We'll see how it all plays out!
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Giving the tank with the lowest health in the game a bigger hitbox, good idea
Lowest health for a tank in the game
BuT tHe 19 HeALs /s
Yeah, instead of giving her more surviving potential
Nope
They gave her a nerf with the hit box
Yeah the knife throws do more damage and that's all
Doomfist got fricking op and the only "buff" was the knife
Zarya doesn't exist
@@Moiny1 ...bruh what about the bubbles and her shield
Junker queen has no shield no armor and no bubbles to absorb damage
They somehow managed to, in one patch:
-Take the worst character in the game and overtune him into being broken
-Take the best character in the game and buff her again
-Take the second worst character in the game and nerf her
-Buff the ammo on a support hero who should almost never be shooting outside of their ult...where they get infinite ammo
-And drop a brand new character then immediately buff the counterpicks to him
This has gotten way too many replies, I'm tempted to just delete this comment so I don't have to deal with all this incessant noise
The support hero you're talking about is Kiriko, right?
@@aguyontheinternet8436 mercy
Don't forget they took speed from dps so they nerf genji again, (you know just to make sure he stays dead)
@@lordomegatron2328 and inadvertently buffed tracer even more. Have you played against the new tracer? It is a nightmare. Fcking horrible to play against
@@aguyontheinternet8436 good kiriko constantly use their kunai because between your talismans recharging you have enough time to throw out a kunai before being able to heal again.
Team 4: "We want to reduce the stuns in the game"
Also Team 4: Makes Doomfist a stunbot
his normal punch has a quarter second stun, and they nerfed the charge punch stun.....
You are totally wrong ,they want stuns and control on tank that's all and that's what they are doing, there is only one tank so it's not unplayable
Keep crying
@@heythisisntxboxrl5174 thats a quarter second where you have zero input, and for the first second or two after, have very predictable movement as you are against a wall.
All this in a game where an entire team battle can be fought and won in under 5 seconds.
@@heythisisntxboxrl5174 doesn't matter. Hook is a stun for 0.1 seconds.( it only stuns on impact). Any stun cancels abilities and ults. This new doom feels very tedious to play against. So far I'm enjoying season 2 a lot less.
The fact that they decided to increase the hit box on the tank with the lowest health out of all the other tanks is so baffling to me.
thats because half the time you couldnt tell if it was a 200 hp ashe or a 450 hp junkerqueen that youre about to attack. People whinning over the single most reasonable change ever is the baffling part. Junkerqueen literally got buffed too in this same patch or did people just forget that.
@@adammk8473 the buff was still not enough, she was one of the worst tanks since the super nerf and now she is just easier to hit, with the lowest health in the tank category
Yeah she needs more buffs but she REALLY needs a bigger hitbox & a bigger model to be a tank. Or just make her a dps instead lmao
@@adammk8473 What's reasonable about it? Junker queen was actually balanced. That's why she's bottom tier in a game full of unbalanced garbage. If you can't tell Ashe from Queen, that's a you problem. The hitboxes are already broken enough.
@@adammk8473 Bad take, those buffs don't mean shit if she's easier to hit
Everyone was too worried about ramattra being broken, no one stopped to think for a sec he might be *underpowered*
I blame the devs for using controlled environment to show off his abilities, I mean come on now, when is there a zen standing still afk out in the open 😂
he just needs a buff to his punches and i think hell good tbh i like his kit lmao
@@jayanimations494 Zen being out in the open and being afk honestly is the most bronze zen description I’ve seen 😂😂
This comment was on his early Ramattra video.
@@dirt8617 was just thinking that. Thought it was deja vu
It feels like the “nerf to sojourn” was more of a lower the skill ceiling, rather than actually “de-buffing” her.
The ult change certainly was. Skilled players were already wiping teams with the previous charge rate, now low level players get a better chance to do the same.
@@jonathannash8471 i just copypaste my comment for a second, because im not sure about that and maybe i forgot something.
ok i tried out some stuff with sojourn and i dont think the change is much of a buff at all. While her ult railgun charges faster, and you get to shoot more (7 shots total if you start with 100 i think) she doesnt solokill anymore, so she either needs 2 shots, or random damage from her, and because she has a delay between primary and secondary fire, she only gets to kill 3 to 4 targets herself (depending on hp pool of heroes), and only of played perfectly aimwise ( and targets not getting healed inbetween shots). So on paper she gets the same amount of kills, but increases the skilllevel she needs to solokill. How much of an actual nerf it is, i dont know, because she still pierces and stuff, but she is less of a threat herself and like you said might need a mercy now and of course you always have the rest of the team too. So this might actually just a slight sideways change to sojourn in higher ranks, but a straight nerf in lower ranks and i dont think thats what they were going for. but generally think that having the team build around her more is still a good change so she isnt a must pick in every situation at least.
Yeah that’s what they literally said on the OW website
@@deusex9731 It's kind of a buff. Like, who is just railgun dueling all the time? It's literally now just changed to charge the rail, and now those same targets you hit while charging are free to one shot. It's less of farm it up on tank and more like farm tank switch target get 100 shoot, or even shoot target, get to 50 and aim at head and shoot. I'm literally deleting people. Don't forget your teammates are probably shooting people too, no one is 100% health all the time.
How do we riot in Overwatch?
As a support main, last season was a struggle already with all the backline targeting from Winstons and Sombras and not having any CC to deal with it ourselves. Now that we'll have Doomfists, Roadhogs, more Tracers, and still not a single bone thrown for us, it's gonna be miserable. The meta's really shifting to have everyone dive the supports since the divers are getting buffed and the supports are only getting nerfed. I will say, though, I think even with the Kiriko nerf, she'll still be one of the best supports. I'm used to Rally, so I don't worry about the ult cost increase, and the cooldown reduction will still be amazing. The main bonus, at least in my games, has been the attack speed increase. Just that alone swings every game I've had with a Kiriko in it
Meanwhile, me as mercy getting chased by a genji the entire teamfight as I both dodge him and support the team, waiting for someone to actually deal with him, I feel this. But as Doomfist player I just want to have fun using my mobility to cross the map in seconds and not get flamed for not picking a different tank ... even tho ever since I've figured how to play doom to what feels like a decent level to me, I've been kind of farming upvotes, since I seem to win more matches than I lose ... so this might be funny for people that know how to just APPEAR behind the enemy team out of nowhere, or die, respawn and reach the teamfight so fast you'd think the respawn was next to the point, now that stun is back on regular punch and the cooldowns are even lower.
I agree, what am I gonna do with a single sleep dart with a 14 second cooldown as Ana against a tracer, doomfist, and a sobra diving on top of me. The nade doesn’t do much other than keep me alive maybe 2 seconds longer than I would’ve lasted anyway.
Yeah, Kiriko feels built for overwatch 2. Meanwhile Zenyatta, Ana, Brigitte are going to be nearly unplayable. There are already the least support characters and now they are narrowing down the field of playable ones to only those with good mobility 👍
@@brenonweed923 at least ana has nano and good abilities. Brigitte is just horrible and zen is uhh more of a glass canon than a support
well, thanks supports for keeping not just us but the entire game alive
it really meant a lot. But the OW devs apparently don't want the most important playerbase in the game
I played against a doom not knowing he had been buffed. He built like 6 ults before they capped 2nd point. Then he switched orisa for no reason and I gasped a sigh of relief
I love how they didn't want to buff Ball because he's "on a knife's edge of balance" but they'll give Doom every buff known to man to force him into the meta.
Before this patch I thought ball was worse than Doomfist. After this patch I know ball is worse than Doomfist.
@@yozao5736 Hog is a monster...as long as that is true you can forget playing Ball.
@@yozao5736he really wasnt tbh. Hammy is impossible to kill consistently before now DF can just keep ccing him. Worse than road because with road its just one cooldown with DF its two
@@yozao5736 Yes but do we want very strong ball ?
Dooms block and ult are trash no way.
I knew I was smart to main doomfist while he sucked. Top 500 here I come
Lol big brain
LETS GOOOOOOO slam still needs a damage buff but ig I’ll take what I can get.
@@rage_tv4493 slam is already good it's mobility is insane while also being good to dive or disengage
@@rage_tv4493 Yea DF definitely needs more buffs after this one because he's my fav. Don't care but Soujourn got nerfed, IDC.
@@rage_tv4493 what the fuck are you talking about "ig I'll take what I can get" you just got the best character in the game
I thank you, Flats, for acknowledging that, as a Mercy main, this buff is just... no. Please, if you can, don't let this slip under the limelight because I don't think Blizzard will adjust her anytime soon based purely off of Skiesti's recommendations and outcry on r/mercymains. I hope you manage to find this comment and thank you, your content manages to help put many of these patches into perspective for me.
Personally, I just want Valk to no longer break my tether man...
i always thought that mercy as "main" healer - should deserve something to heal better tanks - maybe instead hp/s it should be % max health or something, atleast during valk
I would like some kind of Res buff, not huge but something like a damage reduce during the animation, cooldown or reduced time to complete the res
skiesti and all those other mercy streamers are such shit supports lmao
this! if they just removed the break during the cast time of valk I would be a little satisfied. so annoying having a teammate I'm pocketing die in the split second I hit valk.
Y'all Mercy Mains I swear 💀💀💀
There was always that one doom that single handedly destroyed your whole team.... now there's gonna be much more of them...
Guilty as charged
my fault og
Skill issue
zbra about to have a field day
If you used to get destroyed by a doom before the patch , you must admit your trash💀
That Bronze Mercy you reviewed a few weeks ago is actually about to push to Plat with these buffs.
As a bronze support main, good for them. Gotta break out _somehow._
Cause the ranking in s1 was bugged at the s1 start. So they just getting a more accurate rank now.
HOW , if you're stuck in bronze you are sad. I completed plat, with doomfist while he was that bad
@@THE1TRAVELERmy older brother is/was soft stuck in bronze. He was a plat player in OW1 and hung in Diamond lobbies with me and my buddies. In OW2 he got ranked bronze, he pushed to high silver gold right before season 1 ended and got put back down into bronze with the new season lmao.
@@THE1TRAVELER sounds a little bit harsh don't you think?
Who the hell thought "Hey, Junker Queen isn't doing very good. I know, lets make her easier to kill"?
people get paid to come up with this shit
Don't know why they didn't just make it to where Sojourn couldn't get charged unless she connected shots with enemies instead of both enemies and shields, slow the charge time, but slightly increase primary fire like they did. That way players have more risk to hit their shots or else they have to work back up for the shot.
I like this idea as a Sojourn main
IMO I think junkerqueen could've had healing doubled, especially after hitbox changes. Or keep current healing and add something like 2% mitigation per bleeding target. The damage mit calculations would be odd with lower dmg ticks but her current changes are a joke. Also the mercy buff also doesn't make sense when she has auto loading, emptying an increased mag is extremely unlikely.
If anything, the swap speed might be useful once or twice a game.
My team can have like, 30 more damage per game now!
not to mentiom, if Mercy does need to shoot in self-defense, her clip was already big enough 99% of the time if you are anything above poptato
does it mention that in junker's kit that her wounding stacks?
I was thinking tripple it! x3
We haven't gotten a single experimental, and I honestly think they should do it before every update so they can tweak things if needed last minute
‘If needed’ the devs have been so clueless recently its defo needed 😂
Forreal. It's honestly stupid that they don't do it more often.
Experimental would filter out these bad changes.
Not like they ever listened to feedback from people who played the PTR anyway. But bringing it back is the least they could do
Why give players experimental when you can give it to youtubers and streamers instead?
The only good things about Junker Queen were that her hitbox was smaller than other tanks, and her ult was good (without an enemy Kiriko anyway) but now both those things got nerfed. I’m confused
Actually JQ ult got buffed. She deals the same amount of dmg but quicker and gets her ultimate faster as well
@@KartonicChannelCoolDude none of that matters with her giant ass hitbox now
@@Relevart9169 she is a tank
Her ult bleed went from 20/sec to 22/sec. But enemies can heal half a second sooner. What a nice buff.
@@bendy514 with no barrier or self sustain ye. Her shout gives her a spit of hp on a 14 second cooldown
as a mercy main I see the lowered swap time as a small quality of life change, however- using the pistol outside ult is very rare and since the ult grants inf ammo i saw the ammo increase as a no brainer. Also i dont see 5 more rounds help me any bit in 1v1 genji. A 5% shooting speed increase would have changed stuff a bit or atleast while valkyrie active.
Just so you know, something being a “no-brained” means it is obvious, so obvious it’s a “no-brainer”. I’m assuming that’s the opposite of what you meant :)
I’ve been a mercy main since S7 and recently I’ve started to say fuck it and use my pistol a lot more, consistently getting 2-3k damage with a little less healing, it’s honestly very fun and I think it’s a better way to play Mercy if you find a good balance. You definitely feel like you have a lot more agency on your games when you’re helping getting kills, and enemies won’t expect you to actually shoot them
KarQs video: “Hello, these are the changes, they are ok maybe some are not as expected.”
Flats video: *unleashes the dragon within onto the patch notes*
I thought this was the focus on buffing healer season, not the focus on kiling the healer season.
It's blizzard, they don't give a shit about supports
Its not like they promised support reworks to make support better to play.... Oh Wait
At least ana and mercy got buffed. Right? Yeah.
“healer”
@@tendericed2749 Mercy's "buffs" are so bad, it's not even funny
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@@cashewletta4999 yes
Big fan of the new wrecking ball changes. Also think support is finally going to be super fun, love the Zen change to give him a new movement ability so it doesn’t take 50 seconds to get back to your team and play the game after getting one shotted by the entire meta. That new Ana buff to her sleep dart is going to rock the meta, 1 whole second is about the amount of time it takes for Soujorn to get her ult now, so she’s clearly going to need to lose the whole sleep dart next patch, I think they will also have to halve her movement speed and healing output because she’s going to have a really high pro level impact on the match. Mercy is straight up busted now. Support is just so fun this season. Soujorn has clearly been deleted from the game, that 30% ult decrease is just going to tank her viability at all levels by increasing her damage output. What a great patch
I thought this was a serious comment at first, until I saw "support is finally going to super fun" LMAO. W comment.
@@trench5060 yeah:( it is just.. two miniscule changes and saying - with cleanse and immunities to CC now, we feel comfortable reducing ana sleep dart cooldown by one whole second - while unleashing essentialy back doomfist from OW1, wouldnt suprise if support role got even less fun
The fact we now get balances far slower than the last game without them being a marked increase is absolutely dire tbh. I've barely touched OW2 since early november at this point cause frankly other things have came out and/or gotten updates in the time it took them to figure out how to actually have a full hero roster in game without gamebreaking bugs.
As a support main since the early days of ow1, I'm honestly astounded how the overwatch team constantly manages to keep making this role less and less fun to play and it's really painful to watch
I’ve been here that long too, and on one hand it’s just worse… but then I think of the sheer fucking *victory* of climbing in this hell and I don’t know what to think.
So what exactly affected supports negatively.
@@czar17_28 20:06
And definitely the most blamed too cuz lower ranks don't know how to peel for their support
@@czar17_28 they nerfed kiriko and the only buffs were ana got 1s less on her sleep and mercy got a pistol buff, which she shouldn't use. if the negatives outweigh the positives it affects supports negativley.
The fact that they buffed the second best counter to Ramattra the moment they dropped them makes this even funnier, see y’all in season 3
ong i am not playing this shit💀 almost a decade and they skill cant balance this shit and continue to ignore the community
Them man deadass buffed sojourn 💀
LMAO
@@SellingPotatoess flats missed that soujourn gets the buff of dps too which means you are wiped out
@@mangodxwns thing is they're not really ignoring the community, the better players (who know what changes should be made) are just the silent minority whereas the low ELO retards spout bullshit nonsense on Reddit, Twitter, TikTok, etc. where it gets popularized, sensationalized, and blown out of proportion to the point people lose all critical thinking skills
I do like the fact that the team said that they are gonna help support, then they did this. Good thing I have DBD, I can train to play that while playing support.
I am looking in the shop. Looks like the ramattra legendary offer is either bugged or blatantly misrepresenting what is being sold.
The cover art shows the traveling monk skin, with the flower symbols on the inside of his cape, but if you click into it, it shows wondering monk skin instead.
@Flats Two
The funniest thing about Ramattra coming out is that you actually get to play dps when you pick all roles 🎉
Really? would have thought you would still get stuck with support cause fuckin nobody wants to support this meta.
Not by a long shot. If Support was a role ppl avoided before, now literally nobody wants to play them. All Roles = Support even more than season 1.
I've been getting support and dps in a 2:1 ration when queuing all roles last 2 weeks
@@XXXXXMIKIXXXXX1you are lucky, I’ll get support 19 times out of 20
The only way to get into games will be to play support, queue times for tanks will be 25 minutes minimum and dps still 10-15 mins, support will be under a minute still
The worst part about all of this: Queue times are going to get worse. Legitimately, who is going to want to play support into superdoom and buffed sojourn, while they themselves got non-buffs or nerfs. I think power-wise, supports are in a good place but the problem is that Blizzard desperately needs to get people to *want* to play support for the sake of enjoying support play, not through some artificial "Bonus EXP reward" crap, and instead we've got another patch of supports being the least exciting series of changes. You bet your ass there's going to be a ton more tank players, though.
I was playing Doom for like 3 weeks season 1, all he needed was a damage buff. Doom should be mid at best, good players will always shine on him, bad players normally just die. Superdoom creates the issue of low skill ceiling, which doesn't work for the character, and it also ruins the support experience, because support is normally the easiest to pick off because they have to play carefully, and can be quickly isolated. Can't wait for people to complain to me about Doom when I took time to master him to a point, yet now someone can just never touch pc and play him.
As a Kiriko main, I will remain stalwart. Also, I very much enjoy her couple QoL buffs. Her ult was op, but now it's just good. A sold ult that can still win teamfights if used correctly.
And honestly, Doom doesn't seem _that_ scary. He needed quite a few of those buffs, specifically the ult and overhealth ones.
The „bonus XP“ you get from playing support is so laughable. 100XP is quite literally nothing. You would have to play 100 games on support to actually get a level out of the „bonus“
like support us fine powerwise except for some who need adjustments but its so unfun :/
I am a support main and as painful as it is I will continue maining mercy and Baptiste so the rest of the lads don't have to suffer and play support
I was just talking about this with a friend and laughing about how Soujourn's "nerfs" sounded awfully like buffs to me.
I kinda feel like Junker Queen’s changes show the main problem with the balancing Philosophy going on here. Queen got a buff to her survivability through Shout Cooldown and Wound Healing, but then immediately got a nerf to Survivability with a bigger hit box. Like do the changes even do anything except make her counters stronger against her as they can hit easier?
As someone who fell in love with Mercy's playstyle, I agree that this is only going to encourage bad playstyles and does NOTHING to make her more viable: no rez cancel, no dmg boost increase, no beam attachment distance buff, NOTHING useful, just +5 ammo and a faster switch to the thing you'll use less than 2% of your playtime...
I really like the fast weapon switch, sometimes I'll accidentally switch but now I can bring back the beam almost instantly. Also I use the pistol to kill 1-2 players per game, especially with ult obvs.
Well yeah, cuz I think she is in a fine place with her movement changes from ov1
Why buff dmg boost what
@@twistedfox9445 Well ult is the only time you should use it, and you already get infinite ammo
Yeah I literally thought they were joking when I saw those changes 😂😂
Junker's hitbox increase just means Reaper is even better against her lmao
Oh, sojourn as well
And every character in the game?
@@Riokv well those two, torb, and cas especially because they can gun down tanks a lot faster than most characters. Torb and reaper can land more shotgun pellets, sojourn has an easier time landing all her shots and rail, and cas can fan>nade>roll>fan very quickly on her
@@Riokv Reaper has long been the tank killer, and sojourn is the shiny new character so she's on everyone's mind
@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 Yeah, my point still stands. Bigger hitbox is a universal nerf unless your kit benefits from it somehow
That is if reapers shotguns randomly do like no damage
Sojourn's railgun doesn't increase charge based off damage. If they were to change how quickly she built her railgun, it would have to be through changing her firerate or the actual amount of charge each shot gives. Currently, each shot still only gives 5 charge per body shot, and they didn't change her firerate so she is getting her railgun at the same rate as before, outside of her ult
Damage boost gives more rail charge, and damage reduction seems to give less rail charge.
Hey Flats! Thanks for breaking this down for us casual players and giving perspective on the changes. I read the notes before watching your video, but of course can't see the exact repercussions or how they help or hurt other characters that were not mentioned in the patch.
Omg Ana's buff is huge, now I can miss my sleep 1 second sooner, I'm glad they listened to player feedback and gave healers the buff they deserved
Get ready for that nerf coming in completely getting rid of ana's sleep dart but keeping the dart ability in so you only do 5 damage and no sleep.
@@bobhotpocket1875 That sounds too op, i bet Blizzshit will see it as well and increase the cooldown to 20 secs to balance it out.
@@dio4296 it's only fair
Don't worry they'll just make Kiriko's cleanse cast even faster.
@@bobhotpocket1875 That's too much, now they will remove Ana's ability to do damage and only heal instead. Also the heal is much slower now so it actually heals over time instead of burst so everyone you heal will pretty much die.
I hate how they feel the need to counter every buff with a nerf and every nerf with a buff. Sojourn needed straight nerfs to every part of her kit, but they were too scared to do that. And yes, you see Sojourn at all ranks, from plat to high Masters she dominates all the same.
Heck she even dominates in fcking gold. And people in gold can barely aim
she dominates my gold games. its not like top 500 but me and my friends call her the "ez win character".
Tell that to genji. They nerfed him into the ground the last patch and now they took away the speedboost to hit the last nail, what a move.
Yea in each tier while I was ranking up last season she was dominant. Sure she definitely got better as I got up, but even in Bronze and Silver she'd always land that one-tap
@@Soundwave1900 they literally said "we are nerfing genji because he uses the dps passive to well" but now that the passive is changed why will those nerfs make sense
As a console ladder player who solo queues, Soujourn feels so much better. The 1 tap wasn't uber consistent for console before and just the net increase of consistent damage is so insane. Charging rail gun off of tanks feels better than ever and the majority of her damage comes from primary fire, so it's wild. I didn't know tracer was getting a buff until I played her yesterday and wow does the damage change do so much for her, even for a mid player
Console is a different world
Correction: JQ's Rampage doesn't do any less damage, they just decreased the amount of time it takes to do its full damage. They count Wound duration and damage statistics independently. It seems like they use (total damage)/duration instead of damage*duration.
I'm also not 100% on the hitbox changes, but what's somewhat helpful is that her hitbox isn't as big as some other tanks. 12% of 7 = 0.84, 12% of 10 = 1.2. This means that a hitbox change on her may not be as big of a deal as a hitbox change on Rein or Hog, for instance. 12% extra hitbox is still pretty bad, but maybe not as bad as we think?
thx for this
Still imo an overall nerf cause I’d much rather have the full 4 seconds of anti heal than for my damage to come out faster
@@tekwizwa Depends on how heavy the dmg is. Sometimes you want longer sustained healing, other time you want a bigger burst-like amount
The 35% reload speed after a kill is especially nice for ashe. I just reload instantly after a kill and those 8-12 shots are back in no time
Yo that's a good point, she's got one of the slowest reloads in the game but that helps immensely. Lowkey a shadow buff
Yeah
Good on ashe but scary on other characters like sojourn who had a short reload time to begin with or tracer who had an almost instant reload time who now also has a dps buff.
@@devonbotney2762racer does not have reload time with this buff
13:54 For context, in case you guys don't believe this is a nothing change... Ashe's scoped left-click does full damage out to 30 meters before she starts experiencing damage falloff. Sojourn's nerfed right-click has a 25% longer effective range than an actual sniper.
Ashe is not a sniper
@@laflemmeinfuse5443 She's the 3rd longest range hitscan character in the game behind Ana (#1 with 0 falloff) and Widowmaker (#2 at 70 meter falloff). Most maps you won't even notice she has a damage falloff, and I'd say her playstyle is pretty close to sniping.
@@kevingriffith6011 true, that doesn't make her a sniper
The only sniper other than Widow is Hanzo, even Ana is not a traditional sniper since she can't OS with a headshot
@@laflemmeinfuse5443 I suppose the point is that Sojourn's "nerfed" range is still longer range than all but two hitscan characters, and the one behind her is, by my understanding, considered a pretty long range character outside of very specific maps.
@@laflemmeinfuse5443 Sniper = Dude in the farback line camping. Cope.
Giving jq 50 armor (swapping out 25 health but giving an additional 25) and increasing the speed of her bleed and healing would be some good changes
I think the wound duration decrease on Junkerqueen just means that the 100 bleed damage are dealt faster, but same amount. At least thats how I understanded it.
Every patch, we stray further away from Zenyatta.
Argh! You mean freeyanatta, since he’s basically a free kill for anyone unless he pops his ult to save himself.
Is victory so important?
@@SoulX81201 Zen IS supposed to be a glass cannon, his dmg is the highest in the game already and his HPs are mostly shield so they go to max in a second of not being hit. The only problem he has are his insanely large hitboxes, dude's a Support with the hitboxes of a Tank
@@yami2998 the shield actually takes about 3 seconds to start healing and it heals pretty slowly, he's just a worse kiriko now
@@kokimlu142 he has the fastest self(base) healing in game since the shield regenerator factor stacks with his passive ability
As a kiriko main, i found JQ the easiest tank by far to kill on your own and now with an even bigger headbox it'll be childs play. I dont understand why they thought the "buffs" balanced it out
Its really confusing. They might as well give her a helmet that gives her dmg resistance to headshots, kinda like armor. She dies really fast without already
@@tendericed2749 wow actually a good idea you should work for the dev team
JQ is a close range brawl character without armor like rein, without a brawly shield like Winston, without a big health pool like hog, without crowd control like nearly every other tank, without the mobility to engage and disengage for free, and in exchange you get to inflict a debuff that can a.) Heals you for less than what doom's passive generates on average over 3 seconds, b.) Can be cleansed by the other new hero that they released. Brilliant. If she wasn't so much fun to play it would be so much more miserable
Well, that isn't a very fair comparison when you cancel all her bleed healing
@@bruhmoment702 literally 4 more healing from knife bleed is supposed to compensate for a considerably larger hitbox?? What were they even thinking? Like there is no way they actually thought this shit was a buff.
This reminds me of that Circletoons video of how the overwatch team approaches hero balancing. After 6 years that video still rings true.
I feel like making Sojourn''s charge rate slower when she does damage to tanks the same way ult charge is slower was such an obvious change and instead they made the changes they did
As a Doom main it would be nice if they focused his kit more on complex mobility like In OW1 and rewarding Doom players for chaining good combos but his fate was sealed when they decided to make him a tank. He’ll probably get nerfed by mid season patch or even before. His character is in a weird position right now because if they nerf him he’ll essentially be right back where he was last season but if they leave him how he is he’s going to dominate at most ranks no matter what.
literally just have to put his tech back into the game
Pls dont make him like in ow1... i despised ow1 doomfist, and for a damn good reason. He was way to strong and cancerous to play against.
He won’t get nerfed. It looks like a lot in notes but doomfist still underperforms other tanks. He needs more.
Brother, I have handfuls of comments on so many content creator's YT pages advocating for reverting the role swap and these idiots will die on the hill that ow2 is overall better with less CC. Like, the only way you kill Doom is with CC but you're mega buffing him all while not giving even supports Stuns? It's nuts how many clowns think ow2 is any better than ow1
These buffs did nothing really. He still feels clunky to play.
As a support main, the explanation for the Mercy buffs makes Ana say, "Hey, what about me?"
hey now Ana players will get one extra sleep dart per game, worth!!
/s
@@Real_MisterSir 2,8 More
Sleep dart cd is 1 second shorter 😎
Moria would like my healing buffed at least...
Sleep dart 1/15th faster, thats exactly what I wanted
wait, someone explain to me, how come doom used to interrupt ults before with his regular punch? Did it not have like a tiny tiny stun when you punch someone? Like it moira was ulting, you can stop her you with a regular doom punch. So are there 2 separate instances of a “stun”. Like the disrupt, and then the .25 second stun?
The worst part of all of this is that Doom and Roadhog being meta is that neither do jack squat to protect the supports
Even tho Roadhog is pretty good at defending Supports
I'm a support main and I will tell you I'm pretty pissed with overwatch 2 so far. Last season I got the bronze 5 glitch. I climbed from bronze 5 to plat 1. Then while plat 1 consistently got placed with silver teammates and just got flat out diffed while I performed highly. Of course I had some off games but a majority of my plat loses came from having under ranked teammates. I ended the season at gold 1. The new season starts and it has placed me silver 2. And now I have to climb through all this bullshit?!? Wtf man
if u have underanked teammates then u have underanked enemies
@@kevthundercliffe6255 Actually, no you don't have to have under-ranked enemies. That's the "fun" part of the matchmaking.
You can have enemies that are roughly your rank while you're expected to carry team mates who are under-ranked. I don't know if this is a plat-and-below thing, but it's most definitely going on. How do I know that? Because you end up on both sides of it - distressingly often fighting teams where there's only one good player.
You belong to gold. Plat was an accident
@@kevthundercliffe6255 hahaha hahahah hahahaha hhahahahah hahaha
haha metal player struggles
So mad for junker queen HOW COULD U SCREW UP THIS BAD??
Argh! I think it was mentioned before that people who worker in WoW’s balancing where moved to this games to help “balance”
And it shows how much “balance” they’ve done to an FPS shooter.
Blizz: Mercy, we have a buff for you...
Mercy: Oh, Thank you!
Blizz: ...as a dps
Mercy: -.-
Basically it reads like:
Blizz: Mercy, you look pretty today...
Mercy: Oh, Thank you!
Blizz: ...compared to a dog.
Mercy: -.-
It really feels like a borderline insult lol.
I was really hyped to see huge junker queen buffs but instead they basically nerfed her slightly, whilst doomfist gets like 4 times the amount of changes and they are all huge buffs
haha big fist oogie boogie
I wanted to main JQ this season. I will not be doing so. I'll probably quit maining support still though it's going to be fkn dumb thos season and I don't want to spend the whole season running back from spawn as Ana
@@felixcaron3384 hitbox nerf was huge
I really wanted queen to be my main hero for tank this season, guess that's probably not gonna happen
I mean doom was literally useless before these buffs so it is what it is. Cope
0:26 Control Game Mode
1:12 Hero Challenges
1:20 Shop Update
1:31 Competitive Play
1:47 Ramattra
2:13 Doomfist
9:36 Junker Queen
11:41 Bastion
13:29 Sojourn
17:43 Symmetra
18:18 Tracer
18:38 Ana
18:51 Kiriko
21:02 Mercy
23:07 Season 2 Map Pools
24:36 Flats' thoughts about the patch notes
@@clarling 🤓
Goat
@@sraxil7682 shut up dork
thanks
I love the push game mode because its a quick way to 20 losses
The bleed duration change on queens ult is a buff. it still does 100 bleed, but it deals that damage/self heal faster.
The map situation is pretty bad. We get one new map, a few cosmetic face lifts on old maps. Mean while two maps are gone, some maps are broken or bugged and thus removed. We also lost all the 2cp maps... I am pretty sure we still have less maps now than we did in OW1.
I just want Havana and numbani lol
Gibraltar is a great map as well
we definitely have less
I hate doing push
genuinely miss kanezaka ngl
They don’t get that we liked Doomfist for his complex mobility. We don’t want a punchbot
But at the same time they have to satisfy all the people that complain his punch doesn't live up to the name Doomfist and they should buff his punch
What i have been saying for long time, dooms kit isn’t for tank hero. If they make him tank, MAKE HIM A TANK.
@@Grizzy6122 at most a minor buff to uncharged punch was enough. The charged stuff was the best thing about his hit and didn’t need fixing
idk these devs are so clueless its insane. Nerfing genji yet buffing sojourn. Glad doom was buffed but jesus this is too much. He's gonna get smoked in the mid-season patch I bet. He'll be OP for half the season then get gutted
@@masift1494 He is gonna get his 2 weeks like Genji and get put back in the box 📦 lmao
I was already depressed playing support. Knowing we won't get a patch for 3 weeks plus 2 delays isn't making it feel better either.
When I saw Ramattra what I liked about him was simply the ult. It was the only ability in the entire game that reduces enemy damage. For everyone. This was so good, the skills were not so great, but just the good itself made the tank *good*. Now they have removed that, so it's useless...
Moira's enfeeblement?
@@DorogiOfficial Yeah but that’s not in the game, so I was hoping for an unique debuff. But hey they got rid of it. 50% was way too op, literally would make any fight almost a win button if combined with speed boost. I think nerfing it to 25/30% was a good choice. But removing it completely… Yeah, hero is useless
Ana's nano reduces enemy damage
@@jahvedmorris3738 not to mention Zen's discord orbs can be considered a debuff on enemies.
Ramattra now just has a 3 second ultimate countered by literally every single thing in the game. Even as simple as just walking. Congrats on saving ult charge, but you might wanna start over as soon as you get the ult
Bro I just wanted JQ to be put on the same level as the other tanks this season. I'm getting that amazing new skin and I won't even be able to use it because I'll get bullied off her every match.
Dude, I feel your pain. I started playing doom with the start of OW2 for two reasons: 1) I've always been a bad dps player, but played a lot of the tank role. 2) I always wanted to play doom because its gameplay seemed amazing to me
But after I started my journey, I was constantly bullied by people around who did not even want to try to play with my character, and always yelled at me to switch (and this was in a quick game, I did not even open the comp once). It was very sad, but I put up with it because I always hated playing meta-shit. Now I'm going to feel guilty and again be bullied all the time, but this time by enemies who will tell me I'm playing a shitty meta character. This development team really doesn't understand how to balance their game at all.
@@pomij_lissya Doom isn't meta, it's hog.
more than 1 character can be meta ;-;
@@ghoulbuster1 its hog and orisa every match right now. Maybe monkey will appear as well.
@@dracoindustires3979 I haven't seen orisa yet, but I have seen a lot of bad dooms.
As a mercy main I was excited to see her name in patch notes… then it was just 5 more bullets. Cool
let me pistol dowm this pesky flanker *25 five bullets later* why is my whole team dead?
@@aldonavarrete987 idk why I laughed so hard at this
Literally the most useless buff I‘ve ever seen. It’s basically nothing. She didn’t get changed. This is not a buff
its so insulting
Fr. We've been asking for rez cancel and no beam break during valk cast for years and this is what they give us
As someone said on Reddit, it's like the team listened to all of the ideas people had to make Doomfist feel a little bit better to play, viewed every single suggestion (except making his punch actually more than a minor inconvenience) through a funhouse mirror that left it recognizable but slightly off, and then applied every single one of them, all at once. We got the old WoW balance team on this thing? No attempt to actually BALANCE the game, just a deliberate musical chairs of who is the best at any given time?
Argh! Classes in WoW have been horribly unbalanced for years.
Yet they hire those same clowns to balance an FPS shooter 😂
17:12 based on what’s in the patch notes, her railgun doesn’t charge faster (when not in ult) overclock is really only her ult and I think the railgun charge through primary fire is based on hit projectiles and not damage. So her normal railgun charge time isn’t effected at all
It is actually based on damage. You can see this in effect in custom games in bossfight games, if the boss has like 50% damage taken applied to them your railgun will charge really slowly. 😉
So i wasn't the only one who thought the Doomfist buffs sounded crazy. Like Doomfist mains were already annoying at times, the only problem really was their tankiness and utility as tank, but this is just more DPS tank..
Hehehehehhehehehehehe doom funni man
Tank Doom is just turning into Damage Doom with extra steps
This'll be my season XD
*cough* Roadhog
As a doom main now i'll just make hell for my opponent i already did but now it'll be worse
Soujorn did not need the increase from 9 to 10 damage on her primary. Her damage being reduced starting at 40 meters is still too much. 25 meters was more than enough.
what? wtf are you talking about with "25 meters was more than enough"?? in the very thing you're looking at it says it was originally 70 meters, this is a nerf not a buff
@@godlyvex5543 for the fall in damage to start? Thats more than enough. U know how far 25 m is in OW?
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 your phrasing is wrong, saying “25 was more than enough” you make it seem like it was 25 before and was changed to 40. Shouldve said “it shouldve been 25”
@@godlyvex5543 it was 70m to start losing dmg 40m is still a decent amount of distance before losing dmg but realistically should still be lower
@@Riokv no it is not. Read the line above and you will get why
isnt the ult trade off a full buff since the damage isn't reduced, so the damage over time that people that are hit take is just applied faster?
That's hella funny they made JQ's head hitbox bigger, cause I even mentioned it before to people I play with that her head seemed oddly strange to hit.
The overwatch 2 balance team really needs to understand what "balanced" mean
Balancing blizzards budget, right?
And i thought the balance couldnt get worse after Geoff's retirement
I'm just some diamond pleb one-trick and from an hour watching Mid-season balance patch tier lists on CZcams I could have done a better job balancing things than this.
@@SmashToBits LMAO
@@Donler WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENT? WITHOUT UPSETTING ANYONE?
I'm playing her (Sojourn) in quickplay a bunch today and easily getting double the damage of every other character in my matches. It's a straight up buff.
Wow! Youre doing well in quickplay!
Okay but that’s quickplay. Play in Competitive and come back to this comment.
@@kassandraofodyssey6475 same applies lmao
@@kassandraofodyssey6475 Same applies. Almost like it's the same game or something.
@@nikolasmoret1884 Bots are everywhere these days, it's so annoying.
actually rampage just gotstraight buffed. it does the same amount of wound damage, but it does it faster now to fit the reduced time window
Got to love the Mercy buff, now when I accidentally hit the scroll wheel I get my staff back in 0.7 seconds instead of 1 second...
That's massive if her secondary gun wasn't a joke.
@@ramencakes5196 Yeah, it needs a rework for sure.
I think the Stun on base Punch was unnecessary. I think most people agreed that empowered Punch should be more impactful easier to get with Block.
Orisa javelin stuns people everytime they hit a wall and that has infinite range. Doom punching someone into a wall should definitely have a slight stun also
I feel like they should’ve buffed brig in this meta considering the emphasis is going to be on jumping the supports. They should’ve given her more tools to defend the other support that way it alleviates the focusing on supports AND gives Brig more reason to be played.
They literally could've either buffed her primary damage by as little as 3-5 dmg per swing or given her the worlds smallest stun/slow on her shield bash and it wouldve made a world of difference. I'm a brig main and I'm terrified that I'm gonna become a sitting duck for doomfist once my cooldowns are gone
I still play her pretty often. I've been playing her since spring 2018.
@Sentient_Trash_Can literally any kind of buff would be appreciated, I'm not even worried about Doomfist, I'm worried about Sojourn.
They should have given Brig something super weird where when she shield bashes someone it stuns them......
Has anyone had a bug where they get hooked by hog and end up facing away from him after the stun is over ?
26:10 anyone know what Flat's said here? Audio cuts out...
if i’m not mistaken, the overall wound damage stays the same, it just is inflicted in a shorter amount of time, so a buff
The dmg is inflicted faster but the antiheal time is shorter
I would say the 0.5 sec of anti is more valuable than going from 20 bleed/sec to 22.22 bleed/sec
@@freak_mj4842 it's just the damage over time, the anti heal is exactly the same
The anti heal is the same guys
You get more healing from bleed, 125 hp x enemy hit with ult
And can we also talk about how laughable those *support* buffs were... Wow one second off of sleep dart and now Mercy's pistol has more ammo.
i'll never go back to ana until sleep dart cd is fixed
Ah yes FEAR MY BATTLE MERCY YOU PEA- oh the Soujorn dived me again.
If Sym gets ammo back from damaging shields, then shredding a Reins shield will only be easier now?
The thing I despise with balance changes is the give and take. They'll buff a character and then nerf them too. I get it, so they aren't overwhelming. Doom is a prime example of giving a buff and not a nerf.
On the contrary, JQ is a good example of why it's bad, too. If they had just given her the buffs and not the hitbox increase, I genuinely don't think anyone would've batted an eye.
But for some reason, it's always gotta be one positive with a negative. Maybe I just don't understand, I'm a low rank pleb so what do I know?
The JQ changes were not a good example of give and take balancing. Usually you balance by nerfing one aspect of a character and buffing a different aspect to shift the character's direction without crippling the character itself. The issue with blizzard doing this method of balancing is that they are only doing 2 balance changes per season, so they have to squeeze as many changes into each patch so they can get feedback for the next change in the season. This often results in character's being too strong or too weak until the next patch.
I can't imagine how frustrating being an OW2 pro must be. Long queue times, push, playing with and against Soujurn + Kiriko + Lucio/Mercy every match, the tiny map pool and now this.
What happened to improving Competitive for season 2?
1. Ramatra added to the game. Yay
2. Doom op now. Oh no why.
3. Junkerqueen nerf. Wtf.
4. Sojourn buff. Imma join skull gang 💀
5. Bastion buff. Okay, nice! Maybe from here on the patch notes are good?
6. Symetra buff. AHH
7. Huge ana buff. Awesome shes meta now...
8. Kiriko nerf. Nice.
9. Dps mercy. Yeah... Dps Mercy.
It's a dps mercy buff.
Oh no. Is blizzard secretly Riot?
Would removing the crit on sojourn secondary be a good change?
As a Mercy main, I'm currently in shambles, it seems to me like Ramattra's pull doesn't really affect anyone much besides Mercy and maybe Lucio, and Blizzard decides to buff the least important part of her kit :(
yea this, played a few games in qp and ramattra is honestly just ok, but he does excel at hard CC'ing mercy, who isn't particularly strong as it is lol. thank god i can battle mercy for 2 seconds longer though
Hold GA, it should get you out of Ravenous Vortex rather than just pressing GA
BECAUSE THATS THE POINT OF NEW HERO BRO TF ARE U TALKING ABOUT YOU GOT BUFFED AND STILL CRYING LIKE A LITTLE SHI
Actually, Mercy is the only character that can overpower the pulling effect of the circle thing. No other character can
@@aguyontheinternet8436 Echo dash and pharah jump do im pretty sure.
I have never been more terrified in my life than when listening to those doomfist patch notes. I can see the end of times approaching like a freight train.
Played today, brig was my only way
@@gavinlaster5909 RIP zen players
Support mains see a tank flying at them and will shit their pants when they realize it’s a doom fist
support mains listening for death:
Doomfists:
_andeysay andeysay _*_andeysay andeysay ANDEYSAY-_*
@@EggBabyOfficial I will throw orbs with this Doom. If I’m going to die then I’m going to die fighting.
I played support against Doom and it feels like like if Im not dead Im being dived
As a bastion main this buff was not exactly needed but verrry helpful i thought they were gonna increase the recon cooldown tbh
"we removed most forms of CC because it's not fun to play!" -gives doom infinite CC-
Ikr, did they not learn their lesson with overwatch 1? Did they not learn what too much CC does to the game? Doomfist was literally the reason why I quit and he might be the same reason why I quit again.
Most all tanks have CC though...
@@bobhotpocket1875 a .25 second stun is nearly indistinguishable from the regular interrupt on punch, and the reduction on his empowered stun to .75 gives squishies a better chance to not get combo'd 100 to 0 without being able to respond.
@@cavemanraveman1 for real, fragile supp mains just cant handle even seeing doom being playable. the only thing hard buffed on doom was his passive and block. his ult went from the worst in the game to just okay and his empowered punch is now an actual ability you get more then 3 times an entire game
a bunch of his buffs was just a reshuffle
@@bobhotpocket1875 skill issue
The new map is pretty harsh for some characters. Lots of flanks, lots of high ground and super high skybox. Problem is if your hero doesn't have a lot of mobility it's a nightmare. Never mind it is a payload maps so at least one person has to be in those crowded streets with a million flanks possible to pick them off.
I have a feeling attack is just going to suck with it.
the poor ana player alone on the cart fearing for her life
@@aldonavarrete987 Also won't be able to do much healing, lots of corners and turns plus the slope. I think Line of Sight to her team be pretty bad from the cart.
@@aldonavarrete987 Ana shouldnt be there
@@BenutzernameXY Well one of the problems with 5v5, some one has to push the cart. There is only one tank, so getting them to be on the cart is near impossible and usually a waste.
DPS never liked touching the cart even in Ow1, maybe if your lucky a ashe/widow might snipe from the cart but in general it has to be a support player. Given that most fights are far from the cart, if you want any impact at all it has to be a ranged support user like Ana or Bap.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming Imagine a widow pushing the cart lmao
this is exactly the same scenario that we just had with Zarya. The window of opportunity for you to kill the (old Zarya) new Doomfist is just tiny.
Just counter pick him and watch him struggle to keep a positive EAD. Roadhog is really strong right now in general, and he bends doomfist over.
8:53 wtf my furniture just started floating
Jqueen's self healing should have been 2 health per damage dealt, and apply to allies in the Commanding Shout
I'd like to see them give her Armor in her base HP if they're going to make her hitbox bigger. She's still the only tank without that sort of thing.
Could also change her Ultimate windup to be able to block projectiles in front of her or something for skill expression and some form of protection in her kit, again being the only tank without that.
@@probablyilliterate Considering how she´s clearly supposed to go in hard, it baffles me that her self-heal is so shit. No armor, Commanding Shout needed at every occassion because she has no other defensive tools and her ult´s windup being so incredibly slow and obvious that it gets cancelled like 7 out of 10 times but that self-heal that´d be a unique aggro-tank passive is useless.
Blizzard really thought 1.25x would mean shit when she heals on average 700-1000 at most in a match
@KORAWIT TRERATANAKULWONGS yeah her healing is absolutely shit.
@@Sierra7329 Worst part is. That’s during the ENTIRE game. A lot of times it got to 300-500. Her healing is so bad you don’t even see a difference. Like if you were to tell a junker queen player that she can heal, that player would stare at you if you were high.
This patch feels like an out of season April fools' joke.
''Do you guys not have phones?''
Blizzard's entire dev team is like an April Fool's Joke
Tbh mercy need a small healing buff like 1-5 more hp per sec, she cant keep some alive half the time, she does 55hp/sec while moira after 2 sec of healing she does 105hp/sec, and plus ball on top is op
Listened for the 10 min powerpoint presentation on doomfist combos:
"Ye, they got rid of the CC"