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Would love to see some more WW2 Dogfight from you.
Maybe F4U Cosair or Me262.
Don't judge the tomcat's speed on the wing sweep. That's how a pilot managed to trick an F/A-18 pilot in a dogfight.
Im a simple man, I see a Tomcat getting gunned by an Eagle, I click.
I love your videos! Can you do a dogfight with an A10 to show how to defend and attack when air assets come at you?
Hey GS how about some more variety on some hats maybe lighter colors and tee shirts with logos on the back thanks.
"...But he's gonna break his flaps and slats if he extends them..." Meanwhile, " OVER-G, OVER-G, OVER-G"
Lol you get a heart.
I mean, in Desert Storm it wasn't unherd of for F-15s to pull 13g. And to be fair the Cat can too. The landing flaps are not ment for dogfight speeds, and so are out of there design spec. We know it was done, even though its prohibited.
@@sasquatchycowboy5585 It was done, and frowned upon. It's not respected in the community. Breaking the aircraft was not well-regarded.
Once you Over G and Keep Over G, You Should have Passed Out! LOL, LVL, LOL! F-14 Wins! LOL, LVL, LOL!
@@e.l.norton Pretty sure if you killed an enemy jet, or didn't get shot down yourself, that maintaince wouldn't really be that upset about doing the over G inspections. In training sure, that's going to be held against you, but in combat, well its combat.
As a former F 15 crew chief I was in tears hearing the amount of times Bitching Betty screamed over G lol. But you did win 🏆
Haha I figured you guys would rather the f-15 come home then not even if she’s pretty busted up.
🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆 - that's all I hear...
As a current f-15 crew chief I can confirm that this over-G is going to require at least 2 beer cases for a “sorry” payment
@@GrowlingSidewinder you are correct sir 😂👍
@@taylorc2542 well, one landed while missing basically an entire wing, so...
"That was the best flying I've ever seen. Right up until the very end." - Jester
Right up until the point you got killed. You never ever leave your wingman.
Great flying in that first round, I enjoyed
yeah, a bit too much a vertical in the end :(
but it's probably GS who's too good for any adversary :)
wouldn't ignore a famous 30 year old quote.
"He got you, didn't he?" - Viper
As a former Eagle driver this video brought back some great memories. Never did get to fight there tomcats, but loved DACT. We always fight down to a floor of 5k or 10k, so seeing you do the rate fight right at the ground gave me goose bumps, would have loved to try that, but one misstep and a sec later your a burning hole. You fly a pretty good jet, nice rolling scissors, couple of your tighten downs were a tad late, but you have a solid understanding of BFM. Great vid.
hey man, thanks a lot for the kind words means a lot hearing that kind of stuff from someone like you. Much appreciated.
I'm sure you get asked this a lot but do you think you could answer some questions I have about becoming a pilot?
@@jacobdewey2053 no he cant, its just a troll
@@jacobdewey2053 Do you think you can pass the physical? Do you really want to be an officer? Have you completed a PPL? Got an instrument rating? There are good vids out there telling you what steps to take (hint these are minimums). What you won't ever hear is that flying heavies may be more rewarding in the long run. Think about what mission(s) fit your personality and what you REALLY like to do. If you want fighters your family MUST be second chair. Hell, even if you are lucky enough to be in a C130 family will often take a back seat. You will work 18 hours days for at least 5 years maybe more. Looking back there are other choices I would've made, but if you got the itch you've got to scratch!
every military video comments ever (not even complaining)
11:14 *David Attenborough voice*: And here we see the wonderful mating dance of the twin engined North American birds of prey..
Haha fcking awesome comment. Loved that
F-15: "Over-G, over-G, over-G!"
F-16 pilot: "Under-G, under-G, under-G!"
It's funny because both are rated for 9 g.
F-22 pilot: Way Under-G, Way Under-G!
F-35A Pilot: what's over-G? (No over-G warning due to structural strength)
Your opponent really knew how to knife fight with an F-14.
This video was amazing and beautiful to watch. Seeing these two big birds, dancing around each other like ballerinas, just AWE inspiring. Thank you, GS, for another wonderfully done video on air combat.
thank you brother glad you enjoyed.
Makes you wonder how amazing the F14 would be if it stayed in service as long as the F15 and got all the new avionics given to older fighters in the 2000s
Another big difference maker would've been engines. The F14 was a bit underpowered throughout its service.
The ‘91 Gulf War should give you an idea of how well.
Eagle-33
Tomcat-1
FYI, the A10 had 2.
@@soonerfrac4611 what number is represented there?
Yet it’s the same engine as in the Mud Hen Eagles, and most Vipers. Under powered in the Tomcat but the E model Eagle is fine, always found that weird.
@@soonerfrac4611 the Tomcat was the Bomb cat at that point.
Imagine how cool it'd be to be on the ground watching and F-14 and an F-15 in a rate fight going all out.
I'd be standing in a puddle of my own jizz.
Until the F-14 seems like it's getting closer to you lol
As ar as I know they have a minimum deck altitude they're not allowed to fly below when fighting. But even watching two big birds circling like a pair of hungry vultures would be amazing! Even at altitude!
@@UMSLdragon Would a minimum altitude even count in a real battle? I mean, if someone is trying to kill you, I wouldn't have thought altitude would be a concern. Training, sure, that's very different.
@@UMSLdragon no rules in war
The F14 and F15 were very comparable fighters when they were in service together. If the F14 had stayed in production like the F15 did they would more than likely still be both very capable fighters when matched against one another.
Especially with the Super Tomcat 21 that was planned.
The F-14's airframe couldn't handle staying in service.
Iran disagrees. The older model TCat did wonders for them.
@@WarlockInTraining in 2022 it’s hardly used.
@@mitchie2267 FALSE, it was just cheaper to fly F-18s, so the F-14 was axed for budgetary concerns.
“The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid.”-Goose
Greats balls a fire.
*doesn’t watch the canopy*
Finally got my PC last week Growling Sidewinder!!! Been flying the crap out of the Viper and implementing tactics I learned from your videos and getting familiarity with the profile of it.
awesome news dude, I think the F-16 is a great choice. Its pretty early Access and has a long way to go but even with that in mind its still the best air to air machine overall out there. great choice man.
I learn something every video. Even when it is re-learning because although there may be a re-explanation of 1 circle, 2 circle, rate fights, energy management, not going vertical in a Fox 2 fight, loosing cues, patience, when to reverse, jamming the WEZ, maintaining the right speed, flying the enemy's path, not pulling your nose too soon, off set in the merge, keeping your lift vector pointed at the opponent, using the vertical to cross the nose out of the HUD, etc etc etc; there is SO much information just casually and calmly imparted every video is a school video. Love them man, keep them coming and thanks for all the content.
I always thought of the Tomcats and Eagles as a pair of brothers, very similar yet different altogether. Watching this video is akin to witnessing a pair of siblings going at each other, trying to prove who is the better one.
Well the the Air Force never took the Navy up on its offer to square off against eachother. How would it look if the Air Forces best fighter F-15, lost to a Navy F-14? But the Air Force was more than willing to let the F-15 dogfight an F-16 as its a win win for them.
F-14 RIO: You're going to do what Mav?!
I hope DCS soon brings out The Last Gunfighter the F8 Crusader. I will be so interesting to watch this thing dogfight.
A F-8 is in development be it sadly wont come soon :(
Long Live the Legend ... "MiG Master" ! ^v^
As an aircraft maintainer in the AF pissed about the Over G is an understatement
Last time I was this early, F-14s were still in service.
@@mab2187 Yes but the F-14s that Iran uses aren't really that useful anymore being so old and battered
@@treeamble585 The Iranians are currently upgrading their entire mothballed fleet of F-14s to something that might look like the proposed Grumman Super Tomcat. We know that they have all new avionics, we suspect that the engines have been upgraded, and we also know that the AIM-54 has been upgraded. The assumption is that the Iranians had help from either the Chinese, the Russians, or possibly both.
The Iranians currently have the manufacturing industry to produce all the parts needed to activate the mothballed jets and keep them in the air, while also upgrading the entire fleet. It's unclear (at least to us civilians) exactly what kind of upgrades they have performed, but we do know the Saudis are very, very concerned. If all the reports are true, that would give the Iranians more than 50 advanced 4th gen aircraft that still have many, many hours left on their air frames.
You can read more about it over at Janes, if you have a subscription.
@@operator0 Can they be considered advanced 4th gen? From my knowledge, f14s don't even qualify as 4th gen
@@854gabryel F-14s are most certainly 4th gen. You can look up lists that categorize 4th, 4.5 and 5th gen aircraft. The F-14, F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 are all 4th gen.
11:00 and I'm trying to imagine just how loud that would be standing on the ground as these two fight for dominance a couple hundred feet overhead...
GS: *HahAHa Over G goes brrrrrrrr!*
Mechanics: 😡
Beats digging up enough Elmer's glue to put the plane back together
Im a avionics tech. When they land and report over G, some bad words pass through my mind lol
Vincent eby: lmfao!!
@Vilfredo ParetoFYI:(great question) it's the fighter jet being put under severe stress which means more work for the ground crew/crew chief. If this was real I mean.... lots of parts to potentially replace and systems to check and adjust. Over-G means severe gravity being put on the fighter jet/plane/weapons platform! ✌🛹
@Vilfredo Pareto over G means alot of inspections to be made
I must admit this is one of the best dogfights I've seen on your channel. But if I'm being honest I was pulling for the Tomcat to be victorious
Damn. Damn, you gotta respect that even a damaged Tomcat was still a challenge for the Eagle. A great example that at the end of the day, it comes down to skill.
The F-15 Eagle is my favorite aircraft of all time - absolutely love it!
Gotta admit, I cried a little seeing that Tomcat go down.
Pretty realistic result of a real dogfight with an Eagle.
@@Whiskey11Gaming There was an F-15C pilot who did at least a 12g Split-S in Desert Storm. F-15C is G-limited by the pilot, very tough airframe. F-14 had roll-rate induced engine failure limits that had to be observed by the pilot, as well as instability with nose procession and tail lagging that made it hard to fight. F110 fixed that though. Keep in mind these types of guns fights are handicapping the aircraft to a 1950s exchange, not the Fox 2 and Fox 1 fight that is more reality.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Exactly
@@Whiskey11Gaming I read a story once of an F-15 pilot who got the ocean and sky mixed up, and realized his mistake from the pull-up cue, doing 650kts nose-down. He pulled the stick with his full upper-body strength and pulled 14G with an initial momentary 30G+ spike. When he landed, the wings had measurable dihedral that the airplane wasn't made with, and the upper skin was corrugated at the wing roots. The airframe was a total write-off but it was able to land. In this scenario it was said that an F-16 with its strict electronic G limiter would have hit the ocean.
The F-15 is a tough cookie. Compared to the Tomcat, the Eagle has a wider fixed wing root vs a narrow pivoting one, and has a lot less weight to heave around. Obviously it is possible to pull to hard and damage the airplane, but it's definitely going to stay flying after a little 11G excursion.
damn it. was taking a test but now I gotta sneak my phone to watch this.
Do it
Was worth it
Grade?
@@guaporeturns9472 definitely an f
Need a shirt that says "Over-G"
13:20 I've been that guy.
I did an air-air AI mission in the A-10. I got hit pretty quickly by a missile from an L-39.
Lost the right wing tip, right vertical stabiliser tip, right rudder and left elevator. Some minor right-side system damage and a right engine fire.
After putting out the fire, it took about 25 mins of circling with all sorts of alarms going off before I finally manage to get close enough, at the right angle to fire a Sidewinder. It blew all his control surfaces off, and the crew ejected.
Despite all the damage, I was able to land safely. I call that a win!
That cinematic of the rate fight on the second round looked so badass
Honestly looked like a film, especially with that lens flare
@@stevemc6010 yea it did. personally i get more excited seeing a rate fight in a cinematic view instead from the pilots perspective just hearing the engines and seeing the planes in the rate fight gave me chills
Watching this in 1080p60 without a problem thanks to my new Internet provider. Now I can see more details than I normally would see.
Dude if you’re narrating this while you’re flying, good on you. I used to be an Air Force flight instructor (T6). As silly as it may seem, being able to “talk and fly” is an acquired skill.
Love these videos.
Talking and flying is hard af. Idk how my instructor does it
So cool seeing you fly the Lakenheath F-15s. My dad retired a Master Sergeant at Lakenheath, the sound of an F-15 full afterburner going vertical is something that will be permanently etched into my mind. There's just something so special about the Eagle. Love your content brother, keep it up.
Fantastic as always. That chase view from outside showing you both circling each other is a great view. Shows people exactly what a two and one circle is. Nice work
Dang that vertical chase in the second fight was like something out of WW2. That was pretty cool.
Damn, the Demon Lord trumped the Razgriz.
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A man of culture.
All I have to say is Kudos for flipping that first flight... Just incredible flying
Other People : It's F-14 Tomcat
Growling Sidewinder : Flying doritos
In round 2, that Tomcat pilot got all "I didn't hear no bell!".
Suicide by F-14 pilot, GS: “I can respect that” 😄🤣
I think the tomcat should've forced more 2 cycle situations instead of escaping into the vertical since that's where the F15 really shines and should be avoided at all cost. Other than that the Tomcat did a really nice job but I think that you really should switch Planes after each round to get a better comparison between the planes and to properly visualize the strenghs and weaknesses of both planes
That's the dogfight I've been waiting for a looooong time!
'Awesome' is not enough for this video.
One beautiful and intense fight right here.. and seeing Caboose try to gun you toward the end screamed "you aint seen the last of me"
My two favorite aircraft’s with the voice narrating on one of the best channels on CZcams you are the King of the sky and you guys are amazing.
Don’t eff with the Eagle 🦅 lol. Mad respect to the Tomcat pilot. Great fight!
The f15 is an amazing aircraft. I love that jet
Could you include more shots from an "on the ground" perspective?
It's fun to see what it would look like to have these dogfights happen from a regular passerby on the deck.
A Tomcat trying to out vertical an Eagle, I don't even.
That flying scene at the end with that music was beautiful. More of that please. Good job
“Just let it happen, bro....”. Nice
Awesome channel GS, that's why I keep coming back! 👍
Should be noted the F-15C does not have fly by wire either.
I like these long dogfights and this video really shows how fast the fight can turn when a small mistake happens
I enjoyed seeing such amazing flying , both of you really know how to get those fighters to dance.
I think I might know what was going on with that one circle, I notice that Caboose stored his energy in the one circle with the climb then tightened the turn at lower Gs at the top of his climb, then cashed it in for in the dive, to make the most of it. Also a good idea if you wanted to make some space if you were going for a fox-2.
Great video as always. Idea for future video, maybe a Mirage and Mig 29 dogfight? Could be neat.
Long time follower, first time commenting.. this was an awesome fight, one of my favorite in a long time
These are SO much fun to watch! Thanks guys!
Growler, love the videos and can't wait for more! Would love to see some WW2 era and/or general mixed Prop type fights (Spitfire vs a Zero?) if possible at all
Keep up the amazing work!
10:50 the sound is soo realistic it's amazing 🔥🔥🔥
Your ability to anticipate a mistake (1st round) is uncanny.
Top Gun vs Iron Eagle. Nice!
@@Whiskey11Gaming shit , i forgot. You're right.
Yo GS, again another awesome video. Great flying by both. Amazing demonstration of patience with the cat on your tail during fight 1. It would be cool if you would switch aircraft and show how you would fly against the aircraft you just flew. Thanks again. Cheers.
I just love every Video from you with the F-14. Its such a awesome plane!
I was rooting for team F-14 but that Eagle though. It's recorded that an F-15 has never lost a fight.
@@Whiskey11Gaming An actual fight. Combat conditions. Not exercises.
This was a great fight! Really enjoyed it! Especially cos they're two of my favourite jets!!
Wow that was a closer fight than I expected!!!! Good flying!!
The ultimate Air Force vs. Navy showdown.
Another nice vid, GS. Did you ever think of splitting the screen between the two cockpits to show the views of each pilot simultaneously (like a 2-person Mario Kart race)? I don't thingk a whole video in this format is ideal but I do think that short cut-scenes in this format interspersed throughout the video would make for some exciting and unique optics.
I've ALWAYS always wanted this duel to happen. fell in love w/ the F-15 ever since the old floppy disk game many moons ago
The quality and skill of the flying in these videos is amazing
In addition to the awesome power to weight ratio performance of the F-15, it’s your superior understanding of the art of air combat and your exemplary piloting skills that really makes the difference.
just what i needed, i was bored
these fights are fun to watch, they are so even so it always comes down to the wire. Great video as always.
Thanks for another awesome video. Been looking forward to this one.
Hey GS, after seeing the raptor hunt video, I had an idea for a future video you could do: raptor infection
Everyone starts as another aircraft, and one person is a raptor, but with guns only. If u die to a raptor, you become a raptor. Last person left alive wins
Yo that sounds like a really interesting idea
F-15C doesn't have fly by wire controls. I think those were added to the E.
Actually the F-15C has two systems working in tandem. The hydro-mechanical is primary with a backup CAS (fly-by-wire).
Not even F-15E has fly by wire. A proper FBW system is present in the brand new F-15EX version, that will replace F-15C. This allows to increase available lift, a for the benefit of maneuverability, and also to unlock the external subalar pylons, previously unused because caused stability problems.
Really great fight. Was beautiful, actually. I noticed how alert GS was with this opponent.
That 70s show. As I listen, your narration easily has my minds eye visualizing Topher Grace in the cockpit.
Awesome battle. A friend recommend DCS videos and this one, the first DCS dogfight video I’ve seen, certainly doesn’t disappoint. It probably helps that the aircraft I was rooting for emerged victorious. That being said, I was surprised how even a fight this seemed. The F-14 has very impressive long range capabilities, however, I expected the F-15 to have a more definitive advantage in this type of fight. Also, what is a “rate fight?”
Hello, welcome to the channel, thanks for checking out the video. I think people are often surprised by the F-14s ability to be competitive in dogfights that most people would write it off on, often times against far superior adversaries. If this kind of stuff interests you or you would like to learn more basics of this kind of stuff I have made a basics video where I also talk about what a Rate fight is, you can find it here: czcams.com/video/Biphq8Bqe7I/video.html&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder
Thank you for another great video GS! It's always amazing to see what aircraft can do in your hands.
Ps. I would love to see what you can do in the F-15 vs the F-16 in a BVR and also in a FOX-2 fight. Is the F-15 still relevant at all or did all of the improvements made to the F-16, together with the fact that the F-15 doesn't have datalink and only has a SFM, make it too much for the Eagle to handle?
clicked as soon as i got the notification. Love the vids dude!
I think a great addition to your videos would be a digital readout of your airspeed on a corner of the screen throughout the fight. Especially for jets without the JHMCS, it would be great to be able to see your energy state throughout
I can’t help it ... I keep hearing “aubergine, aubergine, aubergine”. What the hell does an eggplant have to do with any of this? 😜
😂😂😂
shoot,, now i can't unhear it😂😂
Only on the Rafale.
@@nandasuryaprastama7700 . That was my fiendish plan ... MOOOOOHAAAAHAHAHA.
@@christianpethukov8155 . Certainement!
We need the F-14D with digital flight control and updated avionics!
@@Whiskey11Gaming well there are mods for the F-22 which is completely classified and a lot of features of even the F-15 and -16 are not publicly available.
Basically a mod of F-14B with improved avionics, displays and HUD (there are very precise books about this), plus better handling. Which is a lot of software work I imagine.
F-16 crewcheif here. Yes we would be pissed indeed. But the pilot will grab a speed handle as well! Lol. Great content GS.
I used to go to air and sea shows as a kid and would see both of these jets. The F-14 appeared surprisingly maneuverable for it's big blocky shape, but the F-15 was a little better at flying straight up like a rocket. It only took a few seconds for them to climb out of sight. I always thought the F-18 seemed behind them in vertical power but the lower speed stunts were certainly in the Hornets' favor. I remember the B-2 being loud as hell ironically but the B-1B was also loud. We never got the F-16 Thunderbird team at our show unfortunately. I've only seen the F-22 parked at the airport but I think it flies now in recent air shows. The A-10 once used its cannon on a barge to explode some targets, so that was cool.
His Jester really stick with the plane to the end, and yourse... lol
“Quite a bit of over G”
Probably needs simulation by the simulation. e.g. wings being torn off, nose-dives, engine failures etc. Same goes for the 360-degree VR: there needs to be some restriction on head-turning ability. Maybe the screen goes blurry, out-of-focus when you do it too much.
The first round was as close to real as it gets. Which remind me of the video with mirage 2k VS f-16...which depicts so damn realistically the daily dogfights over Aegen sea. And that is hard to find. Awesome dudes!!!
Beautiful video and i just love the F14 so much, my eyes shine with that bird!
When I see a f14 in the thumbnail.
Ah Shit here we go again.
More F-15 wvr dogfights!!
From the merge, the F14 pilot was flying a tomcat like a FA18
Love the vids, I think its time to get a LARGE scale dogfight. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of planes, just flat out clashing. Make it chaos! Or have a large scale BVR invasion.
"Never go vertical against F-15"
F14 is the most beautiful fighter ever built
P38 lightning “hold my beer”
Su35 dude
@@crashgsxr750 P38 is a gorgeous plane, but not like the F14. Definitely on the list though.
@@celewign I do love the Su fighter family, but the F14 gets everything just right. It's the best IMO.
The F-14 and Flanker have VERY similar side profiles. Both are beautiful. Honestly, as "artful" design goes, I think the Rafale has stolen my heart as of late.
That engine fire would've been the perfect dinner bell for a fox two.
You get bored, frustrated, you do something stupid and he's got ya - Goose
Happy to see some Eagle love!!
As an 80s teen I've always loved both the 14 and 15, with my preference to the F15. I love that it will continue service as a ultra capable hypersonic missile carrier. This was a great dog fight. Loved watching it.
In 1977 I was a young eagle keeper crew chief at Nellis Air Force Base when the ACEVAL/AIMVAL project was being conducted To determine the next gen AAM that eventually became the AIM-120 AMRAAM. The squadron commander of the 57th fighter weapons Wing, who was a great guy showed a bunch of us some gun film one time in the hanger of the F 15 going up against the F 14. We knew that ACM was going on between them because there was a squadron of F-14s on the ramp right next to our F 15‘s which was silver squadron of the 57th FWW. The gun film we saw showed the F 15A cleaning the floor with the F 14A almost every time. Less than a year later that squadron commander augured in with the commander of the base hospital in the backseat of an F 15 B That I had done and over G inspection on not even a year earlier. Very sad, But it was clear from the gun film that the F 15 a was the superior of the air 14 a in close air combat. The F 14 a was just too big and heavy and did not have the thrust to weight ratio of the F 15 a.
The respect in your voice is brilliant