Brushed vs Brushless Tamiya TT-02 Speed Runs!
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2019
- My son's TT-02 - it was kind of slow out of the box. By slow, I mean 18mph...
We wanted to see just how much change we could get by going brushless, and then 2S vs 3S.
This video was actually filmed over a period of around a month. When we went to install the brushless setup, the stock plastic motor mount cracked! Boo! Waiting for another time to work on, and ordering the parts in took awhile.
After all of that work and waiting - it was worth it! Very surprised on the speed we got out of this, and really don't believe it is the maximum either. We were severely tire limited in these 3S runs.
Will we get some better tires and see what happens? Maybe. Depends on how cheap they are. Otherwise, I am not sure we would really use them for anything.
Thanks for watching!
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GoolRC brushless setup: rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...
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You're an awesome dad. This is the coolest speedrun I've ever seen.
Thank you!
Just found your channel has to be in my top ten of channels I’m subscribed to and this is only my second video. It just feels like it has a real feel to it it’s not fake your not sponsoring anyone it’s just you and your family testing I love it! Keep on making videos!
Thanks! Appreciate the sub also!
Great vid, really like the tear down and installation of the new motor sped up. That 3s is magic! Subscribed ✌
Yeah, this thing was insane on 3S!
Thanks for the sub!
Loads of fun. Enjoy your weekend!
Thank you! You too!
Awesome stuff bud. Ya channel looks great man. Love seeing the kids involved as well bro 🙏🙏
Thank you! Yeah, I am all about getting my kids involved in this hobby.
Nice runs, those 3s runs were a bit surprising 🤘😁 Good job!
Sure surprised us!
I hope that you will overcome the scary Corona 19 and that your channel will develop more and more every day, and it will be a huge success. Thank you for making and showing your wonderful and valuable video.
Thank you so much!
Wow, this is really fun! I have to try it some day with my son!
I do suggest it!
Cool looking car . Nice set up.. I was looking at TT02 recently ... opted for a cheaper alternative for my son but might get one for myself.
Love the family vibe in your vid
Thanks!
Overall, I am not a huge Tamiya fan. Their designs are just simply not as durable as other designs!
@@RoadsideRC agreed
However our local clubs run Tamiya classes so we are forced to comply ... wish they opened it up to other brands as it would make racing more accessible to newcomers
Great video can't wait for more
Thank you!
Very cool run guys. Reading your description looks like you know tires to go with. I've used the BSR Racing 26mm in the front and 30mm in the rear on my 4Tec that I converted. Not sure what width you would want to go with but they are great foams.
Thanks for that recommendation. Why did you go with a staggered size?
@@RoadsideRC The stock setup on the 4Tec staggered.
Awesome 👌 Great looking truck
Thank you.
Great vid, !!
Thank you!
Awesome speed runs that thing looked FAST!! awesome video I said 27 mpj on the brushed was shocked it was 37 haha 👍👍
Yeah, it surprised us also!
Thanks for watching!
Hey Roadside RC! Sorry about not commenting on your vids, I’ve been on a long camping trip. I’ll work my way through the vids and make sure to watch them all though!
We always appreciate your support! Hope you had fun camping!
Nice speed runs! I just finished building a tt02 myself but installed the Yeah Racing aluminum racing kit with steel bearings and high speed spur gear. I upgraded the stock Tamiya torque tuned motor to a Tamiya TBLM-02S 10.5T sensored brushless motor running it with s 5000 mah racepack NiMh. It looks pretty quick running it in the garage but it's been raining and haven't tested it out in the open yet. Hoping to get at least 30 mph on NiMh 5000 may racepack. Will eventually upgrade to a Lipo system to maximize its potential. Thanks for great video and tt02 speed runs!
With that 10.5T in there, I would be VERY surprised if you don't hit 30mph. Honestly, this setup should have gone much faster but it was just uncontrollable.
@@RoadsideRC Yeah, that 3S Lipo really packs a punch! Hopefully I'll have better control with mine using a 5000 mah NiMh pack.
Good run cars look awesome
Thanks for watching!
I have been trying to find this video for so long
Glad you found it! Was it helpful?
Yes very thanks 😀
Great vids !!!!!!
Thank you!
The TT-02 is a great chassis . Had lot's of fun with mine .
We have been pretty happy with it. Not quite the basher-spec we are used to, but it does drive nice.
Thanks for watching!
@@RoadsideRC The best fun I have had is with stock racing . The plastic on Tamyia can really hold up to brushless . LOL
@@PhilipCockram That would be fun, I agree!
Nice runs 🚗🚗👍
Thank you!
Oh man! Your kids will thank you much later in life getting them into such an awesome hobby as RC. I just wish there were still the Tyco Ricochet's around!! I so wish I still had mine (1990s) to brushless convert haha
A really good, really cheap speed build though - WLToys 124019. I chose that for my speed runner; grabbed some SurpassHobby ESC's with 4370KV motors on BangGood for around 20 bucks a set, grabbed a metal spur gear with them. On 3s, I haven't gotten a full top speed run yet - I crashed on a bumpy surface, but pulled 63MPH via GPS!! I'm almost up to interstate speed (foam tires)!! On 2s it'll pull 50MPH without effort; dangerously fun. Nowhere to go run it though; track that is. I'm still searching for a smooth and lengthy piece of tarmac to get the full speed run. The 104001 is another good one - lots of support and 3D printable replacements; true 10th scale buggy too (LC Racing EMB-1 clone). Laegendary is another good brand to check out as well - I have some videos on my channel of the 8th scale SCT; 41MPH off-road. Got a 'behind the wheel' video too!
I don't have any Tamiya stuff - but this makes me wanna get one; looks good!
Thanks for the kind words and suggestions.
Honestly, I do not recommend getting a Tamiya. I have found them to be overpriced and underperforming. Your money us better spent elsewhere.
@@RoadsideRC Well, that changes that haha but no worries! I love the hobby myself. Always trying to recruit more people!
Awesome video my friend very cool
Thank you!
Nice car, cool vid too!
Thank you!
Cool Video Buds 😎👍
Thank you!
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
Sick car dude!
Thank you!
⭐️Great video.Excellent RC⭐️👍#302
Thank you!
Nice speed run. I love the TT02...I have one that does 80mph on 3s. Going to try 4s 100c pack this weekend. Hoping for 90mph.
Wow! That is crazy!
We are not trying to set any records with ours, just having fun. I have run across a set of foam tires now, so will be using those on the next attempt.
Thanks for checking us out!
@@RoadsideRC Cool bro. I subbed back. Great vids.
What motor did you put in there? Any other upgrades to make it do 80?
Use foam tires. I use a 9000kv, 2 pole castle motor on my street build. The 2 pole gives u a high rpm but less torque. It tames the car down but still gives you that higher rpm for speed. My build is doing 66mph on a 2s. 3s is wicked and giving me 78mph but overheats to quickly. 2s doesn't overheat at all.
You got too much in there. It is pushing the pinion away from the diff gears and that is that clicking/grinding noise that is happening right before you spin out. You were spinning out due o the gears getting caught in the grind and locking up the diff causing the tires to lock up and spinning you out. cool video and thanks for it. I was wanting to bump up to 3s but now I know there are limits to the drive train that need to be addressed prior to that jump :)
Happy this could help you!
Interesting thought on what was happening. I was going down the rabbit hole of tire ballooning, but you might be right.
@@RoadsideRC The TT02 is notorious for eating gears. Along with front and rear GPM metal ring and pinion gears, you also need the Yeah Racing adjustable motor mount. The stock plastic piece has poor mesh and it flexes too. Also, if you look online, there's a full metal spur gear I have these upgrades in my TT02B, and it has become fairly bulletproof.
Addiitonally you might want to consider the ball bearing steering system from GPM and the Tamiya alloy prop shaft.
Get harder springs. You also spin out because the body is pushed down into the road, and thus the tyres lose pressure and contact.
Front and rear metal gears, adjustable motor mount, stiffer springs and belting the tyres are key to making this work. Without those things, forget all about it. Also replace the servo saver with a solid arm. Takes a lot of flex away from the steering.
How did you switch your GPS unit from km/hr to MPH? I've one and cant change to MPH.
The company offers a software download. Through it, you can change all sorts of stuff.
Lovely!! Great maker!!! I subd!!
Thank you so much!
@@RoadsideRC look forward your next video!!
Very impressive run with 3s combo. Do you remember what Spur Gear and Pinion Gear you had?
I never changed them from what came in the box!
Have you had any problems running the 4300kv at all? I'm getting a TTO2D and wanna be able to keep up with my friends Krazer mk2. So far it seems a 4300kv on 2s would do it. Any opinion on upgrades to make sure the car can handle it?
We didn't run the car a bunch with this setup, but it did work well. We had no durability issues or anything. Even ran on 3S and it was CRAZY.
Make sure you get a good set of tires. The stock ones are not up for the job.
Sounds like you got some kind of grinding, is that gears slipping or the plastic dogbones or prop shaft maybe flexing and rubbing on something in the chassis?
I never found out. I think it might be ALL of what you mentioned. I really don't think these cars are designed for this power level.
i just ordered the same car, what is your opinion on the diff gears? do they hold up to 3s so far? I love watching you and your kid, wish mine was into this lol.
Thank you!
Yes, so far the diff gears have been good on 3S, but it has also been on the stock tires which makes traction the limiting factor.
Good luck with yours, and thank you for the compliment!!
@@RoadsideRC Thanks brother
Good run. Glad you didn't crash it too bad. Thanks for the sub👊🏼😎
Yes! This thing was crazy to drive.
@@RoadsideRC seems light?
wonderful brushed ,nice daddy great collection racing cars look very rel and colo brilliant wow got speed
Thank you 👍
Nice guys! 👍😃👍 I was curious how it was going to do, it did good. I was going to make mine a speed car but instead made it my drift car. 👍😃👍
Great idea! I think it would probably survive longer as a drift car!
Thanks for stopping by!
Is that the stock speed controller? Can you use it on 2 or 3s lipo safely? I was under the impression the max was 7.2 volt nimh. Thanks
Not the stock speed control. I bought a whole brushless ESC and motor setup to put in it. Yes, the factory speed control being limited to 2S was quite a hindrance.
Lol very nippy on 3s. Lol that poor nice new body.. I miss my tt01e, how are your gears holding up on 3s mate? They sound like they are grinding like crazy at high speed or was something else grinding?
Gears are good so far. The sound you hear is the tires ballooning up and rubbing the body! Certainly would need to fix that!
@@RoadsideRC ah that's good then, I must admit I'm tempted to get another TC, you could try gorilla tape on the inside of the tires that should stop them ballooning, happy rcing to you and your boys 👍
I'm running a castle 9000kv in my tto2 and getting 66mph on a 2S. I am using foam tires to prevent balloning and a 2 pole motor to prevent those wicked torque spin outs at full throttle.
9000kv is waaay up there!
its worth a note if you change the spur gear to a 66 or 68 and put a 24-27 tooth pinion on brushed its just as quick as brushless. also have you set the counter to the right scale rc as it can effect the resuld
Thanks for the tip.
Like the new body
Thank you!
You should try the gps under the body. You are changing aerodynamics with it on the hood of the car. You may get a few more mph that way. 👍👍great video guys.
You are right! Might have a made a difference. Honestly though, we were not trying to set any records or anything.
Thats awesome, I have a brushless system in my tt-02 mustang n it moves n blows the tires of the rims! If u forget to glue them Oops! LOL
Ha! I remember that video of yours! I figure some foam tires would do this thing a lot of good.
Thanks for stopping by Stevo!
SUPER VIDEO!! 👍💕
Liebe Grüsse ✌️
Thank you!
It would be interesting to see the difference. I’m going to buy and build a tt02 or a tb04. So what’s the best fast motor I could put in it. Is there a chance it could burn out the motor using a higher power battery.
Great question. I have not experimented more, so don't know the best combos. Sorry.
Great upload friend. big like
Thank you!
Bro this is sick! Doesn't seem like you have posted in a while.
Thanks for the nice comment! I appreciate it.
No videos of the TT-02 recently - COVID has me doing much more crawler and drifting things.
vet cool rig bro 👍👍👌😎
Thank you!
damn fast on 3s!
Sure surprised us, that is for sure!!
Great video, I need to get myself a street car!
That is the fun of RC - all the different variations!
Have you tried drifting?
@@RoadsideRC Not yet mostly crawling and bashing rigs. One of these days though I will need to! 👍👍👍
@@BeyondTheScale I highly recommend it!
Just curious did do any thing to upgrade the esc or did you use same especially with both motor types?
I swapped to the GoolRC ESC that came with the motor combo. The Tamiya ESC was being a pain and wouldn't cooperate with the non-sensored motor.
Not 100% sure I would call the GoolRC an "upgrade".
It gets so much speed
Yes! It is so fast that it is uncontrollable!
What gps are you using. Looks nice.
Thanks!
It is an older version of this one: amzn.to/3hfXbrv
However, this one is just as good, but cheaper. amzn.to/30tqGQx
Great video I love it so much, a new friend here dropping my love and hugs to your house, Thank you so much for this beautiful content, God bless💕❤️
Thanks for visiting
2s is perfect I think and move that tape man. Lol thing ran crazy on 3s
Yes! 2S is certainly enough for this car!
Does any of the cars have a transmission? i have a brushed =cheaper one which obviously does not. Also i have replaced the batteries. Which batteries do you use and how much $$ do you spend for them? I have bought one with ~4200mah and have spent 50eur
None of our vehicles have multiple-gear transmissions.
I typically look on Amazon and eBay for batteries, and look around for recommendations.
We have had good luck with Ovonic batteries recently.
How stock was the car? Did you upgrade to bearings or any other mods? Thanks
It had a full bearing kit and the brushless setup. Otherwise, stock.
i think you need to get the body down lower too, I think it might be also getting air under the body and lifting it, change tires, maybe foams, and a wing for down force on the body then try again
That is a good thought. I wouldn't be surprised if the air was a major factor. Could always cut part of the back body off also.
Like, great video edition. Done, you have a new supporter: thank you
Thank you!
What size pinion and spur have you got in it on the brushless motor
This was still the stock pinion and spur.
There’s the possibility that the parking lot paint is causing you to loose traction. Seems like it gets squirrelly on the stripes. Also try foam tires.
Thank you. I think you are correct. Foam tires will certainly be an upgrade!
That 3 s sure made a difference
Sure did!!!
It's an interesting video.
Thank you!
Awesome video my friend! Count me in as a loyal subscriber. Take care and God bless you and your loves one my friend. 👋😃
Thank you sir!
cool , good , rc cool
Thank you.
that's cool big difference on 3s
Sure was! We were surprised how much power was there!
Thanks for watching!
Boa tarde meu amigo esse motor que você colocou ele vai até 3S??
Sim. Ele vai rodar até 3S!
Just lifts up after It gets so much speed
There was certainly a lift, but also a pull to one side.
Very nice vidéo my friend ⛔ great work ⛔ 👍#255
Thank you!
Did you used 3s on the same tamiya stock esc?
The stock ESC would not run 3S. We had a different ESC in it for those runs.
@@RoadsideRC Was it the ESC from GoolRC?
love it, Subscribed, you say Tamiya wrong though....
Thanks!
Think my regional accent has taken over the saying of Tamiya? :)
How do you say it?
sorta like this czcams.com/video/TN0KMPxvRpU/video.html but more Scottish, czcams.com/video/Bxy9Ou9r-hU/video.html 41-2 secs but less German, lol or this czcams.com/video/SxCGqD5D8lE/video.html just a few, hehehe just regional variations! say it how you want!
Just for info I have an original Manta Ray and a 2018 one I'm making a brushless shelf queen!
Awesome video bro! Reminds me of my true 1/10 Redcat Lightning,lol.
Those Redcat Lightnings are fun! I had the Tornado(?), 1/10 buggy from the same platform. That little buggy was a blast!
cool 😎
Thank you.
did you have any heat issues running on 2s with the 4300kv motor
Nope - zero issues. Although I would also say that I never ran a whole battery through it at full throttle either.
4300 is nothing for this rig with stock gears. I run a 3800 kv offroad in a full metal geared TT02B with 68/21 gears. No overheating.
ABOlsen80X thanks for the info guys.just got a tt-02 and going to put a hobbywing 4000kv in it.was impressed with the speed for only 2s power.that thing was crazy on 3s but loved watching it.
@@aaronwilliams9164 If you're going to track it, there's a few upgrades you should do right off the bat.
GPM steering assembly with ball bearings
www.gpmparts.com/tamiya-tt02-alloy-steering-assembly-with-bearing-1set-gpm-tt2048b-p-90066154.html
GPM steering tie rods
www.gpmparts.com/tamiya-tt02-alloy-steering-tie-rod-1set-gpm-tt2160-p-90066161.html
GPM front and rear adjustable upper arms
www.gpmparts.com/tamiya-tt02-alloy-rear-adjustable-upper-arm-1pr-gpm-tt2057-p-90066160.html
www.gpmparts.com/tamiya-tt02-alloy-front-adjustable-upper-arm-1pr-gpm-tt2054-p-90066157.html
Team Fast Eddy bearings
www.fasteddybearings.com/tamiya-tt-02-chassis-rubber-sealed-bearing-kit/
Solid alloy servo horn to replace sloppy servo saver
www.gpmparts.com/aluminium-servo-horn-for-25t-spline-output-shaft-holes-design-airtronicskojr-1pc-gpm-sh025t3-p-90073037.html
Cool
Thank you.
Was that on stock esc
No - all the cheapo GoolRC electronics.
Is your son happy with the TT-02 of Tamiya?
Unfortunately, no.
We can't honestly endorse this car.
The material they mold the parts out of is rather fragile, the design is a hold-over from MANY years ago, and the base kit comes with bushings!
If you are looking for a fun on-road vehicle, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
As an example, the new Arrma Vendetta is faster, handles better, is more durable...and is cheaper than building one of these.
Some company use to make belted tires for 1/10 car maybe a company still does you find out so it will be more stable.
That would work. Thanks.
Use foam tires for speed runs.
It's fairly easy to belt your own tyres. Get some kevlar fabric and cut strips that has the same width as the full inside of the tyres tread surface, as well as the same length as the circumference.
Turn the tyre inside out and use the same type of glue that you use to pach a bicycle inner tube, and glue a kevlar strip all the way around the circumference of the tyre. Try to make the ends overlap as little as possible. Once dry, turn the outside back out, mount the tyres with inner foams as per usual. Balance the wheels and you're ready to go fast. Kevlar belted tyres done properly can survive over 150 mph runs.
What tires are you using?
They were just some cheap rubber tires from Amazon: amzn.to/3wyUHwA
@@RoadsideRC thanks for the reply
Belted tyres and then get GPM metal front and rear diff gears in it.
That would certainly help. I was surprised the gears lasted.
@@RoadsideRC
Watch the vid again:) They actually do skip a few times. The "TT02 grind" is unmistakable:D
Consider some stiffer springs. It sounds like the air is pushing the car down which causes the body to contact the road. This takes the downward pressure away from the tyres and you lose traction.
It will also get easier to control if you install the alloy steering linkage with ball bearings, some turnbuckles and replace the sedvo saver with an alloy horn. There's a ton of play in the TT02 steering unfortunately.
Good video, thank you for sharing and hope you can have such great videos, so please interact.
Thanks for visiting
Quite impressive for me! The video is meaningful! Watched full. I will always support and stay connected, thank you ^_^
Thank you! I will be over to check your channel out also.
From what I can tell your body might be scrapping the ground when it hits a bump, so maybe your shocks are not coming up fast enough or not stiff enough. (Note this is just what I think from watching the video)
Thanks.
The shocks were still stock in this video....so certainly could have been improved.
Hi friend, nice car! I'm going to buy a kit of this tamiya tt02! Do you think it's interesting for me to consider buying the yeah racing upgrade kit for this car? Yeah Racing Red Aluminum Conversion Kit for Tamiya TT02 #CK-TT02RD, this all aluminum yeah racing kit.
I do not suggest buying that.
Moat of those parts just look fancy, but do not actually improve performance.
@@RoadsideRC Hello friend, correct I am new to the hobby, there is some onroad chassis model 1/10 that you indicate good quality, for fun use even nothing professional level..
@@fabricioaraujo6783 I suggest looking at the Redcat on-road vehicles instead of the Tamiya. Maybe even the Traxxas 4-tec. Both are much better than Tamiya.
Thit’s fast👍🏻
Thank you! I think there is the potential for much more speed!
Roadside RC my spelling dam👍🏻
was this standard 17 tooth?
Yep
@@RoadsideRC you ever figure out how to stop the balooning?
you need a spoiler on the 3s fr down force
Good idea!
Thank you.
No. They need stiffer springs to keep the body from contacting the road. Put a spoiler on it, and it becomes much worse.
Put the bigger pinion gear and smaller spur gear you can get that they have it will go a lot faster specially cheaper it will make a difference
Thank you.
Yes, more gearing should help for even more speed. At this time, we couldn't even keep it going straight!
Lol
Amazing Video,thanks for sharing. New sub here ;)Felicidades. Lets stay connected. Peace from Greece
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Hi nice 👍 I’m new to your friends
Thank you!
Ta-mi-ya say it like that
Ha! This seems to continue to be a controversy in the RC community.
Maybe what I will do is ask my Japanese co-workers to pronounce it and video that! Would be funny!
3s with firma spektrum ESC and 3T drag motor with 5200mah 80c lipo and after 65 mph at little over half throttle it spins out or flips. My guess is around 90mph full throttle. Try 3s
Thanks for the thoughts!
Turn your steering servo down it will help controller it
Thank you!
Great! Hello from Russia, let's get to know each other!)
Yes - happy to get to know each other.
what model of tamiya is it?
It is the Tamiya TT-02 Mustang GT4
@@RoadsideRC grazie☺
are you sure that the body is from the original tamiya mustang gt4
@@mogreene6861 Nope! That is a knockoff Supra body I purchased from Amazon. You can search Coolplay Drift body on Amazon and you will find many like it. Very cheap bodies.
Here is a link - looks like it is currently out of stock. However they do have many other styles you can choose from: amzn.to/2QiTfdq
@@RoadsideRC thanck You Very much
Extremely fast what I am I looking at for one of those
I think the kit was around $250.
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Thank you!