What Sleeping Bag Ratings REALLY Mean!
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- What does the temperature rating on your sleeping bag actually mean?? Find out as we explain what to expect from your sleeping bag!
Make sure you know exactly what you're looking at next time you're considering a new sleeping bag. Don't get caught out in the cold with a bag that won't do what you thought it would!
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After countless hours of research I got a 15 deg storm loft quilt and a oblivion pad (many people stated it sleeps warmer than r value) I’m looking forward to testing them in the next couple weeks in low 20’s temps before my PCT thru hike next year
I once slept in a "down" Army surplus bag rated at 35°F for two nights in the Pemi River valley and 13 Falls Shelter in January 1984.
Daytime temperature was 2°. The second night dropped to around -30°.
I was with a buddy in a tiny, vintage, early-1980s Northface 2p, 4-season tent. It was brutal. After that, nothing ever felt "cold" by comparison.
That sounds miserable!
I have a fairly new Kelty 10 degree bag and I freeze at 32 degrees. Your quilt is way better...and I loved Dick Kelty. As a new backpacker at age 13 in Boy Scouts(Troop 439) in the SFV in 1970 I would go in to his shop monthly and get gear or tropical Hershey chocolate and just hang with the cool old guy behind the counter. Still at it at 66, but with a base wait around 9 or 10, in large part due to the folks at Outdoor Vitals. You keep me going. Thank you.
I have an older synthetic 0 degree bag that I took on a late season elk hunt last fall. After the wood stove burned out, I was shivering way too hard to sleep, let alone die peacefully, when the temp dipped down below 10 degrees. Needless to say, we didn't camp the next night when it was going to be well below 0! This really helps now that I'm looking for a quilt to replace the bag with.
Glad to help! Having a warm sleeping bag or quilt is especially important in late season hunts or during the winter!
"We do things a little bit different" , Tayson, that's exactly why I buy from you!
Thanks for your support!
Thanks for the tips and information your company continues to bring to our attention so we can maximize our equipment and outdoor experience.
Our pleasure!
I like your pro tip. All my years hiking that never cross my mind. Great idea!
I love that you are so information/fact/science friendly.
Countless cold nights in the Army sleeping on the ground in just the sleeping bag... never once considered using the foam pad... hindisight 20/20 lol good video and great products!
Big fan of your products. I do a lot and I mean A LOT of research into the gear I purchase. I think this is something many people do not think about when they take a piece of equipment out and end up in a miserable and or dangerous situation because they do not not take the time to find the right piece of equipment and how to use it. Thanks again!!
Thanks, we appreciate it and agree!
Thank you. Very informative.
Thanks for watching! Glad to help.
I need to invest in a new bag and will definitely be checking you guys out.
Thanks for the support! Let us know if you have any questions.
Great tips and info.
Thanks for watching!
i own one of your earlier down sleeping bags, its red and super lofty, i think its a 30 degree bag not sure, but took it out for two nights where it was 34 both nights and i was toasy warm in nothing but my birthday suite. kudos for making a bag that actually reflects the comfort rating. i also like how the bag has baffels not stitched through. oh yea and it was super reasonably priced
Thanks for the feedback.
hope you are right about your ratings! im going out for the first time at this temparature. heading out near Kawartha Highlands in Ontario and its going to b -7 on Saturday night. i have the loftek -15c topquilt and underquilt for my hennessey hammock. Can't wait to see how they perform this cold. worked great all spring and summer though so im pretty confident.
Have a great time out there this weekend!
Great explanation!
I have an OV 30 Degree underquilt that, when properly insulated, operates comfortably down to 30 degrees. Same goes for My REI 30 degree bag, though honestly, I'd say it comfortably handles 20 degrees. I also use an REI 0 Degree bag and have survived comfortably in -25 degrees with it + merino wool base layers. Down insulation is 100% the way to go, but make sure it remains dry & lofted. Great work Tayson!
Thanks and thanks for sharing!
I have survived in my 0 degree bag when the temps are below zero. It is the first thing I unpack so it can maximally loft before use. It needs to stay dry. I also use a thermarest mattress and a closed cell foam pad underneath, it is vital to stay dry, and off the ground, especially in winter.
I have the OV SUMMIT -15. I use it in the Adirondacks and have slept like a baby when it was -13. I'll be attempting to do the Adirondack Winter 46 this winter and i know ill be warm. Amazing bag and amazing company. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the support.
thank you, I enjoy it, you are right, it's not easy to hit the sweet spot with right bag for the particular hike, so many factors, first our bodies react so differently, weather conditions are predictable only to certain extent, especially if we go for a week or longer, where do we camp, what do we sleep on, what do we sleep in, and finally do we want to err on the cold side to carry less or make sure we stay warm but carry a bit more. It's very complex, so it's very important to be aware of all those variables and then empirically, learn thru trail and error what works for us. thank you for educating us, never slept in hammock, need to try one day...
Thanks for watching! Great feedback as well.
I find that your under quilt works exceptionally well as a sleeping bag even surpasses the rating of comfort. Only been cold in it when I stored for longer than I should have.
Glad to hear that you're enjoying your quilt! Those are one of our staff favorites!
would love a video on exactly how to redistribute that bottom down to the top. thx guys.
Noted! Well talk about it in our next meetings!
I have been cold a good bit and always end up using the hot water bottle in the bag to help but then I found out no matter where I put the bottle it just bugs me all night. So I finally bit the bullet and got me a good quilt and ask myself why didn't I do it sooner.
I purchased a Stormloft 30 degree quilt from you guys a while back and used it on a 45 degree night backpacking trip. It didnt work well at all. I had an insulted sleeping pad, and I thought it was the quilt's fault for not keeping myself warm. Little did I know that some sleeping pads from KLYMIT were retested and found to not be insulating AT ALL!
Fast forward to a recent trip, I used that same quilt with a different sleeping pad and it worked flawlessly.
Glad you are enjoying your quilt! An insufficient sleeping pad can really mess up a trip!
Amen. I have all this extra gear on, am above the temp rating and am wondering what’s going on.
That's so frustrating! Hopefully this video helps.
No doubt, you guys rock.
Thanks for the support!
recently bought a Kelty 20 degree bag and even on an insulated pad I was cold at 30. I tried to research it online but could not find anything, but I am guessing it was the survival rating.
I bought an OV rectangular liner just to see if I would like it- don't like getting twisted up in stuff, as I roll around a lot. Didn't think I'd like it- it's very thin. But I've been using it in my cabin and found it isn't too confining, and I could sleep under a light fleece blanket and stay warm in 55-62 temps. So I think it's adding warmth, in spite of the thin material. As for the pad system, I plan on using a wide summit Vluxe air mattress (1.6 insulating factor- almost nothing) and my prolite women's pad (3.9, so the most insulation for least bulk) to give me 5.5, which I'm hoping will be comfortable AND warm. Those two things should extend my REI down bag's 25 degree rating. I hope.
Glad you like your liner!
I getting ready to buy from you but not sure if I want a quilt or sleeping bag. I do both hammock camping and tent camping I have my eye on the 15d quilt but haven’t pulled the trigger because I’ve only owned bags.
If there are any questions we can help answer for you, let us know! The quilts are a great option for shaving off a fair bit of weight in your pack!
I had a 4 season insulated ecoteck with a r value of 4 and a wool blanket underneath. That was with a ubon 32f comfort and 15f degree survival sleeping bag. It was 48f coldest 42f and i froze with a weird cold spot on my leg. Ill admit i do sleep bow legged in the mummy and only had on a poly base layer but still... Im thinking of getting a bag liner and thin foam pad. Does anyone have any good suggestions or advice for someone new to all this? Thanks in advance!
How do you find the rating on old bags? I inherited my Dad's vintage Eddie Bauer super lofty, thick, down bags from the 60's. Wondering of on top of an insulated pad, if I need to slip it into a synthetic bag? I have firefighter forest service synthetic cool weather bag I could use. Or should it be down on the outside?
So I recently purchased a 20 degree summit bag from you guys(have gotten a chance to use it yet), from what your saying it should be "comfortable" around 27-30 degrees?
Thanks for the information. Do you sell quilt straps? I have one of your quilts, which I love, and lost a strap.
Please reach out to support@outdoorvitals.com. We don't regularly sell them separately, but might be able to help you out with an extra.
I have an old 20° Kelty. It 'turns off' at 20. At that point I freeze my jorbels. Over the years as it has gotten packed and dirty (or me getting soft) that rating seems to have gone up in temp. One thing that makes a huge difference is the interior material. A silky material against you is cooler than a microfiber like material.
That would be right Aubrey! Since Kelty is a brand that sells through retail their advertised ratings are "EN Lower Comfort" which means that is probably going to be comfortable at 30-32°F! And yes over time without washing it, it will lose loft and warmth!
It is recommended that we sleep on an insulated pad (I use one of yours) and the “Pro Tip” is to manually redistribute the insulation from the bottom to the top. Why aren’t sleeping bags made with all the loft on the top and a sleeve for the insulated pad on the bottom?
It's good to still have insulation on the bottom of sleeping bags, especially for those that sleeping on their side or roll around at night.
@@TaysonWhittaker Forgive me, but I do not understand your answer. Why is having insulation on the bottom of the bag more important for side sleepers? Also if there was a sleeve on the bottom of the bag to contain the insulated pad it would stay with you as you “roll around”.
Many side sleepers like their bag to move with them, that way the face opening in the hood doesn't cover their face while they're on their side. In that position, the backside of the bag is exposed to surrounding air, and the insulation on the back of the bag will keep the sleeping bag user warm. Having a sleeve on the bottom of all sleeping bags for a pad would prevent those that like their bag to move with them from having that option. The face opening would be over your ear if you were to turn onto your side, and it would be much more difficult to breath.
@@TaysonWhittaker OK, I sort of follow that, but if that situation were in fact a major concern why does the pro tip included in this video recommend moving the insulation from the rear of the bag to the front? If the scenario you outlined were to occur that side sleeper would very poor insulation on his back because a great deal had been move to the front.
Thank goodness I am a side sleeper who does not suffer from this problem.
Thank you for your responses.
@@ROE1300 big Agnes has sleeping bags like this, in fact I own one. I am a side sleeper and find myself cold at times when camping. The sleeve idea is great! But I wish it had a little more insulation all the way around since I roll around and always found myself at the “edge” where the insulation and lack of insulation meet.
First time I went out on an ultralight setup was about 10 years ago. We went on a canoe-camping trip with several portages so I packed the lightest gear I could afford at time. Note that I knew only little about camping gear, when I stubble across that superb McKinley 0 degrees C that was weighting in at only 650g. As a newbie and so excited about the great great price of that sleeping bag, I never took a look to the little sentence under the rating... That is what is written there: "A strong sensation of cold is to be expected. There is a risk of health damage by hypothermia." It went to about 5 degrees C at night near the lake, and I had NO sleeping pad as the MacGyver in me I thought that I would simply use pine tree branches..... WORST night ever let me tell you. I picked up the space blanket I had packed and did put all my cloths on myself for the 4 nights of the trip. 'Cause yeah, we did not gave up the trip hahahah After that terrible night, we did repeat it for 3 consecutive nights. Once we got out of the wood, we did put the heat at maximum in the car and we all slept a good hour in our seats. In the end, I reflect that experience both as my greatest AND my worst camping experience.
I did
I have an older synthetic OV 35° that I've taken down to 20° and slept fine with my layers on. I was on a foam pad with an insulated air mattress on top of that. So I was sleeping on good R value pad when combining the two. This was on my thru-hike of the Ouachita Trail. One of the nights I was in a shelter due to freezing rain. Another group was also there. They set up their tents in the shelter, and had 20° bags. I heard them all night complaining about how cold they were even with every piece of clothing they owned on them.
They were older, so im sure that impacts their body temperature regulation. But I also think they didn't have good sleeping pads, like he says in the video. A good pad makes all the difference!
Impressive! That would be one bag from our past that was even a hair on the fringe of our desired warmth for the rating!
@@TaysonWhittaker that bag is one of the best pieces of kit I own. I use it for nearly every trip, and I think I only paid like $50 for it. I love that bag! Thanks for providing such a stellar product at a damn good price!
Could you do a video and show how you move the down from the bottom to the top?
Great idea! We'll bring that up in our next team meeting.
@@TaysonWhittaker do it!! if u havent already
I was looking at your website the other day. I didn't see any regular length wide sleeping bags. I'm 5'10 but have pretty broad shoulders. Do you make a regular-wide or were they possibly sold out when I looked?
Great question! We only make regular or long-wide sized bags.
I will pay more attention to the temperature rating after this vlog!
After filming this we found out the confusion is even higher than we expected! Perhaps more to come on this topic later!
@@TaysonWhittaker I thought I had a basic understanding but I was wrong not knowing minimum comfort rating!
I bought the OV 1st gen Loftek top quilt (rated at 15 deg). As a warm sleeper, I expected to be toasty in the low 30s. I froze. Fortunately, OV really stands behind their products! I emailed them after getting back from the trip and they offered product credit and mentioned that the rating had to be adjusted to 30 degrees on that version. Still love that top quilt, but I usually stick with 40+ degrees.
Hey, thanks for letting us fix that issue for you! That was one specific situation where we did have to correct it! Hence the reason we no longer sell that exact product / insulation anymore!
I have had the same experience with that same quilt. I just now call it my 30 degree quilt.
@@vol84eng I added the Summit 0 deg down bag with my credit, so the two of them have me covered!
Question -
Looking at the Summit Sleeping bag on your site. I can't find information on how much is compresses down, for the 0 degree and -15 degree bags.
Hi Richard, The Summit pack down to about 12x 8 inches. If you need more info, you can always email Support@Outdoorvitals.com
I have a new Kelty 20 degree bag (down on top, synthetic underneath) snd I slept on a R4 Sea To Summit Comfort Plus Insulated pad. I was cold a fortnight ago when external air dropped to 28F., but I was fine once I put on another layer of clothes. How much clothes are assumed when calculating the degree rating for a bag? Cheers.
From what I understand, the EN ratings and ISO ratings are given using tests in which the mannequin is wearing some clothing, but I'm not quite sure how much. I assume at least a base layer.
I went motorcycle camping last year in late September here in ireland and it went down unexpectedly to 0°c and my bag is comfort of 7°c could I just use a liner to give those extra few deg. To stay warm as you know space is a premium of me. Thanks.
Our sleeping bag liner doesn't really add much warmth to a sleeping bag. It's main purpose is to help you take better care of a sleeping bag by keeping it clean.
Hi, I am really interested in your sleeping bags and I'm looking to purchase one, I live in Calgary Canada, typically sleep cold and 3 season camp lower temperatures ill sleep in is -8 Celsius with an insulated mat . I'm trying to go as light as possible for a 3 season sleeping bag so I'm looking at the Summit 15, should I be looking at the Summit 30?
My current sleeping bag is a Klymit KSB 20 that only ok + I'm tying to loose some pack weight
Typically we find the Summit 15 to be the most versatile for 3 season conditions. It may be a little hot during the summer, but you can unzip the center zipper to help vent your body or legs.
Interesting! I already bought a Outdoor Vitals 30 degree bad for a 4' 8" person so are you saying we can move some fluff more toward the body and gain heat retention? I would think there can bee too much.
You can certainly reallocate down filling to certain parts of the bag. With a decent pad this can add a lot of warmth!
I enjoyed your video are use a quilt but I struggle with is an insulated pad that’s actually warm I am looking for a regular length because I am only 5 foot four but a wide 25 inch at least 3 inches thick because I’m a side sleeper but warm enough to handle four seasons I live in Maine and it gets mighty cold here in the winter but I enjoy camping out in the winter I normally sleep in a hammock but I am training for the Appalachian Trail starting in February so I am looking for that perfect pad to keep me warm if you could help me that would be wonderful
Our current insulated pads are 3 inches thick and have an estimated R value of 4, meaning they'll keep you warm in temperatures down to about 15°F. Here's a link: outdoorvitals.com/collections/sleeping-pads/products/sleeping-pad
@@TaysonWhittaker thanks just checked them out that is what I was looking for but didn’t see regular/wide...I am only 5’4” but would like the 25 in wide but not 78 in long...any chance you have those?
I'm going on a 2 month camping trip in Alaska, and need a sleeping bag and pad to keep me warm in the very cold weather, any recommendations? do you sale any ?
Depending on the time of the year and conditions I would recommend our Summit or Atlas sleeping bag in a -15F or 0F temperature range.
Recently bought a Big Agnes Anvil Horn 30 degree bag....came nowhere near that rating. It’s closer to upper 40s or a 50 degree bag.
Again a great example of the bag being advertised at the "EN Lower Comfort" rating, which means that bag is likely a 42-44 degree comfort bag!
I always have the reverse problem - too hot. Even though I use my mummy bag more as a blanket and strip down to my underwear at 30 degrees.
have been frezing most of my life,,, then i put one bag in another...oh baby.
That's a good way to improve the temperature rating haha!
I started doing that last winter. Huge improvement. I turned a cheap, secondhand down summer mummy bag into a quilt and combined that with a summer quilt. I made the bag hoodie into a detached down hood.
This year, I bought a 0° down quilt. I will put the summer quilt inside of it. I sleep cold. I figure that will work down to -10 or -15.
I have to say, a fleece blanket/bag as an inner core is very helpful, but I have not found one long enough. Heavy? Yes. Worth it (if it fit better)? Yes.
I live In The South.. Dont Really Get Much Really Cold Weather.. Cold Nights Are Work Nights.. Soo I Miss Them...
So what is the -15F Summit Down Sleeping Bag temperature rating? Is -15F a survival limit, lower comfort limit, or comfort limit? Thanks!
It's a lower comfort rating! Most people should be comfortable down to -5ºF, and some people will even be comfortable enough in temps down to -15ºF.
@@TaysonWhittaker Thank you for the quick reply! I know there're other factors that could affect 'a good night sleep' rating. Good to know that's is the lower comfort rating!
Actually, it's your own body that creates the warmth(unless added external sources)
.. the loft just holds it, surrounding you longer. Please correct me if I'm wrong
But yea, there's times I've frozen my butt but there's times I've thought omg this bags to hot. I'm actually looking for a new winter bag. I've apparently miss-placed my really good down one, ugh, not cheap to replace in Canada.
Absolutely correct! The loft creates / traps small air pockets that insulate. All of the warmth is coming from your own body heat!
Please do a video on how to get out of of your warm pieces of gear on cold mornings. 😂
Deal!
Hey, I got your -15f limited edition bag last December. The coldest I've been able to test it at so far were around 15-20f, but in those temperatures, I slept naked in it comfortably.
However, it does leak quite a bit of down, and has been ever since I received it. It looks like a lot, as there are always downs and feathers all over my clothes when i get out of it; however, I know that downs are absolutely massive in volume so even the large amounts I see coming out will probably never add up to something that makes a difference in terms of insulation. I was wondering though just how much leakage is normal and if perhaps my bag has defective seams of some sort. And is there some way to seal it up? Really happy with it otherwise, it's comfortable and warm as hell.
Seams can become compromised if you put it away with the hood into the stuff sack first. Stuffing the footbox into the stuff sack first is best, so that as you compress the bag and put it away, the air has some place to naturally escape without being forced through the seams. Is there a chance you've put it away in a hurry with the hood in the stuff sack first?
@@TaysonWhittaker Thanks for replying! I don't use the stuff sack at all when I can help it. I usually just put it loosely on top in my pack or in a larger trash bag so it's not too compacted. I've put in the stuff sack for transport on a plane maybe twice since I bought it. I can't vouch exactly how I stuffed it in, but intuitively, I'm pretty sure I'd put it in feet first, as that's the narrowest part. But the leakage was there out of the box, I noticed it when I tested the bag indoors after receiving it. I asked about it on your website through the live chat, maybe you have records, but your colleague said that some amount leakage is normal with new bags and that it might decrease, so I decided to keep using the bag and see what happened. I've only been able to use it rarely this year so I wanted to wait until I really used it a couple times to see if it gets better or worse, but so far, it's remained pretty much constant from the way it was out of the box, so I don't think it has anything to do with how I stuff it. Your colleague also told me that there are washing products available that supposedly help seal up seams, but I'm quite suspect of the idea of washing my down bag, so I wanted to wait for a while and get a second opinion on this, which I guess is what I'm doing now lol.
Thanks for the additional info. Sounds like there may be something worth looking at! Would you be able to reach out again to our support team and send pictures? We should be able to also find our previous conversation and compare what's going on and make the best plan of action for this situation!
@@TaysonWhittaker Sure, I'll send them an email. Thank you!
So have all of your temp ratings been a lower comfort level since your company started ?
It has been a goal of ours since the beginning, but the first couple years likely this wasn't as accurate as we hold ourselves to now! In other words, bags purchased in years 2014-2016 might be not as conservatively rated. After that, we got more and more accurate!
Are those ratings based on you sleeping in the bag naked or sleeping with clothes/base layers?
I've slept in my ov quilt at its rating no problem
Thanks for sharing.
If you can find on online store always look for the 3 different ratings. A 0 degree bag says it’s comfort rating is 32 degrees. YIKES
I think everyone should freeze their ass off at least once.
I was camping and had a bag rated for 0°, so for a 0° bag to be comfortable it would have to be like 35°, the temperature got down to 13° probably lower if you count wind chill, to make it worse my zipper broke, and I was camping in the open.
After I lost all feeling below the knee I decided to make a massive fire and thaw out till morning.
The next night was 17° and I borrowed everyones jackets to wrap around my feet and it was still a cold miserable night.
Now I carry a 20lb custom bedroll, its 2 sleeping bags and a comforter in a giant zip up canvas outer layer that acts as a wind and water shield.
Depending on the temperature I get into the appropriate layer.
I bought a sleeping bag (woman fitting) 20F comfort. Have a 5 R pad and is freezing like h*** when it's only 41F outside.
when I first got into it I bought all eno stuff.... well... I froze and hated it!
If you're buying a bag in a shop or online they should show all 3 ratings to give you a better idea. If they don't then don't buy that bag or from that company. It's simple as there is some missing information.
We agree, you should always know exactly what the rating advertised really means! If they won't or can't tell you, walk away!
@@TaysonWhittaker I know a few companies in Europe advertise the lower limit or even extreme rating in their descriptions. So you need to go into the full description to see the comfort limits. But a majority still use the upper comfort in the main description.
Pro tip: Get a quilt.
Are they really warmer than a bag?
Tami, not warmer, but lighter yes! Many of us in the office use quilts and love them! To each their own though!
@@tamiboelter2833 Only if you add one over the bag you're already using.☺
Tami it really depends. In my experience one can get a quilt/pad setup that is quite a bit warmer than equal weight in bag/pad. Same warmth would actually be less weight though. As the video and practical experience have shown, the insulation on the bottom of a bag is compressed; essentially dead weight.
There shouldn’t be but one rating, comfort rating. But I sleep so hot I can use a 30 degree quilt in 20 degree weather.
Uh, what?
I have not had that experience, that is why I'm watching. I do not want to find our on Blood Mountain in March /April......brrrrrrrrr.
Hope you have a successful and fun trip!
I froze in my house on a bed in a Wenger 0° bag in 30° temp when testing my bag
That's terrible!
Are you going to be carrying the -15 bags again?
Yes actually! We will have a limited amount available this winter. Some may even become available within the next few weeks.
There are so many factors. What are you sleeping on? Or in? A better rated R value pad makes a huge difference. Moisture also makes a huge difference. Beyond the pad the easiest thing to do to make a sleeping bag warmer is throwing a Nalgene bottle of hot water in the foot of the bag. Think of the people who sleep in a sleeping bag in a hammock, they are going to get cold even in a lower temp rated sleeping bag. If you are smart with a under quilt and top quilt, you can stay warm in a much higher temp rated system.
Bottom line.. You can't fix stupid.
My sleeping bag has "comfort" rated at 4°C, "comfort limit" at -1°C, and "sleep limit" at -17°C. It's a good sleeping bag in general, however I do not understand what the difference between "comfort" and "comfort limit" is supposed to be?? Realistically, anything below the comfort level of 4°C... forget about it. Even with a hot water bottle, it was just barely manageable once it got to the freezing point. I'm not sure what type of human being could possibly sleep in this thing down to -17°C, but I heavily doubt these ratings are accurate. I have a 4" thick insulated sleeping mat, and a decent 3 season tent too. I guess there are other factors that contribute to warmth and comfort than just the down material. There's probably a reason why some sleeping bags are rated at a comfort limit of 0°C, yet are up to 3-4 times more expensive than other sleeping bags with the exact same temperature rating.
Sounds like the "comfort limit" is what I talk about as being a "lower comfort rating" in this video, and the "sleep limit" would be the "survival rating" I mention. Calling it a sleep rating seems inaccurate because I don't think anyone could really sleep very well at temperatures of a survival rating on a bag!
@@TaysonWhittaker Apologies, it actually says "extreme" and not "sleep limit", which makes more sense. I got this mixed up because the bag also has a "Rab sleep limit" at 1°C LMAO. I really wonder why they give it 4 different ratings named comfort, comfort limit, Rab (name of manufacturer) sleep limit, and extreme. A limit to which you can sleep warm and cosy, and a limit to which you need to get your stuff packed and get going would be sufficient. I just ordered a sleeping bag liner (silk) and will see if it really adds to the comfort as they claim, or if it only keeps the sleeping bag clean, which would be fine with me as well...
Comfort rating = female
Lower Comfort rating = male
That's what I've always thought.
Definitely depends on the person but most men will have a warmer sleep rating than men.
Why don't you and other manf. Tell the truth. You guarantee the bag to a certain temp if the purchaser spends another $200 (approximately) for a insulated pad. Plus the weight will only work if you carry a heavy pad
You need an insulated pad for any sleeping bag made by any brand to hold up to its temperature rating. And also it's not true that a pad needs to be heavy. There are many lightweight or ultralight insulated pads on the market!
@@TaysonWhittaker where i said you and other manf. This is like buying a new truck and it not coming with wheels or tires unless i pay extra.
The weight of the pads not a real issue but price is. What "R" rating must i have to get your bag to operate at the given temp.
I know all of you bag makers do the same but that doesn't make it right, it makes you salesmen and POLITICIANs.
@@vietadvisor6781 Bro, what you are saying is absurd. A pad is required if you are sleeping on cold ground, it has nothing to do with the bag. There is no possible bag design that could change this. If you happen to sleep in a hut on a mattress or in some kind of shelter on leaves, you might not need a pad. The bag manufacturer has absolutely no influence over this.
Let me fix your truck analogy: You are buying a new truck and complain to the salesman that you need to continuously buy gasoline to keep it running. This is not something the car salesman should have to tell you, it is just an integral part of how you use a car. Should the bag manufacturer also inform you of the fact that you need a tent if it's raining?
@@SpaghettiToaster sorry but i have been backpacking/camping, section hiking the AT, military "camping" prior to Vietnam and after and never had a pad. The only item we had was a ground cloth and I thought it was great when I got a mummy bag. I am not saying a pad is bag or not nice to have, I am talking about the manf telling me I will be comfortable down to a certain temp but.... What if the pad I purchase doesn't have a high enough R rating or I am in dangerously cold and my pad develops a leak? I feel it should be stated on the lable the temp can work only if I supply a pad with a certain R rating or better.
But, I have been sleeping on the ground for over 60 years without a pad.
@@vietadvisor6781 If you have been sleeping on the ground for 60 years without a pad, then you don't need a pad, what's your problem? Again, pads and bags are completely unrelated components. Bags keep you insulated from the surrounding air, pads from the ground. The manufacturer of one component of your sleep system has no way of telling you what other components you might need to be comfortable. Military bags are no different from any others: If you compress the insulation, it doesn't work. That's just physics. It's air that keeps you insulated, not the materials inside the bag. Those are just there to trap the air. If the material is compressed, there's no air. If your blanket is enough for you, that's fine, if you're sleeping on frozen ground, bring an appropriate pad. But it makes no sense to ask the bag manufacturer to figure this out for you. "What if the pad I purchase doesn't have a high enough R rating or I am in dangerously cold and my pad develops a leak?" What if you're sleeping on sharp sticks and puncture the bag? What if you're camping without a tent and it starts raining and the down gets wet? What if you camp in enemy territory and get shot at? None of these are concerns of the bag manufacturer, they're just things you have to research and figure out before you go camping.
Beside this point, virtually all manufacturers or resellers of sleeping bags actually DO also sell other components of the sleep system and will have ample information available on what you need in which conditions, OV included.
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