Fluent Japanese Speaker Reacts to 800 Days of Duolingo Why I'm Quitting the Japanese Duolingo Course
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Hi guys, I was going to make a video on Duolingo where I would go through and test out the website myself, however after doing this I realised that I probably wouldn't get a good perspective as a lot of the content is locked behind progress walls and you have to go through a tonne of content to get near the higher tiers. I couldn't really be bothered with all this effort so the video I did record only has my opinions on the lower levels and I will be uploading this soon onto Patreon for the $3 tier if you are interested in seeing that.
However, in this video, we will be taking a look at a video made by Livakivi (original video link below, go subscribe to him!), which is someone who has actually completed the Japanese course and has spent a total of 800 days doing Duolingo to learn Japanese. I will be taking a look at his thoughts and also give my thoughts on what I think about Duolingo for learning Japanese as well.
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
02:02 - Should You Use Duolingo to Learn Japanese?
03:53 - What Does the Duolingo Japanese Course Cover?
05:35 - Why You Should Use Other Material While Using Duolingo
08:21 - Why You Can't Become Fluent from Duolingo or Textbooks
10:20 - Why I Don't Recommend Studying Grammar as a Beginner
12:49 - Thoughts on Duolingo's Lesson Layouts and Content
20:38 - How You Should Actually Learn a Language
23:24 - How to Learn Japanese After Using Duolingo
26:31 - Duolingo Becomes Less Efficient as You Progress
29:14 - How I Started Learning Japanese and My Recommendations
I never thought that a video I'd make would have people make reaction videos to it haha, but it was a really nice and interesting watch!
One thing I'd like to mention is that I think that it's okay to learn a little bit of grammar after the first few weeks to get you started, such as the past forms, conditional forms and so on. Personally I read through the Tae Kim's textbook to be at least aware of the grammar, but never forced myself to memorize them. That way, I was at least able to recognize the grammar in the wild, and refer back to the book whenever I wanted to understand them a bit better. This helped speed up the acquisition of those grammar points, whilst having only spent a very small amount of hours compared to the whole on directly learning grammar. Past that, I haven't really learned any grammar directly, but all through getting input, just like you said!
Yeah that's definitely the better way to go about grammar, prime your brain to notice it but don't waste a huge amount of time on studying it like you would in classes. Love your content man, it's really good stuff! :D
@@BritVsJapan Thanks! Very glad to hear! Keep up what you're doing as well
I’m so glad you’re back man
Same
Thanks for the video, Matt. These kinds of things are always nice motivational boosters, even if it's just hearing you pretty much talk about the basics of immersion. Makes me feel like I'm on track still. Cheers
I've been using Duolingo for a little over a month and didn't even realize that the voices were synthetic. I might just keep using Duolingo until I'm finished learning hiragana and katakana, then focus more on anki decks to memorize some kanji and vocabulary.
Glad you are back! Hope you are doing well! :)
Yay! Welcome back!
Your magnificent eyebrows are the highlight of this video
So glad you’re back, are you able to provide your routine when you were doing learning intensively?im going to do it for a European language! Thanks mate
The return of the king
The "Stories" are read by voice actors, and are quite fun (the plot twists have their own memes). But those exist only for certain language pairs (not language pears, and certainly no language bears).
One of my main issues is with the reading of Kanji. Like the audio output in sentence is one way, but below the Kanji it says another thing. Which one is right, the audio or the furigana? Similarly, they present audio and have you pick the reading, but there is no match (like audio "nana" but the reading presented is "しち")
hey! do you have any sources on not learning grammar early on? is it from your own experience with Japanese, or are there possibly studies on it regarding various languages?
the concept baffles me, as classic school/language-learning I experienced has always been very grammar based and I couldn't imagine "becoming fluent" from just listening, without a systematic grasp of grammar
Check out Dr Stephen Krashen's research as a starting point, all his research is freely available online and he's got a few good videos explaining the language acquisition process and how most schools are "teaching about language" and not teaching in a way that allows you to "acquire language". But yes after reading his research I followed through with learning via input and haven't learned grammar in the conventional sense and my Japanese is at a fluent level.
I don't actually study Japanese (but I think I will within the next 5-6 years) but I really like your channel. My main language is French but a lot of the stuff you and others talk about is largely transferrable, SO from Ireland :) 🇮🇪
Thanks! :D
Learning kanji with pair matching was dreadful. I presume I was using the older duolingo mentioned herein, but in either case, trying to learn the keywords without a basis in the constituent radicals was no bueno.
Do you have a link to the Anki deck recommended in the video (the core 2k (/6k) one? Or perhaps the exact title of it or something? I can’t seem to find it
Honestly i just wanted to challenge myself to learn at least some parts of a difficult language so would duolingo work for that?
As someone who’s been using Duolingo for almost 50 days on Japanese, here are some of the issues that I have with it.
1. It IMMEDIATELY starts with kanji and while I’m not opposed to starting off early, I also think that if you don’t even know the hiragana and katakana, I don’t think you should be exposed to kanji yet.
2. I doesn’t tell why things are the way they are. For example, watashi mo, it doesn’t explain why the word means what it means. It just tells us this and leaves it at that when understanding WHY it is that way makes it easier to understand.
3. The whole point system of Duolingo where you can get points from the lessons. It doesn’t mean you’re learning the language, it just means you’re rushing through the lesson only remembering what is shown feather than UNDERSTANDING it.
4. Finally one of my biggest issues o have with it is how it “teaches” you. I write down all the tips on a notebook just to remember some of the advice that it gives me. Now, let’s use a car for example….
Duolingo’s tips basically show the inside of a car with its seats, steering wheel, seat belts etc. Then you get to test yourself where uses examples of what’s in the car……under the hood.
It would be like a teacher teaching PEMDAS but only teaching addition and subtraction all the while adding EVERYTHING that comes with it. Then when you go to tell the teacher that you don’t know this the teacher says “YOU FIGURE IT OUT.”
I like this type of content. goioooood
Howdy, could you put your second channel in your 'channels' tab? My app kinda freaks out when clicking on CZcams links.
It should appear now! :)
@@BritVsJapan Alright, thanks 👍
I'm also not a big fan of grammar, but how do you define basic fluency? like is it better to just learn 2000 kanji+ related vocab words first and only then start learning grammar ( if needed) or its something else?
I'd go with getting the first most common 2000 kanji under your belt and then use Anki to make sentence flashcards, all while getting a lot of listening and reading. I've got other videos on the channel that go into it all but I'll make an overview video at some point.
@@BritVsJapan sounds like a plan. Ty, il focus on learning 2000 kanji first and then will just switch to yomichan+anki combo for anime with Japanese subtitles then ( animelon)
Can you make a video about going through the process of reading at an early stage level? My concern with reading is that you may not know how to correct pronounce a word or sentence because you aren’t getting to hear how it is actually said or read in Japanese.
Talking about Migaku, you could also use the Migaku browser plugin to pratice reading subtitles on Netflix or CZcams. So one way you could do that is: Mute your audio using a key on your keyboard or a set hotkey, try to read the subtitle line and after that unmute your audio and play the line again.
Check the above comments, they are great solutions to this, just don't say them out loud in the early stages and you'll be fine. Migaku wasn't a thing when I was around so most of my early reading was content that also had audio that followed it as well so I could refer to that if needed, i.e. Anime/TV/CZcams with JAPANESE subtitles or even audiobooks with both text and audio although most of the time these are hard in terms of content.
@@BritVsJapan I am currently doing the 10,000 sentences deck so I practice reading, listening and speaking with this deck because I need to learn to speak as fast as possible because I am already living in Japan. I feel that anything with the spoken audio by a native speaker works best for me along with immersion.
@@bobfranklin2572 Thank you 🙏🏽
@@bartbabbe Thank you 🙏🏽
I,m learing arabic on duolingo and here are some problems i found:
1 For this language the duolingo cousre is small also it,s one of the HARDEST languagues so
it,s not enough to be fluent .
2 In duo we have a thing that we have only on mobile, that help you learn the alphabet but there,s only on the phone so you have mandatory to use on the phone too! even if they can oblisoly do it on the computer!!
and acutully everything else will help u learn a new language.
WhaT aRe yUo TalKing aBout? I learneD En-Glish UsinG Text To sPeaK, anD I aM TO-Tally flUenT.
for hiragana and katakana in my experience,that kana quiz together with duolingo is better than anki
Yo, I'm currently live on twitch.tv/britvsjapan when this video goes live! I'll be here on CZcams to answer your questions too, but come say hi in the stream if you want to your questions answered in more detail! :)
You can do a placement test on Duolingo to see where you are. I did it with my native language and got it to 77% cleared.
Your native language must hard as hell
Whats your native language?
Dame looking skinny bro
Okay, so I'll save you guys 32 minutes, if already doing sentence mining and AJATT/Refold stuff.
NO.
Else, MAYBE.
Are you gay, you're really cute! :)
duolingo just a waste of time
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