Well it is written in the books that when halaena threw herself to her death dreamfyre suddenly rose with a roar that shook the dragon pit n snapped two of her chains.
Oh that’s the same window she was thrown from!!! That’s why she cried as a baby- she sensed it then, and she dreamt it later- great eyes to notice that!
this has been noticed since day one, altshift X has live streams and ppl pointed this connection out right when the ep came out. you can check out his vids if you're into tid bits like this.
@@hueyhampton3213 i think something will be definitely changed if not that someone else did it to her maybe the reason will be slightly different why she did that. So far she mourning her son loss but not to the point of despair portrayed in the book. So my guess is that eventually maybe she will go mad because of visions/dreams that she cannot escape. It would be somewhat similar to Alia Atreides from Dune.
heleana and her dragon shared a similar role, brood mares. Heirs for Aegon and dragon eggs for Targaryen’s. Both forced to stay within the keep and dragon pit until their deaths
Dreamfyre was princess Rhaena's mount before she was Helaena. Rhaena was their.. great aunt? if Jaehaerys was Aegon, Alysanne was Rhaenys then Rhaena would have been Visenya. Rhaena was the rightful heir to the throne but she's sick of it and gave it to Jaehaerys instead. So anyway, Rhaena was very much like Helaena when she was a kid but upon bonding with Dreamfyre she entered her Visenya era, which I wondered why Helaena is still so meek after bonding. Is it because she's predominantly raised by non-Targaryens? Targaryen by themselves are pretty cool with women, as no matter the gender, they can still ride dragons (like Targs women pre-Dance are badass as hell). It's only after merging with Westerosi culture that they started being misogynistic. I wonder if that's how Helaena never reached her full potential as a dragonrider like say, Rhaenyra, Rhaenys or Laena.
Why no one has realized that Helena is a dragon dreamer yet is mind blowing! I know most of her family ignores her but I at least expected Alicent to catch on since besides her kids, she's the one who spends the most time with her. I'm team black but Helena is such a sweet soul & she doesn't deserve to be tied up in the dance 😔
I think alicent doesn't give any respect for targaryen lore or traditions. She called the dragons beast and thinks incest repulsive but only tolerates it for her kids because it strengthens their claims of being better options for the realm.
Who? The only person close to her with enough knoweldge on Targaryen lore didnt give a damn about his kids with Alicent, and Alicent and Otto are not from a family that has dragon dreams so it makes sense that they would not recognice the signs.
Ironically, we really could use some more screen time for the various dragons. I want to see Dreamfyre, Helenae at the wheel, or not. Same for Tessarion, Grey Ghost, Silverwing, and Cannibal.
I hope they do cannibal at Corly's funeral scene, I really do. Best chance we'll get to see him. but since they made him black maybe they'll avoid making the black dude a metaphorical cannibal cuz that raciiiisssst. maybe we'll see canibal somewhere else, he should be monstrously huge.
some of those dragons i expect we won’t likely see until far later in the show-either near the end of this season, or the introduction to the next, especially the cannibal. i’m curious if we’ll end up seeing sheapstealer, too. edit: we likely won’t see grey ghost, either, unless serving as an introduction to the cannibal, since grey ghost was never claimed.
Oh shit… that would have been the _perfect_ way to at least give us *one* scene.. Now I think we probably won’t see any Helaena + dragon scenes. Bummer.
i just assumed during the funeral she was picking up on the emotions or even futures of those people surrounding her and it was too much because later she tells her mother and she grieves for and misses her son but then says but i dont know if i should because of all those other mothers who will miss their sons feeling like she doesnt have the right to have a pain stronger than the people's pain but yeah her body language was screaming dragon it would have been better had they just let her grieve in peace or in the presence of her dragon. btw that scene where sunfyre greets aegon before flying off to battle was so suprisingly wholesome and joyful that was the first time we saw real happiness, joy, and connection for aegon with anyone.
It will be very disappointing if we don’t see Helaena on dragon back. I don’t think she’s in battle at all- but how could House of The Dragon forfeit some opportunity to show it at least once…?
According to the books, Helaena never rides her dragon after the death of Prince Jaehaerys. (More like she was incapable of riding because of her devastated mental state) So, I think, we probably gonna be disappointed 🥲
@@pranjeetmusic8891but the thing is… they’ve sort of done away with her mental breakdown, she whispered at the beginning of episode one “they only one” it’s too quiet to hear in English but it was louder in the Spanish dub, she knew her son would die, dosen’t make it any less heartbreaking but still.
@@Jrr592 okay, that might be so. but my point is there is no event from this point of the story till her death, where she’d go flying with her dragon. she is not a battlefield woman. but I’d be surprised and ecstatic to see her on a dragon. i really like the way they’ve portrayed her in the show.
Phia does such a good job as our precious girl 🥺 Edit: man I forgot Aegon saying “I want my mother” these kids never wanted any part of Alicent or Otto’s plans and just wanted/needed their parents love. It’s really sad
Great video! What Phia Saban has done with this character on the show is in terms of breathing life into her, is worthy of it's own show and a sign the showrunners should breathe a little extra life into her beyond her arc in the book. She was always a favorite on the written page, but felt wasted and even more so a favorite now with Saban's beautiful performance - I'd hate to see her wasted yet again on screen.
I mean... she could have just flew away to Dragonstone with her children and their dragons in tow, and no one in KL would've been able to stop her from leaving to be with her sister.
arryk could have had some more sense as well. It's not like Aegeon being shit was a secret or surprise to anyone. but plot go brrr, and neither Helena or Arryk seem to have much agency, they just do what they are told. Ppl like that do exist.
Rhaenyra and her are never shown to have a close relationship. Helaena loves her mother and brothers why would she just leave. Who is to say Daemon would have treated her well?
@@Trissogynistit has been discussed in the books that they are close and we could also assume they’d have a somewhat close relationship being the only two female children in the family I do believe in 🩸 and 🧀 or the episode after rhae mentioned halaena and how she’s an innocent in all of this
This is one of the best videos I have listened to with such detail and insights. Bless the creator for having put in research and time into developing and narrating it !
13:09 I don’t think she has a fear of heights to an extent that she wouldn’t ride Dreamfyre, and refuse contact with her. The bond between rider and dragon is so magical and in despite the blood and nightmares - pure, that it seems impossible that the sweet and sensitive Halaena (whom we know to love all living beings, especially winged creatures) would refuse to bond with the beast. I think she didn’t attend the lessons in the pit due to everyone around her knowing she was different, especially Alicent. Perhaps she bonded with Dreamfyre and rode her on her own terms - by pure sensitivity and intuition.
Helaena doesn't seem to have an interest in dragons or battles. I'm sure the character may be portrayed differently in the books. Helaena's an introvert with a sweet nature. Shame she was born to Alicent.
I can understand that she's not meant for war but as she's being portrayed as a "dragon dreamer" it'd have been nice to see her interact with her dragon, even just to fly or be with her or anything. I want more fantasy from this fantasy show!
Actually this is exactly why she is so deeply connected with Dreamfyre. The dragoness has been mentioned to be rather docile and void of any intent to battle. In the show and within the books we see Heleana’s odd behavior towards other humans which in turn makes her connection with her dragoness so strong.
Fey, so far I am loving your content. I am new to your channel, but loving it. I am disappointed though that we don't see the second most powerful person that much. As Queen, Helaena deserves more screen time. And as a very important dragon, Dreamfyre needs more time too. I am finding it odd these two don't get enough screen time.
Honestly it's about time man, I need to see another side of her where instead of fearing her dreams she embraces them and tries to go head on to them where she starts to putting things together over just saying them out loud btw which at this point they need to stop thinking she's nutz and start respecting her power anyways I could say a whole lot more but let me not let's just hope we see a dreamfyre vs moondancer at this just watching her mount dreamfyre would be enough to make me smile😊
I still just can't wrap my head around how ALL OF THESE DETAILS of every single family in these books all came from George Martin's mind!! It just keeps going and going, deeper and deeper into the details of... all of these Targaryen family members!! All the way back to the Great Great Great fathers and brothers and cousins.. it's all intertwined. Brilliance..sheer brilliance! Way to go George Double-R!
SOLid theory., But I think the beast beneath the boards is Larys Strong. Check out the carving at the top of his walking stick in season 1 (foot fetish scene w/ Alicent ). The persistent wood bug eating its way up through the floorboards
@@FeyFire TY, also good content. Although I'm not convinced Larys is a green seer, he just might have a strong network of spies. Regardless, he appears at key moments to guide the narrative with knowledge from mysterious sources. Also, Helaena is a watcher. She has a very narrow emotional range (almost vacant, ) . I don't see her jumping a dragon and becoming a player., but I do see her a step ahead Larys due to her predictive powers , whatever its source. I must admit , I stopped following your stuff after "Raised by Wolves" was cut .. but I'm back. fyi ~ Nice to see Abubakar Salim land a role in H. o D. season 2 .
@@jeffsully4569 glad to have you back! And yes, it is wonderful to see Father back on screen, I am really looking forward to watching his character develop. Mother (Amanda Collin) will be in HotD as well! Thanks for watching!
@@jeffsully4569 her saying shes scared of the rats and then a rat catcher killing her son seems like a red herring to me, I bet Larry's can warg into rats, it would be so cool if he was the "rat king" and also the beast beneath the boards, Rats running around over hearing conversations is how I guess he gets his info.
“beware the beast beneath the boards” to me also meant the precipice they all stood on regarding what was about to happen: aegon becoming king - or, more broadly, aegon becoming king which deeply angered the targaryen side of the family, and thus, let loose the “beast” (of war) (but also of the targaryens, which symbolized “the dragon”, or rather, the beast). i like to think it was a double meaning: beware aegon (for he is a beast), and beware the horrors that him becoming king will unleash.
I like someone else's feeling on the flower petals coming down that she was envisioning the ash coming down when Dany burned kings landing. Also, she may have been panicking that a dragon could burn them.
she looked away during the coronation but when Maelys comes up she stares at her or Rhaenys idk but Aegon cowered around his mom but Hela stands like a stonewall staring them down almost...
I haven't read the books so I could be wrong (even though I have read most of the spoilers regarding the dance of the dragons), but I feel that since the show is not strictly following the books, they're going to add a twist to Helena's death. I think that they're still going to make her die by falling from the window, but perhaps because someone is going to push her, that being Aemond imo. Since he's basically controlling the way the greens fight the war now that Aegon is injured, he will try to gain more fighting force (and another dragon could surely be very useful), even if it means sacrificing his own sister. This way Dreamfyre will be free from her bond and will have the possibility to be claimed by someone else, maybe a dragonseed or someone close to the greens
During the funeral procession it wasn't confetti the common folk were throwing at Alicent and Helena it was hopps ake the active ingredient in beer and Arick and Erik joined the kings guard at 8 and 10 meaning 18 years old . The kings guard doesn't take children.
Daeron was mentioned in S02 episode 2 so he will appear. Just not yet. They mentioned in the show " like the books" that he's in old town so we WILL get to see him! Yay.
Drogon went to the pit because he smelled the blood, not to save Dany. At least as it’s written in the book, he only flew there attracted to the smell. Aegon and Sunfyre are the only ones who have a bond that strong- it was written when Aegon was nearly killed, sunfyre flew across Westeros with one wing broken to save him with an almost telepathic knowing of not only his emotion, like most bonds, but location as well.. and their bond is the only one with whole pages dedicated to it. Also Viserys couldn’t claim another dragon if he wanted to. A person can only bond with one dragon in their life. A dragon can have multiple riders during their life, but not the other way around
She would have to have the dreams before the bond, because she had the closing one eye prophesy before claiming Dreamfyre. (I think. 🤔 Unless Aemond didnt know that she'd already bonded with her before his attempt.) Other than that, I think this is all very plausible and an enjoyable theory. 😊
As for who was mother of Dremafyre - Meraxes or Vhagar - both things are equally possible, as dragons egg apparently don't have 'time expiration date'. Meraxes could lay fertillized eggs years before her death.
We do not have any information on how long an egg must incubate before hatching. Illyrio states that the long years had turned the eggs to stone. Dany's eggs were a miracle, an exception to the rule, otherwise many people would have hatched eggs over the years. Meraxes died at least 25-30 years prior to Dreamfyre hatching, so I just don't see her coming from a very old egg. Visenya struggled to get pregnant, which is why there are rumors of magical intervention to get pregnant with Maegor. Perhaps similar to what is pictured in the tapestries. But even when Laena was her rider, who had given birth to twins, Vhagar was not recorded as laying eggs, though Syrax was. Vhagar is a warrior dragon, like her riders are warriors. Not a mother dragon, like Dreamfyre. And Balerion. Lol
@@FeyFire Viseyna did not 'struggle' - people were whispering she is infertile, but her not becoming pregnant could be result of Aegon not sleeping with her, or - more likely - it was result of Aegon's having fertility problems himself. Queen Rhaenys also gave birth to only one child, and people were even talking that Aenys might not be even Aegon's. Anyway, Visenya having only one son is not indicator of Vhagar having problems. Dragons are connected to riders, but they are separate beings. Sinc Vhagar was considered female, that suggest she did lay eggs, at least one time in her life. 'Vhagar is a warrior dragon, like her riders are warriors. Not a mother dragon' - Those things are not exclusive. All signs on Earrtth and water suggest she had to have clutch. Balerion was viewed as male - he NEVER laid any egg.
@@FeyFire We also have to remember there are many dragons who are not mentioned. Fore example the last named dragon after Dance is Morning, BUT we do know there were other dragons who hatched too - like Last Dragoness who is not known to have rider, but we know she existed. Perhaps Dreamfyre is not daughter of Belarion/Meraxes or Belarion/Vhagar, but instead their GRAND daughter via some unnamed dragons born of them.
Honestly, playing with genders roles and make Balerion the black dread a mother dragon would be great, same for Drogon, a black dragon is not a masculine or virilist stand point, and their dragons riders being infertile while the black dragon lay eggs is a beautiful picture I think
@@Lagermination It's not a point. There are animals in real world that changes from female to male (some fishes) or that are solely female and produce offspring without partner (some reptiles). It would be inetersting to have stories that Balerion mates with Meraxes and one time it is Meraxes who lays eggs, and next time it is Balerion. But there is NOTHING in source material that would indicate that Balerion ever was consider to be female or laid eggs. And there is asbolutely nothing that would indicate Vhagar was infertile. This theory is blatant misunderstanding and misquoting dragon biology.
Straight answer : NO Not in the book and not in the show. Both Helaena and Dreamfyre, despite having unique personality & rich backstory, their energy just doesn't sync with the current situation & main conflict of the story. Such a wasted potential because Helaena is a possible fan favorite & Dreamfyre is a century years old beautiful beast BUT they have the least screentimes & minimal storylines
You will hate it more when you learn that it was, at first expected to see Dreamfyre and Sunfyre taking off before Vhagar did in the scene of Laena's funeral at Driftmark. They then consider that to be too expensive, and cut it down to just Vhagar taking off.
Cassandra, according to the myth, was first given the gift of prophecy as she was a priestess at Apollo's temple. When the god came around to claim his right to do whatever he wanted with her, she refused and Apollo cursed her to always speak but never to be heard
I also have to "suppress my draconic instincts" from time to time :) RAWR!!! Another great vidya. I'm still curious, if not a bit concerned, about how they're going to handle dragons/dragon-bonding in the show. They seem to be changing the rules a bit, but we shall see. Great catch with the window and her "fear of heights" motif. It would explain why she wouldn't want to fly a dragon, or spend much time in or around "Hightowers" either. Check out @EldricStoneskins latest vid. It's all about the Seerers/Dreamers falling out of towers in order to gain their prophetic sight. Egg-laying, "Mama Balerion" is now my new head canon \m/
Thanks Karl! I also wanted to add in that we often see Helaena crouched on the floor, which I believe is an intentional nod to her fear of heights as well. It didn't make it into the video but worth mentioning! I will definitely check out his video - one of my favorite channels! #MamaBalerion 🔥🥚 #FireAndEggs
@@FeyFire The Gods are watching, as soon as I finished your vid, there was a comment from @Eldricstoneskin waiting for me, so I mentioned your vid to him. LOL! Great minds think alike. The falling/jumping from towers also made me think of Ashara Dayne, and Eldric noted that Sansa is a "little bird" in the high tower of the Eyrie. Good grief, now we have an entirely new rabbit hole to down :) Cheers & Tschuss!
Also, Haleana is near the floor because she actually engages with her children, unlike Alicent. She is child-like herself, in that she has a sense of wonder, and she can sit still in 1 place & in 1 moment, not busying herself, while observing and "dreaming".
I don't even know if that's true. It wouldn't surprise me if the showrunners had her return home on a ship, and Dreamfyre just followed. It's certainly not enough screentime. People who haven't read Fire & Blood likely don't know she even has a dragon.
I don't even know if that's true. It wouldn't surprise me if the showrunners had her return home on a ship, and Dreamfyre just followed. It's certainly not enough screentime. People who haven't read Fire & Blood likely don't know she even has a dragon.
We never see her dragon and she is supposed to be the most beautiful of them all next to Silverwing. I don't understand why too much CGI probably. I at least wish we could hear her cries/roars since she is supposed to feel what Halaena feels or at least be lonely since she's not ridden like Seasmoke was (or maybe Seasmoke was grieving Laenor who knows)
Hopefully she does fight in a battle especially if they cut nettles let her have nettles line with dreamfyre and maybe not hanging with daemon lol at least let us see her nd dreamfyre together dreamfyre is important let haelena be more important with fighting one battle and not liking it maybe having more visions afterwards that would eventually drive her more mad she should embrace that other targaryen side at least for a moment of battle with dreamfyre maybe aegon and aemond suggest she fights one battle with them to hopefully feel better like she could fly with aemond nd vhagar to burn something
She doesn't really posses the presence of mind to deal with battle at ALL, though. We can see how she can't process even the slightest bit of discomfort, and shuts down outside of her routine, so I don't think she'd *ever* be fit for battle under ANY circumstances.
I personally do not see Haleana riding her dragon + riding into battle. I can only see it happening by being forced. And that doesn't seem practical to do. She is in no head space for any of what is going on. She doesn't think like the people around her. Her existence seems tragic.
in the show, it is confirmed that daenerys’s dragons come from syrax’s clutch. in the books, it’s obviously hinted that their mother is dreamfyre. even in the show, dreamfyre shows a ton of physical similarities to drogon, viserion, and rhaegal.
I don't think Balerion layed eggs, if he/ she would have done one it would happen again but it is never recorded. The only other dragon is Rhaenys' Meraxes. Also the prince that is promised is from Rhaenys' blood as Aegon did not father Aenys as other videos have proved. So it makes sense that her dragon's babies would reach Dany. Also that one tine Viserys dreamt seems more like wishful thinking from the king than dragon dream, and balerion was flown also by Maegor who isn't recorded as having any dream at all.
@@Totalchaos0228 Are you all deft? Watch the damn video, you'll see the person make the assumption that the twins joined the kingsguard at 8 yrs old and 10 yrs old. I am correcting them.
House of the dragons refers to the targaryans,they are the dragons, yes they have dragons but they also cannot be burned by fire and they ride dragons and it's just in their blood,the show isn't supposed to focus on the dragons just the people blessed with dragons blood.
I thought the beast beneath the boards was in reference to Maylese’s escape from the dragon pit, not dream fire’s death or did we not watch the same show?
She can't even keep a thought straight because of all her confusing visions, so how in the hell is she gonna be able to fly her dragon into battle. She's got her own battle to fight, and that's the one IN HER HEAD! 🧐😂
If they take to flight, it will be a suicide pac. And it's more painful and shocking to keep with H's original death, so... probably no flying for these two.
I’ve said this many times but I really do think they should of done the whole of season 1 about young rhanerya, then season 2 should’ve had more seasons about the Hightower family
17:47 ok so Meyles can break out from the dragonpit unharmed but Dreamfire can't?? This is why I hate the show sometimes. With that one scene they've created so many writing problems.
Season Finale trailer shows that Aemond is asking her to ride Dreamfyre to war. While I 99% confirm that Helaena will 99% refuse Aemond's request, I now pray to The Seven Gods for that 1% faith😂
@@schroder1972utrecht good question! In dragon mythology there are 9 types of dragons. However in GRRM's world, the dragons seem to be classified differently. I personally think they vary by their color, but that is very broad. It's impossible to know for sure, but the Targaryens are known for their war dragons in Valyrian history.
I think you went bot overboard with theory about Balerion laying eggs. Your own argument about Vhagar not being mother is that 'she was not recorded to lay any eggs' - but neither was Balerion. Identifying sex among dragons is matter if disputed and the whole claim about 'dragons being neither male of female' was ony unconfirmed rumor (that also have no sens from biological point of view; you cannot be 'neither'. You can be BOTH at the same time, but not 'neither'). What is however clear that dragons who lay eggs were considered to be proven as female. For example, the tale about Vermax laying eggs in North is treated skeptical among chroniclers because Vermax never laid eggs when during residing in Dragonstone, despite being at least 14, which would imply he was male. On opposite side, fact that Meraxes, Vhagar, Syrax, Dreamfyre, Moondancer, Meleys, Silverwing, Tessarion and Morning are all viewed as female, imply that at some point in their life they laid at least one egg (or possibly there was way to determine dragon sex and chroniclers were simply unaware of it). So all in-universe information we have suggest Vhagar IS known to laid egg, while Balerion is NOT. If Balerion laid egg, none ever saw this.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Septon Barth's writings were destroyed for being a threat to the Faith of the Seven during Baelor the Blessed's reign. So we will never know. Which is why the few fragments we do have are extremely important and insightful. GRRM wrote it that way for a reason.
@@FeyFire So Barth was writing about Balerion, but none of those writing survived? Okay, then there is no existent source that would suggest Balerion laid eggs. Sorry, but that theory doesn't hold water.
Helena looks older than her mother by a LONG SHOT! I'm not sure why they casted a woman so young looking to play a mother and a Queen. Olivia Cook is a good actress, not the best but fair. She looks like she's in her young 20s. To have adult children that are in their 20s is just not very believable. Rhyneara looks years older than Alicent even though they are supposed to be the same age. Everybody is raving about what a "Great actress" Olivia is. I don't agree. Now Emma D'Arcy... SHE'S a fabulous actress! She and Daemon are SO GOOD!
They should have shown Dreamfyre while Helaena was freaking out during the funeral. Like Rhaenyra and Syrax in season 1.
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i 💯 agree! i feel like there are so many inconsistencies with everything and it annoying tbh
I don’t think Helaena is bonded to Dreamfyre like that.
@@Kikithewildling probably not. I just want to see Dreamfyre!
Well it is written in the books that when halaena threw herself to her death dreamfyre suddenly rose with a roar that shook the dragon pit n snapped two of her chains.
Oh that’s the same window she was thrown from!!! That’s why she cried as a baby- she sensed it then, and she dreamt it later- great eyes to notice that!
this has been noticed since day one, altshift X has live streams and ppl pointed this connection out right when the ep came out.
you can check out his vids if you're into tid bits like this.
She was thrown she jumped
@@hueyhampton3213well in the books and a lot things have been changed so there is a chance that the “truth” will be portrayed differently here
@@LaylaTow I hope they don’t change that
@@hueyhampton3213 i think something will be definitely changed if not that someone else did it to her maybe the reason will be slightly different why she did that. So far she mourning her son loss but not to the point of despair portrayed in the book. So my guess is that eventually maybe she will go mad because of visions/dreams that she cannot escape. It would be somewhat similar to Alia Atreides from Dune.
heleana and her dragon shared a similar role, brood mares. Heirs for Aegon and dragon eggs for Targaryen’s. Both forced to stay within the keep and dragon pit until their deaths
Dreamfyre was princess Rhaena's mount before she was Helaena. Rhaena was their.. great aunt? if Jaehaerys was Aegon, Alysanne was Rhaenys then Rhaena would have been Visenya. Rhaena was the rightful heir to the throne but she's sick of it and gave it to Jaehaerys instead. So anyway, Rhaena was very much like Helaena when she was a kid but upon bonding with Dreamfyre she entered her Visenya era, which I wondered why Helaena is still so meek after bonding. Is it because she's predominantly raised by non-Targaryens? Targaryen by themselves are pretty cool with women, as no matter the gender, they can still ride dragons (like Targs women pre-Dance are badass as hell). It's only after merging with Westerosi culture that they started being misogynistic. I wonder if that's how Helaena never reached her full potential as a dragonrider like say, Rhaenyra, Rhaenys or Laena.
Bruh, what was Halaena supposed to do? Not have kids? Lmao
I am obsessed with that thumbnail shot of Helaena during the funeral procession. It's so tragically beautiful 😢
The actress is phenomenal!
The cinematography in this show is exceptional. I wish talent and art was more valued than rushed profit crap
Why no one has realized that Helena is a dragon dreamer yet is mind blowing! I know most of her family ignores her but I at least expected Alicent to catch on since besides her kids, she's the one who spends the most time with her. I'm team black but Helena is such a sweet soul & she doesn't deserve to be tied up in the dance 😔
I think alicent doesn't give any respect for targaryen lore or traditions. She called the dragons beast and thinks incest repulsive but only tolerates it for her kids because it strengthens their claims of being better options for the realm.
Dont worry. Aemond will realize it in Episode 5
Who? The only person close to her with enough knoweldge on Targaryen lore didnt give a damn about his kids with Alicent, and Alicent and Otto are not from a family that has dragon dreams so it makes sense that they would not recognice the signs.
I read somewhere that it is not book accurate and just something the fans liked to decode, idk.
I'm loving the show so far, but the lack of anything referencing Helaena and Dreamfyre is really starting to p*ss me off...
the greens have little to no scenes with their dragons. except maybe aemond and vhagar
Ironically, we really could use some more screen time for the various dragons. I want to see Dreamfyre, Helenae at the wheel, or not. Same for Tessarion, Grey Ghost, Silverwing, and Cannibal.
I hope they do cannibal at Corly's funeral scene, I really do. Best chance we'll get to see him.
but since they made him black maybe they'll avoid making the black dude a metaphorical cannibal cuz that raciiiisssst.
maybe we'll see canibal somewhere else, he should be monstrously huge.
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Fairly certain we’ll see the cannibal kill silver denys and his sons later on in the season, could be wrong tho
And sunfyre!!
some of those dragons i expect we won’t likely see until far later in the show-either near the end of this season, or the introduction to the next, especially the cannibal. i’m curious if we’ll end up seeing sheapstealer, too.
edit: we likely won’t see grey ghost, either, unless serving as an introduction to the cannibal, since grey ghost was never claimed.
I’m so mad that we didn’t even get to see her with Dreamfyre burning Jahaerys.
Oh shit… that would have been the _perfect_ way to at least give us *one* scene..
Now I think we probably won’t see any Helaena + dragon scenes. Bummer.
Yeah, I don't think we will, and I'm pretty annoyed about it. @@Neddoest
Yeah I don't understand it. That just means we will never get to see dreamfyre in sunlight. They neglect tf outta that dragon
As if Helaena was bonded to Dreamfyre like that…
@@Kikithewildling Bonded like what?
I actually think he was gentle with her in this scene. I think neither knew what to do with their big feelings. I don't think he meant dismiss her.
yeah i feel like he was trying to be respectful towards her but truly didnt understand her
i just assumed during the funeral she was picking up on the emotions or even futures of those people surrounding her and it was too much because later she tells her mother and she grieves for and misses her son but then says but i dont know if i should because of all those other mothers who will miss their sons feeling like she doesnt have the right to have a pain stronger than the people's pain but yeah her body language was screaming dragon it would have been better had they just let her grieve in peace or in the presence of her dragon. btw that scene where sunfyre greets aegon before flying off to battle was so suprisingly wholesome and joyful that was the first time we saw real happiness, joy, and connection for aegon with anyone.
It will be very disappointing if we don’t see Helaena on dragon back.
I don’t think she’s in battle at all- but how could House of The Dragon forfeit some opportunity to show it at least once…?
you will not
Well get used to disappointment
According to the books, Helaena never rides her dragon after the death of Prince Jaehaerys. (More like she was incapable of riding because of her devastated mental state) So, I think, we probably gonna be disappointed 🥲
@@pranjeetmusic8891but the thing is… they’ve sort of done away with her mental breakdown, she whispered at the beginning of episode one “they only one” it’s too quiet to hear in English but it was louder in the Spanish dub, she knew her son would die, dosen’t make it any less heartbreaking but still.
@@Jrr592 okay, that might be so. but my point is there is no event from this point of the story till her death, where she’d go flying with her dragon. she is not a battlefield woman. but I’d be surprised and ecstatic to see her on a dragon. i really like the way they’ve portrayed her in the show.
They could’ve shown Dreamfyre in distress maybe even just breathing fire around in panic like she’s burning the crowd, would’ve been cool to see.
With all the doom and gloom of dragons dying this show needs to give us Dreamfrye surving the dance and flying out of the pit as it falls
We'll get that....for 30 seconds....then disaster.
Phia does such a good job as our precious girl 🥺
Edit: man I forgot Aegon saying “I want my mother” these kids never wanted any part of Alicent or Otto’s plans and just wanted/needed their parents love. It’s really sad
Great video!
What Phia Saban has done with this character on the show is in terms of breathing life into her, is worthy of it's own show and a sign the showrunners should breathe a little extra life into her beyond her arc in the book. She was always a favorite on the written page, but felt wasted and even more so a favorite now with Saban's beautiful performance - I'd hate to see her wasted yet again on screen.
love the theory that dreamfyre is from a clutch of balerions
The fact that in the show....the DREAMER's dragon is named DREAMFYRE .... pretty neat.......
I mean... she could have just flew away to Dragonstone with her children and their dragons in tow, and no one in KL would've been able to stop her from leaving to be with her sister.
arryk could have had some more sense as well. It's not like Aegeon being shit was a secret or surprise to anyone.
but plot go brrr, and neither Helena or Arryk seem to have much agency, they just do what they are told. Ppl like that do exist.
Rhaenyra and her are never shown to have a close relationship.
Helaena loves her mother and brothers why would she just leave.
Who is to say Daemon would have treated her well?
@@Trissogynistit has been discussed in the books that they are close and we could also assume they’d have a somewhat close relationship being the only two female children in the family I do believe in 🩸 and 🧀 or the episode after rhae mentioned halaena and how she’s an innocent in all of this
She foresees what Dany does to the people of Kings Landing 4:00
The beast beneath the boards was Meleys erupting from the dragon pit. The actor who plays Helaena confirms this in a behind the episode scene.
This is one of the best videos I have listened to with such detail and insights. Bless the creator for having put in research and time into developing and narrating it !
@@mirinalray5395 thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Omg!! Super insightful I ❤ it! The link between dragons and their riders is so nuanced and it gave me a whole new view into Rhaena thank you!
while I somewhat can assume what happens to haleana, maybe a “final flight” on dreamfyre so off her beauty backdrop to a tragic scene
oh that's good 👀
@@FeyFire like I need to see dreamfyre in all her glory 😭 also would be a nice parallel to laena & vhagar
13:09 I don’t think she has a fear of heights to an extent that she wouldn’t ride Dreamfyre, and refuse contact with her. The bond between rider and dragon is so magical and in despite the blood and nightmares - pure, that it seems impossible that the sweet and sensitive Halaena (whom we know to love all living beings, especially winged creatures) would refuse to bond with the beast. I think she didn’t attend the lessons in the pit due to everyone around her knowing she was different, especially Alicent. Perhaps she bonded with Dreamfyre and rode her on her own terms - by pure sensitivity and intuition.
Helaena doesn't seem to have an interest in dragons or battles. I'm sure the character may be portrayed differently in the books. Helaena's an introvert with a sweet nature. Shame she was born to Alicent.
I can understand that she's not meant for war but as she's being portrayed as a "dragon dreamer" it'd have been nice to see her interact with her dragon, even just to fly or be with her or anything. I want more fantasy from this fantasy show!
Exactly @@jesseandersen4055
Actually this is exactly why she is so deeply connected with Dreamfyre. The dragoness has been mentioned to be rather docile and void of any intent to battle. In the show and within the books we see Heleana’s odd behavior towards other humans which in turn makes her connection with her dragoness so strong.
Maybe a scene of her flying on Dreamfyre to clear her mind
Fey, so far I am loving your content. I am new to your channel, but loving it. I am disappointed though that we don't see the second most powerful person that much. As Queen, Helaena deserves more screen time. And as a very important dragon, Dreamfyre needs more time too. I am finding it odd these two don't get enough screen time.
Honestly it's about time man, I need to see another side of her where instead of fearing her dreams she embraces them and tries to go head on to them where she starts to putting things together over just saying them out loud btw which at this point they need to stop thinking she's nutz and start respecting her power anyways I could say a whole lot more but let me not let's just hope we see a dreamfyre vs moondancer at this just watching her mount dreamfyre would be enough to make me smile😊
Agree!
I still just can't wrap my head around how ALL OF THESE DETAILS of every single family in these books all came from George Martin's mind!! It just keeps going and going, deeper and deeper into the details of... all of these Targaryen family members!! All the way back to the Great Great Great fathers and brothers and cousins.. it's all intertwined. Brilliance..sheer brilliance! Way to go George Double-R!
SOLid theory., But I think the beast beneath the boards is Larys Strong. Check out the carving at the top of his walking stick in season 1 (foot fetish scene w/ Alicent ). The persistent wood bug eating its way up through the floorboards
Oh, I have a theory about that right here! 😁 Rats, Bugs, & Blood: czcams.com/video/pQvEU2tiL8Q/video.html
@@FeyFire TY, also good content. Although I'm not convinced Larys is a green seer, he just might have a strong network of spies. Regardless, he appears at key moments to guide the narrative with knowledge from mysterious sources. Also, Helaena is a watcher. She has a very narrow emotional range (almost vacant, ) . I don't see her jumping a dragon and becoming a player., but I do see her a step ahead Larys due to her predictive powers , whatever its source.
I must admit , I stopped following your stuff after "Raised by Wolves" was cut .. but I'm back. fyi ~ Nice to see Abubakar Salim land a role in H. o D. season 2
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@@jeffsully4569 glad to have you back! And yes, it is wonderful to see Father back on screen, I am really looking forward to watching his character develop. Mother (Amanda Collin) will be in HotD as well!
Thanks for watching!
@@jeffsully4569 her saying shes scared of the rats and then a rat catcher killing her son seems like a red herring to me, I bet Larry's can warg into rats, it would be so cool if he was the "rat king" and also the beast beneath the boards,
Rats running around over hearing conversations is how I guess he gets his info.
“beware the beast beneath the boards” to me also meant the precipice they all stood on regarding what was about to happen: aegon becoming king - or, more broadly, aegon becoming king which deeply angered the targaryen side of the family, and thus, let loose the “beast” (of war) (but also of the targaryens, which symbolized “the dragon”, or rather, the beast). i like to think it was a double meaning: beware aegon (for he is a beast), and beware the horrors that him becoming king will unleash.
I like someone else's feeling on the flower petals coming down that she was envisioning the ash coming down when Dany burned kings landing. Also, she may have been panicking that a dragon could burn them.
This seems like it might hold some truth. It explains the fear.
she looked away during the coronation but when Maelys comes up she stares at her or Rhaenys idk but Aegon cowered around his mom but Hela stands like a stonewall staring them down almost...
Exactly, I think she knew that Meleys wouldn't burn them
i think it telling though that she leans in towards aemond for protection and not her husband
0:04 me when someone says they're tired of dragons in HOTD.
When she was having that panic attack that literally triggered my panic attack a little 😭
She sees the green confetti as ASH!
Parallel to Rhaenyra staring at the dust motes while she sits with her boys- ashes to ashes, dust to dust 🤌
I haven't read the books so I could be wrong (even though I have read most of the spoilers regarding the dance of the dragons), but I feel that since the show is not strictly following the books, they're going to add a twist to Helena's death. I think that they're still going to make her die by falling from the window, but perhaps because someone is going to push her, that being Aemond imo.
Since he's basically controlling the way the greens fight the war now that Aegon is injured, he will try to gain more fighting force (and another dragon could surely be very useful), even if it means sacrificing his own sister. This way Dreamfyre will be free from her bond and will have the possibility to be claimed by someone else, maybe a dragonseed or someone close to the greens
I loved that in the next episode she didnt give two shits about her dead son
She's coping rather well, isn't she lol?
You left out that Apollo cursed Casandra for not wanting to sleep with him.
During the funeral procession it wasn't confetti the common folk were throwing at Alicent and Helena it was hopps ake the active ingredient in beer and Arick and Erik joined the kings guard at 8 and 10 meaning 18 years old . The kings guard doesn't take children.
Daeron was mentioned in S02 episode 2 so he will appear. Just not yet. They mentioned in the show " like the books" that he's in old town so we WILL get to see him! Yay.
Drogon went to the pit because he smelled the blood, not to save Dany. At least as it’s written in the book, he only flew there attracted to the smell. Aegon and Sunfyre are the only ones who have a bond that strong- it was written when Aegon was nearly killed, sunfyre flew across Westeros with one wing broken to save him with an almost telepathic knowing of not only his emotion, like most bonds, but location as well.. and their bond is the only one with whole pages dedicated to it.
Also Viserys couldn’t claim another dragon if he wanted to. A person can only bond with one dragon in their life. A dragon can have multiple riders during their life, but not the other way around
She would have to have the dreams before the bond, because she had the closing one eye prophesy before claiming Dreamfyre. (I think. 🤔 Unless Aemond didnt know that she'd already bonded with her before his attempt.) Other than that, I think this is all very plausible and an enjoyable theory. 😊
As for who was mother of Dremafyre - Meraxes or Vhagar - both things are equally possible, as dragons egg apparently don't have 'time expiration date'. Meraxes could lay fertillized eggs years before her death.
We do not have any information on how long an egg must incubate before hatching. Illyrio states that the long years had turned the eggs to stone. Dany's eggs were a miracle, an exception to the rule, otherwise many people would have hatched eggs over the years. Meraxes died at least 25-30 years prior to Dreamfyre hatching, so I just don't see her coming from a very old egg.
Visenya struggled to get pregnant, which is why there are rumors of magical intervention to get pregnant with Maegor. Perhaps similar to what is pictured in the tapestries. But even when Laena was her rider, who had given birth to twins, Vhagar was not recorded as laying eggs, though Syrax was. Vhagar is a warrior dragon, like her riders are warriors. Not a mother dragon, like Dreamfyre. And Balerion. Lol
@@FeyFire Viseyna did not 'struggle' - people were whispering she is infertile, but her not becoming pregnant could be result of Aegon not sleeping with her, or - more likely - it was result of Aegon's having fertility problems himself. Queen Rhaenys also gave birth to only one child, and people were even talking that Aenys might not be even Aegon's. Anyway, Visenya having only one son is not indicator of Vhagar having problems. Dragons are connected to riders, but they are separate beings. Sinc Vhagar was considered female, that suggest she did lay eggs, at least one time in her life.
'Vhagar is a warrior dragon, like her riders are warriors. Not a mother dragon' - Those things are not exclusive. All signs on Earrtth and water suggest she had to have clutch. Balerion was viewed as male - he NEVER laid any egg.
@@FeyFire We also have to remember there are many dragons who are not mentioned. Fore example the last named dragon after Dance is Morning, BUT we do know there were other dragons who hatched too - like Last Dragoness who is not known to have rider, but we know she existed. Perhaps Dreamfyre is not daughter of Belarion/Meraxes or Belarion/Vhagar, but instead their GRAND daughter via some unnamed dragons born of them.
Honestly, playing with genders roles and make Balerion the black dread a mother dragon would be great, same for Drogon, a black dragon is not a masculine or virilist stand point, and their dragons riders being infertile while the black dragon lay eggs is a beautiful picture I think
@@Lagermination It's not a point. There are animals in real world that changes from female to male (some fishes) or that are solely female and produce offspring without partner (some reptiles). It would be inetersting to have stories that Balerion mates with Meraxes and one time it is Meraxes who lays eggs, and next time it is Balerion. But there is NOTHING in source material that would indicate that Balerion ever was consider to be female or laid eggs. And there is asbolutely nothing that would indicate Vhagar was infertile. This theory is blatant misunderstanding and misquoting dragon biology.
Straight answer : NO
Not in the book and not in the show.
Both Helaena and Dreamfyre, despite having unique personality & rich backstory, their energy just doesn't sync with the current situation & main conflict of the story.
Such a wasted potential because Helaena is a possible fan favorite & Dreamfyre is a century years old beautiful beast BUT they have the least screentimes & minimal storylines
At least everything is more of a surprise though since they aren’t following the books entirely
I hate that the only Scene of them is when they are flying away
You will hate it more when you learn that it was, at first expected to see Dreamfyre and Sunfyre taking off before Vhagar did in the scene of Laena's funeral at Driftmark. They then consider that to be too expensive, and cut it down to just Vhagar taking off.
It should be noted that Erryk and Arryk joined at 8 and 10 years old meaning 18 in Old English.
Cassandra, according to the myth, was first given the gift of prophecy as she was a priestess at Apollo's temple. When the god came around to claim his right to do whatever he wanted with her, she refused and Apollo cursed her to always speak but never to be heard
Yeah, I read Apollo spat in her mouth as he cursed her.
7:30 That's an awesome illustration 👌🏻
The artist is Ertac Altinoz, he does amazing work!
@@FeyFire Thank you!
I love how they are using pictures of Princess Pavetta from The Witcher to represent Rhaena Targaryen
I also have to "suppress my draconic instincts" from time to time :) RAWR!!! Another great vidya. I'm still curious, if not a bit concerned, about how they're going to handle dragons/dragon-bonding in the show. They seem to be changing the rules a bit, but we shall see.
Great catch with the window and her "fear of heights" motif. It would explain why she wouldn't want to fly a dragon, or spend much time in or around "Hightowers" either. Check out @EldricStoneskins latest vid. It's all about the Seerers/Dreamers falling out of towers in order to gain their prophetic sight.
Egg-laying, "Mama Balerion" is now my new head canon \m/
Thanks Karl! I also wanted to add in that we often see Helaena crouched on the floor, which I believe is an intentional nod to her fear of heights as well. It didn't make it into the video but worth mentioning!
I will definitely check out his video - one of my favorite channels!
#MamaBalerion 🔥🥚 #FireAndEggs
@@FeyFire The Gods are watching, as soon as I finished your vid, there was a comment from @Eldricstoneskin waiting for me, so I mentioned your vid to him. LOL! Great minds think alike.
The falling/jumping from towers also made me think of Ashara Dayne, and Eldric noted that Sansa is a "little bird" in the high tower of the Eyrie. Good grief, now we have an entirely new rabbit hole to down :)
Cheers & Tschuss!
Thank you for the vid rec's
Also, Haleana is near the floor because she actually engages with her children, unlike Alicent. She is child-like herself, in that she has a sense of wonder, and she can sit still in 1 place & in 1 moment, not busying herself, while observing and "dreaming".
She flew Dreamfyre home from DriftMark..
I don't even know if that's true. It wouldn't surprise me if the showrunners had her return home on a ship, and Dreamfyre just followed. It's certainly not enough screentime. People who haven't read Fire & Blood likely don't know she even has a dragon.
I don't even know if that's true. It wouldn't surprise me if the showrunners had her return home on a ship, and Dreamfyre just followed. It's certainly not enough screentime. People who haven't read Fire & Blood likely don't know she even has a dragon.
I saw that too when it aired.
@@made-line7627Is dreamfyre would be participating at time the of dance???
@@rifanasa1866 I don't recall her ever participating in any of the battles, though Helaena did ride her often ✌🏻
Her face reminds me of the face of the Statue of Liberty for some reason.
She’s having a vision of herself falling.
We never see her dragon and she is supposed to be the most beautiful of them all next to Silverwing. I don't understand why too much CGI probably. I at least wish we could hear her cries/roars since she is supposed to feel what Halaena feels or at least be lonely since she's not ridden like Seasmoke was (or maybe Seasmoke was grieving Laenor who knows)
I just wanna see more of their bonds man, I wanna see them fly together, I wanna see the emotions like we did with syrax and Rhaenrya
Hopefully she does fight in a battle especially if they cut nettles let her have nettles line with dreamfyre and maybe not hanging with daemon lol at least let us see her nd dreamfyre together dreamfyre is important let haelena be more important with fighting one battle and not liking it maybe having more visions afterwards that would eventually drive her more mad she should embrace that other targaryen side at least for a moment of battle with dreamfyre maybe aegon and aemond suggest she fights one battle with them to hopefully feel better like she could fly with aemond nd vhagar to burn something
She doesn't really posses the presence of mind to deal with battle at ALL, though.
We can see how she can't process even the slightest bit of discomfort, and shuts down outside of her routine, so I don't think she'd *ever* be fit for battle under ANY circumstances.
I personally do not see Haleana riding her dragon + riding into battle. I can only see it happening by being forced. And that doesn't seem practical to do.
She is in no head space for any of what is going on. She doesn't think like the people around her. Her existence seems tragic.
That's something i wondered... and I'd like to see.
Dreamfyre lay 3 eggs, and Helaena bore 3 children.
Viserys wasn't a dreamer and he didn't have a vision. He just had a dream that he misinterpreted as a vision.
those dragon riders need to invest in parachutes
Dreamfyre will have her moment during the attack on the Dragonpit in what will likely be the last season.
So the green confettis are the rocks from the destruction of the dragonpit?
Curious how Queen Rheana (Dreamfyre’s 1st rider) and Helena both preferred the company of animals than that of humans.
in the show, it is confirmed that daenerys’s dragons come from syrax’s clutch. in the books, it’s obviously hinted that their mother is dreamfyre.
even in the show, dreamfyre shows a ton of physical similarities to drogon, viserion, and rhaegal.
I don't think Balerion layed eggs, if he/ she would have done one it would happen again but it is never recorded. The only other dragon is Rhaenys' Meraxes. Also the prince that is promised is from Rhaenys' blood as Aegon did not father Aenys as other videos have proved. So it makes sense that her dragon's babies would reach Dany. Also that one tine Viserys dreamt seems more like wishful thinking from the king than dragon dream, and balerion was flown also by Maegor who isn't recorded as having any dream at all.
She is an incredible actress. She is possibly my favorite character on the show. The jury is still out on that.
@@krismodrow3993 same
Apollo conferred on Cassandra both the gift of prophecy, but, crucially, also a curse that she would never be believed
Helaena and Aemond claimed older dragons. Sunfyre and Tesserion were born to Aegon and Daeron respectively from the eggs placed in their cradles
Arryk and Erryk didnt join the kings guard at 8 and 10 years old. They joined when they were 18 years old. You got that wrong.
"Eight and ten" is an old-fashioned way of saying 18. They're twins, so they couldn't be different ages.
@@capysarah I know. i was correcting them.
Dude...8 and 10 means 18.
I love seeing people smugly correct others about something they’re dead wrong on
@@Totalchaos0228 Are you all deft? Watch the damn video, you'll see the person make the assumption that the twins joined the kingsguard at 8 yrs old and 10 yrs old. I am correcting them.
For a show called House of the Dragon and all about DRAGONS there is quite a lack of enough DRAGONS. This is my only real complaint.
House of the dragons refers to the targaryans,they are the dragons, yes they have dragons but they also cannot be burned by fire and they ride dragons and it's just in their blood,the show isn't supposed to focus on the dragons just the people blessed with dragons blood.
@@lacied4020 The dragons are not the focus of the show? Are you serious with that? Lol
@@lacied4020 dragons are not the focus of the show? Are you serious?
Good but you missed the funeral shroud she was weaving ahead of Blood and Cheese and ended up with her son on the funeral march
I thought the beast beneath the boards was in reference to Maylese’s escape from the dragon pit, not dream fire’s death or did we not watch the same show?
Both can be true
Great scene in the opening moments.
She can't even keep a thought straight because of all her confusing visions, so how in the hell is she gonna be able to fly her dragon into battle. She's got her own battle to fight, and that's the one IN HER HEAD! 🧐😂
If they take to flight, it will be a suicide pac. And it's more painful and shocking to keep with H's original death, so... probably no flying for these two.
I would very much like to see her mount Dreamfyre.
I’ve said this many times but I really do think they should of done the whole of season 1 about young rhanerya, then season 2 should’ve had more seasons about the Hightower family
Here after watching the trailer for S2E8 👀
17:47 ok so Meyles can break out from the dragonpit unharmed but Dreamfire can't?? This is why I hate the show sometimes. With that one scene they've created so many writing problems.
I like it
Dreamfyre the real Mother of Dragons
Momma to Drogon, Rheagal and Viserion🙌🏼
This answers a lot. Shame that one of thebiggest dragons never battled on this war
Season Finale trailer shows that Aemond is asking her to ride Dreamfyre to war.
While I 99% confirm that Helaena will 99% refuse Aemond's request, I now pray to The Seven Gods for that 1% faith😂
How many diffrent kind of dragons are there?
@@schroder1972utrecht good question! In dragon mythology there are 9 types of dragons. However in GRRM's world, the dragons seem to be classified differently. I personally think they vary by their color, but that is very broad. It's impossible to know for sure, but the Targaryens are known for their war dragons in Valyrian history.
i sure fucking hope we at least see dreamfyre
Oh, she'll fly alright
Did she jump? It was she thrown by someone who found her a threat. The rat king?
Why are you using images of the Witcher show?
They don't show them on their dragons because of budget reasons.
No because condall hates the greens
It is curious that she named her dragon that name. Basically, her dragon is a jr...
It's anybody's guess as they've already changed so much 🤷♀️
I hate the way Helaena’s life goes… her fate in the books was so undeserved. Her mother deserved it, but not her. Helaena had been through enough. 😢
WHY DO PEOPLE SAY DROGON is the reincarnation of balerion, where is this info from
I'm sorry but the images of Pavetta from Witcher are really distracting
A spoiler alert might have been nice 🎉
The title of the video is the spoiler warning
Helaena should have joined the blacks 🖤💯
I think you went bot overboard with theory about Balerion laying eggs. Your own argument about Vhagar not being mother is that 'she was not recorded to lay any eggs' - but neither was Balerion. Identifying sex among dragons is matter if disputed and the whole claim about 'dragons being neither male of female' was ony unconfirmed rumor (that also have no sens from biological point of view; you cannot be 'neither'. You can be BOTH at the same time, but not 'neither'). What is however clear that dragons who lay eggs were considered to be proven as female. For example, the tale about Vermax laying eggs in North is treated skeptical among chroniclers because Vermax never laid eggs when during residing in Dragonstone, despite being at least 14, which would imply he was male. On opposite side, fact that Meraxes, Vhagar, Syrax, Dreamfyre, Moondancer, Meleys, Silverwing, Tessarion and Morning are all viewed as female, imply that at some point in their life they laid at least one egg (or possibly there was way to determine dragon sex and chroniclers were simply unaware of it). So all in-universe information we have suggest Vhagar IS known to laid egg, while Balerion is NOT. If Balerion laid egg, none ever saw this.
I mean I'm not going to argue with Septon Barth, he knew Balerion
@@FeyFire And what exactly Septon Barth says on Balerion?
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Septon Barth's writings were destroyed for being a threat to the Faith of the Seven during Baelor the Blessed's reign. So we will never know. Which is why the few fragments we do have are extremely important and insightful. GRRM wrote it that way for a reason.
@@FeyFire So Barth was writing about Balerion, but none of those writing survived? Okay, then there is no existent source that would suggest Balerion laid eggs. Sorry, but that theory doesn't hold water.
Dragons are mysterious :)
Helena looks older than her mother by a LONG SHOT! I'm not sure why they casted a woman so young looking to play a mother and a Queen. Olivia Cook is a good actress, not the best but fair. She looks like she's in her young 20s. To have adult children that are in their 20s is just not very believable. Rhyneara looks years older than Alicent even though they are supposed to be the same age. Everybody is raving about what a "Great actress" Olivia is. I don't agree. Now
Emma D'Arcy... SHE'S a fabulous actress! She and Daemon are SO GOOD!