Sony 20-70mm F4 G. Don't WASTE Your Money?
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2023
- Sony has unveiled the FE 20-70mm F4 G, a versatile standard zoom lens that offers both ultra-wide and long-end focal lengths. Despite its compact and lightweight design, the lens maintains a constant F4 aperture and does not include image stabilization. The 20mm starting point provides a wider angle of view than 24mm lenses, allowing for greater flexibility in video shooting even when digital stabilization is engaged.
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I’ve got this lens on order already, it’s literally the PERFECT mountain adventure lens for what I have been shooting lately. I don’t mind the f/4 AT ALL since it makes it way smaller than my 24-70 f/2.8 GM II, and that weight savings is worth the loss of a stop of light.
oh nice! perfect response
Is there so much difference in size and weight from 2.8 to f4? I'm on my way this 20-70 for €1000 (Spain). Similar quality? I almost bought the 2.8 but its size, weight and price was too much to justify with my use as a simple amateur. Thank you.
@@AngelikuS_ the 20-70 is noticeably smaller and lighter than the 24-70, and honestly I haven’t seen any difference in sharpness or color or anything between the two of them.
@@AngelikuS_ it’s a noticeable weight and size difference, with being VERY simmilar in image quality.
Very interesting!
I have recently acquired the Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G lens too.
However, one thing is bothering me or rather I would like to clarify whether it is a general issue with this lens or whether it is a defect specifically with my lens. The lens makes a noise when focussing (with autofocus).
By the way, the volume of the noise varies depending on the aperture setting. At f/4 the noise is very minimal, almost inaudible. From f/4.5, however, it is clearly audible. And the higher the aperture number (for example f/13), the longer it takes to focus and the longer the noise lasts. However, these differences are small.
I am not yet familiar with focusing noises from lenses recently released by Sony. For example, the new Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G and the new Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II are 100% completely silent. The older Sony FE 18mm f/1.8 G, on the other hand, also makes the noise described above, if I remember correctly.
Does your lens also make this noise? Many thanks in advance!
I don't quite understand the loss at the wide end, from 20mm to 24mm. Is that with just video when using IBIS? Can you explain that to me in a little more detail? Thanks!!!
20-70mm F4 and 35mm 1.4, is it a good combo for travel and low light when required?
Or should i opt for 24-105 instead because it has oss and more range, but will produce softer image and heavier? Thanks.
I realize it's a year old comment but don't go for the outdated 24-105, you will get better imagine quality with the 20-70 cropped to 105 and on the wide end 20 is very noticeable compared to 24
As a 24-105 user… this new lens is attractive cos of the lighter weight, smaller size and slightly sharper images but no OSS is a bummer….it does make a difference when using the 24-105 on the A7R5 with OSS turned on
I can't think of a reason to sell my 24-105 for this new lens. I got the very small and lightweight 16-35 f4.0 PZ zoom. Why, 20mm isn't wide enough. I want 16mm. This is what people are going to say once they say 20 is not wide enough so I bought a 16mm lens. This is a never ending argument. I got the 14-24mm f2.8 and the 24-70mm f2.8 Sigmas. That ultrawide is sweet, and it starts out at 14mm. I love wide angle lens. I want a fisheye one day. Had one for my Nikon F2a years ago and it was a blast to use.
Folks, if you bitching about competitors - you just need to understand that lens design is all about what compromise you want to make.
Want a fast aperture - get the 1.4 prime,
want it small as well - sacrifice a stop and go with 1.8 prime,
want a 2.8 - either sacrifice the zoom range (get a Tamron 20-40 2.8)
or go with a big, heavier and more expensive 24-70 2.8.
Want a bigger reach - 24-105 F/4 would be bigger and much heavier.
If you want it all - just look at Canon's 28-70 F/2, at it's size, price & weight.
You should view this as a modern era kit replacement - awesome IQ, good zoom, nice weight & size.
The only thing I wish for this lens is to be smaller - for F/4 it's kind of big, but I guess it's a consequence of modern lens design that requires fast focusing motors to be put in.
Agree. thanks for the comment
I've used a lot of lenses, and my favorite to date remains the 24-105mm, so the announcement of this lens has honestly got me excited. F4.0 across that whole range is just fine by me.
I'll never sell my 24-105!
Could I use this on a Sony A-6400 and what is the crop factor for apsc
this is my favorite travel lens. sold my sigma 24-70 because it was just too much of a pain to carry around. the 20mm wide end is just... chefs kiss.
I’m literally about to sell mine for the same reason. It’s crazy that I just found out about this lens yesterday
For overall image quality and autofocus performance, which lens would you recommend?
Bought this lens. Love its versatility (no need to change lenses) and its lightweight. It is well stabilised with my ZVE1. These three key factor, makes you want to shoot more.
Drawbacks, less bokeh. 😊
Very interesting!
I have recently acquired the Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G lens too.
However, one thing is bothering me or rather I would like to clarify whether it is a general issue with this lens or whether it is a defect specifically with my lens. The lens makes a noise when focussing (with autofocus).
By the way, the volume of the noise varies depending on the aperture setting. At f/4 the noise is very minimal, almost inaudible. From f/4.5, however, it is clearly audible. And the higher the aperture number (for example f/13), the longer it takes to focus and the longer the noise lasts. However, these differences are small.
I am not yet familiar with focusing noises from lenses recently released by Sony. For example, the new Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G and the new Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II are 100% completely silent. The older Sony FE 18mm f/1.8 G, on the other hand, also makes the noise described above, if I remember correctly.
Does your lens also make this noise? Many thanks in advance!
hi, how do yo see this that lens with sony fx30? thanks and good video
Im trying to decide between this lens and the Tamron 20 40 - I want to get it with the A7R5, but Im not sure if the A7R5 will deliver reasonable results indoors at events
Thinking about adding this to my kit. i shoot with all manual focus primes (Loxia 21,35,50,85 Voigtlander 15, 110) and they are great but i need a zoom lens for those times when changing lens isn't ideal. the 20-70 range is what i shoot most of anyways.
I have an fx30, will this lens be still on 20mm?
Hi Jason...I have 3 choices this Sony 20-70 F4, the Sigma Art 24-70 2.8 or the Sony 24-105 F4. Which do you recommend more?
I disqualified the Tamron 28-75 F2.8 G2 because the built quality might not be as high as the Sony and Sigma.
which one you went with and was it worth it ?
Using the Sony 20-70 lens what Focal Length are you filming at on the timeline at 5:36?
OR did you crop in the post to get that close?
OR is it a MACRO feature on this lens?
Fx30 has crop sensor and for 100-120 fps it does additional 1.56 crop. So final crop is 2,34 what is equivalent to 163 mm on FF
Jason! Thanks for a balanced discussion! I think this new Sony 20-70 is the lens to make friends! I won’t be shooting at night, and moderate background blur, sir!
Happy new subscriber here.
An aperture of 2.8 or 1.6 gives the lens great versatility. During the day, take photos outdoors and in the evening/night, photograph a concert. I understand that having everything is impossible, but it would be beautiful if it were so.
agree. This is where those people buy GM lenses and not this lens
@@JasonMorrisphotocinemayes but the price difference is great, 20-70 f4 is 50% cheaper
Awesome review mate! I see F4 as an advantage here when you are doing street/documentary-style photography. Where you want to focus on the subject but also at the same want to have that soft film style bokeh.
Hey Jason, great take on the Sony 20-70mm. I know its a year old but I just got my hands on an A7IV (body only) and I'm looking to buy my first lens. My options are either the Tamron 28-75mm G2 or the Sony. I would consider myself to be a street/travel photographer. Any advice?
I think this lens, with this spec, has a very decent price ($1099) for what it offers as a SONY G lens. It is actually an upgrade for 24-70 f/4 and parallel to 24-105 f/4 IMO. I don't know why people are saying that it should be f/2.8 or 20-105/f4, in that case, it will be huge and much more expensive! The first thing for a lens in my mind is always price and weight, unless you don't mind something like a Canon 28-70 f/2.
So this lens should be a perfect option for those who needs a zoom for landscape or indoor shooting. It is a fantastic lens and deserves more praise.
Bought this lens, it is truly the one lens for do-it-all. It ticks all the boxes of lightweight, versatility and sharpness. Plus you can get a decent bokeh if you go 70mm. Good close up shot. Pair it with ZVE1, you will have no issue with lowlight.😊
My friend, if you shoot in dark church wedding or baptism with f4 lens you will get into trouble!
100% grabbing this. I work full time on a documentary style home reno show and this is perfect! Shot a full season on the fx9 and while I primary used a 24-70 f2.8 I found myself shooting at F4 for the most part.
Focus is easier to grab in the run and gun environment and I don’t need to crush the background all the time. Given the amazing low light performance of new sensors I value range more than that extra stop of light.
Also got the chance to try out the DZO catta zooms which were awesome, but just not wide enough at 35mm and I like having push button autofocus.
Edit: I find myself in tight spots a lot so I’d go for this over the 24-105 F4.
Why not the 18-105 F4 ? Its wider and longer?
@@mVisualProductions isn’t it apsc? With crop factor that puts it at roughly 28mm FF equivalent.
I shoot full frame anyways so the 18-105 wouldn’t do me any good.
@@kirkstuckless ah thats right it is for aspc that makes sense why they made it
@@mVisualProductions yeah that 18-105 is great lens though for the apsc users out there!
Well said Jason. That's a brilliant and uniquely practical all-in-one lens. I can't understand why people are whining about the F/4, or the price. Nobody complains about the 24-105, 24-70, 16-35 etc F/4 offerings from all the brands, and those lenses' RRP prices are not that different.
I bought a zve1. I’m in need of a do it all lens for video. Should I go for this or the Tamron 20-40?
Had the same question and same camera as you. Last month i bought the 20-70mm lens. Really happy to have bought it. Did you buy the same lens? Or did you go for Tamron 20-40mm? If you did how was your experience?
@@Mraz75 no ended up with 16-35 f4 G and the Tamron 28-75 2.8. Both amazing lenses
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How much is the GM 24 -70 II? maybe they sould do a variable lens like the sigma 35-150. A 20 - 70 2.8 - 4. But then again it might be too expensive. a 20-50 2.8?
Great review Jason! I completely agree with you about the f4. I may even sell my 24-105 to get the 20-70. I hear it is even sharper and that may make it worth it if there is a real difference.
Trading reach for a bit of sharpness is not a good idea for me. You can increase perceived sharpness in post, but you can't get more range unless you scale and that will cost you much, much, more sharpness
@TheDigitalGuerrilla Well, if the 20-70mm is really sharp, and you have the A7R IV or V, then you can switch to APS-C mode and the 70mm becomes 105mm (at 26MP). It's like having a 20-105! So, you can get the 105mm reach with the 20-70, but what you can't get is go wider with the 24-105.
@@adamadamis Breat idea! I have an A7iv so that would work well!
@@TheDigitalGuerrilla great point! I hadn’t though of that. To be honest, the 24-105 is really sharp on my A7iv
Meant Great lol
Nice review !!
Getting this lens next week for my Airshow ground shots
Absolutely agree with you man ! Nice review bro !
thanks my bro
Was debating this lens … but went with the Tamron 20-40 f2.8. Ya it doesn’t have the range as the 20-70 f4, but it gives me the width and 2.8. It’s all a balancing act.
exactly my though process also! The 2.8 gave me more opportunities to take pics at night (which i never thought i would ever). But I couldnt really do that with the 20-70f4
I’ve used the 24-105 f/4 for years, but it’s grown heavy. The 488 grams is what’s attractive to me. If anyone has buyer’s remorse, I’ll buy yours.
I do mostly cloudscape/landscape, but occasionally wildlife. I think what I really need for my a7IV is the 70-350.
haha yes the 24-105mm is definitely hefty
if you cant carry a 24-105 then maybe stop eating and hit the gym or something
@@papsny wtf
@@maortheyoungcameraguy175 Coming from an experience of carrying a 880g Samyang 135mm lens before, papsny is right. It's part and parcel of an amateur photographer to be able to tolerate heavier lenses. If one cannot even carry a kit lens, then perhaps one is better off with a compact digital camera? Lol.
In my opinion, f4 is not a deal breaker for the ease of use factor of OSS. Also, I think people should start approaching backgrounds like they do lighting; organize your shoots and shots with intentionality. You should focus more on composition instead of how much bokeh you’re getting. In my opinion, the overuse of bokeh is the new telltale of an amateur.
brilliant comment
The 20-70 doesn’t have OSS though.
@@liamriley9816 yeah, the 24-105 was briefly mentioned, that's the one I was I referring to
@@liamriley9816doesnt have to
@@powerArmor9Ok? Do you not actually read the comment threads properly before you respond? 😂
When out yesterday and shot Tamron 28-75 g2 with trading for Sony 20-70 in mind. I was surprised that I rarely shot f2.8 and often would have liked to have had wider perspective. Most shots were at 28mm and would have liked more, few at 75mm and I can go to crop mode if I need more. I agree with you that 20mm is the big deal with this lens -- it's on my buy list.
This 20-40 f4 lens is just genious. I'm coming from Sony APS-C and my 16-55 f2.8 (equivalent to 24-83 f4.2 on FF) was for me the best always-on travel/ hiking lens so far. But the 16mm was often not wide enough. Now Sony manages to replace this APS-C combo with even significantly more wide angle in a similar weight and form factor on full-frame which is absolutely amazing. Sure, "only" F4, but that's equivalent to f2.8 on APS-C and that was for me always perfectly fine for a travel/ landscape lens. Small weight just counts when you are traveling/ hiking. The price is the only downside of this lens. Here in Europe Sony wants to have 1.300€ (which is 1.380 USD or 2.150 AUD) unfortunately, which is much more expensive than in the US. That's too much. I will wait until it is on sale sometime.
I prefer f/4 for normal portraits anyway. f/2 or above is for special beauty effects. And, if you want blurred background, there is also the option of using a much longer lens, like 135mm.
Sony seems to be working on making more compact lens for their cameras. I like the PZ 17-35 f/4's compact size and find it works well on the FX30 and A7R V for video use. The 20mm end of the 20-70 f/4 is something useful for when you want to get a wide view shot of video however, it does compromise a bit for low light use. Most people shooting professionally, will have f/2.8 down to f/1.4 lens, for their needs. That person with a lower budget, would welcome this, even if it is f/4. The power zoom feature would have been a nice addition for this lens. If they made this a f/2.8, it would end up being bigger and cut into their sales of the 24-70 f/2.8 GMII, which is a new lens. I suspect this will be their new kit lens, much in the way Nikon has a really sharp and well performing 24-70 f/4 S. Sony's G line lens perform quite well, while being a step down from their GM line but, having similar features. I think this is a good buy.
I'm curious to see what else Sony brings out this year in terms of lens.
I have the f4 24-105 almost permanently fixed on my a9. I would love this new lens but it gives me pause it doesn't have OSS
So it doesn’t have OSS but the at 20mm you can deal with the crop from stabilizing in post. Something to consider.
price?
Couldn't agree more. When I saw the announcement I couldn't figure out who this lens is for since we already have quite a few of Sony native lenses covering this focal range. Not to mention 3rd party glass.
thanks for commenting
Hey Jason - I just purchased and it came in today.... Sony - FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS Standard Zoom Lens (SEL24105G/2) - Should I keep it or go with this new lens you just showed? Or...should I keep it and get this one also lol....
Keep the 24-105mm. If you really need a wide lens I suggest get a wide lens to pair with this
What about, comparison with sigma 28-70 f2.8 DG DN
About sharp, autofocus, size, weight etc 🙏🏼
I fancy this one. I shoot landscapes so usually at f8-11. Now I can leave behind my wide angle just take this and my 10-400 alls good. Great video 👍🏼
its small and lite too. i think ppl forget that lot of ppl dont always shoot at f2.8 and have different needs.
very valid point here! thanks for commenting
Wanna get this lens but here in the Netherlands it will be around 1600 euros wich costs even more then 24-70 gm I and sigma 24-70
ouch. fair call on the price
honestly, once you've had a 24mm, a 20mm is quite different imo so it's nice to have a 20mm if you have that use-case for it but f/4 kind of turns me away from the lens. I would only use this during the daylight or under good lighting conditions. Low light, this might not be enough.
For family travel, I often shoot F4 or smaller aperture. Why? To show the background of the place we've traveled to, and to keep all the family members in sharp focus! Pair this with some small primes and it is good to go for me!
I agree with you. Family photography needed f4 and more aperture because of depth of field. If you shoot 4 people with 2.8 you probably have a shot with one or more people out of focus.
When I need a wider angle than 20mm, I rely on the Voigtlander Super Wide-Heliar 15mm f/4.5 Aspherical III. For close-up shots, I use the FE 90mm f/2.8 Macro G OSS. However, the FE 20-70mm f/4 G is my go-to zoom lens for most situations. It's the best zoom lens I've ever owned and it's perfectly suited to my needs.
Got it on preorder, 1000% sold on this 😂
What a great summary
thanks
Jason, love your videos and your attention to details that not many reviewers consider. On the topic of background separation, I was thinking through what you say in this video about sufficient separation, and then I noticed the wonderful background separation you have in your A-roll for this video.
What lens, focal length, and aperture are you using for this?
It looks terrific, and this is certainly a good example of enough, not too much.
My issue with the f/4 is that if I were to pair it with FX30 which is a Super-35, I lose the background separation on both the sensor front and also on the aperture front. But the cost is indeed enticing.
I disagree about the cost -- the price should definitely be below $1k USD. I literally can't think of a single person that would be willing to drop the MSRP on an f/4 kit lens that has horrible distortion at 20mm. I'm pretty sure the 24-105 f/4 that has optical steadyshot is right around the same price as this lens but is justified bc of the extended zoom range (that is entirely usable because it doesn't have insane distortion at one of the ends) as well as having optical stabilization.
I had the same before I bough the 16 - 35mm f2.8 for my fx30
I shot all the photos and videos with the FX30
cool video brav, made me think to get this lens too ... and Army of Dead was something different and beautiful cinema even tho it was shot with strong Shallow Depth of Field but still it was visually beautiful
It was an interesting film haha
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema 😂🤘🤘🤘
I bought this to replace my lens kit 28-60 f4-5.6 on my a7cii, the lens kit is not sharp at all ! This was a perfect replacement with more focal length range.
I'm surprised it does not have OSS. My other Sony 70-350 G does for $100 less. Still interested in this lens though.
This or the Tamron 20-40mm f/2.8?
My question is... If I already have the 20mm G f/1.8 (and the Zeiss 55 f/1.8) is this lens worth switching to or should I get the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and keep the prime?
Which’s your choice at last, I also got a 55 1.8
i've never been that interested in 24-105 because i just don't think that difference between 70 and 105 is not that big to compromise on f stop. 20-70 on the other really hand made me thinking about ditching my samyang 24-70 2.8 for it and 55 1.8 (if i for some reason would be in need of bokeh)
If it were 2.8 it would have beem game changing. Even if its 20-60 (though 70 is kinda cool)
But whysony is not releasing 28-60 f2. It would be insta grab
agree it would be game changing. the size of it would be crazy. Hope sony can release the 28-70mm F2 competitor lens to canon
I’m landscape primarily. I bought the faster 2.8 lenses just in case I wanted to branch more into other photography.. but I just haven’t. So I’m rethinking my gear because carrying around bag that’s probably aver 35lbs just ain’t it when I stop down to f5.6 or even more in most my shots.
Sold my 24-105 and have this one on order!
Great.
I have recently acquired the Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G lens too.
However, one thing is bothering me or rather I would like to clarify whether it is a general issue with this lens or whether it is a defect specifically with my lens. The lens makes a noise when focussing (with autofocus).
By the way, the volume of the noise varies depending on the aperture setting. At f/4 the noise is very minimal, almost inaudible. From f/4.5, however, it is clearly audible. And the higher the aperture number (for example f/13), the longer it takes to focus and the longer the noise lasts. However, these differences are small.
I am not yet familiar with focusing noises from lenses recently released by Sony. For example, the new Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G and the new Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS II are 100% completely silent. The older Sony FE 18mm f/1.8 G, on the other hand, also makes the noise described above, if I remember correctly.
Does your lens also make this noise? Many thanks in advance!
@@SebastianWorldwide That was one year ago. I'm not sure why I said that - I don't have that lens. I bought the Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II about 10 months ago, and it is the best lens I have ever used. If I had that lens on order, I must have cancelled it after seeing this video. But I don't remember.
@@CockpitScenes Ah okay 😄 oh yes, the new 70-200 gm2 is really outstanding 👏🏻
This lens is already super expensive in Japan...about 184,000 yen. You can get the 24-105 and a 35mm f1.8 used for that price. And it is unstabilized.
The OSS does help at night and I like the 24-105 a lot. I am either using a 16-35 f4 (Zeiss) or a 35mm f1.8 G most of the time...I guess if I could pick this lens up for 110,000 yen, I'd go for it. I could pair the 20-70 with a 70-300 and be totally covered on wildlife and landscape trips.
it seems that people these days look at the F-stop first when purchasing a lens before they look at what "tool" they need for the job. You explained it very well, if you need F2.8 or 1.8 go buy the GM lens or primes and don't complain about cost, if you want a cheaper set-up go buy super 35mm not full frame.....maybe those who complain should go and learn about optics and how focal length / aperture work to effect depth of field.
agreed! thanks for this comment
There are a lot of uses for this range, personally I couldn't spend over 1k on a F4
Had the 24-105 in my basket but came across this lens just now……. I mainly do landscapes or town architecture occasional portrait (rare) I do pike to zoom on a landscape but I am used to using fuji 16-80 on an x series body, just picked ilup an A7iv last week so I am totally lost in picking glass, its only a hobby
A Jason Morris video a day is enough motivation to hit the gym.
haha love it
Perfect for watch nerds! This lens have awesome crisp close up photos without any CA (unlike tamron or sigma where it i visible even with higher F stops) Product photos are also good with this one
Something that approaches a "full frame superfast zoom" starting at 20mm would be the canon CN-E 20-50 T2.4 (so probably around F2.0) and it's MASSIVE.
For green screen work you will get the best results from f/5.6 with the best corner-to-corner sharpness. This lens is on the list.
Great video. I wish the desire for 1.2/1.4/1.8 would stop already. We have enough of 1.4 lenses, it's time to produce quality 1.8 prime lenses or 2.8/4 zoom lenses. The lighter the kit, the more often one will use it.
I think the lens is a good option. Honestly, with Sony allowing 3rd parties to create lenses, the options are plentiful. Just another way for Sony to separate themselves from the competitors. Canon is falling behind in my opinion with the lack of RF class and their price points.
big key here with the sony ecosystem
u said 4 years ago this is LENS to MUST HAVE
In my country, in middle Europe, price of this lens is 1/4-1/3 higher than Sigma 24-70. And it's twice as expensive as Sigma 28-70 and Tamron 28-75. And all are f/2.8. I don't think that those few mm less on wide side will be a dealbreaker in most cases, this could very few specific cases like inside building. Maybe some pro photo-/videographers will go for it because those G and GM lenses have opinions of being really tough. But for most people, who don't make a lot of money out of it, it will be definately too expensive; at this point you better get 2 other glasses for the same price.
This argument about Canon lens... I agree, it would be big and heavy. But keep in mind it was lens for DSLR. Lenses got much smaller and lighter in mirrorless era.
The canon 28-70mm f2 is a RF mount lens. It is designed for mirrorless cameras. That lens is huge because of the f2 capability.
Your absolutely right.. I studied fine art and I'm a tattoo artist by trade and photography for fun.. Every time I show non photographers Images from 1.8 to 4.0 they like the 4.0 and even 5.6 images.. Photographers have been brain washed by insane bokeh thinking its artistic.. You can get great bokeh with 100mm-200mm at 5.6... I do think in film it is important though.. but not photography .. Ask your self how many painters paint with blown out of focus back grounds.. Light natural softness is good enough.. save your money on those overpriced 1.4.. trust me average people don't give a dam.. 2.8 - 4.0 is fine.. Also don't forget social media freaks want to show there environment to brag were they are.. Would your client want to show themselves with an awesome Brooklyn bridge, waterfall, floral landscape backdrop or a mushy mess of oohhhh BOKEEEEH... The Photography industry brain washed you guys.. lol..
*It's a Nice Lens, BUT since I'm getting the FX30 and Already have the 11mm f1.8 and Will be getting the 10-20mm which I think is perfect for me for Vlogging and as I don't Care much for Photo's in that sense of needing to take Pics I think My Sigma 16mm, Sony 11mm & Sony 10-20mm will be perfect for me. This lens seems a bit Much for me and it still looks too big for me*
I actually agree with everything you said, but the price is what's throwing me off. Maybe the only person I could see purchasing this lens is a landscape photographer that only shoots during the day time. I just don't know why you would pick this over a 16-35 (f/4 or 2.8), over a wide (AF or manual) prime that could cover astro work too, or over a Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 (who cares about native autofocus when you are stopping down and shooting wide for landscapes?) Drop the price to $800-900 (or lower) and maybe it enters the conversation for budget options if people need to go wider than 24mm. At least for me it's incredibly rare that I go from needing to be wider than 24 while also being able to zoom into something like 70, so I'd rather go with the other options I mentioned than spend the money on this lens.
Sony did their research but like always people will cry about the price.
@@takoflame4948 True, that's why I buy the G Masters!
super valid answer in regards to price
My friend, with Sony 20-70 f4 you can shoot not only landscape. You can do all wedding day.
Anyone thinking about getting this lens for video it is amazing, especially paired with the FX3. I don’t feel the need for the F2.8 especially not for the price for the GM2. Really amazing and has blown me away with the versatility. And I traded the sigma 24-70 for this lens.
this looks perfect lens for vlogging . 24mm with stabilization is too tight for selfie..
Totally agree!
100% 🤘🏻✨✨✨
That's right, 70-200 G have that same situation
I think I have PTSD from using kit lenses that were 3.5-5.6. Even 2.8 can be too dark for indoor or night. That’s just me though. Not a fan of bumping up ISO too high.
We are all waiting for a new 16-35 f2.8 GM 😂 NEED to save our money lol
I am sure it will be coming soon
i find it funny that the sigma 28-45 f1.8 came out and im watching this video rn and you are glazing a f1.8 zoom lens hahaha
Nice but you shoulda shot this video with the F4 lens. 😀
😂 touché
Sony 24-70 f2 is ganna be a BIG BOY! 😮
Great video review and I have finally got a copy of the Sony 20-70mm F4 lens. The performance is absolutely stunning. In terms of pairing with a prime lens , what would be the ideal recommendation - a 50mm, 85mm or a 35mm ? The intention is used for Travels, Landscape, Street, Architecture and some portraits
If 20 mm is a must, I can see that people may overlook the F4 limitation, for my type of use (mostly indoor events) , the best bang for the money is the Tamron 28-75 2.8 , it is a great lens. This lens IMO is overpriced for an F/4
It cost the same as a Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 Art, though it is a heavy lens at 875g but I just need a thick, padded shoulder strap will do.
2070非常棒，適合錄影
Wait, not OSS? :/
Because when your vlogging you want 2.8. there's no other explanation. When your vlogging you don't carry lights around with you. And I don't understand why Sony will go through making all of these great low light sensors with high dynamic range and then put on lenses of f4. Especially on the aps-c line. I have the f x 30. And I absolutely love it by the way but the 16 - 55 is not quite as wide as I would like it to be for vlogging. So when Sony came out with 10-20 f4 I was just frustrated. The fx30 exposes almost perfectly as a human eye would at f 2.8 and ISO 800. So that means I can't use the new power zoom indoors at all. Because you don't want to use the second base ISO if you're not going to be able to reduce the light in post. The only other option is the 11 mm prime and because I love shooting landscape photography I've never been a fan of prime. So now I have to go buy the Tamron 11 to 20. I do love a nice zoom lens and focal length is a big deal, but if it's not 2.8 I don't want it.. let's not forget the obvious fact that everybody strives for bouquet with portraits. Meaning nobody's going to be buying this lens for portraits. I absolutely love Sony cameras and the fact that they let third-party companies have their specs four lenses. But I'm hating their decision to come out with these F4 power zooms and super small lenses with crazy focal lengths. Tamron made that 11-18 f2.8 years ago. Why Sony hasn't released one baffles me. They should have had a counterpart with that power zoom.
fair call on the tamron 11-20mm lens
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema ultimately I would be okay with F4 if I were using the full frame system. It's just not bright enough with a PSC. I'm hoping that their efforts in making these smaller lenses that we might see improvements in speed later in the future.
why are so many people addicted to bokeh? not every photo should be shot wide open. most landscape photos are shot at f/11-f/16. this lens is almost like having a 16-35 and 24-70 in one. therefore it's cheaper, lighter, and smaller to carry.
Probably because they don't know how to compose a good photo.
Yeah... almost. Except those 4mm on the wide end which make a huge difference.
No, you’re not crazy. I believe people are really too enamored with blurred backgrounds without understanding how to compose an image
haha thank god
i have the 24-105 f4 and the difference of the 20-70 f4 is 1 full step back. Just get a 24-105
A really interesting lens but (Im from Germany) the price tag ist 1.600€. Thats way to much. In the USA its "only" about 1.000 bucks and thats a price I would buy this lens. But for 1.600? No way...
Very valid point! Thanks for this
Budget/hobby shooter and Lumix shooter here (m43!) chiming in about the depth of field discussion: The low 'A good f stop is a low f stop' mentality is a product of CZcamsr gear culture. When I learned about high end/luxury wedding films being shot almost exclusively on 24-105 and 70-200 F4s for the outdoor/ceremony and then going for the extreme 1.4 and 1.2 primes for the receptions or darker preps.. it really drove home the idea of using the proper gear for the environments.
The problem for me, as someone who exclusively goes to to CZcams for education/inspiration is the likes of Ray Roman, East West, Sculpting with Time... the top tier high end luxury wedding filmmakers aren't youtubers.. so the only way to learn about their selection and process is to ask or sign up for their course. If you're lucky, you see their kit loadout in an IG story or something. Anyway, just my 2 cents. Again, I'm nobody from nowhere so grain of salt to anyone reading this. I know weddings aren't everyones cup of tea!
Btw I still like your content @JasonMorrisphotocinema even though I'm not a sony dude. I own sony audio recorders if that counts haha.
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absolutely agree with low light at weddings. It is tough to control the environment and that is where fast primes are very useful
too bad i had purchased my 16-35 F4 and my 24-70 F2.8, if not this will be a good range, as sometime i use 20mm if i need wide, seldom used 16mm. 2.8 if good to have when you need it.
24-70mm f2.8 can't be beat here. specially paired with the 16-35mm f4
I’m going to need coffee and beer
I’m going to need one to read these comments 😂
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema HAHAHAH My man too funny
Tamron 20 - 40mm F2.8 for me, F4 is to limiting
I seriously considered buying this lens. I have the 24-105mm Sony lens, which I love, and decided instead to purchase the 16-35mm f4 pz lens instead of the 20-70mm f4. I am an older guy, always travel with two camera bodies (A1 & A7R V) and usually the 24-105mm f4 and Sony's 100-400mm lens. I spend a lot of time in the field and want to keep the weight of my bag at a manageable level. As you note, it is easy to push the ISO especially when shooting wildlife when I am often shooting at f9 and with a very high shutter speed. So an f4 lens that is very small, fits easily in my bag adding very little weight. If we were talking astro shooting, I use the very small 14mm f1.8 which weighs only 460g. So, Jason's perspective makes perfect sense to me.
The cost of a 20-70mm f1.4 would be ridiculous cost... ! Nothing wrong with f4.
Very valid point my friend
For me the biggest difference between those lenses is that you in order to mantain the same exposure with the f4, you will have to double the amount of ISO and that for me is a deal breaker, that limits me in a lot of situations, is no the same image at 4000 ISO as at 8000 ISO
What people are missing is that this lens is PROOF OF CONCEPT.
So many Sony shooters piss and moan about lenses being too big and too heavy. Those who don't do this at least semi-professionally don't realize that lens weight is not a bad thing. And this little lens clocking in at 1lb and as small as it is? Sony achieved a major goal here, and the awesome thing is that it's something that may pave the way for, say, an 18-70 f/2.8 FE lens or similar. I'm waiting for the next year of innovation to see what other cool ideas stem from this.
Wake me up when Sony drops a 16-40 2.8 to f2 (like the tamron 35-150) with the 25-40 range being f2 like the batis primes. Slap in some close focus and we got a lens to crown king. Till then I’ll just keep dreaming.
F4 is F2 on MFT😊