The "Dumbest" AoE2 Islands Game Ever
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- THIS WILL GO DOWN IN ISLAND HISTORY... This is one of the dumbest and most brilliant games I've ever seen. TheViper (Malay) fell behind on water and had less relics and there was seemingly no way he could come back against Hera (Japanese).
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*2nd dumbest islands game ever. Can't possibly be dumber than that one game where the dude put three archery ranges on a neutral island
Beat me to it lol
Was expecting a comment like this when I saw the title, I am not disappointed.
Lmao!
Yeah, nice try T90, not going to slip this one past us.
which one was that?
*Everyone:* Hera, create several Cannon Galleons to end the game at the 36', before Viper make use of his infinite Fish Traps.
*Hera:* No, I prefer the more prone to lose Trebs. Who cares if it's water map.
*Viper:* I will balance his decision by achieving 0 vills.
Don't need villagers. The swordsmen mate with each other.
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Dramatic reenactment:
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A perfect example of why the UK has no large forests anymore, we spammed too much navy! :)
islands map sucks.
That was incredibly accurate lmao
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I don't mean for this to go dark, but this game is like a horrendous tale of environmental collapse. Decades of in-game time were spent fighting and dying over who gets to chop the last precious couple of trees.
Other than the fact that trees don’t grow back in AoE:II
What they should have done is rush mangonel and bring it to the other's island and deforest their island with it, they'll run out of wood before you can chop half your island.
Total Deforestation and relics. It's basically like the history of the Easter Island!
Dune, but with trees as opposed to spice.
everyone: lets make farms to transform wood into food
viper: nah i take free food to turn it into wood.
hey, some math for this insanity.
relics give .5 gold per second. hera had 3, so that's 1.5 gold per second. if he took viper's 2 relics, that'd be 2.5 gold per second.
EDIT: whoops, mistakes were made. the numbers I used were old. 6 years old. dammit google. spirit of the law lists them as much higher (his malay overview video). AoCStats lists them as somewhat lower than SotL's (using the HD gather rates), but the tests were also done a year before SotL's, so maybe some tweaks were made between then. I'll use both numbers, just in case, though. AoCS: .425 f/s. SotL: .48333 f/s. formate will be AoCS/SotL.
using these new numbers, we find that the gold generation rate of a fish farm is .07225/.0821666. compared to relics, AoCS states you would need 7 fish traps per relic, while SoTL's gives a *veeeeeery* slight edge to relics with 6 traps per relic (they're just about the same, exact numbers are 6.9204/6.0852 per relic). altogether, that the malay player would need 21/19 traps to overwhelm 3 relics, or 35/31 traps to overwhelm 5 relics. viper had 48.
so in other words, viper was actually producing 3.468/3.944 g/s. that's more than double hera's production. malay fish traps stronk(2).
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fish traps generate 20 food a minute, or .333 food a second. the lowest sell rate is 100 food for 17 gold, meaning, if you were to sell all the food you get for gold, the traps would be generating .05666 gold per second. really low, right?
viper had 48 fishing ships gathering from fish traps. .05666*48 is 2.72 gold per second. this isn't even factoring in the fact that having 2.5 gold worth of materials is actually more useful than having 2.5 gold (if you need food and generate food, you're good, but if you need food and generate gold, you incur a loss). food's not gonna build him any ships, of course, but both hera and viper were making food units (light cav vs 2H-swordsman)
even if hera managed to steal viper's last 2 relics, he didn't stand a chance. so long as the malay player has *at least* 45 fish traps (9 traps per relic), you can not outlast them. as it was, viper had almost twice the resource generation hera had. malay fish traps stronk.
hey man, I do the math for math's sake, not for the attention lol
also, whoops, mistakes were made. editing original comment with the correct numbers.
none taken. if anything, thanks to the comment I remembered to check back and found my mistakes lol
Very interesting
@Casrett o...k? and your point is....?
@Casrett the point of the calculations was to show that even IF hera had all 5 relics, viper would still have more gold income than hera. the fact that hera couldn't grab them doesn't change that at all.
Thats why you go for portuguese, you can't ever run out of resources with them. Feitoria for the win!
(Without mentioning that they are also a very good water civ)
They couldnt pick portuguese, because this was the balanced cup
ive just tryed it once but feitoria is op, im still thinking that aoe needs more variety like more unique buildings like feitoria but just for one resource, wooden forts etc
Feitorias are reason #1 why we had to let the pros at Microsoft take over from the amateur hacker developers.
@@Alexander-mr4yw wthack i feel dumb when i dont understand
@@Alexander-mr4yw the ones who programmed DE are the same fans who made HD and its expansions xD
I wanna say Hera should have commited for the market with not only his cavalry but his villagers too but then again, Hera had no way to know Viper had no villagers left.
He could have checked his castle for the cost of spies, no? He’d know if Viper has less than 2 villagers for sure.
@@whoopdeedoodude The price of spies depends on fishing ships, trade and villagers
I think after a while he would have figured it out after viper never picked up the relics
26:15 "yeah its gg" - Monfoo
i didnt know :O
top 10 anime lies
i hate people like that who calls gg too early..
Legendary game. I was privileged to see this miracle happen live. It's hard to believe it actually happened. We watch this game to experience events like this.
You played for two hours to die like this?
I can't believe Viper won this... there were many moment where I thought, "yeah...its a gg now.." I was so sure Hera will win this. Viper will literally comeback from nothing.
Am i really gonna watch this game for the third time from another perspective hell yeah
Sweet. I'm 2/3 finished, gotta see Hera's now
Same here :)
Viper's perspective is the best. Nili and dave did a great job too. Dave called the no villager win scenario very early. This is my 4th watch after seeing memb cast😅
Crater lake is interesting. It's like a strange mix of islands and BF, yet allows you to be more aggressive early game than either.
This game is basically the entire Starcraft II pro scene in 2012.
Oh, now I understand why Hera feels about islands the way he does.
I witnessed it live and it was glorious.
Viper finally realising he was out of vils and had no monastery left was classic.
Ok
I don't know why it's really funny when T90 said *_"Jesus Cav"_* xD
T90: I don’t like sandwiches, but I love SUBS!!
Thank you T90 for never clickbaited us
The math: Fish trap collection rate is about 15 food per minute. With a sell rate of 100 food for 14 gold, that's about 2 gold a minute per fish trap. That makes 15 fish traps equivalent to a relic, which gives 30 gold per minute.
@@blaubeer8039 This is from a 2014 Spirit video and I think it includes Gilnets but it might be slightly different due to updates.
Good point about guilds; I had just assumed Malay don't get guilds but apparently they do.
@@zacharytaylor2423 gillnets has always made you fish faster. Its ~4.25 gold per fishing trap per minute, or 7 fishing traps per relic.
Also, how were they playing malay in 2014 exactly, 2 years before rajas? Also also, base fishing rate was doubled in 2013 with forgotten,
I can tell you the exact moment Viper won.
When he lured Hera's navy behind Hera's island so he could reclaim the water by amassing a stronger navy.
I saw that, and my immediate thought was "Viper just won. That's GG."
11:43
I bet T90 thought that was on the neutral island for a moment.
Constructive feedback to mr T90: Please add the tournament information like "FCC final" in the title. Right now I was choosing wether to watch this "dumb" islands game or to watch the second game of FCC final on twitch. I thought that the FCC final can wait so I chose this one. But once clicking this video I realize that the choices were the same since both are FCC final, except that this one spoils the result for the second FCC finals game(which I haven't yet watched, and now don't care to watch). So please, give more relevant information in the title. Sure "dumbest game ever" and similar titles are surely awesome for the youtube view numbers. But it also now did lead to an unhappy viewer, since the ill-informed decision led to a weird order to view the videos and that led to spoilers
im sorry but, at that point like 26 minutes in and hera had a siege workshop on his island and making rams and trebs that was the stupidest moment in the game. it looks like the logical reponse, but what if he made onagers? easily shot down trees worth 3000-4000 wood.
He needed the wood for himself. I think he needed to invade Viper's island properly and clear out houses and barracks, plus the market. If he could snipe the market when Viper only has 149 wood, that's the win.
"Fish and chips", making me hungry bruh.
"Full Bo7 will be added to descirpition soon." -T90Official 17th Feb 20202
"Full Bo7 will be added to descirpition soon." - Still there, 4/30/2021
Still no Bo7 in the description, either.
"Full Bo7 will be added to the description soon." -T90Offical
Still there 21/04/2024
The value of the Malay fish traps isn't just to sell food, it's to get food income that doesn't cost wood unlike farms.
Garrisoning a single villager or placing the monastery next to the castle would've shortened this a lot. That double ship sandwich was great though. The Malay harbor upgrade is one of my favorite technologies... on sea maps.
Maybe Hera should have raided the houses. Make viper pop capped so he had to delete fishing ships
Holy shit, you're right.
Half of Vipers houses were next to harbours, not to mention 40 pop would be from the 2 castles he has. Killing houses wouldn't have done anything.
OML my brain is having a hard time, OR am just hungry,
when he says "Fishing Ships" my brain is hearing "Fish and Chips" LOL
Legendary game. Bit disappointed with the tittle. So many better options.
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Watched this live and it's the probably the best game i never want to ever watch again. But every aoeii lover should definitely watch it once.
Viper is such a legend. No vills, no monastery, has to sell to buy and yet he still wins.
So just about down to the very last resource on the entire map. Good to know that this is what happens when only the infinite resources remain. :)
I can't believe I watched this from start to finish.
I came from the Daut vs. Hera one because you mentioned this XD
I have an idea for a nothing map.
Boom nothing.
The map is a normal islands.
Players can only make petards and the demolition ship line.
Petards get infantry upgrades and can be produced by barracks at feudal age.
It is almost crazy insane how similar tis game was to another game that I played with my best friend at the end of last year and that was hosted by a very famous German AoE-CZcamsr.
Shouldn't Hera send that last Canon Galeon at the end to the market of Viper and play the even longer long game?
51:10 I was thinking about these inactive swordsmen just watching the monastery get destroyed "guys, that was your paycheck in there, it's lost now"... Then I remembered they were forced levy and probably did enjoy seeing the monastery burn.
38:30 call an ambulance! ... but not for me!
As you said Viper planned Fish Traps from 45 mins, he saw the end coming before Hera did. If Hera had castled the spot he had his trebs and that tower he could of dopped a stable and spammed light cav directly onto vipers island.
he knew it way earlier .... for me it looks like viper chose japanese vs malay not by accident... he knew hera would go for japanese
@@weitsicht. I get why Viper chose Malay, but why does it matter that Hera chose Japanese?
@@Jimmy911ism gamemode was like 1 player chose 2 civs and the other one chose 1 of them .. japanese looks stronger on "meta" paper so i guess he just knew hera would go for japanese instead of malay i saw the whole set live and the vid is missing alot of info from inbetween the games
@@weitsicht. Who do you think wins out of Portuguese vs Malay in this situation?
Don't think you clickbaited this correctly. Should've made clear that **spoiler**
Viper won with 0 villagers remaining.
No vills for like 45 minutes lmao
"In some way" in the middle of all this *St Elmos Fire in brain for the next 48 hours* "You're a lot like meee, You're just a prisoner, just trying to break freeeeee" (Island prison break ep 1)
Now we have two unanswered questions. First: why didn't viper make more fishing ships to get more food income to sell? And second: why didn't he transport the swordsmen to take out the monastery?
Those will always be some of the biggest questions of the universe, no doubt.
fishing ships cost wood tho
17:25 is my favorite part.
The way to fight harbors is either Cannon Galleons, Trebs ranging them from nearby land, or landing a seige party. Preferably something that does a lot of damage quickly like rams, Onagers, or dare I say even Petards. Of course, you need to then follow up by using that opportunity to raid, so don't JUST send seige or it won't be cost effective.
I watches id on vipers POV. He planned this exactly like this from early Imp on. And he was confident, that he will win all the time. But it was halarious as he realized "Yeah i rebuild that monastary, np.... F***CK I have no vills anymore :-)" And I calculated it through. Viper got 20 food / trap per minute * 50 ships working. Thats 1000 food/min equal 170gold/min. Hear got 90 gold/minute from 3 relics. Thats just cracy how vipi thogth this through. Loved your comentary on it.
harbour should use 1 popspace. so you cant spam those
That was a BRILLIANT game! 😁👍
Ultimately the winning strategy was the choice of civilisation by The Viper. 😎
I'm not sure how he lost ALL his villagers though......... 🤔
When playing islands make sure to put a vil in a castle under heavy protection. If you're hera you gotta alpha strike and transport early
Collect gold with relics, get monk army and convert vessels from Viper..
Malay make really unique and funny games. As a noob, my funniest game was Malay vs Italians on arabia. I was so behind but I won by docking ponds and spamming food-only swordsmen. Of course Viper is like that, multiplied by 1000
in hidden cup islands you will have to build 3 archery ranges on the neutral islands
Are you going to upload the rest of the 2 v 2 series? I though it was 3 games to 1 on viper tatoh vs Hera liereyy
I thought so, too!
Nili*
Think Hera could probably have created monks and tried to convert galleons rather than making his own ships. Based on market price towards the end, he could have created around three monks for cost of one galleon and six monks for cost of one cannon galleon.
can anyone tell me why viper is moving his ships as a group? they always make stupid maneuvers when he retreats to get into formation and then get sunk in the process. he has no land army to speak of so why doesnt he just use the hotkey to move all military units? no groups hence no unnecessary movements and less losses.
T90: This is the dumbest Island game ever
HC4 finalists: We're gonna end this man's whole carreer
After seeing HC4 i consider this a normal Island game...
From 57:00 this turns into the end of Porco Rosso.
Loved the Final Countdown XD
Malayfishtraps, son. They harden in response to ultra-long games!
Why didn't Viper just land 2h swordsmen towards the end to take out the monestary? That would be too much wood you say, but wouldn't it just be wood for 1 transport to go back and forth?
On his stream Viper was asked why he didn't go for this strat. His answer was that it wasn't needed. He already knew that the game was won. Landing swords, not knowing where the market was, would have been spending ressources with no garanted return. The safer strategy was in his opinion to wear down Hera on water
Hera had probably less wood in his island cause it was smaller. Also the fact that Hera need to reseed his farms when Viper has Malay fistraps made wood difference massive.
this is probably the best game ive ever seen
Stop it. Water maps are my favorite. Makes the game a bit different and really it's the only maps I play usually.
Full Bo7 will be added soon...4 months later...
I don't think you can ever post an Islands game where people won't mention those archery ranges :D
Viper is still using map hacks.
It ends with world peace. World peace can only occur when some people are imprisoned and the others can't get to them.
(Yes, I know Viper could have gotten to Hera.)
Hera should have won that. Played way better, but had way less wood. Even with the middle wood and stealing some from viper he still chopped 4k less
how many siege workshops did they build on the neutral islands?
They are not jesuscav 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hand me rolling the floor laughing! 🤣🤣🤣
Fish and Chips I cant stop hearing that
why didnt hera just make a monk and convert? viper was definitely close enough and monks woulda been way cheaper, not to mention the fact that he coulda converted the cannon galleon, right?
Unlikely to survive long enough to make the conversion.
Sorry not a tie Viper can still beat Hera by killing every unit and building with those Cannon Galleons when/if he wins water. Hera can't push now that Castle is down so he *should* lose water.
Also Viper should of built castles close enough to hit anything landing on his island and still somewhat out of range of Galleons.
Edit: Also forgot along with T90-"has longswords he can never really fight with", when I read chat... Viper can make transport to send Longsword over, galleons were stopping that but now...
Transport is navy, wtf you talking about? also doesn't really need to build anymore galleons; as Hera only has 2 galleons while Viper has 9+? Should get at least 1 transport and cannon galleons as he need those to destroy buildings like the monastery. And the only cannon galleon he has is close to death.
Question: does it matter if you get aoe 2 definitve edition on steam or microsoft (key)? Can you still play online when you get it on the microsoft store?
it is irrelevant where you get it from, the online servers are the same
Water maps are THE most exciting kind, it's so much more strategic. Pilgrims and Islands= Excitment.
Pilgrims was my favorite for a long time
"Full bo7 will be added to description soon"... it's 6 days later how long is your "soon"?
Apparently over a year.
Can someone explain why viper couldn't build transport ships?
vipers map was perfect hera could be ranged from all sides I believe
Thanks to your videos I have made my opponent resign out of boredom. I walled his base in on Arena like Wall did hahaha. It's a 700 elo match.
Hera should’ve gone for Towers instead of Castles. Japanese towers outrange Cannon Galleons
Hera could have landed at anytime around 25:00-30:00. Viper has no land units. How did the rams not destroy his entire base??
Villagers
Vils and fast producing karambit
Vivi vs ACCM in the fair civs cup was also a SUPER AMAZING game. I watched it in the chinese stream and it's absolutely crazy. I hope you look into it. (warning: it is a long game ) (also, it's not clickbait, it is one of the most interesting games i've seen on islands for sure).
Isn't that the point of infinite traps? Infinite food. Resources add in islands very quickly right? After this game I feel like this viper civ is the best for this map. If you can stall the game you win... Maybe Hera misplayed it. The light cavalry was wasted food that could be used for wood or gold to me make more navy. Anyways, I really don't know... Italians are considered the best water civ...
if only hera knew viper had no villagers im sure he wouldve stolen those two relics, and probably just won via relics, if not before then. Interesting game non the less, if hera's island had more wood may have been different, but he did have the extra relic so tough to say. :D
He knew. The infantry presence on Malaysia was too much.
AoE a Chess game... Viper should garrison at least 1 vill
In the end he should’ve targeted houses with the cav then it doesn’t matter about his product he’d be pop capped
I heard T90 mention that Italians are banned on water maps for hidden cup. Why?
The skill entry is soo big, played my first 3 ranked online games today. I can beat extreme ai easily but got destroyed with quick walls, Maa rushes and towers
Your problem is you are trying to take a skill set that works against a computer whose actions are predictable against a actual human whose actions are unpredictable.
I'm also a noob but a little advice I could give you is to attack a little on the early game and boom behind even if only with a few maa or scouts, people at those levels react extremly badly to agression even if it is three maa or 4 or 5 scouts.
I got so used to it that now i can beat the computer on hard usually in castle age using aggresion and started to climb a little (i still suck a lot) and just started playing when DE released.
also build orders help a lot.
@@NathanCassidy721 well said
extreme AI way harder than average aoe game. getting destoyed by rushes is avoidable with outposts/good scouting. when you click up to feudal always wall as much as possible. i used to get destroyed by tower rushes but now I learned to defend pretty well.
watch hera's vidoe on that its very helpful
Talk about a throw away victory. I might be a noob but even I know trebs was a dumb idea
I've just watched this now, question is,where's the full bo7?
Pick Goths, get a few villager on enemy island, =>> win
Im sure you know this but at 33:36 since the Japanese pack up trebs faster, theres actually a bug where if you pack them up before their projectiles land they do no damage.
That bug was fixed in DE
1:01:42 T90 becomes T-Pain
This is exactly how my island games look against the AI
why viper did not just build hundred swordsmans with his unlimited food and transport them to heras i-sland and clear everything. Like in starcraft. building elimination :)
Only thing he can do is try to land and maybe take out vipers docks.
Why did viper not transport the two handed?
Malay is the only civ with "infinite" something. And it's mindblowing when it is actually used.
not really. actually every civ could get relicts. plus portugease have their feitoria
paddeler92 that’s true! I forgot about the Feitoria. Portuguese would have been an interesting choice for the end of this game
a lumbercamp for just one tree you can't make it up