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Mt. Ebal Curse Tablet: Fake or Real? (w/ David Schreiner)
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2023
- Recently, a paper was published claiming a Hebrew inscription was found from the bronze age, that has the name Yahweh. But is this accurate? The scholar, David Schreiner joins me to talk about this breaking news and also talk about his new book "Ahab's House of Horror"
Schreiner's new book: www.amazon.com...
Link to paper: heritagescienc...
I have become addicted to IP since I saw him on Pints with Aquinas. I'm very excited to watch this episode.
What's funny is I have been addicted to pints with Aquinas since he was on it.
@@Playsitloud1 But not Bud Lite?
U know IP is not Catholic: so glad you like him.
@@davidjanbaz7728 actually we don’t know for sure whether he is or isn’t. He’s refused to say since he doesn’t want to focus on Christian divisions.
IP? Nice . We shall call him IP MAN!!!
I think it is right to question and be skeptical of new "extraordinary" discoveries. To be fair to Dr. Stripling, he is following the academic standard. He did his research and published his findings for peer review. Now it is up to the scientific process to review and sift through the data. One's faith in the OT's reliability shouldn't rise or fall on whether this is truly an early curse tablet. It is way too early to cast aspersions or to leap to conclusions.
I agree 100% do not let your faith be shaken or enhanced by any discovery that is not backed by fact. I've learned this the hard way 😂 let the discovery be until other hands and eyes have explored it.
indeed, too many laughs in this interview to take them seriously. Neither of them are qualified archaeologists but believe themselves to be qualified to comment.
@@PC-vg8vn They are being rational and careful with the evidence. That attitude is both responible and respectable. It looks very bad on us Christians when we jump on an archeological find too quickly. I know I have
@@benjaminwatt2436 you are correct 💯
Yes. Let time be the judge.
Hey! That's my Hebrew professor! 🙂
Schreiner keeps talking about how things would "normally" be, but we have so few pre-paleohebraic examples. How can we speak yet of "normal"?
Ancient egypt and the bible has done a great vid too. Thanks IP
I have listened to interviews with Dr. Stripling. I think it would be amazing to have a sit down with both of these guys and have a discussion. I think that would be an amazingly fruitful discussion.
Right? Instead of talking bad behind his back. Disgusting.
OH ! Sadly, there is only one thumbs up !
That is what Michael Jones should have do a long time ago !!!!!!
The Christian way of doing things.
So this is the ancient equivalent of scratch paper?
As someone who has done work as a Field Tech on Archelogy sites David is right to be suspicious of what has been claimed. The lack of data of where everything was dug from specifically is a huge red flag. To put it into context, this would get you fired and black listed from further work yo. The second red flag is who published it, this was likely done to dodge reliable peer review. What is the intention behind it all? Possibly dope an investor/client/someone who gives funding to the dig. It's not that uncommon unfortunately.
They didnt just claim the age only the dirt piles without any further research.
@@therealmaskriz5716 But the dirt piles were recorded by previous researcher so there are fixed frame dates available. Also the place is confirmed as Mt. Ebal, this enough for what the authors are claiming. For all the nit-picking, the artifact still confirms the association of Mt. Ebal with courses and if the date were to be late then an archaic script would not have ben used. This is not today where you can look up ancient runes on wikipedia, if the writers of the tabler used archaic letters then the text is archaic. Later generations in antiquity had no real way to study archaic writing outside of Egypt or a high culture with ancient inscribed monument already standing there for some centuries to use for reference. But also ancient generations were not prone to use archic stuff just for the look of it, they liked to be up-to-date. Also the lead does help to date the tablet as there is a timeframe when this specific lead mine (from the mines of Laurion in ancient Greece as far I do understand) has been in operation.
The ancients, not having the wherewith to make themselves comfortable, execrated the winter season much more than the moderns. Hence their intense hate of this season so often expressed in their records.' Having demolished Ai (the old year), Joshua (the Sun) set up an altar in Mount Ebal (bare mountain = the dreary and desolate earth at the spring equinox), whence he delivered "the blessings and the cursings" (Josh, 8. 34), half the tribes standing on either side of him (Deut. 27.12, 13), "according to the book of the law." (Josh, 8. 34.)
Joshua next re-wrote the law of Moses in the presence of the children of Israel (the Sun being in Aries), who stood on both sides of the ark of the covenant (spring equinox) - half over against mount Gerizim (dividing), and half over against mount Ebal (stripping), i.e., half were below, and half above the equinoctial line. To these, summer and winter, Joshua read the "blessings and the cursings according to all that is written in the book of the law (Josh 8.34) - the blessings went to the summer; the cursings, to the winter side of the year.
@@harveywabbit9541 so what your saying is that the ancient Israelites wrote the tablet.. because they hated winter? I'm just a truck driver trying to figure out why everyone is fighting over an ancient postage stamp
@@daMillenialTrucker
The summer half of the tribes are the constellations Aries thru Virgo (this is the six days in Genesis one) aka spring equinox - autumn equinox. The winter half of the tribes are the constellations Libra thru Pisces (this is the six nights in Genesis one) aka autumn equinox - spring equinox. This is the basic division of the year and is constantly modified throughout the bible.
The writers often take the first night (Libra) and add it to the six days (months) to get the sacred seven months of crop production and harvest. The remaining five months become the hated winter season of great hardship. This is expressed by Revelation 9.5., where the scorpion (Scorpio) is the evil leader of this group (Scorpio thru Pisces). The seven months (not years) of building the Temple of God (your body) is this sacred seven. The "destruction" of the Temple is simply the end of summer and transition to winter.
There are other divisions of the year such as four months of Winter (Shem/Nahor), four months of Spring (Japheth/Abram), and four months of Summer (Ham/Haran).
YHW a known ancient abbreviation for Yahweh/Jehovah was found inscribed 4 times on the tablet, 2wice inside and out. Looking 4ward 2 seeing the outside inscription. I think they went about this in a very odd way not releasing the outside inscription as well, but we'll get it eventually, I reckon. The prohibition against uttering the Name YHWH isn't Biblical but comes from Rabbinical Judaism closer to the first century CE, and certainly Christians and non-Jews aren't bound by such traditions.
I've been fascinated with the Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions since I was a little kid in the early 90s. Then the Tel Dan 'House of David' inscription was found in 1993, heard about it on the radio as dad dropped me to school that morning, rushed home after school to monitor TLC and Discovery Channel (I think) back when TLC was actually cool, and would eventually get my hands on copies of the inscription to read for myself what I could. Ancient Hebrew was a weird hobby of mine or more specifically learning to read such inscriptions. Proto-Sinaitic always seemed suspiciously close to the Biblical Exodus period, I felt as a kid back then, so I've been waiting to see what might come of that. Seems to me, the emergence of the Alphabet from Egypt and into the Sinai and in Canaan follows the same path that the Bible says the Israelites took, and then of course, it catches on among the people of the Levant - at pretty much the time of the emergence of the Israelites in Canaan.
You should look into Ugaritic, then you might see that proto-Siniatic is definitely an evolution of Akkadian, not Egyptian. They are both Semitic languages, but the Egyptian writing system developed independently of the Akkadian system. Ugaritic is a clear link between Akkadian and Hebrew - it uses a limited set of glyphs, most of which directly correlate to hebrew phonemes, and look very much like traditional wedge pressed glyphs like Akkadian.
Maybe the tablet was formatted and then the observant filled it in to complete the ritual process. Our lack of ability to understand doesn't necessarily constrain the events.
As a Class A truck driver I can confirm, however, that idk what is even going on and why everybody is fighting over an ancient postage stamp.
It may be a novice hand writing on a novel substance in play. Writing on lead is far different than writing on parchment. Also, few books were available to describe the proper writing style. The novelty of script may have something to do with the practice.
Nope. But it does constrain what we put forward as a reliable model. It *could* be a curse tablet, it *could* be excess piece of trash material that happend to have a handful of character-like impressions pressed into it during its millenia of existence somewhere in the general area of Ebal from an unspecified time, it *could* be hitherto-unknown evidence of ancient bubble-gum usage.
As to what it *is* , responsible scholars have only two options: A) "I don't know, what do you guys think?" or B) "I have a demonstrably well-founded proposition that it is very likely or definitely X."
These people did neither. They didn't have the humility to say, "I don't know." Then, they put forward a very unlikely model, with nowhere near enough validating evidence, and made claims about its significance that would make herbal suppliment advertisers blush. Then, when even believing scholars dare ask obvious questions before swallowing it wholesale, they get attacked as virtual atheists.
This kind of intellectual laxity and uncritical gullibility toward anything we *wish* was true is not only directly preached against by Scripture itself, it's also how we end up with things like the Mormon Golden Plates and the Millerites' Great Disappointment.
Plenty of mixed up thinking here. Just to pick on one point: they question why there was substantial discussion in the publication of it being made of lead, and the lead's origin when -- and I would think this just obvious -- it being a flattened and folded piece of lead increases the probability (greatly) that it is a defixio, which greatly increases the probability that there was originally writing inside it. If it were, say, a piece of stone, then we would be far more suspicious that the markings are "just cracks" etc. that the host (annoyingly) laughs off. With the prior probabilities thereby adjusted, it is obtuse to question the project of proposing readings from the markings.
Falk is super skeptical too.
Adam Zertal documented which discard piles were coming from the newer alter and lower/older alter. We can't completely say that "we have no idea" .
well admittedly they may have jumped the gun, but yes they did. but it is still a reasonably interesting find. it does show the development of writing in the region and gives us some food for thought. need some more supporting evidence but it cannot be dismissed just because they went about it not quite the right way
The right way isn't credentialism captured by wokies.
If that's even actually writing.
@@swolf712 I have seen far worse evidence. it has been peer-reviewed. further what kind of evidence you expect after 3000 years. I know we have to be skeptical but sometimes we have to be a bit open mind. I am going with it looks good unless something else comes up
@@midnightwatchman1 Dr.David Faik Egyptologist has a video you need to see on this subject! New one this Friday on this subject.
@@midnightwatchman1 The "peer-review" came from undergrad students from the very institute that funded the dig and wanted a specific result. That makes the conclusions suspect, to say the least.
I was finding Dr Schreiner quite convincing until he started using "matres lectionis" as singular. The singular of "matres lectionis" is "mater lectionis".
From the drawing and photo, its a small piece of lead with scratches on it that could be letters, so it could well have been a "curse tablet", but the whole point of the Joshua story is that there were other people in Israel at the time, speaking Canaanite languages related to Hebrew, so it's a serious challenge to interpret.
Joshua is the same as Jesus. Remember the fish hat worn by Catholic biggies? The "father" of Joshua/Jesus is Nun (the fish). Caleb (dog) is the Canis constellation and is copied from Egyptian myth. Drop the suffix (us) from Jesus and we have IES/YES. The hua in Joshua refers to water and has lunar associations.
The ancients, not having the wherewith to make themselves comfortable, execrated the winter season much more than the moderns. Hence their intense hate of this season so often expressed in their records.' Having demolished Ai (the old year), Joshua (the Sun) set up an altar in Mount Ebal (bare mountain = the dreary and desolate earth at the spring equinox), whence he delivered "the blessings and the cursings" (Josh, 8. 34), half the tribes standing on either side of him (Deut. 27.12, 13), "according to the book of the law." (Josh, 8. 34.)
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Joshua next re-wrote the law of Moses in the presence of the children of Israel (the Sun being in Aries), who stood on both sides of the ark of the covenant (spring equinox) - half over against mount Gerizim (dividing), and half over against mount Ebal (stripping), i.e., half were below, and half above the equinoctial line. To these, summer and winter, Joshua read the "blessings and the cursings according to all that is written in the book of the law (Josh 8.34) - the blessings went to the summer; the cursings, to the winter side of the year.
One need not be a classicist to be a semiticist, not any more. Unfortunate but true.
@@josephpchajek2685
How about the talking phallus in Deuteronomy 32.18?
I will definitely be looking into that book series. Short, well-researched by academics, on precise questions...I hope this is the second of many.
Could you also talk about if the Shroud of Turin gives the out the real face of Jesus?
It is not. The thing is we are led to womder about these kind of things instead of paying attention to the Scripture, to focus on objects that being treated as holy instead of learning to live up to godly standards taught by the Jesus. Im talking about the shroud of Turin, not about all archelogical findings that support biblical narrative of events as historically happened. The thing with RC usage of such item is to be used as venerated object which clearly against the commandment to never worship on any materia objects, or man-made objects.
I don't believe shroud of turin to be true, because look at the facial reconstrucrion of the face, Jesus looks Eurupean exactly like the portray of Jesus while Jesus was a middle eastern man, he didn't have a long blonde hair, but short probably curly black hair. You see in the Bible, Jewish men were not keep their hair long.
I’m a huge fan of your work IP. Hands down my favorite apologetics channel. But I don’t think we should be concerned what Orthodox Jews think about us. God is our friend, and we have a high priest who intercedes for us. We can use God’s name without superstitious fear when it is used with the proper reverence.
Why shouldn't we be concerned? I would suggest not using one word is a small sacrifice in order to make IPs videos accessible to the entire Orthodox Jewish audience. When it comes to having a public ministry, I think it's okay to make small changes in order to reach more people as long as it doesn't water down your theology. Plus, IP is showing he cares for his Orthodox Jewish audience instead of disregarding them.
I don't see a reason to not do this.
Even if we think they are reading into the command, it does not cause any harm.
It is believed by a lot of NT scholars that Matthew did this knowingly or subconsciously in his gospel with "kingdom of Heaven" verses "kingdom of God."
Paul himself said that he is all things to all men. In context, this clearly would include not saying God's name since it is offensive and does not substantially change any context.
I know some Messianic Jews also do not use the Lord's name.
Wut? Does not saying his not apply to us? As an Christian I was thought different haha, pastor said that's reason why we say Father and not his name
I have no problem with IP using "Adonai" in deference to his Orthodox Jewish listeners. I might do the same in his place, just like I would refer to King Charles as "His Majesty the King" if I were in the presence of British people, even though I'm American. It's just a mark of respect for friends from a different culture.
I wonder if there's something about these Phoenician-type scripts, that makes them seem to appear in all kinds of places.
It was the first alphabetic language which spread due to its utility and the fact that the phonetians were traders.
It also is said to hsve started in an Egyptian mine in the Sinai peninsula where semiic slaves were digging up some metal which I forget at this moment.
Many people like "Patterns of evidence" and many early daters have said that this is associated with Moses and the israelites slaves.
This is obviously highly contested.
@@OnTheThirdDay but even like Pedra De Gavea and the mound builder inscriptions are alleged to be Phoenician, it seems like random scribblings have a pretty good chance of being taken for Phoenician or something similar
In a previous video about this, IP claimed that Associates for Biblical Research has a history of making dubious claims. Anyone have more specifics on that?
Video I'm referencing is "Earliest Mention of Yahweh Found?"
I personally know several people in ABR, including the archaeologists involved. I think that the critiques here were reasonable, so I'm glad that I heard some of these. I expect that in a few days, there will be some sort of response from ABR to some of these concerns (I have no inside knowledge, just my guess).
My full review of interview by IP with Scheiner with numerous timestamps for he interview.
(I am friendly to the paper and willingly trust but verify. In summary, I am concerned about the writing but wondering how useful it is even without knowinf what it said)
5:20 Scott Strippling (lead archeologist) has said multiple times in recent interviews that he did the press conference because, after releasing photos, he saw people speculating about what was written on the inside because you can see impressions on the outside.
He said this was to make sure he didn't lose his dibs on the transcription and hence lose his research.
(5:32) The interviewee describes this as "very weird" that they "invert [ed] the timeline". The interviewee then completes his thought saying "they initially came out with the press release, told everybody what they found, didn't release but a few pictures, and told everybody that they had to wait, 'this stuff is still in the peer review process.' "
IP is nodding in agreement when these things are said.
At 6:38 Schreiner addresses this argument, using language suggesting that Strippling's explanation is "reportedly" why it happened, which casts doubt on his claim.
Strippling addresses the academic piracy concern at "More on the Proto-Hebrew Inscription..." on ABR's CZcams channel April 4 last year (week after press conference).
So, this is not a new explanation although it is differently worded than I have heard recently.
6:30 Schreiner then says that the big claims (proving an early date of the exodus and dispelling the documentary hypothesis) were a red flag and expresses doubt that a single find could do this.
However, it is very conceivable that a single find could do that.
If they found a copy of part of Deuteronomy somewhere dated to the early date of the conquest that would 100% tip the scales for many doubters. Strippling says in the press conference that it shows the ability to have written the Torah earlier which is often doubted due to language development. The coauthor with a french accent in the press conf takes the Deuteronomical theory seriously.
Schreiner seems to be expressing too much cynicism toward the early date / traditional view of the torah's writting so that he cannot see things clearly.
Maybe there is something I am missing as I am not an OT scholar, but I think my point is correct.
8:20 Schreiner's kid crawls past in the background. (Funny.)
8:25 Schreiner argues that it is weird that Heritage Science (a reputable journal about materials) published this article which is primarily epigraphical.
I think that what is missing is that Strippling said that he had issues early on publishing it because of the materials issues. The material (and dating of it) is a big part of the paper and point of the article.
9:30 Schreiner says that journal publication aside, he thinks it is a bad argument and presumably will focus on that.
10:15 discussion of where the tablet was found, a discard pile and wet sifting.
Wet sifting is more than just dry sifting.
I understand their concern about the fact that it was not dug up on site but was from prior digs so rhere is missing context.
The paper addresses this point, but I think this is something important to be aware of.
This does omit some of the discussion of the dating if the lead which the paper says came from a certain Greek mine which was only operation up to a certain period.
The paper assumes that the lead was not sitting around for a couple hundred years.
This dating aspect is not addressed in the video. The original press conference says that other lead items from that mine match the dating.
12:10 Discussion of inscription itself.
(12:50 IP says that has a layman this appears to him to be a "hot mess." Channel Rob on the Rock gave a measured but similar impression in his analysis which was good and in more detail about the epigraphy.
In my view (a layman), this is strong.
At 18:05, Schreiner says that it is as if the authors of the paper did not think very much about the issue of the "meandering" word order.
I am not sure I agree with this wording, but I agree with the sentiment expressed by Schreiner.
I don't agree with all the things said or all the analogies but I think this is all fair game.
As Rob discussed and showed in the paper, Schreiner expresses concern about the variation in the form of the letters.
I agree.
24:10 Discussion of internal vowels.
I wish Schreiner gave more context on how common the internal vowels are for this particular word, curse, saying there would be about 500 hundred year gap in the spelling of this word because of the use of consonants as vowels.
This is interesting and as someone unfamiliar with the prevelance of early Hebrew inscriptions (esp. ones with the same alleged words), I would like to hear more about this by future interviews.
Schreiner says the paper appeals to Urgaritic to explain this. I wish Schreiner would have explained their argument (and said why he disagreed) instead of just dismissing it.
IP's analogy of Alfred the great and Shakespeare is totally off because the different forms of the language are different languages, but we are talking about the spelling of a word.
24:08 Summary of issues.
I agree with this in general. We want more teansparency with the imaging and with the epigraphical methodology.
(Not so much with peer review criticisms which kinda always feel like cheap shots because lots of "scholarly" speculations get published when they are badly argued as far as critical scholarship goes.)
26:40 Is it a curse tablet?
I agree mostly with the idea that whether there is cursing on thr tablet depends on whether there are words saying that.
I do think that a discussion of the fact that curse tablets exist and supposedly look like this should be discussed.
Are there things that aren't curse tablets that look like this?
I am interested in knowing more.
In the press conference, Strippling says that when they found it they jnew immediately that they had found a curse tablet at the mountain of cursing.
So, I am not sure about how clear this is.
28:44 Discussion on whether the "Joshua's altar" is a cultic site.
30:45 More thoughts
IP says he and Schreiner "wishes" that it was what Stripplig claims it was.
This comes off to me as disingenuous from IP given his general attitude and how I have heard him talk about people with ealry exodus dates and such, but maybe I myself am too cynical.
If you go back and what his shorts video that he made in this discovery, no such feeling can be discerned, only contempt and dismissal.
Schreiner may actually feel this way. I won't speculate about him because I know little of him.
32:30 Schreiner's book
This addresses the issue related to the apparent discrepancy between the accounts in 1,2 Kings (concerning Jehu's military) and on the Tel Dan Stele concerning the destruction of an ancient near east empire.
The question is about who deserved the right to claim responsibility for that nation's downfall. Schreiner says he discusses the issue in a "nuanced" way and says that many factors likely led to the collapse of that nation so they are possibly both correct.
In my view, some people take "nuance" to mean skepticism concerning the literal accuracy of Scripture as History. Saying that "genre" explains this is to say that there is no actual history done in the Bible, but propaganda.
Even those who believe the Bible (strongly or weakly) should be aware of the implications of this scholar's methodology in approaching Scripture.
Q&A
42:50 "does this put any weight behind the early date?"
The main response by Schreiner is that Mt Ebal's chronology is mostly decided upon and an early date for the exodus does not fit with this.
46:40 Question about other books in the series that Schreiner's book is in related to reliability of Scripture for laymen.
47:40 "Doesn't the Bible say that those who escape the hand of Jehu will fall into the hands of Hazel?"
Schreiner kinda was not prepared to address this as he admits he was caught off guard by it.
I thought this was weird that he was not able to answer this given that he wrote a book about the story.
My impression is that the questioner seems to want to say that Schreiner's thesis that Jehu worked along with the other nation to take down that emprire does not require stretching what Scripture actually says.
48:56 "It seems academics are quick ti want to dismiss this Mt Ebal Bronze age age Torah portion"
I agree with the general sentiment about understanding the inscription.
Although Schreiner says that the documentary hypothesis has been made more nuanced (in a way that the tablet does not touch) as far as sources for the Torah and that the original version of it is not believed anymore, I wish that the general public were actually told what the new theory is.
Somehow the outdated theory is pushed everywhere but people don't even believe it anymore? Maybe scholars should take the time from their busy lives to explain to the laymen public what people actually think.
Otherwise, there will always be a consider group of laymen who despise scholars' views due to the alleged widely spread misinformation about what they actually believe.
Also, the Torah clear points to some sources. I think that Numbers points to "the wars of YHWH" for example.
The question is not about whether there are sources, but what role did they play.
52:10 "Do you plan on writing more books about OT reliability?"
Then please google pictures of established curse tablets like " Eyguieres curse tablet" , "Curse_tablet_BM_1934.11-5." (those two from the Wikipeda article on "curse tablet") than /curse-tablet-0017602" or /EmDL3ObW0AAPOSU.jpg and declare if the writing is much less chaotic there?
Watch Dr.David Faik Egyptologist next video on the tablet: his second video on the article . FRIDAY PST.
On the jumbled nature of the script and the variations of the same consonant... Couldn't a plausible explanation be that it was written by multiple people? I'm thinking about how greeting cards today would be signed by multiple people. It often looks like a jumbled mess.
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19:29 -Uh, I don't think the claim is that the tablet quotes Genesis, but it has similar language when it says "Moth tamuth" ie "You will surely die".
If a PhD can make these kinds of proclamations that are absolutely ridiculous then how do you really trust them as archaeologists to come up with the correct conclusions? It's all going to be according to their biblical bias no matter what kind of techniques they use whether there's wet sifting or not. And what are they doing on Mount Ebal without a dig permit? This is absolutely shady...
It feels like Ron Wyatt found it. Lots of enthusiasm but with a lack of critical analysis.
Ron Wyatt didn't find things. I think these guys found something, but totally see things that aren't there.
Different levels of deception.
@@SaintOtter Good point. I'm amazed that anyone ever bought what Wyatt was selling.
The lead archaeologist went to his first interview talk with Dr Sean McDowell for those who wants to dig in more.
Yeah, I fell for it. Was totally an uncritical interview.
Rubs bad of on McDowell.
@@SaintOtter McDowell also did a softball interview with Titus Kennedy promoting an Early Exodus Date. He then staged a debate between Kennedy and Dr. David Falk on the Early Date vs the Late Date, which he scrubbed from his channel when Kennedy wound up looking like an amateur. Seems that McDowell is more interested in boosting his pet theories than uncovering the truth on these matters.
@Talitha Koum ✝
Yeah, softballing can be fine as an introduction. But getting rid of the critical interview was bad. Very bad.
Is it better then this interview where to layman's make fun of the hard work of Bible believing Christians?
@@SaintOtter Agreed 💯
The Documentary Hypothesis was never a sophisticated argument; it was an improper grafting of modern literary expectations onto a 3500-year-old or so ancient Semitic text, and of course, there remains utterly zero evidence of it, although more evidence has since come to light that the Torah does contain genuinely ancient Bronze Age origins.
The issue with this Defixio - or one of many - is the type of script, this 'Proto-Sinaitic' variety of writing, which most scholars won't touch. Bias against the Exodus account and its claims of historicity have caused academia at large to reject the possibility that the Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions could have been made by Israelites. For over a century, these inscriptions languished in translation limbo, as none of the Canaanite or other known Semitic languages of the time could yield translation. But an Egyptologist who did recognize much evidence for Israelites in Egypt turned his attention to these inscriptions from the same time period and enlisted one Torah scholar named Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron to try and translate them using Hebrew, and after familiarizing himself with the script, found he could read the inscription sent him almost immediately. He has since made much progress on several other inscriptions, and several seem to relate to events of the Exodus account and even persons and places therein.
I took a read through the article that you linked to, and I also have some questions that are unanswered. But you do a thoroughly uncharitable job of representing the work done too- to the point of mis-representing it. Frankly not very impressed...
Faith in Christ our Lord isn't unreasonable, blind or insane as it's not blindly accepting something unproven, unseen and unknowable but trusting in God's Existence, Character and Word being revealed through Christianity especially when Christ our Lord was a real, historical person. Love brother Michael Jones Inspiring Philosophy Apologetics ministry, my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you ALL 🙏❤️👊. Pointing out false teachings and teachers is essential for not allowing yourself or anyone else to be tempted with sin. Finding God or believers immoral doesn't mean that He is immoral, His Children are immoral as that's an opinion nor does it cancel out His Existence, make The Bible or Christianity not true or anything else against Christianity and theism in the atheist/antitheist position. I've never had doubts about God's Existence but just who God actually is whether it's God of The Bible or someone unknown as the ancient Greeks believed but it's a good thing I've studied History, religious beliefs, scientific, sociological and philosophical approaches to understanding what is true or not. As The Scriptures say in Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other for there is no other name under Heaven given among Men by which we must be saved". LI just wanted to let you all know how much of an influence he's been in my work in Christian Apologetics these past few years. Atheism is nuts it's a nonsensical conclusion that Atheists use science to come to having Creation without a Creator just a creative Force that inexplicably came about on it's own without guidance, consistency or assurance of it's success or purpose just random irrational events that they don't understand because it cancels out the moral accountability and responsibility that they would have to a Creator. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries of history in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH . Inspiring Philosophy's ministry always does good work in his efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ he's reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
IP is the best apologetics on youtube. May our lord jesus christ, whose forever blessed, be with you forever. Amen
Not related to ANE, but thre are a few ogham inscriptions/transcriptions that meander, but they always have the axis line to read by
The kid sneaking back out was so sweet mine are grown enjoy it while it last and thanks for covering this topic ❤ God bless you both
IP, still listening, so maybe jumping the gun, but can you also try to have someone from the actual dig to refute these criticisms? Be critical but allow for the archeologists to defend their claims. Saying things like 'riduculous' is too early at this stage. If it's not genuine, then fine.
I second Sir Voltchargers comment, let someone from the dig speak on behalf of the finding.
I third Mr Voltcharger's comment. Let them answer your long list of questions. I have a few myself.
So in other words, this is an interesting find. It needs much more expert peer review (as most interesting finds do) , and these two guys don't have the expertise to review it. That was helpful 🙄.
The number of people on this planet who are experts on this obscure area of research can be counted on your fingers.... So IP is supposed to say NOTHING even as this story consumes increasing bandwidth on the Interwebs? No one expects a definitive explanation we just want some Info and they provide it
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I think the talk of it being a lead tablet written on with a stylus - a couple such styluses were also found along with the tablet - is part of the big picture as Scott Stripling and others including myself, see it. The Book of Job specifically mentions inscribing words on a lead tablet with an iron stylus, the Book of Job being traditionally accredited to Moses. These texts - the Torah, Joshua, Job - are traditionally given a date of around 3400-years-old.
The Tell Deir 'Alla' 'Balaam Son of Beor' Inscription, though from the 800s BCE, seems to be a copy of a much older text referencing the character we encounter in the Biblical story of Moses, and the language of the inscription echoes language in the Book of Deuteronomy and the religious ideology of the inscription reflects religious ideology of the Bronze Age ie the time of Moses etc.
So Scott Stripling justifiably sees a valid reason or many to use these Biblical texts as something to weigh or explain these archaeological finds, since these texts speak of things as being from a time that the archaeology does reinforce.
But there are meandering writing directions in ancient texts like e.g. boustrophedon, the use of ambigrams or a spiral direction- especially if there are several people writing one text - e.g. binding themselves to a group covenant -such an appearance is to be expected in a time before any writing rules were really standardised?
Very good point! Thank you.
@@yvichenj333 Imagine a good wish card signed by a groups of co-workes... What writing direction do you have there?
@@yvichenj333 see also this curse tablet for comparison : Tablette_de_défixion_d'Eyguières.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_tablet#/media/File:Tablette_de_d%C3%A9fixion_d'Eygui%C3%A8res.jpg
Same direction, different angles, and haphazard lines.
I value your intelligent contributions to this comment group. It was sliding off too far into snarky - land there for a while.
I'm interested to see if Schreiner's and IP's criticisms age well. Should be interesting ... a "told you so" either way
But yeah, when I first saw the images of this inner inscription I was like...."Aw, geez, whatta mess" 🤣🤦♂
Scott Stripling says that the lead of the tablet correspond to a mine of lead found in Grece that was used during the late bronze age, does any one have information on this, like an article talking about it in details ?
Two iron stylus were also found in the same dump pile with the tablet. There has to be an inscription on the tablet. I just wish you could be the scribe, 3,200 years ago, engraving inscriptions on 1 inch x 1 inch soft lead.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.- Arthur Schopenhauer
8:20 Best thing ever. My kids do this all the time. HAHAHAHA. Love it.
I'm fascinated watching a philosopher play historian
Philosophy is like sleeping in a bed with a blanket that is to small always something left uncovered..
Solomon Talmud Bavli
@@MitzvosGolem1 what if I curl into a ball?
@@daMillenialTrucker no need to My T600 Kenworth has plenty of room
@@MitzvosGolem1 a fellow Christian trucker, awesome 😎👍 I don't own my own truck yet but if we can get people who care about our economy in office I'd be more then willing, preferably reefer 🥶
@@daMillenialTrucker I am Jewish...
Been crane operator steel erector mechanic my whole life..
Not a banker ... 😆
When God said “My name is YAHWEH, and by that name you shall know me forever” I guess he didn’t foresee the possibility that orthodox jews might disagree.
We are Christians. If the proper name of our God is offensive to jews, our Savior Jesus is even more offensive to them. Either way, they don’t dictate how we address YAHWEH.
There are some concerns about the epigraphy. However, some could be explained by amateur writers writing on a novel substance. Lead is different than parchment. They may have been pulling what letters they knew.
It is interesting and the lead artifact needs to be studied.
Yes, the first to inscribe letters into wax tablets in ancient Rome accidently produced Italic, Gothic, Cursive, Upper and Lower-Case versions of the same character within the same short inscription...because he was used to papyrus or vellum. Does that seem realistic. Even if that is how writing worked, you would have to assume this very specific personal backstory for the inscriber a priori before even beginning to take the "inscription" seriously, which is called imaginitive fiction, not scholarly research.
@@jameswoodard4304 I was spit balling, not declaring it as fact. Notice the use to "could" and "may". A scholar would have noticed those equivocations.
@@jameswoodard4304 Is it equivalent to cursive, gothic, upper and lower case? The only reason we would reject this example is because there are literally millions of examples we can look to for certainty.
How many examples exist in ancient Hebrew of the supposed use or glaring non-use of the characters?
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I'm allowed to poke holes in your spit-balling. That's the point of spit-balling. You say, "Maybe xyz..." and someone else says, "No, that's dumb because abc..." Supposition is not immune to criticism.
@@jameswoodard4304 And I am free to be critical of you as well, but there is no need to if you can act respectfully and discuss instead of just castigate.
This is why IP is the only respectable apologist. He actually cares about the truth.
Randal Rauser and Mike Licona are respectable too, and I say that as a non believer.
They both say neutral or negative conclusions. Did they say any thing positve from Heritage Science Study? What do they show about this?
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What if it's just someone who was trying to practice their ancient penmanship? lol
Ha! Hilarious if true! 😆😆😝
I think that there is a certain residue that builds over time that can showif it is old.
Titus Kennedy talks about this with the bone box of "james brother of jesus" which might be The James the brother of the lord's bone box.
Because it first appeared on the market (apparently broken out of some tombs by robbers) there was doubt if te inscription was real.
I think it is considered real due to this residue that takes a very long time to form.
But I am no expert.
@@OnTheThirdDay Titus Kennedy is not exactly a source I trust on these issues.
I think lead imported from Greece was a little too expensive an object to doodle on.
It’s a scratch piece of lead-paper!
Very different takeaway than Sean McDowell’s interview with Scott Stripling. I think David made a more convincing case as to why the audacious claims about what the tablet allegedly says are not compelling.
There were no other explanations proposed, most of the critique presented here were basically ad hominem and of "shooting the messanger" type. Of course the article was sent for peer review fast after first results were obtained and the peer review took several months/ most of the year so that the results presented were limited. But what was presented was compelling. Here they just do not like WHO found it.
@@Chociewitka It's really not compelling.
@@swolf712 Please do google that established curse tablet for comparison: Tablette_de_défixion_d'Eyguières.jpg - is there much difference in writing directions?
@@swolf712 or this one (Curse_tablet_BM_1934.11-5.1.jpg) can ypu decipher anyhing? But ths text is: Curse tablet found in London. Inscription reads: "I curse Tretia Maria and her life and mind and memory and liver and lungs mixed up together, and her words, thoughts and memory; thus may she be unable to speak what things are concealed, nor be able." (translation: British Museum)
@@Chociewitka LOL 😆 Dr.David Faik debunks all your statements on his first video and second video on this subject this Friday.
As a scholar of wingdings, when you contrast this text against the us English keyboard layout with the numerical order of the wingdings 3 script, it makes total sense… you guys have no idea what your talking about
I thought you were trolling, I thought wingdings was a made up word 😂 i did however look up ancient wingding tablets and although a lot of tablets had their symbols kinda structured, as if it were to be read up and down or right and left or vice versa, I like to imagine that this tiny lead tablet is infact saying what it's saying. We need more scholary work on it though
@@daMillenialTrucker sometimes the texts even go in a circular-wave-zag, there is no end to the study of such things!
sweet! I've been eagerly awaiting discussions on updated information on this find... it's potentially an exciting find! I'm neutral on what it means and its authenticity, hoping to learn!
I'm an atheist and skeptic and this is the first discussion i've watched on the topic since the initial announcements last year... this is the best first video for me cause, in general, I believe Michael Jones is credible and doesn't intentionally misrepresent supporting info for his views.
Michael, When are you going to have an interview with Stripling ???????????
Can you please speak with a proponent for the authenticity of this find to discuss the topic as well
"IT JUST DOESN' MAKE SENSE.. AND THESE ARE HUGE FLAGS" Dr. David and Michael; I like your program; here is my take on it.. this is a folded piece of lead pressed together.... then tweaked this way and for the past 3000 years .. how can we expect letters to be all the same.. this a crumpled piece of lead
that all said I like your channel, Dr Schreiner you do a great job in explaining details
I appreciate you not saying the name. I am a Christian, but I'm a convert from Judaism, and I personally dont like saying it (and try to avoid hearing it)
So, it's even more of a miracle that over time this inscription appeared in the tablet by scratches in the lead.....I would be interested to see how the article team responds to this!
Why should we refrain from using the name that God himself gave us out of deference to orthodox jews?
i emailed scott lanser of abr and asked if this could possibly have been written by a child. that was my first thought when i saw the text. of course he said absolutely not
Yeah, I don't think so. I get the feeling that such curse inscriptions weren't made with much care as to their arrangement. The Jerusalem Curse Inscription revealed last year in the same kind of script is similarly all over the place.
its awesome and surely it is 3400 years old .....but i cant read a thing on it ....
but like what if somone was just trying to practice "writing" letters for fun I've done it no order lol
this is looking like a massive fail. not only are experts - or anyone else - not able to detect the supposed letters on this tablet, it seems to have been excavated illegally
Whaaaaaat I’m Wesleyan too!! Holiness crowd!!
I agree it's a mess. But I can make out--as a layman-- multiple Alephs, Heh, and a Yud. I do not think that rocks or dirt or whatever the argument is really good against it if these characters can be made out, and made out multiple times.
They based it on Adam Zertal's dig documents. And based on that the pile came from the circular altar in the center of the larger encasing square altar. You're TWISTING the information. I'm done listening. Disappointed with the bias. Very disappointed,
I agree! IP does himself and his content an injustice by exposing his bias in this way.
That’s my Old Testament Professor!
The fact of the same inscription being on the outside helps their claim, and it woulda really been great to see the outside one, which they say is much clearer, I think.
About the Divine Name: You let your viewers tell you what to say and not to say on your own stream?
Why?
Anyone else see the dragon face peeking out of the tablet?
Hard to view this as an unbiased critique since neither have an expertise in Biblical Archaeology or Paleo-Hebrew. Easy to be an armchair critic without the expertise. 12:40 Seems more like an axe to grind against an "ultra conservative" Christian archaeologist. Sad IP thinks there is something wrong with being an "ultra conservative" Christian...I figure IP assumes any Christian who rejects evolution and is a YEC is "ultra conservative" 🙄
Can you adress the arguments he made in this video. What did he get wrong
I am not defending ip . I am just asking
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I agree. It's surprising to hear these two laughing and snickering about the work of paleographers and archeologists far more experienced than they . It's one thing to disagree with the findings, but to call it "crazy" and a "disaster" seems unscholarly and juvenile. I was looking forward to a sober critique of the facts as I am usually used to on this channel.
@@yvichenj333 I couldn't agree more.
Ahab was an evil king so even if he was a strong king the Bible wouldn’t want to emphasize that or give him any credit.
YEAH its easy to find crack rocks on the floor when your OUT OF YOUR MIND!
You’re all so skeptical. You should listen from the horses mouth himself why it happened the way it did. 🙄
What these images need is a 3d printer, then a rubbing
Im not aware it's a 'laughing stock'. Perhaps let proper experts review it before rolling your eyes?
Mt. Ebal (bible) is found everywhere as it is the spring equinox where we find the barren earth.
Very interesting!
Boy, I'm glad weve got credentialism to preserve us from the great deception. Who knew that peer review equals loving the truth?
I think that scholary rigor has its place, it does need to stay in it's lane.
Yes.
I do respect that this guy teachs OT courses and "has been on some digs" and "found some inscriptions myself" but I have trouble thinking that he is actually qualified to discuss this. It feels weird that there isn't anyone more qualified (an epigrapher or an actual archeologist) to be doing this interview.
@user-in8jq7vw3x I don't want to discount qualification. Just ask who is doing the qualifying. The woke are great at capturing organizations that give them.
Next thing you know you aren't searching for truth, your documenting how archeology promotes the patriarchy or how modern biblical scholarship promotes colonialism and cultural appropriation.
First ransom note, lol
maybe web sites can use it as a captcha lol
Not a christian. Secular middle eastern historian and cultural anthropologist here. You would never find anything from the Hebrew/biblical era with the true name of god inscribed. You may find Adonai, Elohim, YHWH, or a number of other similar names as those were also names of Caananite gods. YHWH particularly was a Caananite god of war weapons and metallurgy before being taken by the "israelite" hebrew cultures farther south in Judea, and the biblical "holy land:
They took his name only, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist
@☩orthodox crusader ☦† i think you missed my point. The point was that a Biblical Jew wouldn't write the name of god. Even the name contained power and would have fallen under the realm of graven image as the NAME was considered as powerful as a spell or invocation. Remember the OT god wasnt one of "oh sorry, my bad please forgive me" hecwas a god "well you promised the first thing to exit your home upon your return, looks like i get that daughter of yours" and "Yo, angel guys, go check out thst Sodom place, their pretty nasty inhospitable people. I think im gonna just blast em. Well excelp that Lot guy. Ill spare him and his daughters then just completely ignore their drunken incest party"
May you please pray these Muslim people and their families to come to faith in Jesus Christ our Lord God and Savior. The people are, Ali Dawa, Mohamed hijab, Zakir Naik, Daniel Haqiqatjou, Shabir Ally, Farid, Saajid Lipham, sneako, and Andrew Tate. Please please pray for them, their families, and even their friends to come to the Lord. If you think of anyone else please pray for them too.
Also please pray for my friend Ibrahim, he lives in a Muslim country and he’s a self proclaiming Christian. Please pray that God lets His will be done. I think Ibrahim is having food problems but not for sure as of rn. Thank you for your time.
According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts.
"When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"*
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
Well even though there is a consensus does not mean it is true plus Michael heiser and inspiring philosophy hold to a supplementary hypothesis
This is old hat. The Bible itself teaches that ancient Israel was syncretistic and polytheistic for the most part, right from the days they left Egypt. It's funny that these "scholars" are just discovering what anyone can just find out from reading the text. Of course, the extra "scandalous" part they are adding is that this is the origin of the YHWH cult - and Biblical monotheism is later. But common sense will tell you - this kind of thing simply cannot be known by the study of ancient history, it's in the very nature of the discipline.
To illustrate, consider the Epic of Gilgamesh. We have one text from the Library of Ashurbanipal from the 7th century BCE. But later we discovered an eariler version from the 18th century and some fragments all the way back to the 23rd century. Before we discovered these earlier texts, the earliest copy we had was from the 7th century, but it would have been a fallacy to infer that the story originated around then. Even now, we cannot know that the Epic originated around the 23rd century - it could be millenia older for all we know.
The same logic applies to the Biblical stories - we have fragments of papyri going back the the 6th century. But that tells us nothing about when the "YHWH cult" actually originated. You either trust the Bible or you don't. At best you can infer - by the lack (so far!) of YHWH-only monotheism in the earlier sources - if it existed it was not very popular. But that's exactly what the Bible says - the vast majority of Israel was polytheistic. And before the Exodus all we are told is that a single family - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were YHWH-only monotheists. Even within that family there were dissenters, like Rachel. Only after the exile does monotheism become mainstream, and that's when it shows up in the archaeological record.
Of course the scholarly consensus will not follow basic common sense, because they need to publish - or perish. Even so-called "Christian" scholars. It's not very sexy to conclude that "we don't know, we don't have enough data to infer anything". That's not going to get you citations or research grants or tenure.
The ancients, not having the wherewith to make themselves comfortable, execrated the winter season much more than the moderns. Hence their intense hate of this season so often expressed in their records.' Having demolished Ai (the old year), Joshua (the Sun) set up an altar in Mount Ebal (bare mountain = the dreary and desolate earth at the spring equinox), whence he delivered "the blessings and the cursings" (Josh, 8. 34), half the tribes standing on either side of him (Deut. 27.12, 13), "according to the book of the law." (Josh, 8. 34.)
Joshua next re-wrote the law of Moses in the presence of the children of Israel (the Sun being in Aries), who stood on both sides of the ark of the covenant (spring equinox) - half over against mount Gerizim (dividing), and half over against mount Ebal (stripping), i.e., half were below, and half above the equinoctial line. To these, summer and winter, Joshua read the "blessings and the cursings according to all that is written in the book of the law (Josh 8.34) - the blessings went to the summer; the cursings, to the winter side of the year.
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Someone was just practicing their caligraphy lol. Maybe a students tablet?
Just another Theist Rorschach test.
I think that little boy got away with it lol
I am a stupid true Bible believer, so I can not comprehend how the writer of 2. Kings stretched the truth. It is clearly stated that both Hazael and Jehu have a part in the demise of the Omri Dynasty: "Hazael asked, "Why are you crying, my master?" He replied, "Because I know the trouble you will cause the Israelites. You will set fire to their fortresses, kill their young men with the sword, smash their children to bits, and rip open their pregnant women." Hazael said, "How could your servant, who is as insignificant as a dog, accomplish this great military victory?" Elisha answered, "The LORD has revealed to me that you will be the king of Syria... He joined Ahab's son Joram in a battle against King Hazael of Syria at Ramoth Gilead in which the Syrians defeated Joram. King Joram returned to Jezreel to recover from the wounds he received from the Syrians in Ramah when he fought against King Hazael of Syria." Also, what kind of relative military weakness in a struggle with Syria is depicted in 1. Kings ch 20 when it is clearly stated:
"Ben Hadad said, "I will return the cities my father took from your father. You may set up markets in Damascus, just as my father did in Samaria." Ahab then said, "I want to make a treaty with you before I dismiss you." So he made a treaty with him and then dismissed him."? Careful reading of the Bible is necessary to understand its message and no amount of Ancient near East artifacts or books of various experts can supplement it!
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Hey IP I found the answer
God created time and everything experiences time God created everything
The singularity before the Big Bang is purely theoretical and the prediction of only some models based on General Relativity. If someone’s saying the singularity is eternal or whatever, just ask them why they believe the singularity existed in the first place. GR is looking more and more incomplete as physics changes, especially in the wake of QM. IMO there’s reason to doubt a singularity existed, and that’s where I’d question this atheist using this point.
@@Lmaoh5150 thank you, and yes I know is theory bs
@@EasternOrthodoxChristian Well I wouldn’t say it’s bs, but that they should be more skeptical of claiming an ontological entity based on it
@@Lmaoh5150 it is bs
@@Lmaoh5150 the Singularity is an subject of time and God created time
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*The King James bible **_was_** at one time a literary masterpiece without blemish. There were no spelling, grammar or punctuation errors in it. I have a short film in my playlist on how that came about. Now, they're on every page! Satan has **_supernaturally_** attacked it more than any other translation, but all of them in every language have been destroyed in the fulfillment of prophecy! Plus all concordances, encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, the original manuscripts and the Dead Sea scrolls have been miraculously changed!*
*Not every word, Satan is too smart for that and he understands that rats won't eat pure poison so .05% is added to 99.95% corn and the rats love it... and perish for lack of knowlege!*
*Our Father said to "prove all things" and you better obey Him on this thing especially. I have an exceptional memory, I clearly remember my third birthday party and can draw an accurate picture of my baby stroller. I'm 70, was saved when I was 10 and **_had been_** reading only the **_exact same copy_** of the King James bible since 1961. (I am not a king James onlyist though.) I memorized many scriptures out of it over the years and I absolutely **_know_** that the word **_demons_** used to be all through it. But today that word is not anywhere in there! It was replaced with **_devils._** And the only place I've ever read the word **_wineskins_** was in my bible, but it's not in it any more either. It was replaced with **_bottles._** And now **_unicorns, easter, matrix, castles, damsels, stuff, corn, colleges, banks, employment, schools, missles, tires, mufflers, manifolds, engines, highways, suburbs, pavement, presidents, doctors, pilots, sheriffs, beer, dumb ass, India, Spain, Italy, ferryboats, couches_** and lots of other words are in my bible that I never saw in it my whole life! Many of these words are anachronisms (they didn't even exist in 1611!) It never talked about men with milk in their breasts nursing babies either, but now it does! Isaiah 11:6 used to say the **_lion_** shall lie down with the lamb, not the **_wolf_** shall also dwell with the lamb! Lion represents Jesus and wolf is associated with Satan! The first eleven films in my playlist will show you plenty of undeniable "residue" (proof of what **_was_** that Satan missed) on that verse. Luke 17:34 used to say "two shall be in one bed, one shall be taken and the other one left", but now it says "two **_men_** shall be in one bed.......! And the following verse said "two women shall be grinding at the mill together......" and now it just says "two women shall be **_grinding together_** ......! So now the bible makes it sound like homosexuals are going to be raptured!*
But *this is the biggie,* in Luke 19:27 it has Jesus saying "And those mine enemies that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and *SLAY THEM BEFORE ME!"* It did say _eshew_ them. This change makes Christians sound like radical extremists!! *Millions of Christians will be killed because of this verse!!!* And I know that this is a parable, but the king Jesus was talking about was Himself, the King of Kings! The film titled *Satan's Agents and Doctrines of Demons* which is in my playlist is just about this verse, and is the most important video most of you have ever seen.
*I memorized the Lord's prayer as a boy because Jesus told us to say it, and I have probably said it tens of thousands of times, and it absolutely did not say **_which_** art in heaven, it said **_who_** art in heaven, it didn't say **_in earth,_** it was **_on earth._** And it now says forgive us our **_debts_** instead of our **_trespasses._*
*God has sent His strong delusion to all of the people that never received the love of the truth! What's scary is, so far that appears to be most believers! This incredible phenomenon they're calling the Mandela effect is absolutely real, but it should actually be called the Daniel 7:25 effect. I first became aware of some of the bible changes in 2014 before I ever had a computer or had heard of the Mandela effect. But since 2016 I've watched hundreds of videos on the subject, and saved some of the best and most important ones for proving your bible has been changed and pointing out all the places this was talked about in end time prophecies in my playlist which you can see by 👉 typing into CZcams (PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE)* 👀 👈
czcams.com/play/PLOTw4zBND_NPf66nKUONLoe2MNFLb5LQr.html
*Even though I will no longer read any bible, mine gives me the creeps just looking at it like a Ouija board or something, so I continue to study what God inspired men to write by seeing what scriptures have been changed with proof of what was originally written. I urge you all to do the same, while you still can, because when **_all_** truth is censored, or we no longer have access to internet, all we'll have then is hard copies of the bible Satan wants us reading! At that point Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled where it says we will no longer be able to find His words anywhere again.*
*This is without question the biggest and most important event since the day of Pentecost! When you see absolute proof that the miraculous fulfillment of end time prophecies are happening with your own eyes, and how close we are to our Savior's return, it's the most faith strengthening and exciting thing that you've ever experienced! And if your pastor hasn't told you about this, you better find one that has told his people about it!*
*God bless you all!!!*
I ain’t readin all that + Ratio
Jesus will explain it to you before He sends you on your way.
@Ryan S the nut jobs always have an entire novel that contains absolutely nothing worth reading.
@@EmptyDisc1 I agree. This guy and the "Gilgamesh" militant atheist character add nothing to the conversation and should no longer have the privilege of ranting on these videos.
@@GEES44DC *Jesus will give the tic toc version to people with no attention spans.*