How I enjoyed Sonic and the Secret Rings | Retrospective in Reverse
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
- This video is the next one in my Retrospective in Reverse Series. It covers Sonic and the Secret Rings. Secret Rings was part of the motion control Wii fad, releasing shortly after the Wii came out. I hope you enjoy the video!
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Finally! Another Sonic & the Secret Rings fan! I love this game so much and it's sad that it has so few fans.
Each level has so many cool set pieces and Night Palace is one of my favorite Sonic levels ever made.
Awesome stuff. Low key I'm most excited to give secret Rings another shot when I have some free times. It's almost arcade like in its motion control design
I think Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight shows how creative the Sonic Team can be when it comes to putting Sonic in different settings.
Deen, buddy, please. It's not the fandom's job to buy broken games and say "actually it's good!" So no, the fans did not let Sonic down. When you have to cheat by downloading a pre-leveled save just to make the game control well, that's not the fans' fault. Imagine starting FF7 with a L99 Cloud already
You're aware that your opinion may be changed by using a pre-leveled save; did you try doing a second playthrough without it? It's one thing to say "Oh yeah sure it would be worse if I didn't cheat" - but it's a different feeling to actually sit down and commit to it. It's crushing
You also keep mentioning how many other videos have ripped this game apart with the same criticisms. But, just because a lot of people have said the same thing already doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't automatically make it true either, but there's a pretty good reason why so many people have said it. Is that why your opinion has constantly (except for Boom, thankfully) gone against the current consensus? You don't gotta be a contrarian about these games man, we've already got more than enough of those in Sonic Internet as-is
Hey, so I understand what you're saying, but the whole premise of this video is how I enjoyed the game? I didn't argue that others had an incorrect opinion of the game, heck I even mentioned on multiple occasions that just based off the first 20-30 mins I could tell it wasn't worth the effort. But I stand by my belief that in TODAY'S gaming experience, one that involves hacks and mods and roms and emulators, there is definitely a way to enjoy this game, whether you want to fix it up or play through a few hours is entirely up to the player. If someone can enjoy the Unleashed Project or Project 06, I think I can claim that my "cheating" method could be enjoyable without feeling like I'm being inauthentic?
Regarding my final comment about the Sonic fans letting down Sonic, it's not strictly in relation to this game, and even in regards to this game a lot of it was about my enjoyment with the story. It's just a perspective I've been feeling as I go through the games, which in the context of my video I hope is clear-ish?
I don't think I'm being a contrarian, every argument or opinion I've had, I've seen shared by people to some extent whether it's on other CZcams channels or discord chats or on Reddit, there's a very diverse fandom and it's not absurd for me to claim I basically like all of the games I've played. Part of the fun I've been having is not having to deal with all of the baggage that comes with these games, so I'm sharing my perspectives on the games and how I feel about them, and additionally how I feel about the way others feel about them. That's the whole point, it's a subjective Retrospective. We can agree to disagree on certain things. But I want to reiterate that I think Secret Rings at the time of its release was kinda crap. Which is the general consensus it seems. But I also think if it wasn't a Sonic game, it probably would've been appreciated, and I think that's something worth analyzing because the social commentary around these games entices me.
Anyway, as always I'm super thankful that you're taking the time to watch my vids and even offering your perspective in the comments. And I'm not just saying that, I'm still a small creator and it's nice to know people watch my vids when I upload them, although hopefully I start uploading stuff you actually enjoy and agree with lol. Peace and love ✌🏻
I also genuinely love Sonic & the Secret Rings. My reason is different though: I love arcade style games. Secret Rings feels like an arcade experience with it’s on rails gameplay and levels full of spectacle moments like getting shot out of a cannon in Pirate Storm or the magic carpet in Night Palace.
But I can also understand that people who don't like arcade-like experiences may not like the game as much as I do. Still, I don't think anyone is just being contrarian for the fun of it.
WELL I DO WANT SOMIC AND THE SEVEN RINGS TEASED BEFORE I PLAY SONIC AND THE SEVEN RINGS BETTER
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Nice Video ! Sub & Big Like ! And Love Sonic Games !
SO this 1 is a bit of a doozy as along wit Colors & CD it's 1 of my 1st 3 sonic games ever. So I grew up wit it & I still vividly remember the day I saw it at a big clothes store that I don't remember the name of while we were at the cashier. funnily enough I actually mistook it for 06 since I didn't know the game was literally jus "Sonic the hedgehog" lol. Regardless I begged & they got it & I popped it in the Wii when I got home. I remember I used to embarrassingly call 06 "the 1 wit the jump that has no color." get it? cus colors' jump ball had COLOR HAHAHAHAHAHA. Anyway I played it for hours & days & even tho there were parts I sucked at & I was confused on how to find more Rings to progress & all the other issues I'll try to touch on. Even now I adore this game & I don't need a filled save file I'm fine startin from scratch & have no issues(I'm broken I know). On the gameplay it's simple & many aspects like the homin reticle & wutnot inspire later titles so it has significance beyond itself. All I can say is that even at it's "weakest" for me it's still fun. So when u get it to a competent point I feel for most it's decent fun if they can grip wit the motion controls. I hear ppl always fight wit the way the game handles & it's thx to lookin over this game that I have this particular philosophy when playin other games I'm havin trouble controlin. Don't fight the game jus flow wit it like a river. If it's not utterly broken the game will do wut's necessary to get u through so jus do wut IT wants u to do not wut u want it to do. simple but prob not easy to learn for every game lol. Regardless tho they should've NEVER made it SO "BAD" in the begginin cus when it starts to feel "nice" generally is where they should've had it start but they didn't(I wonder Y....). The structure is another point against it, Y NOT make it more clear where actual progression is made on level select?(WHO KNOWS....).
The game makes it take so much longer to make actual progress & it often doesn't feel the reward of "slightly stronger sonic that was alr weak" is worth it for the modicum of fun some may have. They do this for the same reason they fuck over other games. Tryin to pad it out to be longer & make it seem like there's more to the levelin mechanics than there actually is. It wouldn't be so negative if it jus didn't start as it did in that regard. Even for me I got frustrated cus I couldn't find enough of the rings to get to the final portion as a kid(& never thought to look it up lol). They purposefully made it confusin so u'd waste time, turn around & say "WOW GREAT 10HRS"! There's actually a couple of decent tricks u can do like equip an item that gives u this cool advantage that really helps in speedruns through the game. I forgot the name but it's linked to the slide & basically gives an extra form of engagement to consider. U can do that for a decent handful & that's the problem they saw. A handful of upgrades doesn't seem substantial so ppl will complain in their reviews & that's a problem so they gimped him & added more BS that jus makes it more tedious for many. I do think that unlike BK which has to contend wit the Sword mechanic SR could genuinely take most of itself change some minor things & turn the gameplay to full boost wit the levelin elements & wutnot as additions. I wanna mention I HATE how much they make u shake that remote in the final boss (It's a TRUE WORKOUT lol). I really like the way the cutscenes look yellow as it gives the idea that the book we C them in is so jus old. I jus like how it looks in general too but I won't fight the idea BK is an improvement on that. Music is repetitive but at least it's a banger. I jus realized U NEVER MENTIONED THE PARTY MODES FOR BOTH STORYBOOK GAMES!! U should try at least SR cus it def adds to the game & is genuinely fun. As for story I really adore this 1 & love the themes of how tough abusive relationships can be in the fact that sometimes the 1 that's hurt never gets over those feelins towards the 1 they're hurt by & there's not much that can be done to "fix" that. Even Sonic jus gives her the mountain of handkerchiefs cus that's jus how deep Sharas' tears go over all this. Ofc as a kid it went over my head as it did MANY even today. SR story wasn't lambasted for "doin too much". For most ppl it was a "nothin" story wit a cool scene near the end & then ended it in the most "bafflin" way wit the hanky mountain wish that jus leaves 1 confused in utter hilarity. I wanna add in BK the spell cast by Merlina to summon sonic is for some reason THE EXACT SAME 1 Erazor used to summon Ifrit. Y R 2 diff worlds usin the same summon spell & 1 is for a Fire DEMON & the other for the supposed "savior" that also ultimately doomed the ppl he was tasked to save lol. The story shows a strong element of empathy that's diff to other stories even BK & as someone that strives to reach a high level of that I'm deeply impressed that ppl I assume didn't go through the things they're touchin on here so strongly presented a deep thing for many in a way TOO DAMN SUBTLE for it's own good to a degree lol. I'm glad there R games for ppl to look back on & realize wut they were tryin to message when they were at a point in life those those would showcase itself a lil more clearly to ur more "experienced" eyes ig lol.
I'll leave it here but ye the game as a whole I'd say is like... "mid" on a more critical scale but I love so much & I've fused it's "shortcomins" into me like the freak I am.
THEY NEED TO BRING THIS ART DIRECTION & CUTSCENE/STORY STYLE BACK I BEG!!
I need to stop these essays🥲
Thanks for this! Since you modded this, is it possible to make this game work perfectly on original hardware? Of course, assuming you can adjust to the style of controls. And I was wondering if there are ways to fix it without mods, possibly. I also saw that someone else is remaking this!
I actually didn't mod anything. Sorry, my vid might have not made that clear, this was all on original hardware. The only thing I did was find a completed save file on gamefaqs, put it on my SD card, and then put the save file on the Wii.
@@NintenDeenAh ok, no worries, I see what you mean now when you said you saved so that you can play through the whole game with the upgraded controls.
Oh... no
Me buys game, me plays game
Never done all of... that
I will probably agree with whatever you're going to say about the potential of the game, because I find it a good concept too. But I'll still be hating on the game 'cause locking decent controls behind skill points is just bad design. By the point I got the decent controls I already finished the game, and like, yeah, it controls way better by that point, but why even care by then. I may check it now because it's been more than a decade, but dunno.
I always felt that '06 deserved the praise that Secret Rings got, probably Secret Rings got some bias for being a Nintendo exclusive. Hope they remake it from the ground up someday.
It was nice that you made the distinction between the actual game and what you did to make it enjoyable.
Aight, I finished, two things about your reflection:
1.- Totally agree about what kind of tone Sonic can get involved with. Something that I love about the franchise is that it can be lighthearted and serious at the same time, it's not all kiddie and at the same time it's not all "oh I'm so serious for such a mature audience". Zelda also has this kind of tone that I like. So, yeah, I think it's great that the franchise can have a take on abusive relationships or the value of life, as long as they do it subtly and tastefully. I say this because I really cringe when I hear about the Archie comics that have a lot of weird drama and infidelity, yeah, not that pls. And I mean, Sonic IS a hero, it's like when in Superman comics he gets involved in real life problems like protecting a child from an abusive father. So, yeah, it's not necessary to do that, but it's welcome if appropriately done.
2.- Ehh, 50/50, the fandom is bad, yeah, but I mean, the franchise (due to sega) cannot just release broken games and expect a good reception, if anything, Sonic has survived because we buy his games nonetheless and then a banger is released like Unleashed or Frontiers. I love these games, but, like, they're still games you know? For example, a trend that I really hate about modern games is that people praise how much of a "cinematic experience" they are, and I mean... I want to play a game, not watch a movie. I DO enjoy Sonic stories, but it's still a game that I want to play. Also, the people who like to throw shade at how characters and stories are portrayed in these "dark era" games, are probably not even fans of the franchise.