Throwback Thursday 1999: Wigglytuff VS Mewtwo / Electabuzz
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Andrew Mahone and Will Mantho present Throwback Thursday featuring decks from 1999's Base Set - Fossil Format! Watch powerful decks featuring Wigglytuff, Electabuzz and Movie Promo Mewtwo in action during this tabletop Pokemon Trading Card gameplay video!
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Thanks for watching everyone! Here are the lists.
ELECTABUZZ/MEWTWO:
4 Electabuzz
4 Mewtwo Promo
2 Mew Promo
1 Rattata
3 Item Finder
3 Professor Oak
3 Computer Search
3 Energy Removal
3 Super Energy Removal
3 Gust of Wind
2 Scoop Up
2 Pluspower
3 Bill
2 Energy Retrieval
1 Energy Search
2 Lass
1 Mr. Fuji
2 Super Potion
9 Psychic
6 Lightning
1 DCE
(We would recommend cutting the Super Potions and bumping up to 4/4 Energy Removals)
WIGGLYTUFF/MEWTWO:
3 Jigglypuff (Jungle)
2 Wigglytuff (Jungle)
4 Mewtwo Promo
1 Ditto (Fossil)
2 Mew Promo
3 Scyther (Jungle)
3 Item Finder
3 Bill
3 Computer Search
3 Super Energy Removal
3 Pluspower
3 Energy Removal
3 Professor Oak
3 Gust of Wind
2 Energy Retrieval
2 Switch
1 Mr. Fuji
4 DCE
3 Grass
9 Psychic
Building this list and you guys' card count looks like it's only 59. You cut a 1-1 Muk line for a 3rd Jigglypuff and nothing else. I'm gonna play a 4th Energy Removal in the last spot. Curious what Andrew played, though.
Thanks for the deck list. Getting back into vintage battles myself so it's very helpful to reference a list.
Love the old Poke Meta. Thanks and please more 😊👍🏻
It's amazing how much back and forth the game had, so different than the braindead 1 turn setups the game has become all about. I prefer this style of gameplay so much over the current one, it just feels like you're actually playing WITH the other player instead of the goldfishing we have now, plus the game is much more cadenced, which I love.
Agreed 100%. Exactly why I'm getting back into vintage decks.
Literally just started building and playing vintage decks. It’s great fun!
Eh. The guy on the right could have Oaked to make his Energy Absorption attack live on his first turn, which probably would have made the game much shorter.
Also the game only _seems_ like an intense back and forth, but that is because neither player can _do_ anything, because of all the energy removal and super energy removals.
@@justinmadrid8712 That's a fair assessment.
That’s been scaled back more nowadays - 2023
2019-2020 you had those tag team cards, which were dumb and too powerful
Man, watching this video for the first time, seeing that it was posted a year ago, then hearing the opening statement about shelter in place going into effect hit me hard. Good content guys, sucks we're still in this situation.
Love to see gameplay from when I was a kid first playing pokemon. Can you please post a decklist? I would love to play this over video chat with my friend during the quarantine. Stay safe and wash your hands!
I just posted the lists as the pinned comment! Thanks for the kind words.
i order old cards... to have a deck as i see this so much fun to watch
As someone who only experiences this period through the Gameboy games (seriously, it's all I play recently), these videos are a fascinating watch. Mewtwo in particular was never really on my radar because the promotional cards are kinda hard to come by ingame (you do get one iirc, but getting more is rather time consuming).
I have to wonder how prevalent these decks were back then. When we went into the movie, I got an Electabuzz card, as did my brother. Only my sister got Mewtwo. They really seemed to give them out at random. Getting 4 of them sounds like an ordeal (I don't know how developed card markets were in the US during that time)
I love seeing content from the original game that had me fall in love with TCGs as a kid. Played magic since mid 2010s but now I've got the itch to dig deep on these old pkmn formats! Thanks for these awesome videos guys
You won't be disappointed. Much more like chest than the current meta.
It’s so great to see you playing Pokémon with your little brother!
idk if it would get you in trouble with sponsors or anything, but to do vids with old decks like this and not meet in person you could play online using tabletop simulator and a steam workshop mod that has all the cards
More throwbacks please! Let’s see some electrode shenanigans
Based Mahone with the retro. Thank you so much for this, I do have one suggestion though. Since these games are so long and the game can end with deck out more often than by prizes, is there any way you could put the round count in the name display with a display showing who won which round?
Way back Wednesday
These are the best videos! Thanks so much for the content
Love the channel! Have been learning the game because of you.
Need a bit of advice. My son recently got into ptcg and since he's 6 that means I'm into it too. I was a magic player growing up, but with my son, it's time for Pokémon!
He's a giant Pikachu fan (surprise surprise) so I was going to build him the nuzzle deck. Could you recommend a deck for me to build to go against it that would be good for going 50% against him? He likes to win, but he likes to earn it. I don't want to play something that will crush him, just something that will go 50%ish would be great.
Believe it or not, there's another Pikachu deck would be great to play against Nuzzle! The deck "PikaRom" would maintain that 50% winrate, and, if you built it, it would be another style of Pikachu deck that he might want to swap and play with.
how else put on the gamboy music in the background while watching this?
Love the throwback games high skill high patients
I've been reading Jason's blog, trying to build some of my own decks to play since it does look fun and I sort of missed it as a kid being that I was like 9 or 10 so only took part in the playground meta. I do wonder though if this format would be massively improved by at least a restriction to energy removal, say 1-2 of each per deck. It just seems like the energy removal in particular makes games slow down to a complete drag.
Ideas to counter Wiggly for the Sponge? Mr. Mime is a big one. Ditto and Aerodactyl are too. Ditto basically is just like Clefable and Aerodactyl just prevents all evolutions when you drop it early enough, preventing Wiggly, Fable, Blastoise, and even the reare Alakazam with the Base Mewtwo stall with Tentacool. Often also, you would see decks do what Game 3 was, where they quickly go all in and burn through the deck to get as many PlusPowers as possible and Gust out the Jiggly before it evolves. The Super Potions and Energy Retrievals are just wasted card slots IMO and need to be 4/4 ER and SERs.
This is awesome. Really takes me back and I think it's refreshing to see decks like this.(especially when I'm bored at home😉) . Anyways, is there a link for that blog mentioned in the video?
40 for 3 Energies (1 of which was Colorless) is not at all a bad damage ratio; that is actually a textbook damage ratio for a Basic Pok'emon of that era.
Nice! 50k subs!
Been loving these matches guys! I know these vids are a few years old at this point but any plans to revive the series?
Hey mahone @ 1:37:12 you forgot to shuffle and just stacked that gust... not that it changed the course of the game !
Do you know if Jason Klaczynski is still actively adding his blog? His blog goes up to Black and White but would love to see an XY era guide. Not sure if he played XY era.
Good timing, he's updating and now XY is on progress in his blog (he said it will ne released this month)
Do you still do card of the day I remember that you should do those I loved them I learned what cards pairs with what
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I could'nt find the dude's blog :( could you give me the link please?
jklaczpokemon.wordpress.com
Did you guys get to go to the queen Mary event in 2000 it was a huge event
The biggest problem with Andrew's deck is Mr Mime, which would single handedly shut it down. You don't have any answer to someone walling with Mime. Whose likely going to be spamming Energy Removal cards, and continually gusting up a Mewtwo. You mentioned Hitmonchan being unviable. Personally, I'd play Machop because it has one less retreat cost. Since Mewtwo is a BCIF card. Cards like Chansey and Likitung become popular walling cards. As they can take Psyburn's all day and then heal if off via Pokémon Center or Scoop Up. So exploiting fighting weakness isn't something you should overlook. As for Will's deck, I'd personally play Magmar over Electabuzz. It's attacks are more useful and has one less retreat cost. Not to mention poison is really strong in this format.
Here's my list, I've built with the idea of having an answer to stall decks that are designed to deck you out. The main answer to it is building up a hand and playing Lass before decking out., and possibly reusing it later with an Item Finder. That way you should be able to buy enough turns to win games against them.
*LIST*
4 Mewtwo
4 Magmar
2 Grimer
1 Muk
4 Bill
4 Energy Removal
4 Super Energy Removal
4 Item Finder
3 Computer Search
3 Gust of Wind
3 Professor Oak
2 Energy Retrieval
2 Scoop Up
2 Switch
1 Lass
9 Fire Energy
8 Psychic Energy
can't jigglypuff just pound the mr. mime? Or I believe Wigglytuff can put it to sleep with lullaby to shut off its pokemon power
@@HopUpOutDaBed You need a DCE to pull it off. Sleep relies on a 1/4 chance of having the active asleep. Thankfully the list I have has all kinds of ways of dealing with being walled.
Not for me I still work the same days lol 😂😂😂😂
does the wigglytuff deck have any way to damage mr. mime? I assume jigglybuff only. it sounds like a good card to improve electabuzz/mewtwo's matchup against this deck
Wigglytuff only does 20 damage if it's just Wigglytuff and 1 benched pokémon.
Of course, you'd have to know your opponent was running Mr.Mime for that to be useful.
If you use Lullaby on Mr. Mime and it stays asleep on your next turn, it's Pokemon Power is disabled and makes it vulnerable to an OHKO from Do The Wave.
were these draft decks? cause they seem very...wonky i mean Mews only for a small percentage of the meta, also ratatta? lol
Ive seen a Wigglytuff variant 4x Magmar, 3x Mewtwo promo 3x Scyther, from when team rocket was about to come out era(months before that) and he went undefeated, i would love to chat about the pokemon meta in the days from the begining till neo block.
Mew is for a large amount of the meta because mewtwo is super dominant. Also is sounds so fun to ko a ditto with a Rattata. Lol
@@ephus_ Maybe in very fringe decks, i used to play high level at that time fossil was released and even started to travel accross the US in the STS(Super Trainer Showdown) and Mew was very fringe, more people were running Aerodacytl to counter Hitmon and wiggly and during fossil Mew would only be used to hard counter any raindance decks that were early in the meta due to getting lapras and articuno but by rocket it was mostly traditional haymakers and wiggly hay with half running electabuzz/mewtwo
@@alexnas9634 ok thank you! That’s good to know!
The deck im trying to build for base fossil is mewtwo/hitmonchan
Hitmonchan kills buzz and normals which mewtwo sucks against mornals
Mewtwo and mew kill psychics that
Mewtwo with Fightings (Hitmonchan+Machop) and Dodrio right? I play that deck as well, it even got some decent matchup against Lickitung Stall 👍
In typical early wotc fashion, like mtg, expect lists of powerful non Pokémon cards (spells), and weak Pokémon (creatures) 😂
Born in 2000? Jeesh I’m old
Why he did attack in first turn? In my rule book its forbidden.
The rules were different in 1999
@@TrickyGym thanks for Ur respond. I checked it again and u are right. Base - Fossil u are allowed to Attack in first turn. My KI told me the rules of fossil from sword&shield.
Nice Format. I bought all Jason retro decks now. But in germany the retro community is not big enough.
Best regards to the states
If anyone curious about more decks here a link to some
jklaczpokemon.wordpress.com
The PlusPowers only affect the attack that turn, but I'm pretty sure they don't "attach" to the active pokemon. So it's perfectly valid to play a PlusPower (goes to the graveyard), Oak (into another PlusPower), play a second PlusPower (for +20 damage total), retreat the active pokemon into a benched, and then the newly active Pokemon's swing still gets the +20. This "attach" confusion is modern Pokemon thinking.
Oh really? I’ve always attached defenders and plus powers to the actual card as it’s just easier to remember that way with a lot going on haha
* it literally says attach to active Pokémon on the cards so I think you need to rethink your theory.
The sleeves used are so ugly haha
Also, it doesn't seem these retro plays have continued since covid, which is sad. Let me know if they have somewhere.
ugh would never shuffle the way there doing in the video..that cannnot be good for the cards at all.and there playing with valuable vintage cards>.>
It's a power move. I do it cause honestly people's tears sustain me 🤣
@@simonp4832 I used to treat cards delicately, but at the end of the day I'm here to play with them, not bind them.