Machine Gun Terminology - LMG, MMG, SAW, LSW, HMG, GPMG
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Today we will look at the various different categories of machine guns - what makes them, why they exist, and what their place in military history is. Specifically...
Automatic Rifle: Shoulder or hip fired, limited magazine capacity, minimal sustained fire capacity. Examples: M1918 BAR, Chauchat.
LMG: Magazine fed, rifle caliber, bipod fired. Examples: Bren, Madsen, Lewis.
HMG: Belt fed, usually water cooled, minimal portability, fired from tripod only. Examples: Maxim, Vickers, Hotchkiss 1914. Evolved into guns of caliber 12.7mm - 20mm, like the M2 and DShK.
MMG: Air cooled, tripod fired only, belt fed. Examples: Browning 1919A4, SG-43.
GPMG: Bipod or tripod fired, belt fed, rifle caliber, quick-change barrel. Examples: MG42, PKM, M240.
SAW/LSW: Intermediate caliber, magazine fed, bipod fired. Examples: L86A1, FN Minimi, RPK.
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The Chauchat wasn't an automatic rifle it was a specially made gun for jam clearing practice
was that a joke? if so HA good one
Not true. The Chauchat worked fine with the rimmed Lebel case. Not so with the rimless '06 case.
and to make a still.
@@janlabij7302r/woooosh?
@Noah Sanders you have the right idea, but it’s a bit of a stretch
Fun fact about the German MG 08/15 (mentioned at 23:35): it was so common that "08/15" now means "average, uninteresting, bland" in German and I still hear that phrase a lot here in Vienna! Most people aren't aware of where it originally came from though.
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@@mountainmamma1643 look it up its actually true
@@mountainmamma1643 I'm german and can confirm
Americans: "Acuracy is more important then volume of fire for suppression"
Germans: * Angry MG42 noises *
155 howitzers lob nukes a little accuracy is a nice bonus. For dam busting
-- Said the American as he was leaving his A10 warthog
The m60 is horribly inaccurate compared to the mg3 though
@@klunkeflunken Well fuck the M60. The proper comparison is M1919 Browning 30 cal machine gun to the MG42.
@@klunkeflunken
What? That's not true at all.
We always had ammo left after qualification because it was so easy to hit with.
The M60 was accurate. They just were worn out by the 90s with so many rounds through them.
They're still great guns, today, in the M60E6.
PKM is Ivan's favorite conceal carry.
For the God sake....how ivan can conceal the PKM?
@@bronxkal9275 lots of vodka and gulag time
the M61 Vulcan is his favourite home defence weapon
LSW - also known as Long Silly Weapon.
Perfect to accompany your silly walks!
ravemastaj I'm gonna have to have a talk with the Ministry to approve that comment
Dammit, I kind of expected the Spanish Inquisition.
John Slavin LSW - LONG STICKY WANG
There is a common misunderstanding about .50BMG regarding use against personnel. The urban legend is that it is a war crime to shoot personnel with it because it is intended for anti-material/anti-armor purposes. One of the common things you would hear old vets say is, "Aim for their metal belt buckles because they count as armor/equipment." This is actually not true though. There is nothing characteristically about .50BMG that would prevent it from legal use against a person according to The Hague. Some speculate that the origin of such legends stem from Infantry command instructing soldiers to not use .50BMG on personnel in order to conserve limited ammunition supplies during Vietnam. It would suck to run out of anti-material ammo in deep combat and then have to deal with a fortified emplacement.
Of course, if you stop and actually think about it, the legend doesn't make any practical sense at all anyway. Are we meant to believe that use of mortars, conventional artillery shells and air dropped bombs are totally fine on personnel but .50BMG is just too much maiming and undue injury?
Also to add on that misnomer; people will often state that its "against the Geneva Conventions" to do so. The Geneva Convention deals with the treatment of persons, not the use of weapons during war. The Hague Conventions were the treaties that deal with the weapons used during war time.
Good call out.
Excellent points, but doesn't the Hague ban expanding bullets while allowing all the aforementioned deadly toys such as artillery etc (not to mention nuclear arsenals)? Always seemed ludicrous to me. I think you're probably right, with a bit of the old "stop using expensive rounds when the cheap ones work" mentality.
You are correct, the Hague does ban the use of expanding bullets except for military police and special missions. However, .50BMG is most often used today in its FMJ Ball form, meaning it is not designed to expand and fits the requirements of standard infantry ammuniton.
Sorry, I do understand that it is predominantly FMJ being used, with a smattering of exotic rounds, I just put that badly. What I meant was in relation to the final sentence of your original post. It would be possible for somebody to think that if expanding bullets are banned, then logically it may follow that something as large and powerful as .50BMG would also be banned.
time stamps
HMG 0:43
MMG 2:24
Automatic Rifle 4:15
LMG 8:15
GPMG 11:20
SAW 16:12
HMG (Redux, modern definition) 19:20
Outliers 21:32
Thank you
Yes, thank you!
@@heyitsdrew hopefully they are the target's lol
11:20 is actually GMPG, lol
11:20 general machine purpose gun?
I'd consider the outliers to be MMGs. They can be used both as HMGs and vaguely like LMGs, and don't necessarily have the upsides or downsides of either.
"Guns only fired effectively from their mounts"
*John Basilone intensifies*
My definitions are for normal humans, not uber-badasses. :)
*British Army intensifies*
*Jesse Ventura has joined the chat
@ how no?
The panthers used wcmg well up into the 80's, for good reason. Lighten the block and.... waalaah particimo. Plus a mg carrier can run faster than any uber-baddass.
Which begs the age old question: is a mortar small arms or artillery?
Mortars are light weapons or heavy weapons, depending on caliber. The cutoff is typically around 120mm, but subject to debate.
Well, in the Dutch army, every weapon barrel in caliber above 40mm is called artillery. So, basicly every mortar is a heavy weapon. And everything above 120mm is called heavy artillery.
Dutchman 2. Username checks out.
US Army regards 90mm and 106mm Recoiless, 60mm, 80mm, and 4.2 Inch Mortars as Small Arms. Geoff Who was a 45B20 in the 1970s.
The Mexican army regards everything above 80 mm as artillery and is operated by that branch. That left infantry branch without recoilless rifles.
obligatory "LMG, MOUNTED AND LOADED"
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@@calebbutler5566 DP-28/DPM. Not DP-08.
Dinner is served
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This is one for the support players...
AMMO BAG ! AMMO ! I NEED SOM FOOKING BULLETS HERE OUTTA AMMO! Man do support players even know how to support their teammates lol
@@npne1253
no basically every new players chose support class in any games for the LMG because 30 rounds aint enough for em
Except bipods in real life actually worked...
1919A6 ... the heavy light machine gun.
Eh, it's all relative
It's like they looked at the MG08/15 and thought, Yes! We need more of that! :)
I like to believe that they had a good laugh at the ordinance department passing the idea around as a joke without thinking that upper management would take it seriously.
It answered the question-How can we throw a lot of lead at the opposition as quickly as possible with what we've got. Surley that comes under the heading of Improvised or Craft built? :-~)
Maxim-Tokarev also made looking at 08/15
It really is good to be explained all the little details in that jungle of abbreviations and differences that people normally are not aware of.
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I've been trying to create an item sorting lexicon for an rpg my friends and I have been working on. There are many different weapons to consider, and the nomenclature available is confusing as hell. Your videos have helped me considerably.
There is a common misunderstanding about .50BMG regarding use against personnel. The urban legend is that it is a war crime to shoot personnel with it because it is intended for anti-material/anti-armor purposes. One of the common things you would hear old vets say is, "Aim for their metal belt buckles because they count as armor/equipment." This is actually not true though. There is nothing characteristically about .50BMG that would prevent it from legal use against a person according to The Hague. Some speculate that the origin of such legends stem from Infantry command instructing soldiers to not use .50BMG on personnel in order to conserve limited ammunition supplies during Vietnam. It would suck to run out of anti-material ammo in deep combat and then have to deal with a fortified emplacement.
Of course, if you stop and actually think about it, the legend doesn't make any practical sense at all anyway. Are we meant to believe that use of mortars, conventional artillery shells and air dropped bombs are totally fine on personnel but .50BMG is just too much maiming and undue injury?
Same here! For some stuff, I as a sci-fi world-builder just make up some new terminology when applicable but it is certainly helpful to have this real-world basis.
@@jeremyroland5602 probably a comment bot. They're everywhere these days
Cool video. Best explanation of MG classes I've heard.
23:38 And seeing Ian shooting a maxim gun from the hip in a German helmet was priceless.
ian is a proper bloke.
everything always looks very neat and squared away in the background but covered in about 5 inches of dust. just like my house!
The m60e3. Rambo used it like an smg
Yeah but stalones arm looked like it was about to pop in Every scene.
really not possible, even for a big guy, to fire effectively without a mount. i used to carry one, basically a fire hose of bullets.
rambo can use two Maxim's on each hand! :-)
Lol!
@@plasticoflamingo2952 it is. I did it, when I was in the army, using a MAG. However, you don't hold it like Rabo. But from the shoulder and in short bursts. But then, we Dutch are a bit bigger than Americans.
Am I the only one disappointed that there wasn’t even a passing mention of the M60?
Yeah, I was surprised he could talk about GPMGs without mentioning the M60.
Me too as it is used from the hip/shoulder and is belt fed
PKM master race
Mg42 top-cover slapped on a BAR/1919 hybrid with a quick change barrel its general purpose because its literally is every class mushed into one
yes
"Dempsey always told me LMG stood for 'Lick My Gibblets'"
-Richtofen
"So I grabbed Dempsey and demanded to know what LMG really stood and he said 'Let me go dumbass'... I did not know it was LMGD"
-Richtofen
When I joined the army in 1994 I started firing machine guns with the M60. After making it to my permanent duty station in FT.Lewis WA we switched to the M240B machine gun and the quick changed barrel was one of the greatest things about that gun. I was in a machine gun squad and part of a 3 man gun squad. Later while close to my discharge date in 1998 I was a M249 gunner before becoming a team leader with the M4. Great thing about being in the infantry
240L carved a bunch of the weight off, used them in Afghanistan. great weapons
Which one was your favorite tho?
the 240 L of coarse. But in 1994 the version of the 240 we were using was the 240 G with no heat shields out front and we had no technical book for it at all. We had to make our own . Also we would take the gun to the range when we first got it and we're able to knock down 800 meter targets at night with no problem due to the new flex mount on the tripod. The reduced recoil was the best part of the system.
James T43 The FN MAG or Jimpy (GPMG) as we call it....superb machine gun. For a time, I was a jimpy gunner and an L4 A1 (7.62mm Bren) gunner...fantastic fire power. Cant say i had experience with the 249. I have used the G3 or the old MG 42, very good gun!
Matthew Dobbs :; I would really like to have a go with the MG42.
Just one thing to add: after the Korean war anti-aircraft use of HMGs shifted. it is true, that these weapons are obsolete against jet planes, however with the introduction of helicopters to the modern battlefield HMGs still have the potential to take down these aerial vechicles quite effectivly. Light anti-air capabilities alongside infantry portable surface-to-air missile systems still can rely on heavy machineguns.
Just what I said.
Heard that most of USA copter losses in Vietnam were due to HMGs.
I would just like to thank whoever does the captions, they are excellent. If CZcams has taught me anything it is that good transcription is invaluable, and that despite all of Google’s computing power, auto-generated captions are still effectively impossible. This channel is so good at what it does it makes me weep for all the rest.
I'm a bit surprised you never went over the oddity of the M60 and how that turned out, popping in and out of service in a few ways.
I'm also surprised he doesn't mention it but it is a pretty classic GPMG, more deserving of the term than the M240 really
0:44 Ooo, graphics!
Ikr😂
WHOA IAN DON'T BREAK THE BUDGET
J Slik standard IMovie text animation lol.
SPEEDYNOOB r/whoosh
Easy there Michael Bay!
I don't care what Ian says, my old battlebuddy, the MG3 still rules the field!
Heck, I'm still sore and heartbroken over having to hand in my G3 for the puny HK416N.
Tho, my unit just got the MG3 reissued, to much cheers and celebration, so I'm not all sad :P
shut up
Good gun. We still use it too, it is just called the MG74. I wouldn't want any other gun to cover me.
This was really fun to watch. I'd like to see Ian give lectures on history that is not necessarily related to firearms. Of course, I'm sure he has more than enough to do already.
Another informative video! Great job on all your work. The one machine gun that was conspicuously absent was the M-60. With its weight and belt fed ammo it was a bear to have to hump, but definitely packed a serious punch. The tripod and T&E mechanism provided an excellent base from which to fire it in a defensive position, but it was hellaciously heavy to have to carry on top of one's other gear.
Now what about Gatling guns? Are they considered some form of machine guns, or are they just considered gatling guns?
Ignore this if he's already covered it
If you mean the hand cranked type, I left them out because they really weren't the same as machine guns. They were treated like artillery for the most part. If you mean modern electrically powered multi-barrel guns, they are all aircraft machine guns, as that's the role where the rate of fire makes practical sense. When deployed on ground vehicles, they are simply repurposed aircraft machine guns. :)
I had a conversation with someone earlier about this, and I personally thought they were always classified as their own genre of weapon, mostly due to being multi-barreled. Even the M134 and other aircraft-bound multi-barrel autocannons are called gatling guns (although I'm not sure if that's an official designation)
They are manually operated machine guns. The term machine gun originated with them.
TheGoldenCaulk Having multiple barrels does not really change the tactical role of the firearm that much. Just means it takes longer to overheat.
You should be a history teacher
Am I not already?
Forgotten Weapons your the best history teacher/weapons instructer on youtube and the Internet at that
Forgotten Weapons you are👍
@@ForgottenWeapons If there was an in person classroom, that you used to teach about guns, I would absolutely be a student haha.
He is duh
I genuinely have to say, thank you, Ian. This was actually much more informative than I anticipated, and cleared up some things surrounding the terminology of machine guns I couldn’t find anywhere else.
LOVED Ian’s demonstration at the end of the video of the chopped Maxim: his little “trot” made my day! Keep it up buddy!
That editing really caught me off guard
Straight out of 2005
In regards to the Automatic Rifle, those old words ring true.
"Nihil novi sub Sole." Nothing is new under the Sun.
shut up
Man this was great! Cool to see you look at a variety of guns in a single vid like this, not talking so much about them in detail but describing their role and use. It's nice for someone like me who is as far from an expert on this stuff as you can get, the context adds so much.
Glad you noted the 249’s unreliable magazine feeding issues, it is extremely tedious and just better off left alone.
The BREN wasn't phased out after WW2, it was in service with the British Army and Royal Marines until the mid 80's, we had them during the Falklands war, along with the Lee Enfield sniper rifles converted to 7.62.
The GPMG mostly replaced LMGs after the WW2, but not in Great Britain.
The Bren Gun (in 7.62x51mm NATO) continued to serve in the LMG / SAW role alongside the GPMG. It could accept the same magazine as the L1A1 rifle. It also continued in use as a vehicle-mounted weapon.
It was replaced in the LMG / SAW role by the L86 LSW in the 80s with the adoption of 5.56x45mm as the standard rifle cartridge.
marvincz3 or you could use the 30rd bren mag in the l1a1 lots of fun
The LMG was used in British regular service (RAF at least) until the early 90's (I was using one in 92) and I think for longer than that in the Territorial units.
@@chrismills8927 The problem with using the LMG mag in the SLR was the fact that the spring was weaker than the SLR mag as it used gravity to help feed the gun as it was fitted to the top of the weapon and just stretching the spring would cause it to snap.
This was just insanly informative, I learned allot here! Your work is pretty solid Ian. Also your voice and way of talking is really easy to follow despite all the thick history and dificult termologies :)
Keep these terminology and tech vids coming along with the history and indepth vids. :)
Ian, I'm really glad you made this video. I think this terminology can seem kind of arcane at first, but it really shows the design intent and the tactical roles that ordinance departments were trying to fill.
Awesome video, Ian, as always!
Also want to give a quick shout-out to whoever did the Chinese caption: You did a really good job!
(I can see that the translator is someone who actually knows guns and their terminologies, which, of course, I knew I could expect from a person Ian chose to work with him.)
Thank you guys, and keep up the great work! Happy New Year from Canada!
I was told (And always believed) that the defining characteristic of a Machine Gun was the ability to self-feed: I.E. Modern Rifles rely on the spring within the magazine to feed the rounds, but a machine gun would eject the casing, pull in a new round, and chamber it autonomously without relying on external force.
I also believed that weapons that relied on magazines and fired full sized cartridges were called "Battle Rifles". You learns something new every day!
Looking forward to hearing you clear up that segment: The one on Assault/Battle rifles!
For how I see it, the chauchat is a battle rifle, same with the BAR. Automatic rifle really is only a term of usage doctrine, and not so much the physics characteristics of the weapon. For instance, the bar and chauchat are the first gen of battle rifle as they: use box mags of small capacity, fires full power rifle cartridges, full auto fire, heavier platform, while having ergonomics of older weapons. Let’s be honest, they’re just like an Fal, m14 or a G3, I don’t care what they were meant to be used for.
@@leafgreensniper13 They are nothing like the FAL, M14, or G3. They're too heavy to be battle rifles, and besides, they lack select fire.
They shoot full power rifle cartridges in full auto. Only have 20 round mags, so they can’t be used effectively as a lmg. They in fact carry many similarities to modern battle rifles.Think of them like an early battle rifle. Automatic rifle is just a usage doctrine.
@@leafgreensniper13You misunderstood the concept of automatic rifles, even though they don't have the same sustained fire capability as other machine guns, they still don't compare to assault rifles/battle rifles (battle rifles/assault rifles has the purpose of making relatively accurate groups with few shots/bursts, if you try to do continuous fire it will compromise not only accuracy, but also the condition of the weapon).
Another detail is that automatic rifles used to be in full powered caliber, as it was the main ammunition used by the armed forces, which facilitates logistics (it's not surprising that bolt-action rifles and machine guns were of the same caliber and I would say that only It was with the arrival of submachine guns that this paradigm changed a little, as they already used the same ammunition as pistols, precisely to facilitate logistics).
Another thing that shows that automatic rifles are different from battle rifles is that because they are intended to achieve a certain volume of fire, they can be fired from a open bolt (as chauchat and BAR are), which would be unthinkable in a battle rifle, because as I said, they are intended to be relatively accurate.
An example that automatic rifles are different from battle rifles is the FAL HBAR (version with a heavier barrel to support greater firepower), because the battle rifle does not have the capacity to carry out a large volume of fire, not even by short periods (of course in an emergency situation you can use the automatic capability, but it is still very limited compared to the automatic rifle).
Furthermore, automatic rifles have the idea of being lighter (compared to other machine gun classes), so that they can deliver a good volume of fire during the advance, even though they do not have the same capacity as other machine guns and can be effectively fired from the shoulder.
There is a very interesting video discussing the role of the automatic rifle called: Squad Automatic Rifle, from Christopher Larsen channel.
Hey man, I love your vids. I've learned a lot from them both historically and technically speaking. So well put together!
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just gonna brag a bit here: my unit just assigned me as the SAW gunner for my squad 😎
forget about the fact that im in a non-deployable unit 😢
I always forget the terminology for MG's.
HMG - Heavy Machine Gun
MMG - Medium Machine Gun
LMG - Light Machine Gun
GPMG - General Purpose Machine Gun
SAW - Squad Automatic Weapon
LSW - Light Support Weapon
(I'm just writing these here to try to remember)
@@gloomsouls I mean, it's eco friendly, at least you are not wasting any paper. 🤔😁
Cool, another Rudy
Ian I've been loving your videos right from when I found your channel a few years ago. Now finding "my" gun crew with my distinctive self made carrying sling attached to the MG3 in one of your videos just kills it. ;-) The pic was taken at a semi-public demonstration (hence the yellow triangles on the back) and somehow made it to the English Wikipedia page of the MG3...
Keep up all those great videos!
Another excellent video covering the basics - keep 'em coming and a happy new year!
Love these concept videos, 'machinegun terminology' and 'rifle lengths'. Very interesting and informative. I've someone's new to guns this is probably one of the better ways to get them diving into the deep end of it.
can u do (or have u done) a video on the differences between submachineguns? eg a PDW, SMG and machine pistol?
That is the next one in this series. :)
looking forward to it
I'm looking forward to it too. I sometimes play airsoft (don't laugh it's the only non criminal way you can shoot at other people) and they often play pistols only. They constantly say my VZ61 and Mp5K aren't pistols.
Ken Morgan MP5Ks arent really pistols. Skorpions toe the line a lot more though i think
Butbut Maschinen~pistole so it's a pistol :D
Hey Ian, I really like this type of video where you talk about processing all of this knowledge about firearms and their use. It seems like an ideal way to join all of the mechanical knowledge of Forgotten Weapons with the more abstract concepts of "tactical use" from InRange.
I hope to see more vids like this in the future!
Awesome video, Ian. Loved the M-27 while I was in. Like the tactical concept of precision over volume.
This was excellent. Very informative and interesting. Some of the terminology can be confusing, especially in the case of how the HMG has evolved over the years, and this video really helps with all this.
It's funny that Ian mentioned M27 IAR as USMC has now decided to field it as DMR also
dandhan87 my battalion did a dm course and that’s what we used with match grade ammo and it’s damn near a 1 moa gun with match grade ammo but the bullet is really light so wind carries it more than a 7.62
Alex Grashel I think ammo commonality will be great on a platoon / squad level carrying separate ammo type for just one gun will be a pain point
dandhan87 if only I am carrying the weapon system and the ammo as well as a m4 with 6 mags I don’t think it will be any different from the things I’ve carried before some things it would be lighter and I would just throw the 7.62 in my assault pack and strap the weapon system to my assault pack as well and then employ it as needed
It's funny that the USA has to re-arm its' military just to have full auto assault rifles. Most countries just issued FA from the get-go and hammered into their soldiers fire discipline.
@@cutekittes3 you think you could hit a target consistently in full auto at 300 yards with it? with a bipod of course
Fun Fact: The MG 08/15 is the Origin of a German figure of speech ("08/15"), which means something like mediocre, average (or below average), "common but not really that great"
A lot of soldiers probably hated that gun with passion after they had carry it during an assaults or any other activity which involved walking and running with it.
I was thinking the same when I heard him talk about it. I always thought it had something to do with time though (like a 08/15 job that would usually start at 08:15, even if that doesn't make much sense ;))
Well.. 8 out of 15 (08/15) is really a mediocre score
Funny that the French commanders thought their Chauchats were bad, while thought the 08/15 was great and the Germans thought the exact opposite.
It was great to have on your side, just the poor buggers who carried it hated it more than their enemy.
Great great video, seems very well researched, great calm yet not slow presentation. Well done sir!
This video had so much information that I was looking for FOREVER. Thank you very much Forgotten weapons. I want to come visit the collection in Tuscon so badly!
Drinking game : take a shot every time he says "sustained" lol
Great video as always !
Bourbon? something a little stronger or a lot stronger like Moonshine?
Aaron S ethyl alcohol could work.
I'm not sure that game could be sustained for very long.
This guys job seems awesome.
History and firearms
I've found your channel few days ago and I love it! Extensive information, well presented and perfectly explained. Thank to your work I get to know interesting weapon which no one talks about. You have here a new subscriber.
Nos vemos
I really enjoyed this video; it'd be cool to see more content like this every now and then. Keep up the great work!
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Jesus wasn’t white though
strys Obviously you do. If you really didn’t care you would just go past it. Wanna talk about it?
strys You’re going to have to one day my friend. Good luck.
Cozy sweater Custerd
His sweater is made of gun belt canvas.
Don't think you can fool us Ian this video topic is just an excuse for you to show off your machine gun collection
Literally nothing I put on the table was a machine gun. :)
oof
@@ForgottenWeapons Is this a joke or am I clueless?
Thanks for another insightful video Ian, always look forward to watching your stuff.
I love this video, both because it's informative, and because Ian gets to show off some hardware ;)
*UPDATE*: the USMC is now rotating in the M27 IAR (HK416) as not only it’s Automatic Rifle role, but also as the standard DMR and infantry rifle. Exceptions include medical staff, unit leaders, and anyone requiring lightweight kit or a 40mm underbarrel (m203 not currently compatible)
11:21 You put GMPG instead of GPMG
General Machine-Purpose Gun, I suppose?
Gun, Machine, Purpose-General
General Machine Purpose Gun
Richard Roberts Ahh... Lovely Welsh
General Philip Morgan's Gun.
I was aware of what these terms meant before I watched the video, but I'm hooked on your vids. You rock!
I wish I could buy you a beer, you are simply awesome. Always shedding some light and experienced knowledge on topics that always peak my interest. Probably overall the best channel I've found on CZcams, although The Great War is a close second. :)
Your video taught me a lot of things thank you ! (sorry for my English I'm French)
You speak English better than I speak French!
stranger guy bon soir mon amis, jai habit en france pendant sept ans maintenant...Charente Maritime....votre anglais, c'est bien! Mon francais pas bien mai je essayez tous les jour!
Thanks guys !
I accept your apology for being French
@Stranger Sam - Your English here is parfait. Vive la France y le français! Did you know that Ian is learning more French for his upcoming book on French military rifles?
Ian, this is one of most interesting videos I've seen in a while. Thank you so much. My question is why do you consider the M27 to be a Automatic Rifle and not a Squad Automatic Rifle? The M27 fires a 5.56 NATO round from a STANAG magazine.
Love your backroung pictures! Showing love for the Suomi M31 SMG!
Great video Ian! So informative. I would love more vids like this!
Better than Lindybeige's video on the topic at least haha
BLASPHEMY
Lloyd's video was sufficient to explain differences to the average person (short and simple). Ian's is more comprehensive.. less tangential, and more detailed, but this is Ian's specialty so it's a given.
I used to show Lloyds, when I couldn't be bothered, this one will replace it.
Lloyd is BRITISH and has a certain ... orientation ... to the British Army view from WWII especially. Geoff Who notes it was informative.
Lindy is a british with a limited experience & knowledge about firearms but do his best effort to explain the topic, lan is american & a shooter & gun connoseiur. There' s a world of difference between both.
Spandau intensifies.
6:00 fudds *laughs in 9mm belt fed AR*
These vids are great, really interesting and informative. Good work. 👍
Thank you very much for putting the laconic text version in the description!
I always thought SAW stood for Semi-Automatic Wifle!
23:36 Krawling Kaiser Fire!!!
The History Guy
Love your channel, Ian! So informative!
That makes so much more sense to me now. I knew all the terms but didn't see how they all came together. Thank you
The RPD is a SAW right?
Yes, despite being belt fed.
The first, right?
Certainly the first to be widely adopted, yes.
RPD was a Handheld Machine Gun which is a typical eastern term for LMG/SAW hybrid.
11:20 General Murpose Pachine Gun
I'm glad someone else saw it.
cool little animations... always bringing up the quality Ian :-)
Really like this kind of videos Ian :). Like all of your videos but espacially the ones with several weapons and explanations in the same vid
Is that a Suomi KP i see in the background? Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan.
When are we gona see a video on your Chauchat?
I think he is still waiting for it because of the NFA process.
+go away yes, but he bought a .30-06 Chauchat via auction this year.
likely when he figures out how to do a disassembly without it jamming then breaking.
Sir Godz-Very funny. Actually, the Chauchat in 8 mm Lebel worked very well. When the army demanded it be converted to 30-06 the problems started. Jamming due to extraction problems that never showed up with Lebel cartridges. Lebel is rimmed, 06 is rimless.
You do a great job breaking things down. Love your work. 👍💪
Excellent video! The automatic rifle and the light machine guns were always a blurry distinction, and this video clarified it. Also, the M1919A6 struck me as an attempt to make a BAR out of the M1919A4. Your definitions are very useful, but as you pointed out, there are always exceptions to the rules.
Excellent sermon, I'm glad I made it to church this week.
Perhaps a better term for that Israel .50 would be a modern medium machine gun since it’s in between a modern light and heavy machine gun like the 1930’s-40’s ones were in between light and heavy machine guns of their day
Favorite firearms channel of mine. Huge fan.
I'd never think that a half hour long video on the finer points of classification and terminology could be this entertaining.
What would you say would be the fundamental differences between a machine rifle and an assault rifle? Seems like they are essentially the same but the rifles are older and thus heavier
I would say it's a matter of relative firepower. The automatic rifle/machine rifle is intended to provide more fire than the service rifle it is being used with. Hence, BAR/Springfield and Chauchat/Lebel, and M27/M4.
an assault rifle takes an intermediate round and has a selection of firing modes one of which being full auto. this would be a step up from the smgs like the Thompson or the ppsh, that fired a pistol round with lower accuracy.
Isn't the difference open bolt on the mg vs closed in the ar?
no, that would be a technical diffrences based on nessisary operations, i think that the main diffrences would come in with the cartridge, an automatic rifle being a full rifle cartage where the assault rifle uses an intermediate cartridge.
Great video! Super informative, but what exactly is a sub machine gun (SMG)?
Fully automatic firearm firing pistol calibre
General Criteria: Mag fed, Fully automatic, with a Stock (folding or fixed) and fires a pistol calibre.
Thank you very much for that very comprehensive though clear and easy to follow explanation.
Ian , once again I've learnt loads . Great video 👍🇬🇧
Bren: People labeled me as a machine gun but I self identify as a sniper rifle
11:22 should the abbreviation be 'GPMG' (general purpose machine gun,) not GMPG...?
More of these types of videos my man, love this channel
Great video! Really liked this one.