This is why Sindri couldn't forgive Atreus in God of War Ragnarök
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- God of War Ragnarök Director Eric Williams explains why Sindri could not forgive Atreus or Kratos. Sindri was a kind person who decided to use all his talents to help Kratos and Atreus on their quest to free Týr, the Norse god of war.
However, Odin disguised himself as Tyr, used Atreus to enter Sindri's home on the World Tree Yggdrasil, and killed Sindri's brother Brok. Sindri blamed Kratos and Atreus for not only Brok's death but also for abusing their friendship. Sindri never forgave Kratos or Atreus even after Brok's funeral.
Eric Williams explained that this was designed to illustrate the fact that some relationships can remain broken forever and that not all stories get a happy ending. In contrast, the Vanir goddess and Queen of the Valkyries, Freya, forgave Kratos, to a certain extent, for killing her son Baldur.
In addition, a small detail that was never addressed was Sindri's role in Baldur's death. Sindri was the one who gave Atreus the mistletoe arrows which ultimately led to Baldur losing his immortality. But his relationship with Freya did not seem to suffer because of it.
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This is why Brok forgives Sindri: czcams.com/video/e7t-bdP0NF4/video.html
I think an important detail is how he teleports in the open instead of dissappearing round a corner like he usually did, he just doesn't care as much anymore since brok died
And another, more obvious one, is how he hasn't washed himself or his armor from Brok's blood since his death. With him being a germophobe/neat freak and all, it really shows the only thing that really matters to him after all, is his brother.
@Apethantos he has nothing of his brother. blood and germs sure but he can't let go. Because he's got nothing left nothing he can claim he has.
@@Apethantos The game actually tells you why he is like that.. The Well and all the ""hands" ^_^
His combat also becomes identical to the way brok fought, hammer and a sword, no more standing afar so you don't get splattered
@@Helifax19 i thought it was a witch or woman who taught him about germs? The hands just proves how much he was willing to do to get his brother back or at least imo
That reference to the "giving tree" felt like a follow-up punch to the gut in this context.
Well sindri did metaphorically say it. If I remember he said to Atreus how he constantly took as much as sindri gave. Seemed like sindri knew he was somewhat taken advantage of but kept quite since he DID love Atreus. But broks death was the straw that broke the camels back. Rip brok.
I actually had that book when I was a little kid and would read/look through it quite often. Brought back memories but also made this feel much closer to home.
Yeah but the point of the giving tree story was that the tree loved so much that she didn't mind giving and giving and being taken advantage of. Even when the tree was down to nothing but a stump, with nothing left to give, the tree still gave, out of love and kindness. The tree didn't say screw you and guilt trip the kid
I think you missed the point of the giving tree, its not about how giving an giving can make you end up with nothig left, its about how te boy kept looking for something else in the world yet forgot to look at the very thing that loved him and took care of him.
its about not counting your blessings and so in the end hes old and sad because he focused on what he wants instead of what he has.
@@p.v.7269 the trees brother didn’t die tho
Sindri:"You want 'sorry'? This is what 'sorry' looks like."
That moment hit me harder than Mjolnir. Poor Sindri......
Hurt after when kratos said they no longer are family
@@minatodroger7890 no he said, "he was also our family", was as in Brock dead now :"/
Clearly Kratos aims to maintain his house cuz he believes they're still family
@@haunter4764 he didn't say that. Atreas said " I thought we were his family too" and kratos replied "we were"
@@kaikage6060 😭😭😭😭😭
I think everyone foresaw hen saying: "so what you can do is get the fuck outra my sight"
Playing through Ragnarok for the first time i found it odd how many objects that you need are given to you by sindri but with this context it just makes me sad
He says so in game, “Atreus you only took until I had nothing left to give”
@@semillakan6 Yeah it hurt my soul when he said that. Sindri was the most passive and non violent character in the series and I did start to notice Artreus seemed to be taking advantage of him a little
@@bibbus3588 In their defense, Kratos and Atreus never did ask Sindri for anything but he simply gave it to them unprompted. Kratos and Atreus were always appreciative but for Sindri to put it as if they demanded it from him was a lowblow for sure. It's like that friend who treats you for free but then uses them to guilt trip you later on is the worst kind of friend to have.
@@silenthero2795 yeah so sindri is kinda indian giving to a degree with that line
@@charliebaker1427 you’re looking at it from a biased perspective.Sindry never asked for anything, and always gave willingly. His brother was murdered in front of his eyes, for the second time, due to being around Loki and Kratos. He is clearly very hurt and lost his brother, but you’re acting like he’s guilting them into feeling bad. Btw also never took anything back from them, so idk why you’d say he’s Indian giving.
Honestly sindris pain was expressed so well it genuinely hurt so much to see him after broks death and especially in broks shop you see him with no gloves it's perfect
Not gonna lie, I think overstayed for a bit because Sindri now looks like an asshole as if the people around him haven't experienced the same loss.
@@silenthero2795 you missed the whole point if you think he's an asshole he's in the right he's allowed to be angry
@@Rag_ab I fully understand his grief but knowing the tragic backstory of the people he keeps company with, his lashing out at them seems to be terribly misplaced. Even if Atreus saved his life during the Siege of Asgard, he keeps acting it changes nothing. If Sif and Freya can forgive Kratos and Atreus who I should add directly killed their sons, Sindri seems to be placing his anger on both of them when he sees Odin kill his brother in front of him. He's allowed to be angry, but not at the people who has no fault of their own.
@@silenthero2795 people grieve irrationally and differently
@@silenthero2795 i mean, Freya "forgave" them a few years later after some rough experiences together. Sindri at the very least would need time.
Glad they're going the distance direction, it would be weird to see him bounce back in what felt like such a short time.
It's definitely gonna take at LEAST a few years for him to bounce back from this, even if he starts helping Atreus again.
@@franciscoandres4907 no doubt, though if the sequel is Dwarf of War then we may be seeing the series go in a different direction.
@@TeeComedian which pantheon do you think will be in the next game?
@@KRYPTIC05 I think Persian would be interesting; especially given GoW 3's original ending.
You mean the way Sif and Thrúd did, 5 minutes after the last fight when their father died and they lost everything, suddely from living in Asgard to living in a cave.. They were just chilling like everything is as it`s supposed to be... this game was so rushed at some points. I felt many times there`s a disconnect between the actions that happened and the characters, as it did not make sense. When you rescue Freyr's friend, the giant, and you ask him how did he survived he replies with "i rolled".. is that some cringy joke, or how are you supposed to take it seriously. Angrboda and the balls with the giants' souls, Freyr and his camp, totally extra content with no meaning, could have been cut from the story all together. no character development, no expansion. Meanwhile Thor and Odin were amazing characters of which I wanted to know so much more about, yet we knew a little. Odin is a jerk and until the very end you believe he is a jerk because people just tell you so, with no objective proof of why. You can tell he is a psychopath found in an ultimate search of meaning and truth. But other than that he provides for the aesir, albeit for his own convenience. Good game, good story, some amazing characters, but overall, story wise, inconsistent, incohesive, and not as polished and focused as the first game. Yes they expanded on everything, but ultimately leave me with a lot of hangers, and unanswered questions. The real tear which Odin was so obsessed about, was so interesting, something I wanted to explore around, find about more.. which lead to absolutely nothing. Good game, but unfinished in my opinions. These are just a few of the issues that reviewers don`t even mention, I only saw universal praise for a flawed masterpiece.
I never really considered how much Sindri had given of himself. Until Brok died, I had just considered him as a moderately charming game mechanic. Kinda makes me think of all the other characters in video games that we constantly take advantage of.
@@cloverasmrr hey alright, I hope your day's going well
@@Giraffinator no you are correct. They even say it in the game.
@@edgarb.6187 I mean, I don't really think the two just take from Sindri either. I think Sindri gives and gives and gives and Kratos and the boy receive and receive and receive, perhaps not exclusively, but arguably in great quantity. I do, I think, imply that they take advantage of the Huldra brothers, but I think that is not the same as taking, as much as taking advantage of an opportunity for a good business deal is not the same thing as purely taking from the other party.
His comment about always giving and Kratos and Atreus always taking hit me right in the hacksilver.
A big one is when they take Tyr to Sindri's house without asking at all. You see from Sindri's passive aggressive remarks that he is unhappy that Atreus basically volunteered up Sindri's home without asking or even acknowledging it.
Considering who Tyr actually is and what happens, I could how some of the blame on Atreus could be placed for bringing Tyr into Sindri's home unannounced.
Sindri is basically what Freya was in the previous game.
Both helped Kratos and Atreus at multiple occasions and in the end both lost someone dear to them, in which they blame Kratos and Atreus.
Freya's pain lasted over 3 years with her constantly trying to kill Kratos and get her revenge. She managed to see past that as she saw similarities between Atreus and Baldur while hearing Kratos experience in revenge.
Sindri's pain is currently fresh and it's difficult to know his future. Either he will take responsibility for his own faults or continue blaming others. In the end, it's his choice to make.
Freya had to realize that she is not free of blame, she put Baldur on the path of self destruction. It was her actions that started all of it
Sindri gave A LOT to kratos and atreus though, his treasures, skills, friendship, home and all that he has now is just emptiness, not even a proper apology from atreus when he smacked him. That speech of his makes me think his feelings are very much justified and it would be much better for him to stay that way.
Yeah, except this is worse because with Freya, she had to realize the truth, which was that her son ultimately died because SHE drove him mad and Kratos was more just a force of nature acting on protective instinct. With Sindri, he genuinely did almost nothing to cause the death of Brok, which is why his anger and grief are SO justified. Forgiveness from him isn't something I feel he owes Atreus or Kratos because there was no give and take in that relationship. Sadly, all they ever did was take from Sindri, with the only helpful thing they ever did was to help reunite the brothers, which ultimately led to Broks death anyway. Bottom line, Sindri's anger is much more justifiable than Freya's, so I wouldn't expect him to have a change of heart.
it's not even close, Freya's pain subsides because Baldur tried to hinder Kratos and Atreus so they had to defend themselves against him, also in a way she IS responsible for it all along since she is the reason Baldur turned out that way and Kratos ended the cycle of hate for Baldur is actually him doing the dirty work for her in which she knew deep down that it must be done amidst all of her denial
in Sindri's case, he is NOT responsible for ANYTHING, Brok is also not someone who hinders Kratos and Atreus, what happened with Brok not having souls doesn't have anything to do with Atreus(I wont use Kratos in this matter because Kratos is not hurting Sindri as much as Atreus, not even close), they are a vital part of their journey, yet what did Atreus do to Sindri and Brok all these times? he said hurtful words towards sindri, physically hurt sindri, and finally, his "quest" for Tyr indirectly brought the one person they don't want to be there into their home, causing Brok to die in the process, sindri have no responsibility to take in this matter, it's Atreus
@@oniplus4545 bro, Sindri isn’t completely faultless either. This wasn’t the first time he lost his brother, but instead of accepting his death, he still brought Brok back and kept it a secret. You could assume he would’ve done it again if Brok didn’t straight up tell him to let him go.
I lived what Sindri goes through by the end of Ragnarok with a different set of circumstances. It didn't surprise me, it validated my grief and reminded me of lessons learned. I think even Kratos recognizes that grief, especially with the line "we will maintain it, until his return" because he's not ok and nothing will make him ok.
@The Golden Jet No reason? His fucking brother was killed right in front of him by a man Kratos and Atreus brought into his home, he has every right to be angry with them.
@@TheGoldenJetKevinHart nah, Sindri doesn't have anger, he's got grief. The two are hard to tell apart when they consume you.
Sindri feels that everyone was almost taking more from him than he was willing to give. His home, his skill, his talent, his treasures, but Brok? Brok was taking too much. He already sacrificed everything once to get him back, feels like he failed in that, and knows just how fragile that stolen time is. So everything in his smallest, tightest, safest circles was his to protect the life he was living on borrowed time. He lets Kratos, Atreus and the family in because they reunited him with his family, but he fought the urge to keep them away to keep things safe. It's why the table is rough work, why he's so hesitant to give up Draupnir, why he's not happy with long term house guests. He thought themselves safe from Ragnarok itself nestled in the world tree.
Sindri's grief, is lashing out at all the things he couldn't control, to protect the thing he treasured most. His brother, his home, going on forever. And it never could, but until he sees that, (God of War 3 maybe?) All those he opened his home to are nothing more than reminders of what he's lost.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 username checks out.
@The Golden Jet what do you mean no reason? If it weren’t for Kratos and Atreus Sindri would still have his brother, like sindri said he and Brok just kept giving and Kratos and atreus kept taking, food, armour, skills, draupnir, and then because of Atreus Odin was invited to sindris home
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 that's not really what he's mad about. What he's mad about is the fact that his brother is _dead_ dead. No afterlife because part of his soul is gone.
Yes, Odin killed him, but he's not the one who did that to brok. Yes, Atreus and Kratos brought him into their home, but they didnt kill him or damn him for all eternity. The one who damned brok for eternity was... Sindri.
And that's why he's mad at _everything_ . Killing Odin ain't going to change that. Raging at Atreus ain't going to change that. he fucked his brother over _horrifically_ and unless he takes broks last words to heart hatred for everything - himself most of all - is all he will have room for.
You could tell Sindri is conflicted. He resents Kratos and, particularly, Atreus but at some level knows it is unfair. He never berated them excessively or made a scene about them. He needs to work through his guilt and grief before he can deal with his friends.
Also brok had already died because of Sindri right
Tbh Sindhi denied his brother an afterlife for selfish reasons. He couldnt let Brok go. Now Brok just ceases to exist. so he’s also got to live with that
I can understand his anger a bit with Ateus, it was his obsession that led to all of this. But Sindri was a willing accomplice in going behind Kratos' back. His anger with Kratos is just downright unfair. Kratos didn't want to find Tyr, didn't want to chase destiny, didn't want Ragnarok and didn't want Atreus to work with Odin, and he was right. Sindri and Atreus thought they knew better than Kratos and they lost a friend.
That's my take anyway.
@@Da_Shrooms I forgot who said it but “inaction can be just as dangerous as action” I get kratos didn’t want war again but doing nothing doesn’t stop ragnarok or Odin. Maybe Atreus was too head on but kratos was also super controlling of him. Even Mimir told kratos to let him make his own mistakes and adventure out on his own. Otherwise you’ll keep pushing him away. Even kratos admitted that his controlling and distrust is what pushed Atreus to Asgard. Thankfully he made it right towards the end. Sucks Brok had to die but it wasn’t in vain. He stopped Odin from sneaking off with the mask last second. His no bs nature saw right through Odins acting lol rip to my boy
@@DarkKiller-0 The thing about the "inaction can be just as dangerous as action" is that it is often attributed to people being passive in a society that is oppressive. Kratos does often help Atreus with his problems, but advises against trying to go with prophecy because of all the negative connotations with either diving headfirst into prophecy or trying to stop it. Plus, Odin's whole deal is wanting to stop Ragnarok and well see how well he's doing that. Being passive will often either make the prophecy push you into the role or prolong the prophecy for a bit until it breaks your door down with an axe, and honestly Kratos just wanted more time with his son.
What's really sad is that Sindri can't throw the blame elsewhere because he's just as guilty. He literally went to Hel to retrieve Brok's soul or more like just parts of it and not the whole thing. As a result Brok's soul is lost nearly forever in purgatory, unable to find peace and I think Sindri is more mad at himself than he is at Atreus and Kratos. He knows full well he damned his own brother into the nether realm between honored dead and the living world. It's sad really, reason I'm hoping that its a hint at possible DLC content where Kratos and Freya get a chance to return to Helheim to either retrieve Brok's soul or help him move on to the afterlife.
Poor Brok, he deserved better than that.😭😭😭
I never really had any problem with Odin,but until he stab Brok,i know i was ready for war.
I think because Brok was missing his direction quarter of the soul he's just as gone as Odin is. There is no afterlife for Brok anymore, he's just gone, forever. There's no getting him back, there's no seeing him again when Sindri dies, none of it. He's just destroyed. Probably why Sindri didn't hesitate before crushing the orb with Odin in it, denying Odin chance for rebirth or afterlife as well.
@@Seraphim_1172 It's not the same. Brok was merely separated from his direction soul piece, Odin had all four parts physically smashed by Sindri. I believe Brok simply can't find his way to the proper afterlife without enough Luck to compensate, while Odin no longer exists at all.
@@matthewhelland9258 You're right, I just figured it was similar since when Atreus reccomends going back to the lake of souls Mimir says that without his direction quarter Brok won't go to the lake of souls and is gone.
@@PLYTATN Oh yeah for anyone that's played Modern Warfare series, that was my Makarov moment. The, "No Russian," mission just had me seething with rage. Brok's death same scenario made me think, "Odin...you better hope I'll be merciful because if I get really enraged I'm going to rip you apart limb from limb!"😠😠
Sindri still cared for Atreus. In the endgame asguard section when thrud attacks Atreus you can see sindri try and attack her in retaliation before he stops when Atreus says they’re friends
That is one factor but another factor is the fact that Atreus is useful in defeating Odin and having 2 extra allies (Sif and Thrud) would also be more helpful.
@@cccc-fh7su I think it's more this. I think Sindri just saw Atreus as a means to an end at that point.
@@Kurios4Life08 I think your right. If Sindri had a clear path to kill Odin himself, he'd had left all of them behind to whatever fate they would face and based on the fact that after he destroyed odins soul he blipped out letting everyone else behind to face Ragnorok proves it.
@@Kurios4Life08 Agreed, but I'd also like to that that if I remember cprrectly you can't tell him to attack as a companion in the end of the game he just attacks randomly
So my guess is he didn't try to attack Thrud to help Atreus he saw her as another enemy and would've attacked anyway
Atreus said she was a friend then he didn't care to trt to reason with her to stop her from hurting Atreus
I am almost certain I saw Sindri ontop of the cliffside to the left for a millisecond just after greeting Angraboda and Fenrir on the final walk.
There was a moment where I swear I saw a figure standing there as I was looking at all the scenary and when I turned back there was nothing there. I have yet to play through again and see if it was just my mind. My gut is telling me that it was Sindri.
As someone who's lost their brother and last immediate family, while I understand Sindri I feel a little more empathy with Atreus and Kratos here. They sought him out to grieve with him, and Atreus is genuinely hurt when Sindri goes off on them, saying that he'd thought that they were part of Sindri's family as well in spirit. Sindri accuses Kratos and Atreus of taking advantage of him and Brok, but they brought them materials, paid for their armor and other items, did favors for them. It's implied Atreus was sneaking out plenty by himself before Sindri caught him and chose to follow along as 'supervision'. Brok offered them the rooms at Sindri's house, neither Kratos or Atreus asked to be brought there. Brok pushed for them to be given Draupnir, not Kratos. Brok was the one who invited Odin-as-Tyr in, not Kratos or Atreus. In the end, I can't agree with Sindri as someone who gave until they broke. I'm seeing someone hurting but not willing to face the truth of what hurt them and lashing out at anyone else in his pain. Trying his best to make those who want to help him hurt as much as he does. Not caring that he isn't the only one grieving about it.
Facts
I think you make some really good points, and I'm sorry to hear about your relation to this story by way of loss.
I think the reason Sindri takes this so hard, and the reason he does almost everything in the games, is because Sindri really hates the idea of being alone. So he's a people pleaser who values the company of others to a very unhealthy extent.
That's why he couldn't let go of Brok the first time he died, that is why he does so many favors for Atreus and Kratos without being asked as well.
Basically, Sindri has got a hole in him he thinks he can fill by giving as much as he's got to other people, even though that lifestyle hasn't ever made him happy.
That last part is why I think I can understand why Sindri took Brok's death so hard. All he has been doing is hiding that hole, and now it has been blown wide open. And all of the consequences of this incident can be traced back to his inability to be alone.
Codependency is a terrible thing that comes with a LOT of denial. I cannot imagine anyone with that type of mentality actually taking responsibility for their role in an event like that, at least not right away. Sindri is going to lash out at anyone who he can blame so he can try desperately to hide the hole again. So he can avoid thinking about all the ways he built this up to happen. So he can avoid thinking about how meaningless the things he did for others are now in the wake of his brothers death.
Sorry for rambling but I just wanted to add a bit of an argument into the mix.
I completely agree with empathizing for Kratos and Atreus. I do think Sindris actions are warranted though too, not of a healthy person for sure, but for someone who lived like he did? Definitely.
And if Sindri DID feel that he was giving too much, he should have said so. In his friendship with Atreus, he was the adult. He should have set boundaries, in essence, taught Atreus to be a good friend that balances favors. I'm sure Atreus didn't have many examples to follow. Kratos admits that he hasn't had many friends, specifically that Mimir is one of the few. Kratos, Faye, and Atreus were in hiding, so we have no idea how often they interacted with people.
So, part of me thinks that Sindri was just saying that to hurt them. Because had he asked a favor, they would have done it. He has to know that. I can't think of examples, though.
Yeah, the thing that hit me hardest in the final scene was Kratos attempting to gently comfort Sindri and grieve with him then getting spurned. Especially when Kratos was always fair to Brok and Sindri without asking too much of them. Sindri seems to have less resentment for Kratos than Atreus, but he still didn’t appreciate the gesture. It’s kind of an inverse from Freya’s grudge from the previous game.
Made a really gud point but it doesn't change the fact that kratos and atrues took and took from them and only gave bk death 🤣
I know they didn't want a DLC, and I know Brok's soul is "lost", but gosh I would love a DLC to somehow rescue Brok's fractured soul and/or give Sindri some peace.
They could save it for the next game. I know their done with the Norse stuff but Brok soul is lost right who's to say it's not lost in another Pantheons domain.
@@sfsin3380 tbh that might break the impact of brok death tho, so it will become unnecessary if that ever happen, so maybe sth like sindri seeing brok for the last time that let him rest easy
Next God of War points towards Egyptian. I know Anubis helps souls. So maybe they'll be retrieving someone's soul.
since Brok lost most important 1/4 soul he can't even find peace after life he don't have part of soul that lead to Hel
You mfs want a dlc out of anything its honestly cringe "they should make a dlc where the showcase brok working silver until he turns blue☝🤓"
Even though it's wishful thinking, we still haven't seen Loki's 3rd "child" Hel. In the Norse Mythology, Loki has 3 children with Angrboda with two of them being Fenrir and Jormungander. Hel is supposed to be the ruler of Helheim and leads souls so maybe in a book or just a fan hope could be that eventually, Atreus righted the wrong through having his daughter help find Brok's missing soul piece or possibly grant him the afterlife he deserves.
The Big Bird wants a replacement actually, that’s what Mimir promised to get her support in ragnarok. Maybe Atreus’ daughter will volunteer so the bird doesn’t claw Mimir’s remaining soul out for breaking the promise lol or the Boar man. Cause y’a know, Atreus shot him and owes a favor. Maybe it’ll be done in a way where Hel actually wants to do it
Kratos being the grandfather of death hits sorta raw tbh
Honestly it would be cool if they somehow also included hades hook weapons from god of war 3 somehow. Wishful thinking as well but maybe they can have the hooks be the only way to retrieve broks lost soul piece or the only way to give him a proper afterlife
@@zacharysolano6375 Naw. I think this is it. Those are the consequences of Atrueus' deeds. Sindri hates them because the "earth" time is ALL the time he spends with Brok for his own greed and he's not only pissed on them, but on himself as well, because Brok is no more. He won't meet him in the afterlife. He will be FOREVER without his brother
We do kill Hels Son in 2018 so it's possible
I think one of the hardest parts of Sindri's character was how much of his life was full of achivement
Every time he set his mind to something he achieved it, but when he had to be there for his brother he couldn't do that, and it's the failure that hurts him the most.
When the gods are desperately trying to be better, Sindri was already better, being near gods just made him worse.
Yeah, like he was RIGHT THERE next to Brok but "Tyr" was too fast and unpredictable to react on time, he had everything in his life but his brother in the end 😭
When Kratos and Atreus looked for them in Tyr’s tower, Sindri’s lines there were so gut-wrenching, I couldn’t stop crying. I wish Sindri’s VA was nominated for Game Awards.
Comparing The Giving Tree to Sindri is a great way to set out what happens when you're just too giving towards others. I've been like this for most of my life, but after some time before 2020,I started giving out once or twice as an experiment to see how things will pan out before I simply have to cut ties be it "the wolf biting the feeding hand" or the whole greed and gluttony act people put. Makes you wonder why you put trust or even help in the first place while not being cautious.
What i do is seek out people who are already healthy and find small ways to help them, rather than throwing 100% into a single black hole
I think he is already in his recovering phase, because in Asgard he had like red eyes and was completely hateful towards Kratos and Atreus. But at Broks funeral his face looked somewhat more normal and also you can see that he wanted to say something to Kratos (probably something mean or he wanted to blame him again) but he hold it back and just walked away, which shows he is starting to realize that it wasnt Kratos fault
I think he blames Atreus for this more because he wanted to search for Tyr
@@Hoelli I think so too, but at some point he will realise that he is just a child and also that literally no one could have predicted this. I mean not even Freya was suspicious and she is like a master of spells and magic
@@karimali9699 Funnily enough, I think Odin knew that Atreus will go after Tyr when he told then at their home that he should stop looking for Tyr.
He had them in his grip all along without them knowing.
@@soulstalker4624 For real, also his birds where probably spying on them. And considering that he can transform into anyone, he can even spy on them himself. What do you think would he have done with atreus if he didnt run away, you know after completing the mask
@@soulstalker4624 they played directly into odins hand from the second he told them to stop searching for tyr. He played them like a fiddle and I think sindri will see that at some point. Grief does things to people that causes irrationality
Idk if it has been mentioned but Sindri was a germaphobe yet after Brock dies he's actually willing to touch his body without gloves on. Not only does that show the love he had for his brother but also how bad his death broke him to where he isn't freaking out that he's touching a dead body. Its the subtle things they put into moments like that one which makes this game amazing and have more of an impact, well at least to me it does.
Not just with brok’s body. After his death he let himself go. Not only does he not wear the gloves anymore, but he’s dirty. His face, his clothes, no gloves and doesn’t seem to care about germs anymore. That what made me feel his level of pain and just disconnection of himself. His personality took a 180 after he lost what was lost important to him. His resentment and anger toward kratos and Atreus hurt the most, and I can’t blame him for hating them right now.
No point avoiding disease if you have nothing to live for.
It's like his germaphobia was triggered by the knowledge that when he dies, _that's it,_ there _will be no_ reunion with Brok in the afterlife. He wants to keep himself alive as long as possible, for Brok. Until he doesn't.
Totally agree with you!
@@samwallaceart288 I thought it said he covers up so hard because he still feels the souls crawling on him from when he stole Broks soul back
@@BadNeighbor762 That too for sure
I lost my brother a few years ago. Still too recently so seeing Sindri's grief hit too close to home. Especially when you have someone to blame and direct that grief/anger towards. As much as I wanted them to make up with him, I understand the idea that Sindri would never want to talk to them again. I've done the same
It takes longer to recover than Sif after Thor death.
I dont think she cared much for him because he was gone already from years of manipulation, his father being mean to him and depression.
Only his little happiness he had was from having Sif and daughter with him after all those years.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx she’s lost 2 children and one of them directly because of his behavior. I’m sure she’s steeled herself to get the job done for her daughter and the other Aesir.
Sindri can’t accept loss. He’s canonically cowardly and he went to Helheim to deny his brother’s passing. I feel like we’re missing a chunk of the story, like it’s more than just them being siblings.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx I think you misunderstand how comicated grief can be in an unhealthy relationship. Thor was a husband who came with an abusive father in law who ruled their lives. Thor was a drunk, he was terribly afraid of his father (though for good reason) and he used escapism to deal with his issues (drinking so much his problems literally could not reach him). Sif had a daughter to look after who resented her authority and had no one to talk to.
I think Sif misses Thor dearly. But I also think Sif had not had a positive relationship with Thor for a very long time. I also think you are forgetting that Sif is now an authority figure post Odin. She has to be someone people can follow, and a grieving widow makes not for a leader.
The game ending was rushed, but I can tolerate Sif's perceived acceptance of Thor's death.
@@matizluv1316 sure, but what about Thrúd? We can see she loves and cares for Thor. She doesn't seem nearly as sad as would make sense.
All that anger is a manifestation of his self-guilt and self- hatred for condemning his brother to an eternity of unrest since his soul is no longer whole and cannot rest in the light. Sindri still cares for Atreus and knows deep down that there's really no one to blame but Odin. During the war, his first instinct when Thrud attacks is to protect Atreus and to step in between them, so even in all of this anger and guilt, he still cares for the kid
The man who played Sindri in these scenes deserves an Oscar!
It was a stellar performance.
He said he was very fond of Faye in the first game to the point where he was about to fight kratos even tho he knew he wouldnt survive, Atreus is Faye's kid so he is like going way overboard being helpful to what he may genuinely consider a nephew/one of the few tangible links to Faye he has left. Only for them to do alot of damage to him both physically and mentally, granted that damage was unintentional but still.
An interesting theory is that Sindri always holds grudges. If you look back to GOW2018, he wasn't exactly nice when it came to talking about Brok. But Brok, in his own way, never really insulted his brother. Sindri played a different tune when Atreus mentioned Brok talking about him and not in an insulting manner. He thought Brok hated him, but after finding out otherwise, he started switching gears. Fast forward to the events of Ragnarok, Atreus attacks Sindri and apologizes to everyone. Everyone forgives him, but Sindri...he's still hurting, he's not willing to fully forgive him, at least not so easily..
And then later Brok dies by Odin's hand, Brok reveals he knows Sindri brought him back from the dead and never told him. In his final words, he tells Sindri he forgives him. But he also tells him "Y'gotta let go". One could read this in multiple ways.
1: Let go of the grief/pain/suffering/guilt Sindri has held from reviving him. Brok figured there's a reason why Sindri never told him, and it had to be eating him if he held it to himself for so long. Brok never blamed Sindri or yelled at him even after he found out, he just kept it to himself.
2: Let go of holding grudges. Brok never blamed Kratos, Atreus, or anyone for what happened before his death, or even for his death. But Sindri...he never fully forgave Atreus from his attack. Brok knows Kratos, Atreus, and Freya were on their side and were friends. It's Brok's way of telling Sindri to let go of grudges, be more forgiving, especially on friends.
Sindri's grieving, he's in pain. When you're really upset/angry, you don't think rationally. Odin killed his brother, but Atreus was the accessory to it all. And the Giving Tree example is also fitting here to increase that. For him, it's hard not to hold that grudge. He's running on adrenaline and anger now, and you can see it in his face up to when he kills Odin's soul.
During the funeral, you can see the way he looks at Kratos. His face doesn't have that angry look like he did before, even during Ragnarok. He's had more time, his revenge on Odin complete. He's still upset and grieving, but he's in a better spot, at least compared to when Brok died and before killing Odin's soul. And it looks like he wanted to say something to Kratos. And you can see it on his face...he's broken. He probably wanted to blame Kratos. But he didn't. Maybe Brok's words finally reaching to him. "Y'gotta let go." He knows getting angry at him won't bring Brok back. He knows Kratos isn't the reason for Brok's death.
I'm hoping in the future we see Sindri again and hopefully he gets a moment of redemption. Seeing him go through this was painful.
Great comment
I’d day Sindri wasn’t so quick to forgive Atreus because this is the second time he does this.
In the first game he insulted the crap out of Sindri, even though all Sindri ever did at that point was be helpful, and thankfully Kratos called him out on it.
Now Atreus did it again and this time he not only hurt them with his words but he physically hurt him. He could have killed him. Like Kratos said, intentions don’t matter.
When someone is sorry after making a mistake, they do their best to not make that same mistake again.
If I was Sindri I also wouldn’t forgive Atreus so quickly.
@@co7769 I think I know exactly what you're referring to. It's the one after he finds out he's a god and starts getting all big headed about it.
The topic of family matters gets brought up, Sindri makes a comment. Atreus takes a guess that its because Sindri is superior and Brok isn't, and Sindri just treats it like "Well yeah what's your point?". Atreus gets angry at Sindri about it and even tells him to "Do something or shut up already." Sindri's only response to that is "I see..." Atreus gets worse and Sindri starts feeling hurt, but doesn't turn Kratos and Atreus away from improving gear.
After Brok and Sindri patch things up, you can chat with them and the situation is brought up. Atreus admits he was getting full of himself when it came to what he said, to which Brok comments on it ("Told him what he needed to hear, how's it sound to me"), which Sindri doesn't deny. Sometimes you need someone getting angry at you to realize you're in the wrong, and Atreus made him realize he was avoiding the real problem: himself. He knows Atreus was out of line with how he reacted, but he wasn't wrong: its all he ever talked about and he never did anything about it before Atreus.
For Ragnarok, it definitely was because Atreus went over the line, but wasn't right at all. Its one thing to be yelled at and insulted for something that you realize was true, it's another thing to be physically mauled/knocked away for nothing.
@@AxelRyman yup that’s the moment, you didn’t have to go through the trouble of writing it all haha.
Yeah it is one thing to be yelled at angrily and another to be mauled for nothing. Damn that makes that moment even worse now. He totally didn’t have to maul him too (he could transform willingly by then right?) he could have just jumped over him. Atreus decided to attack one of the two people who stood no chance against him.
"What makes bigger the more you take away?"
A hole, a hole in Sindri's heart.
The animation of Sindri was perfectly done; he truly looks tired and exhausted and you can really see a change in him
Being, having and living with someone who has trauma, anxiety and OCD, I could relate to Sindri, the way he’s always so giving and patient with everyone only to be either under appreciated, abused (whether intentional or otherwise), yeahhhh…the whole giving tree reference. I appreciated the shift into angry, no-fucks-given, gloves off Sindri. That’s something very possible for someone with OCD, where control, comfort and routine is a MUST - control being the emphasis here - where even his own brother’s death (the first time), he wanted to control - because he “couldn’t be alone”. Sindri’s arc really spike to me.
Sindri’s character arc was so well done. Throughout the previous game and in this one, he has always been the kind and helpful fellow. Always has our back and always providing us with every little thing we need and doing it in such a way that it never even felt like we were taking something from him, it just felt natural. Atreus has put Sindri through a lot of shit, in the previous game when he lashed out with his newfound godly arrogance and this one when he attacked Sindri as a bear. And despite all that Sindri was quick to forgive. Just like Atreus, the player also takes Sindri for granted and just keeps taking. And when we finally lose a friend like him the loss is even more painful. Its so depressing to visit the shop and not find Brok with something hilariously nasty to say and Sindri to quickly and endearingly overcompensate. Really gonna miss them 😢
I recently went back to Sindri's house and just stared at the table he made just so everyone can sit comfortably around and eat without cramping the space.
It was hilarious during the cutscene how he was determined to make a nicer table than the one Brok was okay with but seeing the tables next to each other now with NO ONE to occupy the house other than Lunda just brought tears to my eyes again. We had a patchwork family, now it's all gone
@@yodoleheehoo90 Beautifully put!
@@yodoleheehoo90 Damn just reading that made me emotional. Its so painfully sad to think that we most likely won't get that precious little dynamic back with Sindri even if he forgives us in future. He would probably never go back to being our merchant again.
Although it was sad we lost Brok, but that storyline was one of the best parts of the game
For Sindri it was easy to put the focus of his anger on Atreus.
He'd already been feeling a bit betrayed by him, considering their 'adventures' together and then Atreus leaves for two days and doesn't say a thing about it.
The unintentional attack in bearform didn't help.
But the thing that focused the immediate anger was Brok telling Sindri he forgives him for what he did with resurrecting him.
That was a thing that, as far as Sindri knew, only Atreus and himself knew. And Atreus was sworn to secrecy. Brok never said he figured it out himself so that leaves one 'logical' answer: Atreus broke his promise. On top of EVERYTHING that was the last drop.
It's possible, but you need to remember that Sindri didn't want Brok to go to "The Forge" because he would discover he doesn't have the entirety of his soul
@@ONomeManeiro True, but both Brok and Kratos opted to keep the entire "mermaid couldn't see him because of his missing soul piece" part a secret too. When Sindri asked if there was anything wrong during their visit to the forge, Brok just brushed it off easily, so Sindri probably assumes Kratos handled the interaction with mermaid all by himself because Brok was too awed to speak to her.
@@protossshuttle i doubt that, sindri knows brok too well to know he wouldn't be so awed that he wouldn't be able to speak. sindri knew for sure that brok would learn the truth if he went, thats why he didn't want him to go. Sindri just went with the brush off because he wasn't ready to have that convo yet and it was easier that way. sindri isn't stupid.
"we'll see what the future holds"
Hell yeah
The funeral scene made me cry after Mimir mumble "a hole". We all knew the answer to that riddle all game, but had no idea how much of an impact it would have to the Dwarven brothers story. As Mimir explained that the hole is what gets bigger the more you take away I flash back to the scene where Sindri is falling apart explaining to Atreus that he gave him EVERYTHING and now he has nothing, not even family. Sindri is the whole and by the time the end game roles around he has grown into a dark dark pit....
It's really his own fault. He resurrected Brok with a missing soul piece and now that he died again, he's dead dead. I think that Sindri is more in conflict with himself for what he's done to Brok.
You can't really blame him... Sindri's main fear was ending up alone. He told it to Atreus early in the game. But it was his deeds, his choices, his character, which led him to self-loathing and blaming himself for every misstep he made leading to Brok's death. Had he told Brok what happened, he would never hate himself as much as he did. He is more angry with himself than anything. Atreus was just easier to blame, you can see how miserable Sindri was there.
@Keknov Sort’ve, but Sindri offered for them to stay there. He was also helping Atreus find clues about Tyr for months, so at the time it was something he was on board with for sure.
THIS
@keknov8451 he was completely for them finding Tyr and sindri could've just told them no about Tyr staying there. its not like kratos and Atreus would have forced it.
can't blame someone for wanting more time with somebody. especially a family member. All that mattered really is that Brok forgived him. I get wym tho
It is sad to see siblings seperated not only by distance but by death.
This is just fucking superior storytelling and character building.
I dont usually have any type of reaction for the media i watch even the ones i rlly love but seeing sindri without his gloves on and not caring genuinely gave me goosebumbs
Sindri’s voice actor really nailed it and made it so personal
We can really see how much they loved each other despite the rifts they had and the lie that Sindri kept over the years.
"The culmination of love is grief", Sindri have loved his brother fully, for his lost caused him to grieve deeply, "To grieve deeply, is to have loved fully".
They have "loved... despite the inevitable".
Sindri must have felt so bad that Brok was denied an Afterlife because of him.
He was also in love with Faye. You can tell by how he spoke about her. He lost his love, his brother, felt used and betrayed. No matter how much good he felt he did, it wasn’t enough.
So so good. Thank you for uploading this.
Also really good job with putting those clips together with the audio if it wasn't already part of it.
I didn't even notice sindri never put his gloves back on....the dwarf who cared about being clean the most truly broken, getting his hands dirty....😔
Brings a whole new meaning to “ok the gloves are off”
Sindri's grief is powerful and real, which helps to draw the player into the story. Probably horrible to say, but I kinda hope they don't do anything with Sindri. No good or bad, just kinda leave him alone. It serves as a powerful tool to say that some don't get their happy ending.
I always liked the dwarfs but man.. this game they are amazing. Brok was shinying even in his last breath. Always made me laught and wasn’t expecting him to make me drop a tear. And sindry?! Man I love how deep he got, they are not only the “oh they let me upgrade that for you” type of characters anymore. Amazing development.
I feel that Sindri is given too much credit.
He felt super off to me in 2018, and it was only in Ragnarok that it solidified. Sindri is driven by fear more than anything else and is hollow because of it.
He partly revives Brok because he's afraid of living life without him. They end up splitting because Sindri was so afraid of Brok finding out thay he behaved different. Hiding away from Odin afraid to be used to make more weapons. Sindri becomes attached to Loki, the one most in need of the group, because Sindri is scared of not being useful. He even starts to become more afraid of losing Loki than of his other fears that he gives more.
His transformation at the end is the realization that his actions were all for naught. His anger is at himself and he's lashing out because of it. Killing Odin was his first meaningful act of agency in both games
I don’t think he hates Atreus, he’s just looking for something to blame in his grief. Everyone became a family and the death of Brok hit them all hard. Sindri is going through the stages of grief and it’s not going to be easy.
I love the realism of Sindri's change. Some people are hurt so much that even when they still help their friends in need, they can never be whole again
There was a metaphor saying " The missing soul part from Brok, is what got Sindri completely broken after he was gone "
And I truly felt that. Meaning he knew he was responsible for that part of Brok missing and he couldn't dare to swallow the fact of him gone, and when that actually happened he just didn't even care for his own life nomore. And that's just sad! Just like in real life situations.
I guess what will eventually happen with Sindri in the future is he will forgive Atreus and Kratos (at least partially) but things won't ever be the same between them. There'll be hard boundaries set and no more favours granted. It'll be a friendship again but the sort you have with a coworker where you like them well enough but kinda don't really want them to know where you live. Things will get better but I get the feeling Sindri will be keeping them all at arm's length from now on. There won't be any attempts of their lives like with Freya but, also unlike Freya, he won't ever consider them a family again. I'd love it if we get a DLC or something where Sindri actually does work through his grief and accept the support that's being offered but I feel like it'll be more bittersweet than all that.
"What gets bigger the more you take away?"
A hole :(
A hole. A hole gets bigger the more you take away.
Me habría gustado que luego de saber que a Brok le faltaba parte de su alma, se nos diera una misión principal o secundaria de ir y buscar ese pedazo de alma, minimo para que Brok pudiese descansar en paz ahora o en 100 años (Aunque eso haría menos trágica su muerte)
Great video brother
I love that Sindri was ready to fight Kratos in the first game when he thought he might have hurt and took Faye's axe. And even in the end during the funeral scene, he motions forward in an aggressive manner towards Kratos. Poor guy.
As a germophobe myself, I understand how much pain that Sindri is suffering since taking off the gloves and doesn't care anything anymore isn't an easy act.
There was that part where sindri and atraus were talking alone and sindri storms out saying, maybe tou can talk sone sense into him as Kratos enters. I think there was some more dialog we'll get in the future. Also at some point it was said you couldn't rest in Peace without all 4 parts of your soul, so he might be pissed he brought brok back and his ultimate fate was more fu⁸ked up. Idk but good video and great writers on this game!
Sindri in many ways reminds me of my late mother, she was constantly giving to everyone around her and by the end of her life she was so worn down that she just didn’t really care that she was going to die. I always hoped that like Kratos and Atreus that we reciprocated that giving nature and made her feel that we were thankful for everything but it is a thought that haunts my mind from time to time.
When Mimir finally gets Brok's riddle at the end. Whew... so sad and deep 😞.
It is the nature of the thing that matters not it’s form. Whether or not Atreus realizes it he took everything from Sindri, and even though he didn’t mean to, he took what Sindri cared about
Sindri is not short of blame here... Had he not feared his loneliness as much as he did, Brok's soul would never be "damaged" and potentially lost. But he decided to spend more time with his brother in person. Totally human behavior, it makes him believable.
@@user-mu8dm4rk7gSindri is probably the angriest at himself but he is channeling that right now outwards.
I feel like Sindri is also redirecting a little bit of his guilt as well. Because I think he knows deep down that he also sought out "Tyr" and helped Atreus and Kratos find him in Svartalfheim and welcomed him into their home. He was just as fooled as the rest of them, but he can't bare to face that right now, so he's redirecting his personal guilt onto Atreus.
The last moment of this video is priceless.
"I want you to get the fuck out of my sight". Such a simple line but man the delivery is just heart wrenching
Sindri is in mourning. Some people can handle it well. And some can't handle it at all. Sindri needs to fall apart to vent his feelings. He is so considerate of others that that care gets in the way of how he feels. To really grieve his brother he needs that time to just break down. That Sindri would react super poorly to Brok dying was already hinted at with the storyline where it is revealed Sindri actually resurrected Brok. He said as much that he couldn't handle it. This is no different. But this time the situation is even worse. There may be no fixing Brok, even in the afterlife. And that is Sindri's fault. So yeah...combime grieving and self loathing and you get a very angry person. One who can't stand himself or anything that reminds him of the one lost.
Something I didn’t see is brok and Sindra really being the heart of this story, at least in ragnarok. Sindra looked so broken after the funeral and he stumbles away then teleports
Really broke my heart to see him go like this. I really hope they bring him back somehow. I cant remember the last time I felt so bad for the fate of a fictional character
I see him as, when you have nothing left, and only await death, you lose all fear of what might happen.
Sindri had the best character development in the game. Yes its tragic but well-done tragic story.
I think Sindri is mostly upset with himself for the "3souls"thing.And he is channeling his anger in other directions.JMO
Broks death and sindris pain was probably the hardest ive cried over a game in a long while
The way he said "And giving and giving and giving and giving" really sounded like a sick bass line 😎
One of the most hardcore scenes in this game is where Atreus tells Sindri to be careful, and he replies with “YOU be careful, I’m here to fight.”
Yeah, that's someone who doesn't care if they die or not.
I was upset that Sindri’s fallout was forgotten but the fact that this was intentional, adds more complexity to the story.. damn. This is the last Norse game. We will never see Sindri again!! Or who knows Sindri could do a Kratos and move to another pantheon…
Dwarves are universal. If there's a rock, a dwarf isn't far under it
Atreus: But we are his family too!
Kratos: We were
Heartbroken~
Having been that person, the giving tree, he's 100% right. Sindri is such a well written character.
If there’s ever another god of war game as unlikely as it is I hope sindri can forgive the father son duo for their part in his brothers death
There will be more
It’s not unlikely at all
it's not unlikely, it's just the end of the NORSE saga, there's plenty of other mythologies
He is saying that it is unlikely for sindri to be in those games
If they continue the series then these writers are either gonna be geniuses or desperate money grabbers, beating a dead horse
Other mythologies can be dived into but the question is how would these characters get into these situations??
With gow 4, it made sense and everything pieced up together but with mythologies like Egypt, Rome, English, Indian etc, I don't see how it would connect or add depth.
Calling it now
Sindri is going to be a catalysator for the next god of war game; trying to bring brok back maybe using different techniques from other realms and thus new gods coming into play
Interesting theory. Maybe through the Egyptian mythology, which is known for having a very robust afterlife...
That tree story messed with my head as a kid, first time I read it I kept on going through it expecting a turn around for the tree and the ending left me empty
There are so many great performances in this game and Sindri was no exception
I think part of it is guilt and self hatred spoilers I guess but brok died before and sindri couldn't get all parts of his soul back he denied brok an afterlife when brok died again he's gone forever there is no way to bring him back and his existence was obliterated
Two things.
1.) Why is he saying things that we already know? The cutscene already tells that he feels like Atreus used him until there’s nothing left. But he never specified why Sindri feels like that.
It’s my own idea that the rift started when Atreus kept rebuffing Sindri’s advice and only wanted him to do what he wanted. The bear attack further solidified to Sindri that they didn’t have as close a connection as he thought. This is especially true since Atreus went bear mode because of a petty reason. Consorting with Odin (and it’s consequences) just broke the camel’s back.
2.) Do you have an idea how to maximize the use of the Guiding Light armor? I know that the Permafrost and Burn statuses helps with its bonuses (especially with the skills that increase damage). But Im clueless about the Draupnir spear, the shield, Relics, and enchantments.
With the sindri part: may also be that he has enough of the same scenario repeating over and over: every time a god asks them something or are his friend, they just take and take and take, all in the end to give nothing but misery in return. happened with Mjolnir, happened with the leviathan axe, and happened again here by helping Kratos. At this point it may feel to him like pushing everyone away is the only thing he can still do, something he should have done earlier even, before brok died for the second time because of it.
The draupnir spear is geared more towards stun, excels at it in fact. It says it has “wind,” elemental properties but that doesn’t ever have any effects gameplay wise. If you want to maximize the effects off the spear it will likely be more useful to make a build focused on stun. As far as relics and shields go, those are generally meant to catalyze your chosen play style and help compliment a given weapon that you excels in that, but you also need to consider the purpose of arrows and tunic summons. If you are interested in elemental damage, sigil ( hex) arrows excel when a status effect is already applied. Full burn, perma frost, poison, electric, all proc explosions when the sigil meter becomes full. Runic arrows also build stun, so those with well in tandem with the spear. There’s a huge variety of relics that can be woven into these styles, but mostly they exist to give you breathing room or help push the offensive. As far as shield go, most tend to believe the dauntless shield is the best because it offers a good pay out for parries with the capacity to do a huge stun attack after build up. I forget the name but another one let’s you block yellow attacks with out having to worry about timing or trying to parry. Those are likely the best options.
@@gtsavestheday6569 Nice ideas for a more offensive build. I like the Draupnir and I want to maximize its use since the armor may randomly bless it. The shield for me is Faye. That shield deflect projectiles and strikes. Just need to find the Rond that would complement the offensive angle. You see, I only go for the statuses since the Guiding Light Armor increases said damages even more. Which really ups the damage and offense. Is there another angle to the armor that I ain’t seeing?
@@thorveim1174 I agree. I just don’t understand why the man included in the story never specified anything. You see how we are just using non-definitive words like may or my theory? Eric could have clarified if we are close or not. But he chose to say the obvious. 🙄
When you put it like that, I actually really feel for Sindri and relate to him. It sucks when you keep giving parts of yourself to people and all they do is take more in return
The last scene when he pushed away kratos hand and walked away... He looked so broken 😢
I have a feeling they are setting the stones for him being a villain in the next game. The writers did an amazing job with these characters. Sindri and Thor both made my gut wrench while playing.
I doubt it tbh, while he did lash out nothing about him was truly violent towards them to suggest he'd try to get "revenge" and it isn't technically their fault and he knows that and while he may never forgive them I don't think he'll turn against them
@@LeighLovesYou. mayb not a Boss villain, but they definitely dont drop little hints like this for nothing.
Pretty sure they said they're done with the Norse pantheon and future games will be set somewhere else. I guess they could try and drag Sindri along but I think it far more likely that we'll get a new cast of characters if there's another game.
Idk if anyone actually listened to the way he explained the shift in mentality of sindri, its not suposoed to spelled out for you, your not supposed to be okay with thenrift between them, and just because the player thinks sindri should forgive atreus doesmt mean he will
Sindri nevee forgiving atreus was something more shocking/surprising then alot of the other elements of the plot even tyrs reveal
It’s even more rough that his story “ends” with him heartbroken and cutting everyone off
The thing with Sindri is, I get his pain, but most of the reasons why he is upset is really just bloated because of grief. He says with all that Kratos and the gang took from him, but they never actually stolen or taken anything from him nor Brok without his consent. And everything from armor to weapon upgrades, all the materials and money was provided by them, "us", while they of course use their skills for the transaction and business. And on other times he gives them commodities and gifts genuinely to make their journey better or safer. Every little trinket you need to go forward in the story, the important things that actually drive the story forward was in fact provided by the dwarven brothers including the augmentation to the yggdrasil stone, so Atreus can tp back to he house in an emergency. And those are all given by them out of the kindness of their hearts. Kratos, Atreus, everyone really were thankful for those, but they never really asked for such things except for The Draupnir spear. This isn't me going off on Sindri, I really feel sorry for him, but whats happening right now really is just cause of jim grieving, he really just wants his brother back, his family, which also includes his extended family, but he just can't see the forest for the trees right now, and he's just lost, like most characters in the GoW series. He just needs time, he surely wants his best friend back soon, and i wish if the GoW continues with Atreus, they explore this rift between the characters.
sindri had me in tears, when he teleported and then came back all filthy, dear lord the tears are coming back! but honestly its freya all over again, cheating the death of a loved one and going crazy when they couldnt keep em live. its their fault they had to feel that pain twice reality. i dont respect him or freya for reacting like this but i do understand it. they couldnt open their heart to it like kratos teaches to atreus.
I think there’s so much brilliance to the way Sindri is portrayed. Kratos doesn’t take and take and take in Ragnarok, like Sindri says. Sindri is happy to avert Ragnarok and save the 9 realms. He wants to help and helping Kratos in this game.
Last game? Yeah, alright, that really is just him and Brok having a pissing contest, but here? They all realize that it’s something bigger than themselves, but also…death isn’t something that happens to the Huldra brothers. When one of them dies, it’s no big deal cause they can just traverse Hel and steal em back. Sindri can just steal Brok back.
But Kratos inadvertently revealed the truth to Brok and I think that’s what’s so important about it. If Kratos had taken Sindri like Sindri wanted to forge the spear…when Brok got stabbed, he would’ve gone and saved Brok even if he could only get half his soul this time.
Brok’s dying wish was to be let go and in a way, that really is Kratos’ fault. It’s Sindri’s fault for forcing his brother to live on borrowed time, but I don’t think Sindri could live with the guilt and so he deals with it by placing the blame on Kratos for Brok finding out and being able to choose to die and he places the blame on Atreus, whose hunt for Tyr is what brought Odin into his home in the first place.
Sindri had a hand in both of those…but it’s easier to blame others than it is to accept that you’re just as blind.
It’s why Sif turns on Odin and destroys Asgard, it’s why Freya finally decides to start working with Kratos. It’s what Sindri has to do, as well…accept that he shared some of the blame and learn to live with himself, but also remember that Brok got the chance to forgive him at the end and that Brok was okay, even happy with the family they had built in the house.
You've massively misunderstood everything.
"When one of them dies, it’s no big deal cause they can just traverse Hel and steal em back. Sindri can just steal Brok back." They can't do this Dwarves don't go to Helheim they go to Alfheim to be part of the Lake of Souls. That's where Sindri stole back 3/4's of Brok's soul. But that's not something that they can just do. A colossal amount of effort went into Sindri saving Brok. It is a massive deal.
"when Brok got stabbed, he would’ve gone and saved Brok even if he could only get half his soul this time." He can't it's impossible. When Sindri took back Brok's soul he only got 3 parts and couldn't find Brok's Direction. Brok couldn't speak to the Lady because of this since she communicates with ones Direction. But this has an even bigger consequence in that when Brok died a second time his Soul had no Direction no idea where to go and as such was lost forever. His soul has been denied any form of afterlife. This is what hit Sindri the hardest that Brok is not only gone forever but will never have an afterlife and it's Sindri's fault.
"Brok’s dying wish was to be let go" That wasn't his dying wish, his dying wish was that Sindri needs to let go. Let go of his anger and pain and attempts to force Brok to live and to move on with his life.
"Sindri’s fault for forcing his brother to live on borrowed time" Brok wasn't living on borrowed time he had as much time as his body would live he didn't have less time to live because only 3/4's of his soul were saved. Borrowed time means "an uncertain and usually uncontrolled postponement of something inevitable" the way you're using "borrowed time" essentially is saying that all living things are living on borrowed time. Which may be true but Brok still had a full life ahead of him had he not been killed.
"Brok finding out and being able to choose to die" Brok always had the ability to choose to die he didn't just discover that he could choose to die. He could always do that everyone can always do that.
The giving tree was the first thing I thought about when thinking of his character arc, they nailed this narrative
Cool hearing from the director
Sindri is weak. He should learn how to forgive and move on. Brok recklessly confronted and exposed, "you know who," no one wished for his death; no one.
He's making it very difficult for everyone around him to mourn with him.
My advice? Sleep. That's when all the troubles of your mind work themselves out. I mean it.
Keep up the content 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The set up for this change with Brok's riddle was so fucking good.
"What gets bigger the more you take from it"
After he dies, Sindri says
"I gave you everything. My skills, my friendship, my home, my secrets, my treasures... And you just kept taking.
And now what have I got? Not even my family."
As he said, we kept taking. We kept taking his help, kept taking his generosity, kept taking him for granted, and eventually the man we were tricked into bringing into his home took his brother.
We kept taking and only in the end when everything had been dealt with and the damage had been done, does Mimir, the smartest man alive realise the answer to the riddle, as he looks at the broken husk of a dwarf that is Sindri.
"A hole". A hole that kept growing inside Sindri because we kept taking, which eventually left him hollow.
man, I can relate with Sindri pretty well. How easily a good man be taken for granted
His expression of grief is as real as one can be, real kudos to his character design.
Do reminds that Sindri also been in a subservient relationship with Odin before our time, most of their drawen story and offering still presents, meaning that Sindri also known Odin quite well.
As someone live within the insecurity of his self-esteem and humbleness, he can't bring himself to go against the higher power he feel he can't reach or have the guts to blame them on, his sorrow blinded him from the truths that, he's too, also been fooled by Odin no different than anyone else, as he ignored all the feelings of other party, as well as consequences of his word, he's only want to morn and grief.
It 's an overlooked state of mentality that many hardly paid attention, because it's quite rare and very specific case in modern day but often found in the environment where hierarchy is prominent.
The victim of said symptoms will feel less willingness to go against those have higher power than them and resulting into lashing them down to those more inferior or weaker within their reach, because the subservient relationship they had already imprinted the hierarchy into their mind and prevent them from stand up for themselves against them, especially when they feel they are weak and powerless.
Prior to the scene where he can finally take matters in his own hands, that's is, only when the culprit of his grief in the weakest stage possible that he decide to take action, a helpless soul in a marble. Which obviously mean he knows full well who really is to be blamed.
I can relate to his development quite a lot, there're mass shooting from ex-military man that killed so much innocent 2 time in the same year in my country, the story uncovered that they both been oppressed and stressed out by those in higher position, but in the end, they choose innocent's lives to relieve them in stead of who deserves it. Sindri seem to be in similar position but less extreme.
This legit made me tear up seeing Sindri like this 😢
The line that always hit for me is when he’s listing all he’s done for you/that you’ve taken and he’s like “And now what’ve I got left. Not even my family”
The giving tree is the perfect example he always gives to somebody until he has nothing left