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National Airlines Flight 193, registration N4744, Donna, was a Boeing 727-235 en route from Miami, Florida to Pensacola on May 8, 1978. It was scheduled with stops at Melbourne, Florida; Tampa; New Orleans, Louisiana and Mobile, Alabama. The accident occurred at night in low visibility from fog. During the descent into Pensacola Regional Airport it impacted Escambia Bay, sinking in 12 feet (3.7 m) of water.
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My grandma was Carol Crawford. The flight attendant that was recognized for saving lives of the passengers. She passed away in 2016 and I was looking to see if I found photos of her on the internet. I remember her explaining everything to me and I remember how hard she would cry and emotional she would get every time. I have pictures of her in the plane and several other planes. It’s amazing to see this video.... finally understanding what she went through meant a lot. Thank you!
My mother was one of the other flight attendants, severely injured and trapped in her seat underwater. Passengers managed to free her and get her off the plane.
Thank you, Bre and Cantin, for sharing something so personal. Happy 4th of July. 💜
My grandmother was a passenger on this flight. She was injured but survived. What helped her survive was she was sitting in the very first seat and the Captain got to her first, gave her his jacket and told her no matter what, hang on to me. She was obviously never the same, and passed away in 1985. We still have the jacket.
Did she ever explain to you that the pilot had his teenage daughter and son in the cockpit, I do believe she did know and was told to keep her mouth shut.
The crew of six lied to the world and especially to the fifty two passengers on board 😇😈
It's not hard to research the truth, The black box recording has been released to the public and it's quite shocking 😇😈
No Sir. She would probably not have remembered if they were in the cockpit. How insensitive of you to respond in such a manner to a victim’s grand-daughter. I don’t care if Micky Mouse was in the cockpit. That Pilot saved my grandmother’s life.
The tugboat captain, Glenn McDonald, that was credited with saving 55 of the 58 lives just passed away at the age of 84. He was at the right place at the right time that night. What a story.
Actually, he was in the wrong place at the right time. Due to the fog, the barge got off course and ended up in the right place. Had they been on their correct course, the barge would have been too far away for the rescue. The Owner was a friend of my fathers and explained it to him. Without the fog, the barge would have been further away.
I was a Seaman on the USCGC RAMBLER (WLI-298). We had anchored in Santa Rosa Sound that night. The fog moved in right after sunset. After hearing the first MayDay. We had cranked up, hoisted anchor, and were running full speed (10kts) in zero visibility for the 32 miles to the crash site. It was an erie ecperience. We stayed next to the wreck for 14 days when it was picked ip and floated out on a barge.
The young mother (Francis) who died but saved her infant son still has me wondering about his whereabouts and what he has become.
He would be 42 or 43 years old now.
Nice. My dad had photos of the plane in the water from his boat.
My brothers and I ran outside after hearing that airliner to see it fly directly over our house on Garcon point!
We knew it was way to low!
Maybe 300 feet overhead!
Went out by boat to see it in the bay a couple days later!
There were armed guards on it to keep people from getting to close!
What a sight!
Wasn't the plane equipped with landing-lights ?: surely the use of these lights would have given the pilots some indication of how near the ground/water they were ( on top of the "50 feet"/"pull up" audible warnings). In the landing-phase, there have to be some visual checks from the cockpit, just to ensure that the aircraft is properly lined-up with the runway.
@@None-zc5vg Visibility was poor and they were dropping too fast. They also could've just kept an eye on the altimeter.
A construction barge owned by Glen McDonald with McDonald Marine Construction, a "spud barge" was lost in the fog heading for a repair job on the old wooden RR bridge than spanned the bay and heard the jet pass overhead and pulled right up to the aircraft moments after it hit the water and off-loaded the survivers. This was at night and in the fog.
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I always loved the National penchant for using girls names to name their planes.
+watershed44> The name of this plane we learned was Donna. NPR (National Public Radio) used to air a show called "Car Talk" hosted by Click & Clack, the Tappet brothers----Tom and Ray Magliozzi. They would occasionally remind listeners of the "Donna Syndrome." The late Tom's wife first suggested it and it went something like this. If you ever see a female driving a camaro or firebird (usually red) her name is Donna! And if her name isn't Donna it is proof that at her birth the hospital screwed up and mixed the babies.
+watershed 44>That "National penchant for using girl names to name their planes," probably wouldn't "fly" today I don't think. In 1979 just one year before National was acquired by Pan Am the U.S. started using male names instead of the previous female only names for hurricanes; so the political trend had already started by the time they ceased as National.
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It's absolutely ridiculous as well. Like anyone is ever going to change that age old saying "There she blows!" haha....I always thought that using male names for hurricanes was just idiotic. The truth is that the reason for female names was partly seafaring and also hurricanes have a hole in the middle. heheee.
+watershed44> The REAL reason hurricanes were named after females I learned a long time ago (60s) was on a bubble gum wrapper riddle. The question: "Why do hurricanes have female names?" Answer: "Have you ever heard of a himmicane?" Now you know the facts!
Gosh, I remember this so well I grew up in Miami and had neighbors who were pilots for National and Eastern. This is a great explanation of the incident. Great job as usual.
I remember this. I was in the Navy. I was stationed at N.A.S. Memphis, in Millington, Tennessee. I was thinking this happened later in the year. I got transferred to N.A.S. Pensacola in September, 1978; and spent the rest of my short Navy career there.
they didn't even attempt a perfect ditching yet pulled it off spectacularly.
+I Em Hoo Iz I hope you eventually gain some form of intelligence.
Ant Laud nnn
Seemed that way looking at the condition of the aircraft. It was in one piece, didn't look much different to Sully's plane damage wise.
If the plane had been even in a slight turn it would have cartwheeled and broken up. Except for their soaked luggage everyone on that flight was very lucky but for the three people that couldn't swim.
@I Em Hoo I Iz OKAY SHUT UP!
I was in Navy Flight Training at Whiting Field in Milton, FL when this accident happened. I drove daily over the I-10 bridge across Escambia Bay for weeks viewing the nose and tail of the 727 peeking out of the murky waters. What you left out is the fact the aircrew testified they turned off the ground-proximity horn in the cockpit because it made it difficult to hear each other. The human error was due to the aircrew, NOT the ground controller.
A former F-14A driver.
The NTSB report clearly mentions the controller's failures in it's report.
I dig that National Airlines tailfin logo
Love the SunKing livery! Just not the " fly me I'm Donna" crap ad campaign.
Folks had style back then
You what that national airlines tailfin logo? Srry can't understand what ur sayin
I.....LIKE.....THAT.....NATIONAL.....AIRLINES.....TAILFIN.....Get me now?
@@_01waldorandooskichambers01_ oh kk
National Airlines was probably the safest airline back then. Even this crash could have been far worse. It's amazing they were able to control it enough in the last minute to avoid a big disaster. What a nice looking airplane.
I flew on that plane several years earlier from Miami to New Orleans. Landed in a horrible storm and almost overran the runway.
I remember this accident so well because the day earlier, I told my college buddy that National Airlines had some strange accidents (like the crew-induced DC-10 engine failure over the southwest desert). The next day, the newspaper showed the National 727 in the water.
I believe the DC-10 engine failure talking about was United Airlines Dave that jet crash at the Sioux city Airport
@@michaelchamberlain1441 No, he's referring to the National DC-10 that had the #3 engine overspeed and come apart with part of the engine compressor blades breaking a window and the passenger sitting next to it was sucked out and his body was never found because he went through the #2 engine. The NTSB could not determine how the engine was capable of overspeeding at 39,000 feet with the testing that was done afterward.
@@WMAcadet OMG THO 😫 I'm done flying I'm serious.. Or I will always sit on the isle.
@@WMAcadet holy crap!!!!!!
My dad worked at National until the PAA acquisition. Great airline. He said it was the best company he ever worked for.
My dad worked for National to CHS My dad got me a job Unloading the airplanes For ARA Ground services For Pan Am
I was a kid riding across the bridge with my dad when that happened. We were stuck there for the longest time with no idea what had happened. They moved the aircraft to a hangar on the navy base later.
PNS is my local airport, never knew any aircraft crashed there but most approaches are over Escambia Bay and I can see why that would present a challenge or danger in situations like this.
I live in Pensacola and when the fog rolls in, it is no joke. It becomes zero visibility with zero ceiling. This was a combination of errors that led to this.
The pilots were blamed, but could it be that the reason these other planes were going around was because the controller was giving out wrong information in the first place?
@Disney Rants the pilot is the 'ultimate' controller of his aircraft. With over 14,000 hrs of flight time He should have known better than to continue the approach.
Yes - I bet that was why flight 177 did a go-round.
acbulgin2 that’s a very thorough explanation, thank you.
Hillary Clinton, cackling around on her broomstick, confused the controller.
@@stuartlee6622 No, it was your beloved fuehrer Donald Dickless. He confused the controller by telling him/her that the airport has been well protected by our soldiers since the Revolutionary war.
Crazy that the plane took it so good 😮 water tends to rip planes apart like ripping BBQ folio 😬
To those blaming the controller, please take a minute to understand a "Surveillance Approach". ( Or ASR approach in ATC speak). This is a "non-precision approach" not much different than a GPS approach is made today. Back when this crash occurred, ASR approaches were pretty standard in the military, and usually available to civilian airports as well. Today , they are rarely used. Anyway,.. the air traffic controller issues constant course guidance (left or right of the center-line of the runway. They guide them to the runway. However, the descent of the aircraft is the completely the responsibility of the pilot. The controller will issue a "minimum descent altitude" for the crew to descend to, to remain safely above any obstacles, but as low as possible in an attempt to find the runway. The controller will tell the flight crew what the altitude is, and, at a specific point on the the approach, tell them to descend to it. If the pilots descend below that altitude, it is not the fault of the air traffic controller. Any pilot will tell you,.. be it an ASR, a GPS or an ILS approach,.. you DO NOT descend below that minimum altitude UNLESS you have the runway in sight.
Ok Allec I have watched for a week just about all your videos. You have spiked my interest in aviation , you have opened my eyes from assuming what I usually assume when I hear of a plane crash. I I’ll tell you this now I understand what NTSB actually does and the FAA now I know why they work so heard to recover every detail they can in these crashes and the flight recorder boxes . These planes are amazing and pilots and crew have to be on top of their game and so does Maintnance and inspection. It’s a process that saves lives amazing job on all your editing and your real life views
Among your best work to date, keep it up because I enjoy 😉 these videos, I learn a lot of useful information
I live about a mile from Pensacola Airport. I see the planes landing & taking off all the time. This was very interesting. Thanks!
Keep up the good work allec!
Thank You Allec, another great video. You never disappoint. From KBOS
Nice job as always, keep up the good work.
Rip to those 3 passengers
Anthoni Valseca
I made it but now have a new identity
@John Scott Clopton That's pretty unusual. Most of the time when people drown in an aircraft that made a "good" landing on water is because they inflate their jacket before exiting the sinking plane.
@@southrules so disrespectful
@@julosx you are right. They inflate their life jacket, and then can't get through the exit. It is so sad that no one could convince them to get off the plane. I assumed when I read the description that they had drowned because they fell off the wing or didn't have their life jacket on properly.
@TheLogicJunkie RIP
I remember this accident well as I was a junior in high school and living in Pensacola. Two weeks later I was on the same flight returning from New Orleans.
You do an amazing job! Keep it up!
It's PensAcola, not Pensecola. What saved the passengers' lives was the presence of a quick thinking barge captain who maneuvered close enough to rescue passengers.
Yikes! RIP the three who drowned trying to get to safety. But it really was a spectacular landing with unintended input from the crew.
You are doing a great job man.
Pilots are supposed to check notams for the destination airport as well as alternate airports. They obviously hadn’t because they weren’t aware the ILS was OOS.
They failed to recognize the aircraft had reached the MDA until it was 430 feet below it. Being as the aircraft ahead executed a missed approach they should have been extra cautious.
They didn’t seem to have a backup navigational aid to confirm what the controller was telling them was valid.
It is only dumb luck that only three were killed in this accident.
Yes! Thanks Allec!
My dad and I were fishing when this happened. We were about 5 miles away when the plane went down.
Why didn't you go and save those drowned people, ass-hole
Sorry Alec forgot to thank you for your great work.
I flew National quite a bit back in the day and remember this crash like it was yesterday
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👍For the video... Now when I fly in the plane... Know already whats going on in cockpit 😁Thanks for your videos👏👏👏RIP for the 3 precious soul till the Day of Resurrection ❤
Great as always!
The lack of maturity level of a lot of these comments is astounding.........
Like little children........
and THAT'S really disappointing and sad.......
Amazing video
Great video clip as always..
What saved this plane was no engines on the wings to catch water and break it up
Wing mounted engines (like all engines) are made with special pins that break, allowing engine separation, before causing structural damage
its amazing people survuved this crash in the water sad about the ones that drowned.
I live In Pensacola and they have it on the map of the airport for pilots that Runway 26 does have an illusion of it being closer than it actually is
Look how that Boeing 727 held together! Great aircraft. If it ain't Boeing I ain't going!
It helped that the pilots were preparing for landing when they hit the water.
john harris ,
A DC-9 would probably have had similar limited damage.
Considering the aircraft's engines were located at a higher location prevented the engines from scooping up water
Oh dear, another Boeing fanboy. Lame.
pingpongpung is it wrong to be a boeing fanboy? I mean he didnt insult airbus or anything, he only said it was a great aircraft.
Great job
National Airlines Advertising- "Is this anyway to run an airline? You BET it is!" By a very young, slim, beautiful and smiling Stewardess. Back in the days...(I have been flying since I was about 5 years-old in late 1953 so yes, many changes)
That actress was named Andrea Dromm
I worked this crash onboard the USCGC RAMBLER (WLI-298), for 2 weeks.
"Did you get your thing . . . . ?"
Why did the ATC not bear any responsibility by providing incorrect information? This would have been prevented then.
Cali Nuts Thank you for posting this question. The second the video went blank and the sound of the crash, my immediate thought was ATC was largely responsible???
Cali Nuts that's exactly what I thought too...like ummmmm so y'all just Gunna act like ATC had nothingto do with the crash.? Umm ok
not sure where you guys think they didn't.. they were blamed also
"The pilots were blamed for not conducting a missed approach when it was apparent the approach was no longer stable". No mention of the ATC getting in trouble bro.
the NTSB report clearly mentions the controller's failures in it's report.. that is partial blame BRO!!!!!
These vids are second to none.
I'm pretty sure I flew on this plane in 1974 or '75. I flew National Airlines quite a few times in early and mid seventies.
Allec thanks a lot.
fantastic video
Great stuff. Love these videos. I'm always a tiny little bit concerned that I am missing new ones.
Powell Benedict be sure to hit the notification bell to ensure no Vids are being missed :)
While radar control got some blame, it is ultimately the pilots responsibility to monitor the altitude. If they hadn't decended through 450 feet they would have either called missed or flew along for a bit at MDA to see if they could detect approach lights.
From Miami to Pensacola via New Orleans and Mobile? :D Should have brought a map for sure there.
This suprises me because I live an hour away from Pensacola. But i don't live in Florida im from Alabama. Just across the state line
I guess "Did you get your thing" is code for TOGA!!!
I love the song of
Lonely - Mylatestfantasy.
Impressive water landing all things considered
GO-AROUND!!! What a strange cockpit crew + controller. All are to be blamed for that crash + the loss of life.
I lived in Pensacola when this happened I was 8 and remember my dad took me out in our boat to see it.
You’d think that with all the flying experience, they would have conducted a miss approach.
I can recall seeing a copy of a newspaper photo of this bird sitting in the bay, posted on the pilot's bulletin board. Some joker had penned in "AHOOGA! DIVE! DIVE!" on it..
Truly amazing spectacular magnificent video!
As soon as I saw the word deadly in the title I knew it would not end well
R. I. P.
Those poor 3 passengers 😢😢😥😥
My dad worked for this airline national for a long time Then panam took Them over I remember this crash I was very young
I HAD FLOWN ON DONNA A NUMBER OF YEAR BEFORE THE CRASH. I'M ALMOST 60.
Pretty good ocean landing since they were able to recover the plane.
It's PensAcola! Enjoy the videos btw.
Nice Video Allec
Contributing to the crash was poor preparation on the part of the flight crew. While the captain and first officer were aware that runway 16 was closed, they had both forgotten it. A visual approach slope indicator (VASI) light system serving runway 25 was available and operational, but while the information was available to the flight crew, the flight crew was unaware of this alternate approach aid.[2]
An additional contributing factor to the crash was an error on the part of the radar controller. Procedure for runway 25 was to direct flights to intercept the final approach at 8 nmi, with the approach gate at 6 nmi. The controller misjudged the aircraft's distance and turned it to final inside the recommended distance, resulting in the aircraft being on final approach vector at about 4.5 nmi, close to half the distance of a normal approach. The NTSB report concludes the controller "created a situation that would make it impossible for the captain to configure his aircraft in the manner specified in the flight manual".[2]
A reluctance to declare a missed approach pervaded the descent. Radar controller, captain, first officer and flight engineer all had indications of an out of the ordinary approach, producing a rushed and busy environment. An example of this that the captain failed to lower the landing gear immediately after lowering the flaps to 25 degrees, because he "wanted to avoid placing a simultaneous demand on the hydraulic system while the flaps were in transit". Similarly, the first officer never made the required 1,000-ft callout, because he never got to 1,000 ft mentally, because of his "inner time clock" which was based on a normal descent rate. In addition, each person chose not to ask for or offer additional assistance or warnings, including recommended announcements and acknowledgments. The lack of crew communication and a "no problem here" attitude resulted in false awareness of altitude and descent rate on the part of all involved.[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_193
I miss the 727 it was a workhorse !
Me too. It was the first plane I ever flew on.
I remember this being front page news in our local newspaper the Tallahassee Democrat the day after. NA used to serve my old hometown of Tallahassee.
Maybe National should have named the aircraft serving there "Tallahassee Lassie".
I went to school in T- town.
FSU class of '08
Great as usual but confusing as regards flight numbers; I think you should keep mentioning the airline together with the flight number. Thanks!
Safety first
According to me, they should land only when they see any visual signs of the runway, such as the runway beacons
I live near this place and never knew of this.
Please change your misspelling of PENSACOLA. Great video!!
Why would the pilots not see tha altimiter at 450 since they just said moments before 450 was illegal ?
Nice video
I know nothing about flying a plane, but after watching many videos of crashes, it seems that many times there is a failure to monitor altitude and speed when landing. The checklists apparently occupy both pilots, so perhaps a third person needs to be in the cockpit doing the monitoring if ATC radar doesn't have that capability. The pilots have to do a lot of multitasking in those vital minutes. I read somewhere a quote that said that flying a plane is 95% boredom and 5% sheer terror.
When the pilots requested the "ILS" runway that's a radio beam that guides the airplane down a "glideslope" so as to make a landing in bad conditions relatively easy. In this case the pilots had to go old school and descend without the aid of a radio glide slope. Obviously they fucked it up, but you with a working glide slope such an accident is basically unheard of. There was one where the pilots where told the glideslope wasn't working, but somehow they still picked up a false signal, trusted it, and followed it right into the ground.
I found this one a bit difficult to follow. So what were the corrective actions from this event? Are controllers trained differently? Different procedures? Or was it plain human error? In these videos it would be nice to find what happened to the culpable parties.
Well made.
Engine noise-->crash-->piano music. I'm starting to see a pattern here :D
Sad piano music. Very sad.
This year I flew from Miami to Pensacola direct. I don't think I would take an otherwise short flight with 3 stopovers.
Nice vid
Damage: Substantial
Airframe: Wipeout
The audio at the start of the video sounds like a 727.
Flying at 50 feet the pilot looks out the window and says the people on the ground look like ants
Copilot screams back those are ants.
niceguy60
Lol!
Is this what happens when someone fails basic math? Man... that one had to be confusing to make, sir Josh... but awesome as always.
Awesome video, as usual, but it’s spelled Pensacola. 😀
Clearly he's not from Florida.
My family is from the Panama City Beach area and my aunts attended UWF University of West Florida in Pensacola. I went to Florida State University in Tallahassee and lived on Pensacola St. Small world.
Right! Also, just because this is in Florida, it's not a "Twin Beach", it's a Twin Beech.
Bryan Baker That’s cool. I went to UWF and used to go to PCB until it became a concrete canyon next to the beach.
Flying a plane a night really seems like you are flying a plane in a void of blackness.. I would be scared to fly at night