Death in The Alaskan Mountains | Alaska Airlines Flight 1866
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Alaska Airlines Flight 1866 was a regularly scheduled flight from Anchorage, Alaska, to Seattle, Washington, with intermediate stops. On September 4, 1971, the aircraft serving the flight crashed into a mountain in Haines Borough, near Juneau, Alaska (JNU/PAJN) on approach for landing. 111 people were killed. It was the first fatal jet airliner crash of Alaska Airlines, and the worst single-plane crash in the history of the United States until June 24, 1975, when Eastern Airlines Flight 66 crashed. To date it is the worst accident in Alaska Airlines history.
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I remember this all to well. I was almost 7 and my Mom worked for Alaska Airlines. I had a friend I played with pretty regularly who lost his Dad on that flight. It was something that effected thus entire region. My Mom didn’t come home from work that day until the next morning due to aiding in contacting next of kin. I was told by my Dad, “Mom has to work late tonight”. Juneau is a very unique terrain and wind challenge for flight. The approach is not typical. A tidbit more on this regarding series of things that may have contributed. It was also understood at the time (not so loudly spoken) that a radio beacon on Sisters Island was determined to be “off calibration” and was found to be in need of replacement after this event. It was reported that it was “picked up” instead of the correct one and therefore the flight crew thought they were indeed in a different location (and closer to Juneau than they actually were) as presented in video. A few human and mechanical failures in this tragedy! Anyway, yes the livery was indeed the Golden Nugget Jet era with black nose and ALASKA in gold and red down the side above the windows. Finslly, one last thing if you were lucky you’d get a flight with a real Russian samovar with “stewardesses” in Cossack uniforms. Crazy pushing and pulling that thing up the isle.
Awesome video!!!! They all are. Keep ‘em coming. Thank you.
Lost some good friends on that flight including the Captain Richard Adams (I had flown with him just the week before in his float plane) and the Parson's family.
Just one mistake can cost you dearly. Sorry about your loss. Rest in Jesus arms
My grandfather and my uncle were on this plane. Thank you for helping preserve some of the history.
A beautiful friend of mine from Wyoming was on that flight. Still miss her today. Life can be to short Shirley
Donald Adams sorry for your loss
Life sucks, hopefully no future planes incidents or accidents.
Sorry to hear that Sir. May your friend Rest in Peace.
Shirley you can't be serious.
May our heavenly Father bless her in His kingdom through Jesus Christ sir. 😇
I live in Juneau and was a 9 year old child when this crash occurred. Thoughtlessly, a substitute teacher played an English class the video tape of the search/recovery on the mountain in my junior high in 1975 and several kids had to leave the room because they’d lost relatives or knew someone. Alaska was so low in population especially then. Seemed as if everyone had a connection to this, when Alaska Airlines only flew within our state too. I didn’t lose anyone I knew but after watching a few minutes of the (pirated?) tape I went to the bathroom and vomited. It was so thoughtless to the victims of this tragedy. 🕯
I'm watching too many of these.
May b u too have height and flight phobia
Like me
Me too, but I don't have a phobia about flying. If I did, I would never be employed or do transatlantic flights to visit my children.
Me too.
Yes me too taking Amtrak to Chicago. Won't fly.
one of the best parts of your videos... hearing the engines at the beginning. dont ever change that
I also like the change in the engine sound as the turn, decend, etc. Also different for props. Really adds to understanding esp if you're not a pilot or play the airplane games.
4:59 The 353 radial?
Seems that pilot error is a concern even with 1000s of hours of flight time...
My father was a pilot. He often told me that if you fly long enough you risk becoming“a bus driver” - which means that pilots with a lot of experience tend to become complacent and take shortcuts instead of actually following procedures. Obviously not always the case but I think me made a good point. P.s - no disrespect to bus drivers…
To address various comments: The Juneau Airport did not have a DME in those days but it was installed at the airport after the crash. The "heads up display" , GPS and Ground Proximity Warning System did not exist at that time. The weather was awful that day …. clouds to the ground. I was involved with the search and it leaves haunting memories of sadness which are difficult to shake. (Subsequent to this crash two others occurred under similar circumstances. A National Guard Plane hit the mountain as did an Air Ambulance).
I remember that crash, one of my high school classmates was on the airplane. In 1985, a Learjet hit the same mountain. There was a phenomenon that caused the beacon's signal to 'bend' at times.
I was on a 727 into Juneau, and that last turn to straighten out to land was done on final just above the runway. That 727's wing came within about 50ft of hitting the ground, however, the pilots timed everything just right.
Now, Alaska has heads up displays and 737s with the latest GPS coupled flight directors, etc.
Larry Wood Please explain this “bending”.
I've watched too many of these. They are seriously addictive. Glad that I rarely fly...😱
I've been obsessed with watching these for years. I think it's the fear of flying that attracts me to this.
Peter Palmer I've flown as a passenger about 30 times, all without incident. I now have neither the need,desire or fear to go yet again.
Drives me crazy to see alot of these crashes happen because of simple errors made!
Pay attention while driving your car.
That is super critical.
I'm with you.
I never fly.
After watching a few dozen of these, I really, REALLY never fly.
This crash may have also been the reason that Alaska Airlines approached Honeywell and Boeing about developing GPS approaches and Juneau was the first airport in the world to get such an approach (at least in the civilian world - don't know about military applications). This type of approach is a hell of a lot easier now with graphic navigation displays that show your position on a map rather than having to interpret your position from analogue instruments. Incidentally, there is an error in the captioning; you cannot have a 4 figure radial.
A+ to you Peter Lovett I saw the 4 figure radial error too but did not say anything to get on Allec`s bad side LOL . I want him to do Trans Caribbean Airways Flight 505 one day.
Peter, thank you so much for this historical factoid about the GPS navigation at Juneau’s airport.
I've ridden passenger in and out of Juneau twice. "Challenging "? Understatement of the week!! Lol. This was in early 80s.
@@russellmooneyham3334 You would have noticed that the approach path is not aligned with the runway and requires a late heading change - its not a huge change, probably 10 to 15 degrees or so but its very close to the threshold.
@@peterlovett5841 it also "seemed" like you drop straight out of the sky, slam down. And on takeoff felt like you were going straight up. Lol. It's been quite some years ago, but I haven't forgotten!!!!
I had not heard of this accident until now. How tragic for the flight deck with all that combined experience to just slam into a mountain! Seems like the Second Officer would have noticed waypoints/altitudes weren’t adding up.
If I'm flying a 2 pilot plane, each of us determines our position, waypoints, etc., independently.
Yes, it's more work but if 2 pilots come to the same conclusion, the chance of a error is very small.
My great aunt missed this flight by 30 mins. Unfortunately her father and son (8yo) were on that plane. RIP
A friend of mine investigated this plane crash, as he was an Alaska state trooper back in 1971. He told me that the planes impact with the mountain was so devastating that a couple of off duty police officers who were passengers on this plane who were armed, he said that the impact with the mountain was so traumatic that their service weapons were smashed into blobs of compacted metal. He told me that these things he saw were something that he could never get out of his head. It was a terrible tragedy. The sister airplane to this doomed 727/aircraft delivered to AK airlines back in the early 70’s was a contracted 727 plane that flew oil workers back & forth from Prudhoe Bay to Anchorage for many decades.
Because so many years have passed, this crash has largely been forgotten. It was their only crash until Flight 261 crashed 29 years later.
no, they've had other crashes in the past, but this and flight 261 were their only major incidents i believe. otherwise alaska airlines has a very good safety reputation, save for the cause of flight 261's demise.
Be spooky to see remnants still there - I believe the remains of Air NZ TE901 are still at Mt Erebus also :(
You would think they would have collected everything when they were recovering the remains of the souls onboard the aircraft. :/
The surrounding of the crash site are pretty hostile because of low visibility and temperatures… South Pole isn't a very welcoming environment.
Observations at the Lat Long coordinates of NZ 901 revealed the remains are no longer visible on the surface. Assume covered by accumulated ice. It's a bit misleading for media to describe it as "on Mt. Erebus". It impacted an ice field at a much lower altitude, down-slope on the flank of the mountain.
Tragic. I don’t remember this crash. I was 14 and probably not paying much attention to the news unless waiting to hear if school was canceled for a snow storm...
Birdnest58 ...I get you! 😭 so sad....I know Air travel is safe....but...I always wonder every time I get on a ✈️ plane! ✈️✈️🆘🆘☠️😱🧳🔥💥🛩⚰️⚰️💔
I was four days away from being inducted in the Army.
RIP the victims
The only good thing I can say about this crash is at least the passengers didn't have any idea that they were about to hit a mountain. No anxiety or stress. Just from one world to the next. I'm guessing no bodies were recovered?
I'm impressed you got that long-lost livery right!
Good eye Jeff Ster!
all he does is check Wikipedia. that's not impressive.
I was working in flight operations in Seattle for Alaska airlines when this happened. I had to go to Portland as a Loadmaster on a company Hercules to get all the empty coffins abd get them to Juneau. I knew the copilot Red Beach very well from flying in South America with him in Alaska Herc Operations.
With this one, The pilots may have not properly identified the correct NDB ( Non Directional Beacon ) to home in on with there ADF ( Aerial Direction Finder ) or VOR ( Very high frequency Omnidirectional Radio Range ) with DME ( Distance Measuring Equipment ) to show the angles and distance from the ground antennas to fly around that area using a CDI ( Course Deviation Indicator ) . Not only do you got to turn dials so you tune into the correct radio frequency to that NAV aid ( like your stereo to your favorite music station ) but there is a morse code audible identification broadcast from that device you can hear in his headphones, it has to match the code posted to the intended one in your charts. That's how you positively know that's the one you need to be using to guide you to the airport or around mountains.
They may have been getting erroneous and incorrect indications on his instruments from some other radio transmitting device on the same frequency as the intended identified device. Or pilot error in not navigating the approach area with his electronic systems.
What saves lives in this scenario is a FLIR ( Forward Looking InfraRed ). A Heat Seeing CCTV camera pointed forward that allows the pilots to see a black and white temperature differential image that can show mountains, ground and the outlines of a paved Runway for landing. This was very expensive Military Ground Attack ALL Weather Day or Night equipment just being used in Vietnam back in the early 70`s. Today, a lot of newer Civilian airliners and Private jets have Enhanced Vision systems with a Heads Up Display that saves lives. It should be made mandatory for ALL airlines to have them on all there aircraft!
What would save more lives is simplifying the landing.
I was kind of saying the same thing too. like in the video, its seems the ATC was trying to put them in a low altitude holding pattern, in the low cloud cover mountainous area. But other commenters been saying that Juneau AK area is a real doozy. Why not keep them high above the clouds then send them out and back in on a direct approach ? Maybe that airport is a bowl surrounded by mountains. A FLIR still is the way to go. It was too " the jetsons " back then and expensive.
Thinking about it some more, they may have been going straight in from above the clouds , they may have had the horizontal or L NAV correct but not the vertical or V NAV on point. They said they past a named FIX point but they did not in reality, they may have step down too early into a mountain. .
First Officer & Flight Engineer should have confirmed Captains call of over Howard by reference to their own charts & not just accepted his statement.
@@graemewilliams1308 How did the captain make the mistake of thinking he was over or past the fix named Howard?
I lived in the Lemon Creek area of Juneau for years, flew in and out of Juneau Airport countless times, and yeah, you can still see the wreckage of that downed aircraft....
I don’t recall seeing an Accident Investigation episode on this accident. Thanks for making this video!
The " 3 holer " was one of the best airframes at the time. Yet a pilot still had to manually fly the plane and had to be proficient with using sectional charts to back up his navigation. That was what I had to do to pass Ground School. We had no GPS or computer " fly by wire " planes. You were ALWAYS made aware of your proximity to mountains and you flew with dead reckoning skills because if you didn't, you were dead! Sectional charts and the manual flight computer were always carried in the flying " suitcase " by every pilot. you owe your passenger's lives to use these items, as we have seen in this excellent CZcams presentation.
These planes had automation. Flight director and autopilot which are not much different than fly by wire planes a couple decades later.
What they didn’t have was an RNAV system like INS, LORAN, or GPS... and there was no DME to delineate the fixes. They were using a VOR which requires you to interpret a radial rather than reading a distance with a DME fix or seeing a waypoint on a moving map or progress display.
The back ups they refer to were likely other VORs or NDBs and their radials to the fix. But it can be challenging to tune and interpret all of that information.
But even today with the GPS glass cockpit aircraft I fly, I tune up traditional navaids for backup and situational awareness.
@@Bartonovich52 Something else was missing in many airliners back then : a useful, efficient GPWS.
the_punnisher--sectional charts in IMC?
How would a sectional chart help flying IFR? I'd use IFR en-route charts.
A short flight to oblivion. It's amazing how the tiniest detail can bring them down.
Zero_BS_Tolerance it is rarely one detail. Almost always can be traced to 5-7 sequencial errors before the aircraft is doomed.
yep very delicate but so powerful.
Keep up the good work Allec.
On September 8, 1973 I was on duty in charge of surveillance at the King Salmon Norad Control Center when the Norad radar operator in Cold Bay called me to report a "large plane had vanished from his screen." I informed Anchorage and a rescue plane was sent to the area. Turned out to be a World Airways DC-8 (cargo); all lives were lost when it slammed into a mountain.
Another excellent video Allec.
I know the entire incident is sad, but at least no one on that flight knew what was coming. I just mean that most airplanes realize that something isn't right and they have time to panic. RIP to the crew and passengers.
This is a beautiful tribute, very nicely done.
Great video Allec! Never knew these crash before!
So do i
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Harrison La time traveler Hi
On the other hand, there was so many CFIT back then, it's hard to remember them all.
@@notused6779 no you didn't. don't be a know it all.
Just 7 years later, the aircraft mentioned at 2:21 crashed in Minnesota.
TonyTheCar1
Now that's disturbing! Strange.
Having been unaware of this accident until Allec’s excellent presentation here, I kept looking out the window from the crew’s perspective, straining to see that little plane come into view, for surely what I expected was a mid-air collision that likely would have killed at least one more! So I’m assuming the little Cessna or whatever it was was oblivious to any of this until he landed and someone told him later.
now that is an interesting fact. much better comment than "I'vE NeVeR HeArD oF tHiS oNe." which makes up the majority of these comments.
@@Maplelust I've never heard of you
That was unreal. What a unfortunate tragedy. Another quality video Alex 🎉
Great video as always, man :)
Wow, I didn't even know about this crash until I saw this video
Jay P • Same here!
1989: Heads-Up displays for the pilots? Let’s spend the money on it!
2000: Can of grease for the jackscrew? Fuck it, we’ll save $8.
Robert Serling wrote an excellent book about Alaska Airlines called "character & characters" that documents the Alaska 1866 and Alaska 261 accidents in the telling of the Alaska Airlines story. Highly recommended reading.
I was in an emergency landing on Shemya Island, Alaska. What this title made me think of was this-if we had crashed, people would be watching our video and I woulld be just another nameless passenger in the fuselage. RIP to all.
That was a good looking plane. Alaska Airlines seem to always have cool designs.
Sometimes you gotta look good when you're going down. 😏
@@shiftyFlacko LOL
Slogan should be:"We will fly you onto a mountain, but you will look so cool!"
Wow! I believe I lived in Anchorage when this crash occurred (just have to check moving date). So it’s strange that I don’t recall this right off - thank you for introducing this bit of history, though tragic, so well. The newspaper clippings were excellent.
FYI, in the 60’s passenger planes couldn’t fly from Anchorage to Seattle non-stop. As was this flight, many Anchorage to Seattle flights were milk runs with multiple stops. Sitka was a standard 45 minute refueling stop. The runway was just long enough; the planes touched down on one end and stopped at the other end. Eventually they added buttresses on both ends to make it look longer.
I would find the chronology easier to follow with Rockledge and Earlow being introduced in the pre-crash timeline. In general, IMVHO, the timeline on this video feels a bit scrunched. I grok very much that every detail adds time and labor. Thank you for all your hard work.
Whats a milk run?
J. Lynn Detamore>Less than a year before this crash was the crash of the Marshall University football team--- Southern Airways Flt 932. All players, coaches and boosters on board were killed. The plane crashed into a hill. It received a lot of lasting publicity including a movie, "We Are Marshall," and a documentary I think. Perhaps this crash overshadowed subsequent crashes. I clearly remember Marshall, but not the Alaska crash.
At the time, that crash may have been the worst crash for a sports team. Perhaps it broke a record established just in the prior month! Yes indeed, just prior to the Marshall football team's plane crash in November 1970, Wichita State's football team had also crashed in October 1970! It flew into a mountain. Continental drift? It seems these mountains are always getting in the way!
There are ongoing memorials dedicated to these sport teams' crashes thus keeping their tragic events in the public's mind. I may have heard something about the Alaskan crash, but I just don't remember it either. I guess it came not too far removed from these other more publicized crashes.
I flew non-stop Seattle to Anchorage in 1967. The theme was the Gay Nineties. Stewardesses were dressed as Can Can girls and the cabin decor was early whorehouse red velvet. Only six passengers on board the 727 with seven crew. Flying used to be FUN.
The Sarge A “milk run” in airline parlance was a regularly scheduled airline flight with multiple stops. It was the best way to serve smaller communities that were on or close to the flight path, but wouldn’t provide enough passengers to warrant their own flight between SE Alaska and Seattle.
The other place in the world that had airline flights that were similarly scheduled and known as milk runs was in Queensland, Australia.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_run
flang1 I get it! Perhaps I mistook the “milk run” element of their route and destination planning for certain airplanes needing refueling stops...?
Our next door neighbor in Juneau was aboard. So tragic!
Beautiful!! Great done video espec the music. Super!!!
The Navigation in the mountains must be precise.. lots of icing there also. Fortunately modern aircraft and airports have much better equipment that allows pilots to know their position at all times. I flew DC-3s in SE Alaska. fantastic when clear, with bad weather which was common, it was best to be over the ocean where there's no rocks in the clouds.
Allec thanks a lot
Good job again Allec , RIP the Victims !
My family lost 4 family members on this flight it was horrible and still is.
Oh my I'm very sorry.
Nice job, Allec.
Another good vid, Alec. Sad.
Wow, I didn't know that it's was the worst single plane crash at that time :(
😕
I looked in my copy of The World Almanac and Book of Facts (2017) and it listed more then a few single plane crashes that killed more people that happened before this plane crash:
June 18, 1953 - U.S. Air Force C-124: Crashed, burned near Tokoyo, Japan - 129 dead
June 3, 1962 - Air France Boeing 707: Crashed on takeoff from Paris, France - 130 dead
June 22, 1963 - Air France Boeing 707: Crashed in storm, Guadeloupe, France W Indies - 113 dead
November 29, 1963 - Trans-Canada Air Lines DC-8: Crashed after takeoff from Montreal, QC, Canada - 118 dead
May 20, 1965 - Pakistani Boeing 720: Crashed at airport in Cairo, Egypt - 121 dead
January 24, 1966 - Air India Boeing 707: Crashed on Mont Blanc, France-Italy - 117 dead
February 4, 1966 - All-Nippon Boeing 727: Plunged into Tokyo Bay, Japan - 133 dead
March 5, 1966 - BOAC (British Overseases Airways Corp.) Boeing 707 - Crashed into Mt. Fuji, Japan, after encountering severe turbulence - 124 dead
December 24, 1966 - U.S. Military-chartered CL-44 - Crashed into village in S. Vietnam - 129 dead
April 20, 1967 - Globe Air Bristol Britannia - Crashed on approach to airport, Nicosia, Cyprus - 126 dead
April 20, 1968 - S. African Airways Boeing 707 - Crashed on takeoff from Windhoek, Namibia - 122 dead
May 12, 1968 - U.S. Air Force Lockheed C-130B - Hit by enemy mortar while evacuating Kham Duc Camp, S Vietnam - 155 dead
March 16, 1969 - Venezuelan DC-9 - Crashed after takeoff from Maracaibo, Venezuela - 155 dead
July 3, 1970 - British-chartered DH-106 Comet - Crashed near Barcelona, Spain - 112 dead
@@jojo-fu4xh I was going to ask who the face on the tail was. Am I right in saying it is just a random miner?
@@TheOmega13a am I right in thinking that there is a preponderance of American aircraft in this list?
Benjamin Wilson FYI, since you probably or may not already know this: it’s not an “Indian.” He’s an Alaskan native or Eskimo/First Nations of some lineage.
@@JLynnDetamore thanks for the info 👍
I dont know why i watch these disasters. Makes me scared to get on an airplane again.
@Julie Nelson It's the safest way to travel, Julie. A pressurized tube traveling at 20,000 feet above sea level with little or no oxygen at about 400 mph and no place to go but DOWN. You know you love it girlfriend.
Nice vid, Alec. Well done. May those souls now rest...
I was 16 years old at the time of this accident. I remember reading (if my memory is correct) something about the co-pilot and a stewardess on board where either engaged or married. I remember thinking how sad that was.
Didn't the ATC tell them to approach around 9000 feet? Why were they down below 5000?
That's the point
The captain thought they passed Howard intersection. After Howard you're cleared to 1000 ft. They crashed well before Howard.
I would feel most vulnerable flying in a plane when its going over the ocean or vast , frozen mountainous terrain
I grew up with 6 of the victims and they were all from Barrow, AK. We were at a dance the night before the flight. And 3 others missed the flight due to having had stayed up too late, the rest is history.
They were on there way to Mt. Edgecumbe High School, to finish out year.
Paul Pat loyal, wow, I'll bet that had a major impact on the lives of the three that missed the flight..
May all that perished in this disaster R. I. P.
"Too Low Terrain!Too low terrain!Pull up!Pull up!"
If only alaska airlines paid as much attention to jack screws and maintenance
One jack screw like 20 years ago now.
Proper maintenance eats up those precious profits.
nice video!!! You should do the air show disater on August 1988
I’ve been on that trip probably more than 100 times...we affectionately called it “The Milk Run.” Most Alaskans know what that means...gut wrenching takeoffs and landings, with lots of religion and/or booze. I lived for the day I made enough money to fly direct. Sadly, these accidents in Alaska continue to happen all too often.
allec you are my hero
Woah! Where's your beginning title card thingy??? This tripped me out
Why the fuck do I watch these?
They're only going to make me even more scared of flying than I already am.
I wish you could make the print in the video darker, so it could be easier to read. With the print being it's difficult to read against a light background.
Other than that, I enjoy the videos.
Are they crazy to drop to such a low altitude in fog and clouds ??? 3000 ft for an inflight liner !!!
Jim Thompson l know, but that altitude is reached towards landing, not a cruising altitude!!!!
If he was in the right spot, he would have been fine. He was preparing to land, which means he has to descend at some point.
Alaska airlines always says ..in their ads. " NO ONE KNOWS ALASKA LIKE ALASKA KNOWS ALASKA." .THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE CRASHED IN ALMOST EVERY PLACE ONE CAN
IN ALASKA. VERY SAD BUT TRUE..I myself was the lone survivor of one such flight. Now days I'm traveling by ship, or driving....
Really? And what flight was that?
I'm glad nothing bad happened during my first plane ride. This was in 1999 2 years before 2001. I was also on my first cruise also. I haven't been on a plane since the Spring of 1999.
Great video!Can you also do Air India 101 which recently landed in Newark after multiple instrument failure?
Almost 14000 flight hours and slam!
Oh boy!
When no answer forthcoming, blame the pilot for using faulty data in pre-internet/GPS 1971.
Sounds like the pilots did all they could with the info they had.
If not for the Piper they wouldn't be in that situation.
Is this the crash that occurred in September ‘71? The aircraft was most likely still in its Golden Nugget livery with an all black nose cone. Great video otherwise!
Hey Allec, can you make the video for a mid air collision that happened on September 10, 1976 between a British Airways Flight 476 Siddeley Trident 3B and a Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 550 DC-9. That collision occurred near Zagreb, Yugoslavia. (now Croatia)
watching all these plane crash videos make me not want to fly
Do you go anywhere ib a car?
Just had to be a horrific crash, head on into a mountain?? Oh my God!! I still think the other Alaska airlines crash when they were flying inverted into the ocean had to be even worse, for all the passengers and crew!
These are addictive
Investigators just blamed the pilots but they did not find the reason for sudden change in altitude from 12k to 4k and why the plane started to decent so fast and crashed? Just blaming the pilots for non understanding navigation procedures is not going to help. In early days they used to throw everything on pilots.
It's amazing watching pilots have 13,000 plus hours and still make a mistake like that.
Juneau airport is considered to be one of the most dangerous... Because Juneau is closed in by mountains, and frequent lousy weather conditions.
So is Queenstown NZ.
Alec, where u download these extra planes let alone the liveries .. ?
Which FS2004 model is Used ?. Tds or captainsim
I’ve flown a lot and I’m still not scared of flying
Neva heard about this Crash I was young back then.
Cool video. I suggest you doing Adam Air 574 (Cause: Spacial disorientation)
Why no alarm that they approaching low altutude and direct to the mountain .
Way before the days of gpws (ground proximity warning system). They where inventing it around that time, but not that early.
The U.S. NTSB investigated the accident. The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) were recovered from the crash site and read out. The wreckage was inspected, and pertinent items were removed for further study by both the NTSB and the various manufacturers. After determining that there were no apparent issues with the crew's qualifications or the aircraft, their investigation focused on the navigational equipment and techniques used for the approach. Both navigation radio receivers on the aircraft were found to be in good working order, and all ground-based navigation stations were likewise operating properly. From the CVR recording it was determined that the crew did not use the audio identification features of the navigation radios. Further, they did not use all available navigational aids to help determine their position, though it is noted that the approach they were performing did not specifically require the use of those facilities. In addition the NTSB found there was potentially a lack of crew coordination between the two pilots in their navigation radio tuning procedures. Based on the crew's conversation and the flight's erroneous position report over BARLOW intersection, the NTSB noted that the Captain's navigation radio had apparently presented the crew with consistently false information at several points along the approach path. No reason for the false indications could be determined. The NTSB also found that ATC had used proper procedures in handling flight 1866. The small aircraft that entered the airspace during their descent might have been a distraction for both the controller and the pilots.
The NTSB Final Report was released on October 11, 1972. The investigation found that the following factors contributed to the accident:
Findings:
# The aircraft was certificated, maintained, and loaded properly and there was no failure or control systems. malfunction of the aircraft, powerplants, or control systems.
The crew was certificated and qualified for the operation.
Air traffic control handling of AS66 was appropriate and in accordance with prescribed procedures and standards.
The issuance of an incorrect clearance to N799Y caused this aircraft to stray into airspace where its presence caused an additional traffic control workload from a separation as well as communications standpoint.
Involvement in the N799Y activities and awareness of the uncertainty about that aircraft's whereabouts and intentions might have created a distraction for the crew of AS66.
The crew did not use audio identification procedures when tuning in the pertinent navigational facilities.
It could not be established that effective crew coordination took place when the first officer changed his VHF navigational frequency from the VOR to the localizer and requested the captain to tune in the VOR.
The crew was subjected to seemingly correct but erroneous navigational information which led to a premature descent into obstructing terrain.
There was no altimetry system malfunction.
The display of the intersections that delineate the Juneau localizer approach were displaced about 35°- 40° counterclockwise, based on the recorded callouts by the crew.
The captain's VOR receiver was tuned to the Juneau localizer at impact, and the associated frequency selector had been manipulated just prior to impact.
There was no evidence indicating that the crew used all available navigational facilities to check the flight's progress along the localizer.
Flight tests and other research failed to disclose a Sisters Island VOR malfunction which would have accounted for a large bearing error on the day of the accident.
Examinations and tests of the recovered aircraft's avionics equipment revealed no evidence of other than normal operation.
Research into the compatibility of Doppler VOR transmitters and the existing aircraft that would indicate any discrepanEarnest K Ganncy in this navigational receivers revealed no information area.
- NTSB final report
probable cause of the accident was the following:[3]:41
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was a display of misleading navigational information concerning the flight's progress along the localizer course which resulted in a premature descent below obstacle clearance altitude. The origin or nature of the misleading navigational information could not be determined. The Board further concludes that the crew did not use all available navigational aids to check the flight's progress along the localizer nor were these aids required to be used. The crew also did not perform the required audio identification of the pertinent navigational facilities.
- NTSB final report
Aviation writer Robert J. Serling's 2008 history of Alaska Airlines, Character and Characters, includes a description of the NTSB investigation and subsequent independent investigations.[3]:41[2][8][9] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_1866
If you find this run not of human error. I advise you to do this in Flight Sim X with real controls and working with the near realistic approach for that airport.
Not only is it insanely difficult, you see nothing the entire time.
This kind of flight still goes on here in Alaska. We call them milk runs as the plane goes up for thirty down for thirty and it on the ground for an hour until doing it again maybe 4 to 6 times during the flight to Seattle.
You should do the PSA flight in San Diego from 1978, we just hit the 40 year mark of that horrible crash into a neighborhood.
He did a while back and did a great job. Search for it.
Must be a bitter reminder of that fateful day. Especially to incoming passengers to Juneau.
I've heard this phrase in a lot of these videos...."failed to use"......
that is very sad,i took a flight just once in my life.
The newspaper shown has an article titled Nine Air Crashes.
I think this is the only time I can remember that they left some of the plane behind. Very unusual especially for a commercial plane
Tragic .. where was the 'pull up' alarm?
GPWS (short for Ground Proximity Warning System), which controlled that alarm, was not required by the FAA until 1974.
They can credit the HUD all they want, but it doesn’t seem that it would have made one bit of difference in this accident.
They never knew what hit them. Reminds me of the 1979 Erebus crash a bit.
Just watching this as my mate is taking off in the middle of a storm
Darned sudden stop.
Why the hell am I binge watching these when I have AT LEAST 2 different roundtrip flrights to catch in the next month & a half??!?! Especially when I already don't like flying smdh