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  • Nearly 5 years after Libby German and Abby Williams were found dead, a new push in the investigation. This is the first piece of new information released since 2019.
    On December 7, 2021, WTHR 13News spoke with the family about the new lead, and what we're learning about the man behind a social media account Delphi investigators are now looking into.
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Komentáře • 169

  • @stephz0r93
    @stephz0r93 Před 2 lety +66

    I really hope this gets solved. This is so heartbreaking 💔

  • @Tuscarora21
    @Tuscarora21 Před 2 lety +36

    " someone in a local jail " could be the tip that solves this murder case

  • @RepentfollowJesus
    @RepentfollowJesus Před 2 lety +30

    Please young ladies , do not meet a guy you meet like this. They never have a working camera. But even ones who do could be your murderer.

    • @keithcavanaugh2133
      @keithcavanaugh2133 Před 2 lety +1

      Everyone agrees the bridge situation was not planned. If they didn't find the people responsible five years ago. They won't find him now.

    • @asbisi
      @asbisi Před 2 lety +1

      If you want to meet, always meet in safe places with people around. Don´t meet anyone you met online alone.

    • @screamingtima1318
      @screamingtima1318 Před 2 lety +5

      @@keithcavanaugh2133 I don’t agree with that at all! There are murders that happened 20-30 years ago and they eventually found the killer(s). I’m holding out hope that they will find out who killed Abby and Libby and I have a feeling that they are close now. 🤞

    • @keithcavanaugh2133
      @keithcavanaugh2133 Před 2 lety

      @@screamingtima1318 the guy that looks like Chumley from reality tv isnt even a person of interest.

    • @deliajones9541
      @deliajones9541 Před 2 lety

      Do not meet strangers you meet online unless you meet at the police station in your community. Do not leave with them for any reason.

  • @superjaded1738
    @superjaded1738 Před 2 lety +40

    There’s renewed effort to find answers to these unsolved crimes in Indiana. They solve cold cases all the time, never give up.

    • @BrianCarnevaleB26
      @BrianCarnevaleB26 Před 2 lety +7

      THIS GUY KLINE IS CHARGED WITH 30 FELONIES. All involve minors and children. Even if he is never tied to this case he will never be released from jail until he is in his 70s as it stands now.

    • @BrianCarnevaleB26
      @BrianCarnevaleB26 Před 2 lety +7

      BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE SOLVED THIS ALREADY. tHEY HAVE A BUNCH OF EVIDENCE AND A SOUND RECORDING AS WELL AS SOME IMAGES.

  • @pearlpolanski
    @pearlpolanski Před 2 lety +21

    Maybe they found pics of Libby and/or Abby in Kline's phone.

    • @F8racer
      @F8racer Před 2 lety +3

      I don't know about pics, but heard the profile commented and liked some of her stuff on Snapchat.

    • @bradsanders407
      @bradsanders407 Před 2 lety +1

      If that was the case why has it took nearly 5 years for them to bring this profile to the publics attention? Who the hell remembers a screen name from 5 years ago? This seems like they are throwing stuff against the wall at this point.

  • @donniepatt9514
    @donniepatt9514 Před 2 lety +13

    I had a feeling they were catfished but they kept saying no

  • @TruthSeeker4Justice
    @TruthSeeker4Justice Před 2 lety +27

    They know who did this to my niece, and everytime someone gets into trouble everyone seems to think 🤔 that's it, but they know!! SMH but I do pray one day all those involved are finely brought to justice!!

    • @user-pb5vd1bn8v
      @user-pb5vd1bn8v Před 2 lety +3

      @Jenny Crume «all those involved»?

    • @daleme8187
      @daleme8187 Před 2 lety +2

      They knew about this in 2017....this is not new, not new at all

    • @screamingtima1318
      @screamingtima1318 Před 2 lety +5

      What do you mean “all of those involved”? You say something like that, so you should have expected that ppl were going to question your statement. So many of us have been following this case and praying so hard for justice and closure for the families, so could you please explain what you mean?

    • @1979mattant
      @1979mattant Před 2 lety +4

      @@screamingtima1318 She is saying the same as I think, they know who did it but he's being protected by the police, he (the killer) has family in the police department or higher and he will never be caught. This case will never be closed.

    • @sylwoods4258
      @sylwoods4258 Před 2 lety +1

      @@1979mattant I'm beginning to question, If this Is the case. I Am beginning to think so .

  • @humbleservant1294
    @humbleservant1294 Před 2 lety +29

    “ I think we’re going to come to understand that very early on we were on to something” - Doug Carter

  • @sarahbishop3416
    @sarahbishop3416 Před 2 lety +26

    Omg I’ve been praying this case would be solved

  • @kelseymariel2127
    @kelseymariel2127 Před 2 lety +37

    Make him say “guys, down the hill”.

  • @JW-qz4jl
    @JW-qz4jl Před 2 lety +11

    Me and my mom been saying they met someone online who they thought was there age and it wasn’t, I could of sworn the family said they dropped them off to go meet some friends at the park in the beginning where are those friends 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @jesseojeda5779
    @jesseojeda5779 Před 2 lety +22

    I can promise you if theyre releasing this information they have already had it and been sitting on it for years. Also they know who opened this account already. Remember people they have multiple agencies including Disney and Dr phil involved. They already know who it is

    • @jesseojeda5779
      @jesseojeda5779 Před 2 lety +3

      @@seafossil2221 i think they just released this because they need to seem as though they're still highly active. Crumbs

  • @RepentfollowJesus
    @RepentfollowJesus Před 2 lety +20

    Maybe he has connections with other predators and they want to see if BG is one of them.

  • @GMZohar14
    @GMZohar14 Před 2 lety +3

    I said from day one they were meeting someone and they weren't sure about the they were meeting which is why she started recording her phone, they were 100% kinda scared about meeting the guy

  • @TrussttN01
    @TrussttN01 Před 2 lety +31

    I feel sorry for the young guy in the photos Kline used. Imagine having your face all over the Internet, connected to this mess.

    • @melissamarcel4094
      @melissamarcel4094 Před 2 lety +7

      They are saying he is a cop in Alaska

    • @slaws2279
      @slaws2279 Před 2 lety +18

      He’ll be fine. I feel bad for the two girls who were brutally murdered and their families.

    • @happyhatkilinski1457
      @happyhatkilinski1457 Před 2 lety +2

      I thought that I heard on another report he was a model from another country, the photos of the fake account.

    • @FOFProductions4012
      @FOFProductions4012 Před 2 lety +3

      @@happyhatkilinski1457 No he is American and used to be a model. Lives in Alaska as a cop now. His pictures have been stolen and used on several fraudulent accounts. IDK why people can't just be truthful and use their own damn pictures smh.

    • @ILuvTvGirl.
      @ILuvTvGirl. Před 2 lety +5

      @@FOFProductions4012 because they are all ugly old nasty men who Don't get girls and use cute guys to catfish and get girls to meet with the man.

  • @marceasusanna7749
    @marceasusanna7749 Před 2 lety +9

    I m sorry but look at the guy. He doesn't even look like BG. Do you want to convict the wring guy? What good would that do? You're grasping at straws. Very sad, a desperate move on LE part. 5 years and LE feel pressured to find something. So sad, so desperate. Find the real BG....................

    • @gunillabergmark3091
      @gunillabergmark3091 Před 2 lety

      Yes, I agree compleatly, you are right!
      I live in Sweden but got hooked by
      this case. I think they trusted this BG
      maybe the landowner...they did not
      expect to be killed... 💔

  • @cynthiarentfrow4481
    @cynthiarentfrow4481 Před 2 lety +1

    out of all the reports I have watched I am happy to see that you interviewed a family member. I can believe your report. Thank you!

  • @screamingtima1318
    @screamingtima1318 Před 2 lety +35

    IMO, James Chadwell killed Abby and Libby. The sketches (Younger version and older version) look very similar to Chadwell, their walks are the same, voices are the same (Chadwell had a tik tok account) even the accents match, body types are the same and he has a penchant for young girls and will be going to prison for molesting and trying to kill a 9 year old girl. I live in New Delphi and on the news this morning, it was said that Chadwell is not being ruled out at this time as a suspect. Chadwell’s own brother and father said that he’s a monster, so even though it could be anyone at this point, I think Chadwell is a very good possibility!

    • @maryt8622
      @maryt8622 Před 2 lety +1

      No, I think Chadwell doesn’t have the light complexion of the man in the video, the complexion was the one thing you could see.Chadwell has an olive complexion.

    • @screamingtima1318
      @screamingtima1318 Před 2 lety +8

      @@maryt8622 Hmm, I just looked again and compared skin tones or tried to. The bridge video is so grainy and fuzzy that it’s hard to tell.

    • @noelinerenwick5347
      @noelinerenwick5347 Před 2 lety +2

      I agree with you totally

    • @FukYourGod1
      @FukYourGod1 Před 2 lety +1

      I think the two attacks you’re speaking of were from two separate people. They don’t have enough in common to be connected

    • @ramonoliveira1036
      @ramonoliveira1036 Před 2 lety +2

      Don't accuse anyone without proof. Especially on the internet.

  • @susieq8253
    @susieq8253 Před 2 lety +8

    Wow! I’m thinking that this BG may have been watching the media on this case all this time! Lots of people thought he might be in groups on the case listening and watching! That’s frightening!!

  • @shhtha
    @shhtha Před 2 lety +8

    Thanks for the 'whole' version 😂

  • @pollyoutofpocket
    @pollyoutofpocket Před 2 lety +15

    He is so GROSS.

  • @monicarobey9994
    @monicarobey9994 Před 2 lety +7

    The composite looks EXACTLY like kegan……………..And parents, you MUST monitor your children’s time & place on social media. Your safest bet is to not let them get on social media until they are legal adults. May sound like you are “depriving “ them of something, but you aren’t. You are protecting them. Besides, there is so much more they could do, such as , nature walks, reading, writing a story or about life, neighborhood projects, helping the elderly, paint, volunteer, etc. There is PLENTY to do and PLENTY of ways to stimulate their brains. Try it !

  • @ChristineDaley
    @ChristineDaley Před 2 lety +6

    WHAT ABOUT DNA??

  • @jamesbennett9620
    @jamesbennett9620 Před 2 lety +2

    I would like to address the last two photos Libby took before she started recording the bridge guy.
    Someone called them scenery photos, but I disagree.
    I think Libby and Abby were meeting someone at the bridge that day. The first photo Libby takes is shooting straight in front of them to the end of the bridge showing that no one is there waiting for them. The next photo everyone has called a photo of Abby, but it is not a photo of Abby because Abby is not posing for the photo. This photo is a shot of the bridge behind them showing that no one is behind them at that point.
    Just my opinion.

    • @xana7088
      @xana7088 Před 2 lety +1

      I knew from the beginning that they did not go for a walk in that place. It looked scary tbh . They went to meet someone who turned out to be a killer. Their phones have the truth

  • @Emy53
    @Emy53 Před 2 lety +1

    No one has ever reported that Abby or Libby were speaking with this guy online. It doesn't explain if this Anthony Shots was ever meeting the girls on the bridge. Why are they connecting the girls with Anthony Shots?

  • @HamCubes
    @HamCubes Před 2 lety +4

    What does that union info on the predo's tee read?
    Does it represent some kind of building-trade that would have been working on the meat-packing plant expansion project?

    • @chief5981
      @chief5981 Před 2 lety +9

      Good catch. UAW local 685 out of Kokomo.
      Auto workers

    • @HamCubes
      @HamCubes Před 2 lety +4

      @@chief5981 Thank you! 🙏

  • @rickycarr3428
    @rickycarr3428 Před 2 lety +2

    That jacket is a Subaru jacket they need to look up who missed work on that day in February could maybe narrow down on someone to question

  • @the.associate3552
    @the.associate3552 Před 2 lety +13

    The dad was involved with drug dealers also

  • @boocline6515
    @boocline6515 Před 2 lety +2

    If he is not a Suspect why put his Face all over the News I don't understand? I 🙏Pray🙏that they will get Justice for these Girls!

  • @kyledamron
    @kyledamron Před 2 lety +4

    I'd love to hear his voice compared to B.G.s voice recording

  • @chrlybndy1
    @chrlybndy1 Před 2 lety +6

    Now I'm confused

  • @anthonycimino2535
    @anthonycimino2535 Před 2 lety +4

    Is it just me or did anyone else get the chills when they showed this guy's picture? His body type and face look so similar to the original sketch... Plus they served a search warrant on his property right after the murder so they might have had a hunch on him. Just my opinion.

    • @Slash687
      @Slash687 Před 2 lety +1

      Looks too fat to be him, and too young

  • @sistershane100
    @sistershane100 Před 2 lety +6

    take a good 60 lbs+ off this Kline.that he may have gained(like many have in covid time)..and he could look like BG in Libby's video.

    • @tonic5673
      @tonic5673 Před 2 lety +1

      U right....I picked up alot of weight during covid lockdown time....like 35 pounds.....

  • @Shann2112
    @Shann2112 Před 2 lety +1

    Has anybody else found any info. about a Kevin Hockenberry being ruled out? I saw a Facebook post naming him but can’t really find any info. linking him at all as a person of interest and it feels like he should be 🤷‍♀️

  • @jaydenbtw5008
    @jaydenbtw5008 Před 2 lety +1

    I wish they were never allowed to go alone this is not a place for little girls to be alone

  • @andrewward2010
    @andrewward2010 Před 2 lety +1

    It was James Brian Chadwell who did the Delphi Murders.

  • @handlingthehowards9543
    @handlingthehowards9543 Před 2 lety +2

    Lord I pray this gets solved soon. Get whoever kill these girls off the street and get their family some relief

  • @thdoggo1
    @thdoggo1 Před 2 lety

    Hugs for big sis. I hope your families get answers. 💕

  • @lancehurley9743
    @lancehurley9743 Před 2 lety +6

    I’d bet that’s him...

  • @JW-qz4jl
    @JW-qz4jl Před 2 lety +3

    They should check Roblox or gaming systems, my nieces friend was talking to a guy pretending to be a teen i think on there telling her to come to California, a lot of parents let there kids game and they be talking to adults pretending to be kids

  • @heeromilov6947
    @heeromilov6947 Před 2 lety

    Praying for these kids families.

  • @twingordon2742
    @twingordon2742 Před 2 lety +1

    Very strange how he looks like the composite scetch..

  • @johnhanks8333
    @johnhanks8333 Před 2 lety +1

    Please investigate the FB post to "Liberty" on the anniversary of the
    murders.

  • @leftenanthiccups.4849
    @leftenanthiccups.4849 Před 2 lety +7

    How did they actually die... What the hell does 'down the hill' mean. Was it really nasty or was it over quickly. Do I even want to know.😔

    • @RepentfollowJesus
      @RepentfollowJesus Před 2 lety +4

      It simply means walk down the hill. They were at the end of the bridge and the land went down from there.

    • @RepentfollowJesus
      @RepentfollowJesus Před 2 lety +9

      By the way. They wont tell how they died in order to prevent false confessions. Only the police and the murderer know and maybe just maybe the family. They can't say what weapon if there was one or people will come say they did it with that weapon. Its good police procedure to keep as much quiet as possible. But I do dearly wish they would release a little more voice recording out to the public so someone may recognize his voice. I still think the first sketch is closer to what he looks like and I believe in my heart he is a truck driver or large equipment driver. Pull into a truck stop and watch the truckers. Not all but most, big bellies, pants loose , same footwear, same walk . I wish i lived near a truck stop on a freeway or major highway with a restaurant that I could sit in all the time and keep an eye out. I guarantee he goes into truck stops. Some have tv rooms but you can't sit in there for the stench as the guys don't use their free shower tickets like they should. Most aren't too bad but some are and it only takes one or two with no deodorant and no bath for a couple weeks or a month and it's hard to even walk past the TV room if the door is open. Its a shame they have defunded so many police as they would be a huge help cruising truck stops a bit. I dated a trucker 100 years ago for 3 years. He looked similar. He is too old to be BG. I went with my hubby over the road when he worked as a trucker for a year or so . We were on the road together over 2 weeks and went all over from Texas to Mass to Chicago and through Indiana even. Back in 06 or 07. That gave me plenty of time to know the trucker world. We were laid over in Tenn for 4 days. Nothing to do but eat in the restaurant in Nashville, sit in the truck and read, pet my Yorkie, talk to hubby and people watch. Good food so we were blessed at that truckstop and not many lot lizards. But plenty of truckers who could be cousins of BG. Hubby started out driving a truck very trim and muscular and by the time he was done had a pot belly and his pants were loose in the seat. Something about sitting in those trucks does that to men in their middle age. Wish everyone would get back into CB radios again. Maybe we could find him through his voice. Especially ladies and tell him they want to meet him at the truck stop and have cops come up there. I just want this dude off the streets. There is another pair of girl friends about their age that went missing in another town or neighboring state that make me wonder if they are connected. I think they were also murdered. Cant think of their names right now. They don't get as much coverage.

    • @TrussttN01
      @TrussttN01 Před 2 lety +1

      Do some research.

    • @glamoc79
      @glamoc79 Před 2 lety

      Mary Wylde wow i dont believe what i read from you nasty comments as myself truck driver i feel attacked by yiu nasty hated comments towards truck driver why did yiu ex boyfriend dumped you yiu never got over him its the reason you hate truck drivers the same drivers that brings evrything you nasty mouth eat dress buys wow you should be ashamed of you self i understand there is bad apples everywhere but you cant blame all of truck drivers you should be ashamed of you self

    • @leftenanthiccups.4849
      @leftenanthiccups.4849 Před 2 lety +1

      Calm down, Mary is just trying to help solve this terrible crime. The truck stop isn't the Hilton, we know that.You can help by driving your truck safely on our highways.If you see that guy at a truck stop, just turn him in.

  • @ashleyvalentine2790
    @ashleyvalentine2790 Před 2 lety +1

    Justice ⚖ for Abby and Libby. God bless you both 🙏.

  • @Flatearth69
    @Flatearth69 Před 2 lety

    Fucking sick world man this makes me so sad and angry at the same time

  • @tphvictims5101
    @tphvictims5101 Před 2 lety +1

    People around the world are working on this. Believe me. SHATTERED MIRROR on CZcams. In Australia 🇦🇺 👍🏻 and believe me Joao is a Badger.

  • @truecrimecolumbia401
    @truecrimecolumbia401 Před 2 lety +5

    He’s to big

    • @maryt8622
      @maryt8622 Před 2 lety +8

      Maybe he gained weight in the last few years because he was overeating due to worrying over being caught.🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @misshoneychurch8153
      @misshoneychurch8153 Před 2 lety +1

      @@maryt8622 or he has been on psych meds that have caused weight gain

    • @jakethemuss3
      @jakethemuss3 Před 2 lety +1

      Rhis happened almost 5 years ago, he could have gained weight.

    • @wonderworld5606
      @wonderworld5606 Před 2 lety

      He was skinnier when it happened, apparently he only gained weight the last couple of years.

  • @user-zv5zg2ks2i
    @user-zv5zg2ks2i Před 2 lety +1

    He is not the same culprit the man Who committed the crime seems older between fourthy and fifty

  • @robynperdieu3434
    @robynperdieu3434 Před 2 lety +1

    OMG, again with the purple! That is a color the evil ones are signalling a ritual sacrifice, that this is...

  • @Jason1975ism
    @Jason1975ism Před 2 lety

    I grew up not too far from there doing the same hiking with my friends.. I hope they get this guy and make him pay! JUSTICE FOR ABBEY AND LIBBY!

  • @badmonkey2222
    @badmonkey2222 Před 2 lety +6

    That looks like the creep on that bridge i think one of those girls had contact with the monster mentioniong that bridge it's all to conveinent i just got a bad feeling thats him.

  • @shininglight143
    @shininglight143 Před 2 lety +1

    This will be solved! I know it! They’re coming for you..

  • @the.associate3552
    @the.associate3552 Před 2 lety +2

    STILL NOT EXPLAINED WHAT THE ANTHONY NAME IS TO DO WITH THIS CASE

    • @marianna7702
      @marianna7702 Před 2 lety +3

      I think they mention it around 0:36 .

  • @spongefun
    @spongefun Před 2 lety

    I hope this one gets solved so justice can be served. Kline looks heavier than guy walking on bridge

  • @2Ryled
    @2Ryled Před 2 lety +7

    This should have been solved. That person is very distinctive. But that guy looks a hundred lbs more than fanny pack guy. I've never seen a young guy wear a fanny pack. That's someone from the 80/90s.

    • @deliajones9541
      @deliajones9541 Před 2 lety

      I think people are focusing too much on the sketches. Its not gonna look exactly like the guy at all. It will be similar. If I draw a sketch of me, it won't look just like me either.

    • @jasonvoorhees6023
      @jasonvoorhees6023 Před 2 lety

      There's no fanny pack LOL. And its the grandfather

  • @Jay2tha206
    @Jay2tha206 Před 2 lety +1

    His name is Anthony_shot, not shots

  • @EpisodeCJSII
    @EpisodeCJSII Před 2 lety

    Heartbreaking...
    This monster will be found!!

  • @jasonlindsey9946
    @jasonlindsey9946 Před 2 lety +3

    At this point the case has gone Cold. Maybe the authorities can get John Walsh to see that it's Closed like he did with the unsolved murder of his son Adam.

  • @sonyadavidson1529
    @sonyadavidson1529 Před 2 lety +1

    Was the guy walking on the bridge telling the girls "down the hill" ever found?

  • @hoppercar
    @hoppercar Před 2 lety

    The police know a lot more than there telling....they want public help ...but yet, only release sketchy, info and grainy pictures

  • @gianttitan7679
    @gianttitan7679 Před 2 lety

    13 n 14 years of age and that matches the date!!!!!!!!! I never seen a comment about that before so let this SINK IN!

  • @arness2426
    @arness2426 Před 2 lety

    Sick

  • @janicesolomon8714
    @janicesolomon8714 Před 2 lety

    Don't think this guy is the one.

  • @sm5405
    @sm5405 Před 2 lety

    I thought it was Chadwell.. the guy looks identical to the killer

  • @annasimmons4543
    @annasimmons4543 Před 2 lety +2

    please let this be something! they need justice! this family needs closure

  • @veeladunn1790
    @veeladunn1790 Před 2 lety

    Paul Etter is Bridge Guy

  • @danielwebster5748
    @danielwebster5748 Před 2 lety

    8th grade both of them would be in 12th grade about The Graduate now the sick pervert make sure that didn't happen

  • @paulafernandes6875
    @paulafernandes6875 Před 2 lety

    Did they ever release how they died and what happened how their bodies were found

  • @toddkoedyker1447
    @toddkoedyker1447 Před 2 lety +4

    These cowboys keep barking up the wrong tree 🌳😒 this guy looks nothing like those profiles?!?
    Need more experienced detectives 🕵️‍♂️😫

  • @starwarsmom
    @starwarsmom Před 2 lety

    Unfortunately they have nothing

  • @geoffreybaker937
    @geoffreybaker937 Před 2 lety +2

    I said about this 3 years ago know one said a word. did not believe me could not happen. now it's true it''s big news..

  • @JoMamaLuvsReptiles
    @JoMamaLuvsReptiles Před 2 lety +8

    What would a child in their right mind would send pictures of their nude body parts to any body? What has happened to our society that says this is okay for you to do?

    • @HuffDaddyYT
      @HuffDaddyYT Před 2 lety +13

      If you're going to say you werent naive and made dumb decisions as a child or teen then you're clearly not in the right mindset. Dont victim blame

    • @tinyvr7036
      @tinyvr7036 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah. Take care of your younger siblings or anyone that may be conned online or elsewhere.
      Talk to them. 💔

    • @reneemitchell4281
      @reneemitchell4281 Před 2 lety +6

      Gasp! A young impressionable girl was manipulated by someone who wasn't what they said they were?! Shame on that young lady! ......that's what you sound like.

  • @the.associate3552
    @the.associate3552 Před 2 lety

    Absalute joke

  • @the.associate3552
    @the.associate3552 Před 2 lety +2

    I think I love older women them 2 reports are serious gilfs