Time To Talk About 8mm Cartridges - Season 3 Episode 12
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I answer listern questions about nickel-plated brass bullets, the 300 saum vs 300 wsm, 6.5 comparison, and 8mm cartridges.
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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I've got a sweet shooting CZ Brno M21 in 8x57 that loves to harvest game up here in Canada.
Best Rifle ever made.
Glad to hear that!
Greetings from Czech Republic 😊
Another fellow Canadian here from Langley, BC! Have an M48 in 8MM….missed out on all the Russian capture K98’s. They had boxes of them for $499 not long ago….now $1500 and up!
A hunting buddy took a big bull moose in NewBrunswick Canada this fall with that exact rifle /caliber . Great round
Like to see a 8mm compared to the 30-06 video. I own a k98 in the 8mm. It's a great rifle and the history behind that mod 98 from 1939 makes it even better shooting it. Especially since it's still in its military configuration!
I love my 8x57 rifle.❤️🐗🐗🐗🔥🔥🔥
The 8x68S was developed in the 30's and is a Magnum cartridge with a bigger (rim- and beltless) base diameter, it's performance is above .300 Winchester Magnum. 8x60S and 8x64S have same base diameter as 8x57IS and were used also for hunting purposes.
And all this 8mm, except the 8x68S were out too in the .318 diameter, that was that civilian thing after WW1. They are stamped without "S", 8x57I, 8x57IR (rimmed), 8x60 and so on. So if you have an old german civilian hunting rifle, it is important you check your bore diameter.
In hunting course they tell sometimes "S" stands for stark "strong", that's wrong, but a good way to remember which one is the bigger bullet diameter.
I was hust gonna say mostly the same.
Good post man! ❤
Techincal !
Let's not forget 8mm js and the 8mm jrs shoots the 323 diameter bullet. Great rifle, great cartridge.
The JS designation is the.323 dia. which is dangerous to shoot in in the older.318dia. bore. Anyone that picks up an 8mm needs to verify the bore before shooting!!
The 8x68S is on par with the 300 Win Mag. It packs way more punch than the 30 06
No. The 8x68S is superior to the .300WinMag.
I used to hunt with an 8mm Mauser for deer and elk in the early and mid-70s. The 8mm had a short barrel and was great for dark timber when hunting both animals.
The 8mm REM mag is one of Bodingtons favorite cartridges ! It’s the parent cartridge of the 7 STW a great cartridge !……. Thanks Ron .
I had a 8mm/338. Not sure if it had a wildcat name, but you could use 375 H&H or 8mmRem brass and fire form it. It was no problem to throw 250 grain bullet over 3000 ft./s. It was an animal, but it would shake your feelings loose so I got rid of it. I wish I had it back. It had an Ackley style type shoulder on it to.
@@capt.america6296 I did a 338 x 8 mm mag and velocity was very close to a 340 WBY , recoil was substantial . Got about 3000 fps from a 225 gr bullet !
The 28 inch barrel on his 8MM Rem Mag is too long.
@@craigleibbrand7761 I have a 29 inch barrel on my 7 STW with a brake , not long at all !…..
I have an 8X57 JS Sporterized and an 8mm Rem Mag. I handload for both but the factory ammo is pretty good. The 8mm RM is a horse, I have killed 2 Nilgai and a couple of deer with it no problems. The 8x57 is a sweet rifle, perfect deer or black bear rifle. I know the 325WM was popular for a while.
That 325 is liked in Alaska
I have several 8MM Mausers. Can't go wrong,.
Hi Ron,
I believe that the prevailing wisdom among blacktail hunters up here in the Pacific Northwest is that there is tons to eat for deer due to our milder temperatures and abundant rain. This is often proposed for one of the reasons that blacktail deer are so private and challenging to pattern. It's because they can afford to live large periods of their lives in very small areas due to the abundant food supplies.
i agree. i live in PNW as well. there are 3 separate groups of blacktail that only wander the 75 acres behind my house. i see them all daily. There is so much to eat, they never leave
I live in the Willamette Valley of Oregon. I do a lot of scouting. Blacktail are private by nature already. The bucks get that way to an extreme as they age and I have yet to scout a buck that doesn't dramatically change his patterns from spring to summer to fall, and winter.
The bucks tend to change their patterns going to and from forage for no apparent reason.
THANKS, RON! YOU ARE THE BEST!
Hallo Ron I have a South African reloading manual before me the 8×68 is a real powerhouse 170 grain bullet going at 3087 feet per second and 200 grain at 2956 feet per second and 220 grain at 2809 feet per second I did pick up a 8×60 cassing at our shooting range I think that's the way they got past the restrictions on the 8×57 I have seen advertisements for 8×64 Brennecke ammo that should also be a good one greeting from South Africa
Yes, WE do 8mm Rem mag & the 325WSM these are USA caliber and they are very powerful they just didn't take off because of the metric sizing but will handle any game animal in AMERICA and most African game, I use it and works great just alittle tough to find at times.
Aim small good hunting and GOD bless.
I have a 8mm magnum and it is a fantastic rifle. Only problem is that it is impossible to find any bullets for it. I'm down to my last 4 cartridges. I've been lucky enough to drop the last 4 moose I got with 1 bullet. I am looking for some help or any suggestions on what I can do to acquire bullets or is it possible to use a different bullet in my barrel. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks
@scottbrunette8366 I have a question: Do you use factory ammunition or hand load ? I can help you with bullets if you hand load, they are .323 195 grn Hornady IL bullets they are a good bullet and just pay the current price. I can let you have a box of 100. Just let me know, and we can work something out. Aim small good hunting GOD bless.
Remington made a Model 700 Classic in 2003-04 chambered in 7.92x57mm. I hunted with surplus 8mm Mausers for many many years. I still use my Remington Mod 700 in 8mm Mauser, not exclusively, but several times each season. It will bring home the venison as reliably as anything.
Try norma oryx 196 grain.
@@robertpetersson5655 I've had more success with Hornady 150gr spitzers over the last 45 years.
I recommend Norma Tipstrike,Vulkan and Sierra Game King.
the 170 gr Speer has performed well in my 8x57
Love 8mm. Own 2. Many hakims and mod. 48s came into the us back in the 90s. Tons of ammo as well.
Hi Ron,
you can better compare the 8x68s with the 300WM. It is actually a true magnum without a belt. It is waaay more powerful (over 4000J up to 5000J @ the muzzle) than a 30-06 and was originally designed for hunting plains game in old German colonies in West Africa where it is still popular today. Especially for reloaders an interesting cartridge.
Kind regards from Switzerland and thank you for your highly appreciated content
Of course it depends on bullet weight. Here are the loads I currently use.
30/06 = 4208J.
300 win mag = 5345J
338 win mag = 5437J
Hope this helps. I use 338 win mag too so I included it as well.
Hello,
Indeed 8x68s is a true magnum without a belt 👍🏻
Here in Romania is used for the big wild boars, mountain goats and other big games.
I have 8x68s from Steyr and is amazing..
Lots of GIs brought back K98s and couldn't find ammo for them. They had them rechambered in 8mm.'06. which was slightly ballistically superior to the .30'06.
The worst part about your videos is having to wait for the next one. Can't get enough!!!
I have been hunting with 8mm mauser for a while now. Best cartridge I've ever used for whitetail. I've never have had one run off when shot. They always drop dead where they are.
34:00 we have reached the point in history where it is no longer acceptable to "sporterize" antique arms such as the K98 and others(technically in the C&R class of arms). If you want one sporterized, you can buy the sporterized ones on the cheap, because historians and collectors don't care about them. Some are really well done, others the hack saw marks are obvious. Either way, if you want to chop down the stock, or shorten the barrel, or drill and tap it for a scope, or bed the action, then get one that's already been sporterized, and save the original historical pieces for future generations.
Nonsense
Mr. Spomer, you mentioned the 7mm coming up. A lot of information on the older 7mm Brenneke (7x64 and 7x65R) is based on the 100+ year old design information, but looking at this cartridge, using modern powders and long-for-caliber, high-BC bullets, really shows how much of a genius Mr. Brenneke was - same for modern loadings of the 280 AI. All of them are in my very humble opinion, great rounds for hunting. Again, thank you for providing high quality and interesting content for us hunters and shooters.
Best,
/Soren
Dont forget 9,3x64 brenneke. The original 375 ruger.
wow another Brenneke adherent.cool.7x64 is my favorite. one day I will pick up a 8x64s
Thanks for explaining the use of an adjustable sling to control length of pull. That's exactly how I manage it. Regarding, 40 caliber ammo, seems to the the .41 caliber is the closest substitute. The first .41 caliber round was developed in 1863.
I came here for 8mm story and it is on the end of this episode......
And not much of one. I think we deserve another about the 7.92x57 Mauser.
I wouldn’t mind hearing more about old and obscure cartridges such as the .256 Newton. The history of how we got to where we are today regarding all products, especially those gun related, I find very interesting.
You’re a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for. Love the channel love the videos.
the main .40 rifle i can think of is the .408 cheytac
Awesome, thanks Ron
Interesting comments on the 8x57. I have owned a couple of 8x57 Mauser and taken quite a few deer with them. I have settled on a sporterised G33/40 8mm K98 carbine. These were originally issued to paratroopers and alpine troops and were made in the Brno factory in Czechoslovakia. The barrel is mint, outstanding accuracy, powerful and a pleasure to shoot. I was really lucky to pick it up 2nd hand at a bargain price. Mint barrel. Sure it’s not as fancy or flat shooting as my 3006AI custom but its still very good and handy for me. I use Normal 196 grain Vulcan ammo in it and it does fine. Great penetration and wound channel.
I've been using 8x57 mauser CZ 550 for many years.
I've killed so many pigs that l can't remember the amount.
I got the best results Norma Vulkan and Sierra Game King bullet.
I lived in western Oregon for a while and this is my first time hearing about a bench legged deer. 😂
I harvested a couple moose with the 8mm rem mag, when i had the rifle i was using the 220 grain hornady at 2850 fps, long gone are the days of punishing my shoulder, but it was more than anything in this part of Canada
I hunted bench leg black tails in the 50’s and 60’s with my father in oregon and haven’t heard that name since then. Some back then would call them mule deer bench leg!
As for nickel plated ammunition in the automotive world we use nickel to break in Motors. It’s a very good metallic lubricant.
Cupro nickel bullets were made / used by some countries years ago in mostly military type of ammo / calibers, and it did not seem to be detrimental to the bore of a rifle.
8x57IS, 8x57IRS, 8x68S are phantastic cartridges!
I bought a 300 SAUM in 2005 (If I remember correctly). I got that over the 300 WSM because the Remington came in the Model Seven Magnum. Yes, I lost a little velocity with that 22 in barrel, but it exceeded the .30-06 and the WSM was in a 24” barrel. It is one of my favorite rifles. With a lighter 150gr bullet its very effective on dropping a deer very quickly with a lung shot. I hunt in Eastern North Carolina and in the early part of the season, if you do not drop them where they stand, or get a very good blood trail, the deer will be in very thick cover in 2 or 3 steps. If I was doing it all over again I would get the 300 WSM so I could have (almost) .300 Win Mag ballistics in a short action rifle.
I think your intelligence, knowledge and urbane verbal capacity make your show absolutely unique. I always feel better educated from all the above plus your experience. Keep at it, if not as frequent offerings. You make me wish I had you guide me several decades ago.
.325 WSM should have made more converts...but it just didn't happen
As Ron stated, the WSM cartridges have slightly larger cases and tend to shoot factory ammo slightly faster (one article says 50 - 60fps) than the RSAUM cartridges. It is important to note that in 2002, when they were introduced, laser rangefinders were still uncommon and hunters preferred lighter bullets and flatter trajectory to 500 yards over the heavier, higher BC bullets used today. Many factory loads were only 150 to 165 grains. The RSAUM's shorter case allows longer, higher-bc bullets in a typical short action (2.86" OAL), so it can catch up and pass the WSM at longer range. The RSAUM series also has the more modern "match-style" chamber with a length of closely-toleranced freebore that tend to align bullets better with the bore. This is used on virtually all recent cartridges because it tends to provide overall better accuracy and be less picky at to which loads shoot accurately. The 300 SAUM chamber design gains even more in a longer action since it allow the bullet to be loaded much farther out of the case, gaining back some powder capacity and putting the shank of the bullet into the tight freebore to help align the bullet, as is done with modern precision cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.8 Western, and the 6.5mm, 7mm, and 300 PRC cartridges.
FWIW, when Winchester updated the 270 WSM into the longer-ranged 6.8 Western, it changed the chamber geometry to one very similar to the SAUM series.
my best friend in high school in the late 60s hunted with a surplus K98. i'll tell you it hit elk pretty dang hard
I got custom 8 rem mag with 28 inch barrel those are very underrated
I often carried a Remington 700 in 8 mm Rem mag on my guide brown bear and Yukon moose hunts and loaded using Barns TSX 185 grain bullets it was just as deadly as a 340 Weatherby mag.
Where do you get your bullets from? I have a 8mm magnum custom barrel on a Browning synthetic x-bolt stock. Beautiful gun. Just wish I could find bullets for it
Mostly midway but I stocked up years ago before everything was so crazy
What a great talk
I hunted with a sporterized 8x57 in high school and loved it.
Nice to hear the 256 Newton mentioned. He was quite a guy. The other thing he designed for Savage was the 250 Savage, i am pretty sure. Named the 250-3000 because it was the first mass commercial cartridge to achieve 3000 fps (but only with an 87 gr bullet). See, marketing hype is nothing new. I enjoy learning about vintage cartridges that in many cases were ahead of their time. The 280 Ross comes to mind in the same breath as the 256.
I love the 8x57. Mine is the M48 Yugo Mauser. Got it in 2002 or 2003 i think, for 175. Very good condition, nice stock. I actually had that some years before i got an -06. Felt vaguely un-American. Lol. But i did already have 2 308's, a 30-30, and other stuff, so i was okay. Hard to beat, esp if u handload to its normal potential. Most factory ammo is downloaded in deference to old rifles and the . 318 bores that are still around. There is about half a thimble full of difference between it and -06 if you look at loading manuals. It is about as ubiquitous in Europe as the -06 is here. It always surprised me how many other countries used it as a military cartridge right after WW2, even in semiautos like the Hakim. I would think everybody would want to forget anything German. I guess that goes to show how good a cartridge it is.
The only domestic rifle i can think of ever chambered for it is the Rem 700 Classic, only for 1 year of course. Wouldn't mind having one in any number of chamberings. The 6.5x55 would be nice (circa 1993, i think), so it could also be loaded to full ballistics.
The lengthened 41 Mag is an interesting idea, similar to the 444 Marlin. Probably never happen, since we have the 444 and the 45-70. But it would be fun. Bullets up to 250 gr at good velocity. A friend of mine picked up a 6.5-06 a few months ago that has "ACKLEY" stamped on it. Not sure if Ackley built the rifle, or if it is an AI chamber. Don't think he has done any load development yet. Should be a good shooter though. Only wildcat i have is a 357 Herrett barrel for my Contender. Haven't done anything with it yet, but i plan some silhouette. I may get my 22 Hornet barrel reamed to K-Hornet at some point. Another wildcat that is interesting is 6.5 JDJ. Can't think of any wildcats in repeaters that i might want, but who knows. That is half the fun.
G.K.USA. I own 3 98k rifles and enjoy shooting theantm. I mounted a 3×9 scope on one of them using a cantilever mount. I did not want to alter the rifle in any way that would reduce it's value. I took the rifle to a 100 yard. Using Mitchell's Mausers match ammo, and Norma hot huntig loads. I shot the match ammo first. I shot.a 3 shot, 1" group. I could not bring myself to risk ruining the group by going for a 5 shot group. Then I tried the Norma 165 gr. Hunting load. I got another 1"group. 3 shots again. I still have that target after 19 years.
Get a Husqvarna 640 in 8x57. A truly great rifle
401 Winchester Self Loader, BOOM!
Some people are violently allergic to nickel. My wife is.
I'll be darned I've never heard of that allergy. I've seen kids get bad red ears from fake silver earrings. Maybe it's the nickel?
Deer is allergic too, i have seen it 🧐
LOL, glad ya got your shoulder back..lol
Hey Ron, I had a interesting experience with hornady leverevolution ammo in a marlin 336w back in 2014. I shot a deer in the spine high and the gun wouldn't cycle through the next round... the deer suffered for some minutes before I got it freed up. Later I was able to replicate what had happened... the fort tip had wedged between the rim of the round in front and the magazine tube wall and bound er up so tight that the cartridge wouldn't pull out of the tube and the lifter was hung in place. All in all it was a real mess so I switched to old fashioned flat nose and never had that problem again. I do owe something to that experience though because I started playing with reloading the flat nose stuff afterwards and now I reload for many, many different guns and cartridges.
Hi Ron, the concern for nickel fouling might be its chemical resistance. Acid that destroys nickel will also destroy steel. Probably still not worth thinking about
Dan Wesson came up with a stretched .41 mag they called the .414 Supermag.
Hi there Ron. Like your content thanx a mil. On the 8x68a, bit of useless info, we did a chrono test with the powder we get here is South Africa, somchem S365 being a slow burner for the stuff like 338WM ect and we got a respectable 2940fps on a 26in barrel with a 180gr RWS bullet. So u can do the math on that energy. Pretty underestimated cartridge but damn a great gun. So it stacks up well with a 300WM.
Thanks again for the videos. Always greatly!
I see the 6×68 keeps getting compared to the 300 win mag but instead should be compared to the 8mm rem mag and the 325WSM, the 8mm rem mag and the 8mm × 68 have more power because of powder capacity and the 7mm STW came from the 8mm rem mag but my favorite is the 325WSM because of it's efficiency and I have most of the other one's as well one doesn't kill any faster than the other. Aim small good hunting,GOD bless.
You want to see a slick 325 WSM rifle I build to sell AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM cartridges and have then also in 375 WSM AR 10 uppers
You once made a video on the JP Sauer 100. They make the rifle chambered in 8x57mm mauser.
The civil replacement for the 8x57 was the 8x60. Both the 8x64 and 8x68 are a bit older. Brenneke did the 8X64 in the first world war and RWS did the 8x68 and 6.5x68 in the 1930ties. The 8x68 has only been available in the S version 0.323 bullets.
The 8x68 nearly matches the 8 mm Rem. Magnum in performance, especially with heavy bullets, with a quite a bit smaller case capacity.
So because of our tough East Coast whitetail deer the West Coast at least got some type of deer that was not there before. Yes our white tails are pretty frisky but we will accept a big thank you from all you West Coasters.
The Remington tubular magazines were made to set each bullet point off of the primer. You do not need polymer for them.
Winchester silver tip 64gr 223 has a nickel plated jacket with a black polymer tip seated in normal brass. It is a great contrast to copper seated into nickel brass.
Spire points CAN ignite a primer in the tube. Have actually seen it happen. Neighbor loaded his lever with spire points. Swore he'd done it for years. What he was actually doing was loading three and chambering one - i.e. only two in the tube. His reasoning was that's all he needed because if he'd missed twice, he didn't need to keep wasting ammo. One day, don't know why, but one day he fully loaded up. First shot and the tube exploded. He survived with all his body parts, but spent some time in the hospital. Very, very memorable for me as a second grader. So, "pooh-poohers" aside, it REALLY is a possibility with spire points. I've seen it.
For 40 caliber, you have the old 38-40 WCF, which is a 401 diameter bullet. Doesn't utilize 50K psi, but it exists, and just like the 44-40, was once considered a good deer cartridge within its range limits.
Steve's question is valid. For the cases, the only real disadvantage is fewer reloads. The nickel makes the cases a bit harder, and you will get split necks sooner than all brass. Underwood claims a better plating process which "fixes" that, but I don't know about that part. As for the bullets themselves, again valid. Federal has come out with their "Punch" series of calibers, and the BULLETS are also nickel plated. Performance is quite good, so this might catch on. However, what Steve is probably thinking of is the old "cupronickel" bullets, which DID, indeed, foul barrels. That's why things switched to guilding metal jackets. Still, those were mostly copper, so any copper removing cleaning method works. Don't know about Federal's nickel bullets, but they are different from the old cupronickel.
Ron, Remington chambered a 700 in 8mm . I saw one I didn't have enough cash on me at the time I regret not putting it on plastic. I did use an old Czech 98/22 hunting on a South Dakota West River deer hunt in Lyman county. I was fortunate to harvest a mature whitetail doe. There were two other hunters that seen me shoot this old Mil Surpl with open sights they couldn't believe it.
Ron when do you gonna talk about the 8,5x55 blaser?
Ron! You are wrong! Or close... I may be alone, but I'm interested in cartridges I've never heard of like the 2 56 Newton. Pull it into the mix and maybe someone will be interested in resurrecting it! Good show!
That chain reaction explosion has also happened with some 12ga shotgun slugs that had a pointy tip that protruded past the shell. They have been discontinued.
I've got an 8mm K98 from 1944 that was my grandfather's. It has all matching serial numbers but (unfortunately) was sporterized a long time ago.
I've never harvested a deer with it, but many, many feral hogs.
Me, too. Mine was sporterized while they were still $49.95 in hardware stores. I've killed many feral hogs with mine. My grandfather bought it right after the war. He said he paid $12.00 for it.
We have plenty of Muleys in central British Columbia. I drilled one through lengthwise with my 8mm-06 this fall. Unfortunately the aggressive Whitetails push them out of some areas. They're both good eating!
We have a special sub species of white tail deer in Oregon. Called Colombian whitetail
Ah yes, really high up the mountain.
Then there are a few wildcats, all on 06 brass,8mmo6,the ackley imp,then 8mm gibbs which i have,a very potent cart but most difficultcult to fire form,thank you very much for your videos
Dave try the 416 Barnes its the wildcat based on a 45-70 brass 17:47
Hi Ron, big fan of your work have been addicted to these videos, very educational. Om from Victoria, Australia and I know you’ve done some travelling for your hunts. What I’m wondering is have you hunted the big old Sambar deer that we mainly have here in Victoria. If so would love to hear your general thoughts. Thankyou!
*Easiest way to add length of pull for keeping thumb out of nose...... slip on or lace on recoil pads. The doubled up recoil pad system will feel different...and allow more compression of the rubber which allows more scope and rifle action travel to rear & toward eyebrow. So, with your magnums...scope to face can be a real possibility. Softer felt recoil with extra thick recoil pads... allows a longer recoil stroke... Thus, scope to face might happen. Keep that in mind when choosing iron sights or scope. Longer eye relief to keep the scope out of your head.... might be a good idea.*
Ron, if you'd like to aswage the 8mil fellas, may I suggest covering the Remington 8mm magnum? Seems like a nice 8mm big game cartridge that never took off. It has some solid numbers behind it.
Edit: looks like you did cover it.
Right, the big 8 was, or had the potential, to be a great cartridge. Sure it had a limited market back in 1978 (?) when it hit the market. I think Remington missed the market by only offering a 180gr and 220gr bullets. With a heavier bullet, 240gr-260gr, it would've smoked the 338 Win and hung with the 340 Weatherby. Sadly it's another case of Big Green getting bored with a fine cartridge and allowing it to whither on the vine.
Two subspecies of white-tailed deer are found in Oregon. There are populations of the Columbian white-tailed deer in the Umpqua River
Basin near Roseburg and on a series of Columbia River islands in Oregon and Washington, and on the Oregon
and Washington mainlands along the lower Columbia River. The other whitetail in Oregon is the Northwest whitetail that are found in Northeastern Oregon, particularly in Union, Wallowa, and Umatilla counties. These also occasionally interbreed with Mule Deer.
A forgotten cartridge in Europa is 8X64 between 30.06 and 35 Whelen ..
I bought an M48 Mauser for $190.00 at a gun show. Looked to be an unissued rifle. I was wanting a K98 but I bought the M48 because it was available. One of the nicest shooting rifles I've had the pleasure to to shoot. I've shot very tight 5 shot groups with 147gr , 196gr Surplus and lellier& bellot 196gr hunting ammo. Evert part was machined and the numbers match. I never imagined this gun would be such a great experience. With newer bullet designs, who knows what it is capable of ?
I also have a numbers matching m48. Receiver machining is a bit rough but action is still pretty slick. Shoots lik we a house afire!
That's a steal nowadays for a clean M48. I paid that much for mine and it is not pretty. The Turks loaded 8mm pretty hot when those rifles were issued. It's been known to blow up machine guns. I'd wager some +p ammo would really wake up the cartridge if needed.
A number of years ago there was a picture of a tubular magazine rifle that the pointed bullets had detonated. I think it was a Winchester 94, I’m pretty sure it was the American Rifleman magazine. It definitely made an impression on me. I have a very clear remembrance of the picture in my mind’
I have found that missing prairie dogs with a pistol was more fun than long shooting with a rifle
Do you remember to include in the book 7x33 Sako??
It will surely be an interesting book...
My favorite bore
Hi Ron, the 8.68, is between the 300 win mag and the 338 lapua, you can see data at RWS
Not even close
The 8mm produces less energy then the 300 win mag 3900 ftlbs and less than a 338 win mag 4000 ftbs the 338 lapua produces 6609J or 4800 ftlbs
My goodness the 338 lapua is something else. Ha oh wow.
@@northerntier87 yeah 340 Weatherby territory for sure.
8x63 :3
I would definitely watch a video about the 256 newton
Reference the tube magazine, I heard that, at least one, European military using tube fed rifles near the end of the 19th century documented a problem with rounds going off in the tubes when the rifles were dropped or when the butt of the rifles were slammed on the ground during military drills. Not from recoil. I think I heard it mentioned on C&Rsenel?
Tula, sells bulk 223 rem in stell cases eith bimetal bullet jackets. (Can attrackt magnet) but looks nickle coated
I live in Germany and shoot my father-in-law's sporterized 8x57JS Mauser 98, and after decades of shooting .308 Win in the US, have come to really like the cartridge for boar, red deer, and roe deer. In fact, when my son obtained his German hunting license, we bought a modern Mauser M12 chambered for the same. We also have a Sauer & Sohn Drilling, which has two side-by side 16-gauge barrels up (one with a .22 Hornet insert), and a 7x57R under; this gun is a great all 'rounder.
40 caliber is probably the 2nd most popular bullet size for muzzleloaders. 40 caliber in a sabot is used for 45 cal smokepoles. There's at least some bullet development.
Federal’s website is really good for their ammo comparison
23:19
A buddy of mine put 4 rounds of .30-06 in an elk before it went down. This guy is a really good shot, too.
Apparently, a bull elk is just a stubborn guy.
I assure you that within 400 yards a 30/06 with a well placed and well constructed bullet is sufficient to take a bull elk. Some animals are more reluctant than others at being convinced they are in fact dead, that's all.
About the 8mm, maybe you'd be able to have some fellow european on the podcast for an interview or talk on here like recently with Hikhok45 or.the talk about bear cartridges. Any rambles with you I've seen so far have been always really entertaining!
The fact that length of pull changes with wearing more clothes like an insulated jacket ,,is one piece of knowledge that is only learned by experience,,if a man is less than six foot tall and has on a thick jacket he never would need more than 13 and a half inches of pull on a rifle.
That's called a bench buck and they are not only in Oregon lol they are all up and down the cascades
My 73-year-old dad called me up and wanted me to leave you a comment that the 9.3x57 and 8x57 Mauser aren't the same and can't share ammo. We're from the Black Hills (he said you used to live in SD) and he's a big fan of your show. It would make his day if you commented back! :) Thanks, Ron!
This caliber looks good for hunting in modern rifles.
the new cz 600 lux comes in 8x57 on the cz website , i haven't seen any in stores
Liberty Civil Defense pistol ammo is nickel coated copper projectile in a nickel case
.250-3000 was a Charles Newton cartridge.
I hope your book will have a chapter on 7mmeasterner!
I recall that a lot of bullets from the latter part of the 19th century & the early part of the 20th century were made with "Cupronickel" jackets (a Copper/Nickel Alloy?). But I believe they were replaced by pure Copper because barrel fouling became a problem as velocities increased. I would think that implies that Cupronickel is softer than pure Copper.
Ian from @forgottenweapons would be a great guest to interview on your main channel, he also has a publishing company (head stamp publishing ) that would be perfect for your upcoming book on 7 mm cartridges. He is a wealth of knowledge on historical firearms and would be a very interesting guest to interview.
As a side note, with the nickel plated bullets, the most recent one I can think of is the USMC's mk318 mod 1 cartridge, 5.56mm. the mod 0 version was a more traditional jacketed lead design whereas the mod 1 was a lead free version. The problem came when they had to be able to differentiate at a glance which cartridge was which. Most of the other colored tips were already taken so they decided to use a nickel color on the lead free version. I'm not sure if they simply plated or coated the bullets with a nickel finish or something else, but I do have a couple hundred rounds of this ammunition that was sold as surplus (after the project was canceled in favor of the m855 A1 cartridge developed by the army) and I have shot a good bit of it, not noticing any particular nickel fouling in the bore of my rifle. Thanks for all that you do, keep up the great work.
I hate to inform you but the 7mm and 8mm question was answered many years ago with the 7x57mm and 8x57mm😊
Hi Ron. Im looking at getting my first dear rifle i live in iowa so straight wall or a magnum. The options that I chose .350 legend or .44 mag. Which is better in your opinion? Thanks in advance Mike.
350 Legend. More range, more energy on target.