Give Callum a raise, I’ve watched 3 videos at this point and every time Callum has tricked me into believing all I needed to know in the first 5 minutes only to realize I had absolutely no idea of the scope of the story or how interesting it could be. Excellent job Callum, and excellent job Simon!
Callus is amazing but now my fav is George, its hard to compete with his dedication to each script with him getting completely new first hand accounts and interviews.
I think the phrase you were thinking of was: "In the US, 100 years is a long time but in the UK, 100 miles is a long distance". You were close, but no banana.
@@badluck5647 We still use miles to measure distance in the UK, unlike the rest of Europe. As a nation we tend to resist modernization quite fervently.
Combine the first responder reports (Doris in hysterics that she killed her friend + the probable first impact location) and you end up with a VERY nasty conclusion: Doris didn't recognize him from the driver seat of the car. She thought she had just hit some random bystander, and decided to take her frustrations out on him and floored it. She likely only recognized him after getting out of the car.
I drove a tow truck for a while in my life.... I have seen how money can avoid legal issues several times. One incident I remember: A local debutant drove her 80K$ car into a retention pond while drunk off her ass, but because this was private property the state and local police, that were called could do nothing. If this had been anyone outside the wealthy families of the area the story would have ended in jail, I know because a week later I pulled another car out of the same retention pond owned by a local waiter and he went straight to jail, no questions asked.
PS. Ending was EPIC! Mysterious Irish butler nurses his billionaire madam into a fancy handbag of ashes, throws her into the sea and inherits the lot. 😂 You could not script a more fantastic ending.
Personally I would skip that video. I'm in my 50's and have seen about all that can be seen or learned about this gruesome, violent group. From just about every angle possible. For those of you a good deal younger, I think you all would enjoy it.
Yes. Even though I lived in Ca when that happened, I think younger people would enjoy it. It dominated the news. So I’ve seen enough of them besides the movie Helter Skelter they used to play everytime Charlie was up for parole.
To quote Daryl Hall "You're a rich girl, but you're going to far but you know it don't matter anyway! You can rely on the old man's money! You can rely on the old man's money!"
The Duke family endowed a local North Carolina college with a ton of money. In the end, Duke University became world renowned. Doris Duke kept her family's favorite university in the custom it was used to in life and bequests after her death.
Simon, this was an awesome episode. I remember when the butler appeared to run off with millions after Duke died. PLEASE create a Biographics for Porfirio Rubirosa, that BDE was infamous and his association with movie stars and dictators is fascinating. In some very high end restaurants in Latin America large pepper grinders are referred to as "Rubirosas" for um...obvious reasons. He's worthy of an episode for certain.
Falcon's Lair was originally the home of silent star Rudolph Valentino. Doris renovated it without permission of the Hollywood Historical Society. It's since been demolished as nobody has the money to restore it and the land is worth a lot.
Oh that’s sad that it was demolished. It seems such a shame especially if it was part of the Hollywood Historical Society. It has not only the history of being Rudolph Valentino’s house but then Doris Duke’s. Falcon’s Lair then has the history of what happened when she lived there. You think some rich person could have stepped in to help restore it. I’m sure they could have turned it into a museum or a tourist attraction and had tours. I’m sure they would have been able to recoup their money. I guess now it’s just another amazing historical home lost to time. I wonder if they are doing anything with the land now since you implied it’s so valuable.
When Doris Duke was a child, her beloved father warned her that no man would ever love her for herself, but only for her vast fortune. This is a toxic seed to plant in the mind of a little girl. Duke was haunted by insecurity and a search for love throughout her life. Her first husband, James Cromwell, asked Doris on their wedding night what his allowance would be. So Doris' father's prophecy came true and her first marriage was unhappy. The death of her only child, Arden, hours after her birth traumatized Duke for life. In the 70's Duke adopted twentysomething Chandi Hefner believing she was a reincarnation of her baby daughter, Arden. Duke showered money on Hefner and Hefner spent lavishly. Tirella was a close friend until he decided to start a career in Hollywood. Duke didn't take this news well and she decided that if she couldn't have Tirella, nobody could. So his death was a set up by Duke and in no way an accident.
Danny, Sam, Kallum and the rest are just Simons "other" personalities. It's like trying to follow Fight Club. Tyler Durden, Marla Singer, Bob, and the Narrator. Who's real, and who's another personality. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤣😅😆😂
The thing that keeps getting me is that the only instance of Duke being violent was against an abuser and may very well have been in self defense which seems likely given that Castro later broke her jaw. If Doris Duke had been the murdering type I don't think he would've long outlived that episode but presumably he did.
You might be surprised at what may or may not cause someone to snap. The abuse could have been a big part of the weight, but a perceived 'betrayal' by her only real friend could have been the last straw. Allegedly.
Only reason I heard about her, besides the fact Duke University is named after her father, was the HBO movie starring Susan Sarandon & Ralph Fiennes. There was a scandal around her death bc her butler was named as a major heir to her estate and supposedly had something to do with her death. Edit: Btw, Falcon Lair was silent movie star Rudolph Valentino’s Beverly Hills mansion. He named it bc of his movies or something. Doris just kept the name.
Doris Duke was pretty well known in the U.S. during her lifetime. Her activities as a socialite and an extremely rich person did get more attention than her suspected crimes.
Yeah like I just commented I knew a good deal about her but had never heard of this. I guess it just shows her lawyer did a fine job with helping cover this up. I’m not saying she was a saint or that she may not have committed this crime but I do think there’s a lot more to her. I feel she was a very misunderstood person.
@@bayonetababe9697 Think its so obvious she committed the crime. nypost.com/2021/03/20/how-doris-duke-got-away-with-murdering-her-best-friend/ She also had previously stabbed her ex boyfriend. So you could tell already shes is an evil person
As a native of Newport, this story was constantly passed around as a kid. i used to do catering and the whole night we were at Rough Point, all we did was talk about the murder
19:10 SIMON! I'm honestly deeply surprised about this one. You deal with history content ALL THE TIME! The Duke is someone whose music you'd almost certainly recognize.
Indeed, Victoria! Duke Ellington (w/ Billy Strayhorn) comprise, in my not so humble opinion, two of the greatest jazz personalities of the twentieth-century. Not only a brilliant conductor, he played the piano, & with Strayhorn composed some of the most memorable and wondrous jazz tunes such as : "It Don't Mean a Thing", "Mood Indigo", "Stormy Weather", "Take the A Train", "Black & Tan Fantasy", "Caravan" & many, many others. I find it unfathomable that Simon is unaware of this musical genius! Next, Simon will claim ignorance to whom Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman or Harry James were, in terms of Big Band & Jazz! Charlie who? Charlie Parker -- did he raise chickens, since his nickname was "Bird"?
@@frankkouwenhoven9444 just googled, to my surprise xRubySky wins. You're the smallest of us. I'm in Austria. We're twice your size according to Google. 8 thought we're way smaller 😂🇦🇹but you guys have a larger population. We've got too many mountains. Switzerland you're the smallest in size and population 😂
This can be his new channel where viewers send in their personal ghost/scary stories and he reads them while making fun of them and hating on the lottery.
This is my first episode of The Casual Criminalist after absolutely loving Biographics and Geographics, and I'm howling at Simon's commentary as he reads this. Especially about the butler. 10/10. 😂
You might be interested in an American tv movie where Doris Duke was played by Lauren Bacall and Richard Chamberlain played Doris' butler who tried to take over her life and tried to swindle her. That is another aspect of her strange life. She kept her fortune where Barbara Hutton , spent her fortune. That would make an interesting subject in her series.
Great podcast - true crime sprinkled with a dash of dark humor and snark. I have a couple of comments. When Simon observed that the missing investigative files seems odd, I have to agree. Records from that time would be stored and indexed, either in original hardcopy form or microfilmed. That was SOP everywhere at the time. I can't say what the SOP was in Rhode Island but it was when I was a student intern at the Florida Highway Patrol in the early 1970's and I would assume the same would hold true for Rhode Island, that a detailed extensive homicide investigation be conducted by either State or Local Police, including diagrams of the scene, photos of the vehicle and body (if still at the scene as it should have been in this case) and precise measurements of the location of all evidence including acceleration, scuffing, and breaking marks. I would think that since it was determined that Tirella was dead at the scene that the body should have been photographed before the car was lifted. The absence of that investigative material is a red-flag. I would like to know if the file that was provided by an anonymous source includes such a report because it would allow for the crash to be reconstructed with great accuracy. Was there a rush to exonerate Ms. Duke? It certainly seems so to me.
Doris Duke's lifestyle was larger than life and covered in all the gossip and celebrity columns. She was also a world-known philanthropist and besties with Jacqueline Kennedy. 🤷🏻♀️
Lol - no you're not. the only engineer that didn't get his clothes covered in shit and dirt under his fingernails was I.K.Brunell and unlike computer engineers his creations lasted longer than a fortnight. ;)
I still remember the movie Bernard and Doris about her and her butler - the butler being played by Voldemort himself... Ralph Fiennes. Doris Duke played by Susan Sarandon (she was fabulous).
Allegedly, Simon houses some of his writers in a radiator having basement, although the working status of said radiator is unknown. Charles was working as of last year but his current location is unknown. Simon is very sketchy about details of his staff more often than not.
@@melindoranightsilver9298 Stockholm Syndrom is strong He told Danny and Sam about covid and that they're only safe in the basement where ETA protects them.
Don't fret.. there are still little people, who, according to some, are _magical._ I won't suggest you go grab a midget & hold him/her hostage until they grant your wish. You're supposed to feed them a fruit roll up & rub their belly.
wait a minute... Doris "Duke"? Accelerating car expecting friend to dive in through the window? Damn! This was the Dukes of Hazzard Prequel! They just didn't know it.
I read about Doris Duke and Barbara Hutton. They had an ongoing feud for years. Doris was described as awkward, tall and not pretty but smart and She knew how to manage her money. ( She didn’t die penniless) Barbara Hutton was described as very pretty and extravagant, she wasted her money on men. extravagant tasteful things and buying friendships. Doris was jealous of Barbras’s looks and did not like her long chin so she spent money getting plastic surgery. They even competed for the same men. They both were married to the Dominican race car driver,; Robrirososa. Barbara dies with less than three thousand dollars in her bank account. She had a $60 million dollar trust fund and Doris had a $100 million dollar trust fund. It’s a very interesting story. Both women never found true love and took pills, booze and drugs to mask their pain, very sad.
This is the first "Podcast" that I'm watching on this channel, and unsurprisingly its great! Enjoying this because its kinda different format than the other channels.
Can we start calling you murderboy for brand consistency? Also, in America, you can totally refuse to answer questions. Its not a crime but a VERY bad look on you if you stay tight lipped after the lawyer gets involved.
eh idk about that, the magic words "I invoke my right to remain silent" is about all you should say to the police innocent or guilty if there focused on you in an investigation.
@@ChrisD4335 yeah, basically they have to prove not only that you know something critical. But that it's information unobtainable from other sources before it strays into obstruction territory.
No it doesn't look bad. It looks intelligent. Day 1 of law school they teach you "don't talk to the police" bc the cops in the US are trained to lie. I don't know of anyone that looks bad for NOT talking to the police.
@@LSSYLondon if you actually read my comment. I mentioned after lawyers get involved and you still have nothing to say through them. Its suspect as fuck. Any jury would agree
This is crazy for me because, according to my grandma’s genealogy research, I’m related to her. Grandma never mentioned the whole getting away with murder thing.
@@grabble7605 yes there was. There was a witness and then there was also the autopsy which doesn’t match what she claimed happened. And she also stabbed her ex husband.
Also, Duke Ellington is NOT pop culture. He's an actual historical figure, rather than a top 40 hit maker. Yeah Simon, all the kids love that Duke Ellington. I think he's dating kylie... Or Kendall. One of them.
Quaaludes likely had a large impact on what happened, that and what type of transmission the vehicle had. She was used to being driven places, not driving and they were all on quaaludes at that time. She may have intended to reverse the vehicle, but instead went forward.
I love all your channels and this is a good one. Though I'm surprised by all the content you make and know virtually nothing. You're amazing lol keep it up you legend!
In Wisconsin, I had to drive 2.5 hours to buy jeans as a teen and order shoes via magazine from a store 6 hours away, then wait a month for them to arrive.
To make the thought of Doris Duke swinging by McDonalds in the1960s even more absurd...McDonalds had no inside dining at that time. You had to eat in your car. I remember those times fondly.
They had crime scene investigation . But the 60-70s were the birth of modern profiling and investigation . The show Mind hunter on Netflix gives you a good enough intro to how things were back then it was all just really starting to come together and become categorized and effective around then. That being said she very likely did some paying off and donations + great lawyers.
They say if you build a man a fire he will be warm for a night. If you set the man on fire he will be warm for the rest of his life. The end reminded me of this.
Listened to the first 3 episode( shorts included) on here before I found this on google podcasts. Binged the rest at work today. Cant wait for new episodes! Id like to hear one of these on Fred West. You know the one.
This channel is off to a wonderful start. I appreciate Simon doesn't smoke, but this video would look great in black and white, Simon wreathed in smoke with a glass of cheap Scotch, and a soundtrack consisting entirely of sax.
I never thought I'd see the day that you didn't know about something! You definitely need to look up Duke Ellington - a really great jazz musician, band leader and composer. I loved this story as I lived in RI for decades, but I got to tell you - RI didn't necessarily need as much money as Miss Duke had to keep something under wraps. RI is not exactly known as a scrupulous place to do business. If you want a job, who you know is more advantageous than what you know. In Doris' day the mafia operated in Providence, too. I don't think they are a presence now as they were then. Of course, who would believe that they were ever truly gone?
I think it's worthwhile doing all the crime "classics" so that they are in the catalogue for anyone casually browsing for crime stuff. Hopefully they'll find the episode as engaging as all the others and join "The Casual Club".... And then go discover Business Blaze! Ba Da Ba Boom!!
After the historic peeing out of a window analogy I thought Simon's sentence "well it's history and I guess everybody " was going to end with "well it's history and I guess everybody has peed out a window" 🤣🤣🤣
@@marykayklim2563 I want to move back to New Jersey so bad Minnesota just isn’t for me anymore. The winters here are to cold for me and I miss my family out there. I grew up over by valley road moved to Minnesota back in 2009 . I heard her “adopted “ daughter and the butler killed her but I’m not sure how true that it . My oldest sister has a spot in the community garden over in duke’s .
@@kellymullen8265 The butler managed to get Doris to dis-inherit the adopted daughter. She still got millions.. She was a grifter who manged to convince Doris that she was the reincarnation of the daughter that she miscarried. I have no doubt that LAfferty hastened her demise. But, he got his in the end too. It's sad that there was so much pain w/ all that money too. Glad your sister has a spot in the garden. Duke Farms (wildlife trails, etc) is very nice to visit. IT would have been nicer if they would have left er pride and joy gardens intact. The "Board of the duke foundation said it would cost too much to mix and maintain. Hey! When you have billions of $$s, I think they could have managed it. Just my 2 cents.
@@marykayklim2563 I totally agree . I remember when I lived in New Jersey the first time the gravel road going down duke’s . I also got to take a tour of dukes about 8 years ago. I also had a friend who’s dad worked on the dukes property. I went to Hillsborough high school and I remember hearing that before they named it Hillsborough high school that dorris wanted to have them name it after her
"....a grizzly sight...." every time I hear this I hope it will conclude with "...a grizzly!" It never does and I'm always disappointed. I know it won't and still I hope. One day I'll get it.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 I was making a joke. Specifically playing with how people pronounce the two words. Apparently that isn't as obvious as it should be. Thanks for ruining the joke. Next time you don't understand something try just moving on.
Uh Duke University, it used to be called Harvard College or something like that one of her family members gave some $$$ and changed the name to drum roll please to Duke University
Its original name was Trinity College, and it was in a more rural setting. Julian Carr and Washington Duke (James's father) gave Trinity a large plot of land in Durham, and several five- and six-figure donations, respectively, and the school moved to Durham. Then James gave it something like $40 million (in 1920s money) with the condition that it be renamed Duke.
In another video he said he didn't know what matzah bread was... People in the U.S. should be forced to listen to his videos, if for no other reason than it will teach us to appreciate our diversity!
The guy got out to open the gate, she was supposed to drive through it and he was to shut the gate after the car goes through. She was unfamiliar with the car- we all know that it takes a bit to get used to the gas and brakes in a different car that we are used to. I can see how that whole thing happened
The autopsy doesn’t match that fake store. He would have been dragged. He was only hurt from the waist up. Furthermore a 13 year older paper boy heard him screaming after the first hit. He then heard her car reve up and smash. he ran toward it and she told him he had better run away.
I just found your channel recently and so happy about it !! I’m a long time true crime follower but y’all put a fresh spin on it. I’m enjoying catching up on the previous cases you’ve covered. Much loved from Huntsville, Alabama, USA.
Give Callum a raise, I’ve watched 3 videos at this point and every time Callum has tricked me into believing all I needed to know in the first 5 minutes only to realize I had absolutely no idea of the scope of the story or how interesting it could be.
Excellent job Callum, and excellent job Simon!
I agree! Callum is one of the best writers, he’s so well researched and well spoken
Callus is amazing but now my fav is George, its hard to compete with his dedication to each script with him getting completely new first hand accounts and interviews.
I think the phrase you were thinking of was: "In the US, 100 years is a long time but in the UK, 100 miles is a long distance".
You were close, but no banana.
@Jacob Klein That absolutely is the saying, but I don't smoke so I've always used banana. I sometimes forget that it's my own variation haha.
It is wierd that an UK saying doesn't use the metric system.
@@badluck5647 We still use miles to measure distance in the UK, unlike the rest of Europe. As a nation we tend to resist modernization quite fervently.
@@thud13x I learn something new everyday
Same difference. No two people would say every word the same anyway.
Combine the first responder reports (Doris in hysterics that she killed her friend + the probable first impact location) and you end up with a VERY nasty conclusion: Doris didn't recognize him from the driver seat of the car. She thought she had just hit some random bystander, and decided to take her frustrations out on him and floored it. She likely only recognized him after getting out of the car.
This woman had estates the way Simon has CZcams channels 😂
I know right i don't even know how many youtube channels he host or has?
Nah... if you're comparing Doris Dukes quantity of estates to the numerous channels hosted/run by Simon Whistler, she'd be considered broke.
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They say money can't buy you happiness. But it CAN buy you a boat big enough to sail right up next to it.
I'd rather be unhappy with money then poor and unhapy.
@@dreasmom2789 Than, not then
@@sirandrelefaedelinoge tomato tometo
Money can buy a jet ski and who could be sad on a jet ski
I drove a tow truck for a while in my life....
I have seen how money can avoid legal issues several times.
One incident I remember:
A local debutant drove her 80K$ car into a retention pond while drunk off her ass, but because this was private property the state and local police, that were called could do nothing.
If this had been anyone outside the wealthy families of the area the story would have ended in jail, I know because a week later I pulled another car out of the same retention pond owned by a local waiter and he went straight to jail, no questions asked.
Yep.
“Simon everyone knows there’s 12 people on a football team”
Me, an American: *nods unconvincingly*
How many on a cricket team?
I was about to write "there is 11 on a football team that can play on each side"
In small schools they have eight man teams. Really they do.
Or five a side...
Me, who hates sports: *nods unconvincingly*
PS. Ending was EPIC! Mysterious Irish butler nurses his billionaire madam into a fancy handbag of ashes, throws her into the sea and inherits the lot. 😂 You could not script a more fantastic ending.
Actually.. it was pretty shtty. And her "trusted" butler died soon after. Good enough FOR him. As for all USERS.
Oh, man. Some of the phrasing on this channel is sublime. "Leaving every stone unturned" made me chuckle heartily. Well done, Simon and Callum.
I would love to hear the Manson murder story told in the smooth, velvety voice of Simon, with his pointed comments and barbs.
Anyone else?
I think I’m more excited about some Manson memes but yes please either way 🤣🤣
Definitly and do a WHERE ARE THEY NOW on the Manson family.
No.
Personally I would skip that video. I'm in my 50's and have seen about all that can be seen or learned about this gruesome, violent group. From just about every angle possible. For those of you a good deal younger, I think you all would enjoy it.
Yes. Even though I lived in Ca when that happened, I think younger people would enjoy it. It dominated the news. So I’ve seen enough of them besides the movie Helter Skelter they used to play everytime Charlie was up for parole.
To quote Daryl Hall "You're a rich girl, but you're going to far but you know it don't matter anyway! You can rely on the old man's money! You can rely on the old man's money!"
"We generally have a bad time"
Get your facts right fact boy, we have a good time, it's someone else having a bad time! 😂😂😂😂
when your poor, your "weird". when your rich, your "eccentric".
You're
Yeup. 😕
@@sandybarnes887 you're
*When
"When you're poor, you're crazy. When you're wealthy, you're eccentric" is the phrase.
The Duke family endowed a local North Carolina college with a ton of money. In the end, Duke University became world renowned. Doris Duke kept her family's favorite university in the custom it was used to in life and bequests after her death.
Simon, this was an awesome episode. I remember when the butler appeared to run off with millions after Duke died. PLEASE create a Biographics for Porfirio Rubirosa, that BDE was infamous and his association with movie stars and dictators is fascinating. In some very high end restaurants in Latin America large pepper grinders are referred to as "Rubirosas" for um...obvious reasons. He's worthy of an episode for certain.
11” long and as big around as a man’s wrist according to legend. He was only 5’9” tall and was also sterile as a result of mumps.
Ooof 🤤
Oh, Rubirosa would be a great post...he dated Eartha Kitt for a time
@@djquinn11 so the perfect man 😊🤣
@@nikkioshea4139 😂😂
I can't wait for this channel to completely devolve into memes and in jokes like business blaze
'Evolve - Starting with BDE aka Swag!
'The Cougar is a fallacy
Too sweet
... but definitely lifestyle is 'devolved
Yes please more blaze fact _boy!
Falcon's Lair was originally the home of silent star Rudolph Valentino. Doris renovated it without permission of the Hollywood Historical Society. It's since been demolished as nobody has the money to restore it and the land is worth a lot.
Oh that’s sad that it was demolished. It seems such a shame especially if it was part of the Hollywood Historical Society. It has not only the history of being Rudolph Valentino’s house but then Doris Duke’s. Falcon’s Lair then has the history of what happened when she lived there. You think some rich person could have stepped in to help restore it. I’m sure they could have turned it into a museum or a tourist attraction and had tours. I’m sure they would have been able to recoup their money. I guess now it’s just another amazing historical home lost to time. I wonder if they are doing anything with the land now since you implied it’s so valuable.
They also tore down her NJ estate. Sad. The gardens there were so beautiful
@@Kingfamilyfavorites The gardens were lovely!
When Doris Duke was a child, her beloved father warned her that no man would ever love her for herself, but only for her vast fortune. This is a toxic seed to plant in the mind of a little girl. Duke was haunted by insecurity and a search for love throughout her life. Her first husband, James Cromwell, asked Doris on their wedding night what his allowance would be. So Doris' father's prophecy came true and her first marriage was unhappy. The death of her only child, Arden, hours after her birth traumatized Duke for life. In the 70's Duke adopted twentysomething Chandi Hefner believing she was a reincarnation of her baby daughter, Arden. Duke showered money on Hefner and Hefner spent lavishly. Tirella was a close friend until he decided to start a career in Hollywood. Duke didn't take this news well and she decided that if she couldn't have Tirella, nobody could. So his death was a set up by Duke and in no way an accident.
I can tell we have read some of the same books.
Simon has friends....they're just in his basement...safe and secure...
Allegedly.
We don't want Danny and Sam to be lonely
Are they though or is he in their basement? He is in the same room on yet another channel after all...
@@jasa_TheRealOne upi
Danny, Sam, Kallum and the rest are just Simons "other" personalities. It's like trying to follow Fight Club. Tyler Durden, Marla Singer, Bob, and the Narrator. Who's real, and who's another personality. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤣😅😆😂
The thing that keeps getting me is that the only instance of Duke being violent was against an abuser and may very well have been in self defense which seems likely given that Castro later broke her jaw. If Doris Duke had been the murdering type I don't think he would've long outlived that episode but presumably he did.
You might be surprised at what may or may not cause someone to snap. The abuse could have been a big part of the weight, but a perceived 'betrayal' by her only real friend could have been the last straw. Allegedly.
Did you not catch the part where she released her German Shepards on tourists? Sounds rather violent to me.
Only reason I heard about her, besides the fact Duke University is named after her father, was the HBO movie starring Susan Sarandon & Ralph Fiennes. There was a scandal around her death bc her butler was named as a major heir to her estate and supposedly had something to do with her death.
Edit: Btw, Falcon Lair was silent movie star Rudolph Valentino’s Beverly Hills mansion. He named it bc of his movies or something. Doris just kept the name.
Doris Duke was pretty well known in the U.S. during her lifetime. Her activities as a socialite and an extremely rich person did get more attention than her suspected crimes.
Yeah like I just commented I knew a good deal about her but had never heard of this. I guess it just shows her lawyer did a fine job with helping cover this up. I’m not saying she was a saint or that she may not have committed this crime but I do think there’s a lot more to her. I feel she was a very misunderstood person.
@@bayonetababe9697 Think its so obvious she committed the crime.
nypost.com/2021/03/20/how-doris-duke-got-away-with-murdering-her-best-friend/
She also had previously stabbed her ex boyfriend. So you could tell already shes is an evil person
As a native of Newport, this story was constantly passed around as a kid. i used to do catering and the whole night we were at Rough Point, all we did was talk about the murder
19:10 SIMON! I'm honestly deeply surprised about this one. You deal with history content ALL THE TIME! The Duke is someone whose music you'd almost certainly recognize.
Indeed, Victoria! Duke Ellington (w/ Billy Strayhorn) comprise, in my not so humble opinion, two of the greatest jazz personalities of the twentieth-century.
Not only a brilliant conductor, he played the piano, & with Strayhorn composed some of the most memorable and wondrous jazz tunes such as :
"It Don't Mean a Thing", "Mood Indigo",
"Stormy Weather", "Take the A Train",
"Black & Tan Fantasy", "Caravan" & many, many others.
I find it unfathomable that Simon is unaware of this musical genius!
Next, Simon will claim ignorance to whom
Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman or Harry James were, in terms of Big Band & Jazz!
Charlie who? Charlie Parker -- did he raise chickens, since his nickname was
"Bird"?
Simon: "The UK is very small"
Me: Laughs in Switzerland
Me laughing in Dutch
@@frankkouwenhoven9444 just googled, to my surprise xRubySky wins. You're the smallest of us. I'm in Austria. We're twice your size according to Google. 8 thought we're way smaller 😂🇦🇹but you guys have a larger population. We've got too many mountains. Switzerland you're the smallest in size and population 😂
Liechtenstein, can't beat Liechtenstein
@@carouselofagony3276 right if you're from Lichtenstein you win 😂. Unkess!! We find someone from Monaco!
You can travel far in Switzerland. However, it will be vertically instead of horizontally.
'There's no such thing as magical wizards'
-a magical youtube wizard
I absolutely enjoy this team. The writing and commentary are the best!
I listen to this on spotify already, but will watch it here too . To give Simon his loveable watchtime :)
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Same 🤣
I really enjoy listening to the podcast, then later whenever it’s uploaded here watching it. You sort of get different things out of it.
@@--enyo-- Yep, the visuals . They help get you into the story
I came for the ramblings, I stay for the story
Also, Simon, what's your gamer tag so I stay away from you in gta
Probably BaldBoi
FactsBoi
Simon needs to do a Biographics video on the life of Duke Ellington. Surely a worthy subject?
Lol at first glance I saw the Duke of Ellington.
Spooky Simon's Mystery Time!
Such a missed naming opportunity
@@stevemillen_Realtor It's not too late! I am crusading for the name change.
This can be his new channel where viewers send in their personal ghost/scary stories and he reads them while making fun of them and hating on the lottery.
This is my first episode of The Casual Criminalist after absolutely loving Biographics and Geographics, and I'm howling at Simon's commentary as he reads this. Especially about the butler. 10/10. 😂
Fantastically interesting. Please do more podcasts like this! This story reinforces my commitment to be not rich and boring, and not murder anyone.
Ditto here.. I'm totally cool with being undernoticed & underfunded.
You might be interested in an American tv movie where Doris Duke was played by Lauren Bacall and Richard Chamberlain played Doris' butler who tried to take over her life and tried to swindle her. That is another aspect of her strange life. She kept her fortune where Barbara Hutton , spent her fortune. That would make an interesting subject in her series.
Richard Chamberlain was excellent in this movie.
Great podcast - true crime sprinkled with a dash of dark humor and snark.
I have a couple of comments. When Simon observed that the missing investigative files seems odd, I have to agree. Records from that time would be stored and indexed, either in original hardcopy form or microfilmed. That was SOP everywhere at the time. I can't say what the SOP was in Rhode Island but it was when I was a student intern at the Florida Highway Patrol in the early 1970's and I would assume the same would hold true for Rhode Island, that a detailed extensive homicide investigation be conducted by either State or Local Police, including diagrams of the scene, photos of the vehicle and body (if still at the scene as it should have been in this case) and precise measurements of the location of all evidence including acceleration, scuffing, and breaking marks. I would think that since it was determined that Tirella was dead at the scene that the body should have been photographed before the car was lifted. The absence of that investigative material is a red-flag. I would like to know if the file that was provided by an anonymous source includes such a report because it would allow for the crash to be reconstructed with great accuracy.
Was there a rush to exonerate Ms. Duke? It certainly seems so to me.
Well rounded American here (buh da bum bum tsssss) and I've never heard of this person or these events before.
Me either. The super elite rich people aren't on my radar.
Same here.
Doris Duke's lifestyle was larger than life and covered in all the gossip and celebrity columns. She was also a world-known philanthropist and besties with Jacqueline Kennedy. 🤷🏻♀️
Go watch Bernard and Doris... it's a very fun movie.
@@surlygirly1926 : She was also known to have many, many sexual partners.
I'll have you know I am a certified magical wizard ~ oh wait,
I'm an electrical and computer engineer; I think that is the same thing.
Lol - no you're not. the only engineer that didn't get his clothes covered in shit and dirt under his fingernails was I.K.Brunell and unlike computer engineers his creations lasted longer than a fortnight. ;)
It is the same thing
@@aleksandralempart8305 Yeah, computer engineer are like wizards... you can never find one that actually can do what he claims.
"In the US, a hundred years is a long time. In the UK, a hundred miles is a long way." I think that's how it goes
I still remember the movie Bernard and Doris about her and her butler - the butler being played by Voldemort himself... Ralph Fiennes. Doris Duke played by Susan Sarandon (she was fabulous).
I’ve never heard of this movie but it sounds great. It obviously has an awesome cast. I will definitely have to try and find this one.
Ooh
I saw it too. Love Susan Sarandon.
And she was terrific, of course.
“There is no such thing as magic wizards” while looking like Harry Potters older muggle brother. Love your videos!
Simon wears shirts so well. I'm jealous.
Yep, shirts make terrible underpants.
Seriously is callum in the basement
Allegedly, Simon houses some of his writers in a radiator having basement, although the working status of said radiator is unknown. Charles was working as of last year but his current location is unknown. Simon is very sketchy about details of his staff more often than not.
@@andiward7068 are you working for Danny
@Benjamin Russell is Sam nothing to you? And ETA? Danny is making the basement 5g proof for ETA
@@stephjovi Is he though? I would imagine Simin would restrict what Danny is allowed to have. Can't risk an escape attempt after all.
@@melindoranightsilver9298 Stockholm Syndrom is strong
He told Danny and Sam about covid and that they're only safe in the basement where ETA protects them.
Captain cocaine says don't do drugs |:
Allegedly! ;)
Ok, just got recommend this channel on 5/3/21... CZcams hates to recommend great creators. I now must binge watch this content the next couple of days
Simon: There are no such thing as magical wizards.
D&D wizard player: I CAST FIREBALL!!
I would love to hear your take on some historical murder mysteries like the Amy Dudley case for example
Simon: Doesn't know who Duke Ellington was.
Me: apoplectic shock. 🙄
Yah. I had the same reaction.
But we do know that has watched human centipede... Is like to think he's a well versed man because of that.
>Mentions Rhode Island
5 seconds later: "The UK Is really really small"......
Come to RI some time lol
Simon: The UK is very very small
Me: *laughs nervously in 60 km Caribbean island*
Callum has way tooooo much fun writing these!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤗🤗
Duke Ellington was an amazing musician.
Not knowing who Duke Ellington is ... isn't that the musical equivalent of not knowing who Babe Ruth is?
On par with, yup, lol. Don't discount history in any field. Duke, Satchmo, etc., all paved the way for much of today's music.
Master Simon, SHAME ON YOU for not knowing who Duke Ellington was. He is a TRUE ICONIC LEGEND‼️‼️‼️🥺🥺🥺
I’m from the uk and I only know who he is after looking him up when his ghost appeared on the Netflix show big mouth 👌🏿🤣
Please continue making more of these.
And cover the Manson murders because we all need Simon to discuss here too
"There's no such thing as Magic Wizards"
To my everlasting sorrow.
Though there is a such thing as the Magic going against the Wizards says the NBA :)
Don't fret.. there are still little people, who, according to some, are _magical._
I won't suggest you go grab a midget & hold him/her hostage until they grant your wish.
You're supposed to feed them a fruit roll up & rub their belly.
wait a minute... Doris "Duke"? Accelerating car expecting friend to dive in through the window? Damn! This was the Dukes of Hazzard Prequel! They just didn't know it.
Love love love this show and all your other shows. One tiny suggestion, maybe no flashing lights during the portrait title cards. Thank you
English sarcasm at its finest. Thank you..... I really enjoy your well-researched stories and the commentary
Even stories like the Manson story, that have been done a lot, will still be well worth a listen with Simon telling them.
Butler whispers in her ear "The Tirelli's send their regards"
I read about Doris Duke and Barbara Hutton. They had an ongoing feud for years. Doris was described as awkward, tall and not pretty but smart and She knew how to manage her money. ( She didn’t die penniless) Barbara Hutton was described as very pretty and extravagant, she wasted her money on men. extravagant tasteful things and buying friendships. Doris was jealous of Barbras’s looks and did not like her long chin so she spent money getting plastic surgery. They even competed for the same men. They both were married to the Dominican race car driver,; Robrirososa. Barbara dies with less than three thousand dollars in her bank account. She had a $60 million dollar trust fund and Doris had a $100 million dollar trust fund. It’s a very interesting story. Both women never found true love and took pills, booze and drugs to mask their pain, very sad.
Officially my 2nd-favorite Simon Whistler channel!
"There is no magical wizards..." pretty cheeky for someone from the place Hogwarts is located.
This is the first "Podcast" that I'm watching on this channel, and unsurprisingly its great!
Enjoying this because its kinda different format than the other channels.
Can we start calling you murderboy for brand consistency? Also, in America, you can totally refuse to answer questions. Its not a crime but a VERY bad look on you if you stay tight lipped after the lawyer gets involved.
eh idk about that, the magic words "I invoke my right to remain silent" is about all you should say to the police innocent or guilty if there focused on you in an investigation.
@@ChrisD4335 yeah, basically they have to prove not only that you know something critical. But that it's information unobtainable from other sources before it strays into obstruction territory.
No it doesn't look bad. It looks intelligent. Day 1 of law school they teach you "don't talk to the police" bc the cops in the US are trained to lie. I don't know of anyone that looks bad for NOT talking to the police.
@@LSSYLondon if you actually read my comment. I mentioned after lawyers get involved and you still have nothing to say through them. Its suspect as fuck. Any jury would agree
@@carouselofagony3276 any jury would agree that it looks suspect af but not that it proves your guilt without reasonable doubt 🤣🤣
This is crazy for me because, according to my grandma’s genealogy research, I’m related to her. Grandma never mentioned the whole getting away with murder thing.
There was no murder.
@@grabble7605 yes there was. There was a witness and then there was also the autopsy which doesn’t match what she claimed happened. And she also stabbed her ex husband.
Also, Duke Ellington is NOT pop culture. He's an actual historical figure, rather than a top 40 hit maker. Yeah Simon, all the kids love that Duke Ellington. I think he's dating kylie... Or Kendall. One of them.
I think he's both.
Quaaludes likely had a large impact on what happened, that and what type of transmission the vehicle had. She was used to being driven places, not driving and they were all on quaaludes at that time. She may have intended to reverse the vehicle, but instead went forward.
It's almost akin to how Anton Yelchin died.
Simons next channell: Allegedly; a biographics/infographics type show in the buisness blaze style on people currently in society
I'm buying a house tomorrow. Now I'm calling it Falcon Lair.
You don’t know who Duke Ellington was?!?!?! Check out his music. It’s amazing!
Sometimes, Simon has weird issues with basic cultural knowledge.
It's maybe the fifth or seventh time I've caught such a "glitch" in his matrix.
this is literally my favorite channel of yours now
I love all your channels and this is a good one. Though I'm surprised by all the content you make and know virtually nothing. You're amazing lol keep it up you legend!
And Simon, you haven't lost your voice yet.
I visited a major museum in Hawaii, where every other item said "donated by Doris Duke" or "from the estate of Doris Duke". What a generous person.
In the US, 200 years is a long time; in Europe, 2 hours is a long drive.
In Wisconsin, I had to drive 2.5 hours to buy jeans as a teen and order shoes via magazine from a store 6 hours away, then wait a month for them to arrive.
"cash-induced amnesia" may well be the very finest phrase that Callum has coined. bravo, sir.
Damn Simon you got me hook on another one of your channels. Good Shit.
To make the thought of Doris Duke swinging by McDonalds in the1960s even more absurd...McDonalds had no inside dining at that time. You had to eat in your car. I remember those times fondly.
Biographics- needs a video on Duke Ellington
Doris Duke? Duke Ellington? Anyone else see a pattern here? /s
How can you not know Duke Ellington? I mean has it not popped up in Biographics? I smell a new episode
They had crime scene investigation . But the 60-70s were the birth of modern profiling and investigation . The show Mind hunter on Netflix gives you a good enough intro to how things were back then it was all just really starting to come together and become categorized and effective around then. That being said she very likely did some paying off and donations + great lawyers.
They say if you build a man a fire he will be warm for a night. If you set the man on fire he will be warm for the rest of his life.
The end reminded me of this.
Listened to the first 3 episode( shorts included) on here before I found this on google podcasts. Binged the rest at work today.
Cant wait for new episodes!
Id like to hear one of these on Fred West. You know the one.
This channel is off to a wonderful start. I appreciate Simon doesn't smoke, but this video would look great in black and white, Simon wreathed in smoke with a glass of cheap Scotch, and a soundtrack consisting entirely of sax.
I'm American and I've never heard of Doris Duke. Daisy Duke? Yes. Doris? Not so much. 🤔
Or Doris Day-slightly older reference.
But i'm sure you heard about the Duke University because it ha sa connection to her family.
How old are you?
Daisy has better legs and shorter shorts....
Patty Duke
Love your channel! Bringing light-heartedness to very serious matters without being crass! Awesomeness
I never thought I'd see the day that you didn't know about something! You definitely need to look up Duke Ellington - a really great jazz musician, band leader and composer. I loved this story as I lived in RI for decades, but I got to tell you - RI didn't necessarily need as much money as Miss Duke had to keep something under wraps. RI is not exactly known as a scrupulous place to do business. If you want a job, who you know is more advantageous than what you know. In Doris' day the mafia operated in Providence, too. I don't think they are a presence now as they were then. Of course, who would believe that they were ever truly gone?
Simon: The UK is very small
Me: Laughs in Dutch
I think it's worthwhile doing all the crime "classics" so that they are in the catalogue for anyone casually browsing for crime stuff. Hopefully they'll find the episode as engaging as all the others and join "The Casual Club".... And then go discover Business Blaze! Ba Da Ba Boom!!
After the historic peeing out of a window analogy I thought Simon's sentence
"well it's history and I guess everybody " was going to end with
"well it's history and I guess everybody has peed out a window"
🤣🤣🤣
I’ve been to her estate in Hillsborough New Jersey. It’s beautiful and it was basically my backyard growing up
Unfortunately, they tore it all out. I remember enjoying the tour of the estate and the gardens. Hi neighbor!
@@marykayklim2563 I want to move back to New Jersey so bad Minnesota just isn’t for me anymore. The winters here are to cold for me and I miss my family out there. I grew up over by valley road moved to Minnesota back in 2009 . I heard her “adopted “ daughter and the butler killed her but I’m not sure how true that it . My oldest sister has a spot in the community garden over in duke’s .
@@kellymullen8265 The butler managed to get Doris to dis-inherit the adopted daughter. She still got millions.. She was a grifter who manged to convince Doris that she was the reincarnation of the daughter that she miscarried. I have no doubt that LAfferty hastened her demise. But, he got his in the end too. It's sad that there was so much pain w/ all that money too.
Glad your sister has a spot in the garden. Duke Farms (wildlife trails, etc) is very nice to visit. IT would have been nicer if they would have left er pride and joy gardens intact. The "Board of the duke foundation said it would cost too much to mix and maintain. Hey! When you have billions of $$s, I think they could have managed it.
Just my 2 cents.
@@marykayklim2563 I totally agree . I remember when I lived in New Jersey the first time the gravel road going down duke’s . I also got to take a tour of dukes about 8 years ago. I also had a friend who’s dad worked on the dukes property. I went to Hillsborough high school and I remember hearing that before they named it Hillsborough high school that dorris wanted to have them name it after her
When I was a kid in the 1980's, I remember hearing about the Doris Duke Charitable foundation on PBS, that's the extent of my knowledge about her.
Have you guys looked into and thought about doing an eps of Betty Page? Anyways, totally digging the show! Keep it up.
Bailey Sarian did 👀
dude. the writing in your work is straight-up fire. thx for the content.
Please do the Manson Murders.I'm not especially familiar with it.
"....a grizzly sight...." every time I hear this I hope it will conclude with "...a grizzly!" It never does and I'm always disappointed. I know it won't and still I hope. One day I'll get it.
I don't know why people nowadays people can't tell the difference between grisly and grizzly!
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 I was making a joke. Specifically playing with how people pronounce the two words. Apparently that isn't as obvious as it should be. Thanks for ruining the joke. Next time you don't understand something try just moving on.
Uh Duke University, it used to be called Harvard College or something like that one of her family members gave some $$$ and changed the name to drum roll please to Duke University
Its original name was Trinity College, and it was in a more rural setting. Julian Carr and Washington Duke (James's father) gave Trinity a large plot of land in Durham, and several five- and six-figure donations, respectively, and the school moved to Durham. Then James gave it something like $40 million (in 1920s money) with the condition that it be renamed Duke.
Spotify “Duke Ellington”, Simon. Do it now.
In another video he said he didn't know what matzah bread was... People in the U.S. should be forced to listen to his videos, if for no other reason than it will teach us to appreciate our diversity!
The guy got out to open the gate, she was supposed to drive through it and he was to shut the gate after the car goes through. She was unfamiliar with the car- we all know that it takes a bit to get used to the gas and brakes in a different car that we are used to. I can see how that whole thing happened
He was dumping her.
The autopsy doesn’t match that fake store. He would have been dragged. He was only hurt from the waist up. Furthermore a 13 year older paper boy heard him screaming after the first hit. He then heard her car reve up and smash. he ran toward it and she told him he had better run away.
With a hefty dash of murderous rage just for spice.
I just found your channel recently and so happy about it !! I’m a long time true crime follower but y’all put a fresh spin on it. I’m enjoying catching up on the previous cases you’ve covered. Much loved from Huntsville, Alabama, USA.