Clever Dripper VS V60 - Blind Taste Test
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2019
- On today's episode of Java Royale, we're pitting the super-easy, beginner level Clever Dripper against the V60.
Which is better in a blind taste test?
These are the recipes we used:
- Clever: www.ptscoffee.com/pages/pts-c...
- V60: www.stumptowncoffee.com/brew-...
When i watch a lousy test like this it makes me appreciate James Hoffmann even more
The intelligence level was clear the moment there were ear hoops.
You should check out James Hoffman's clever brew recipe video and see hiw much of a difference that makes :-)
Right! I was thinking that, also! Need a re-do. ;)
Personaly, I feel that you should have used a finer grind and one more minute of brew time on the Clever to get a better extraction.
Yep, different brewing method needs fine tuning of grind size.. But I grind a little coarser with the Clever than V60, I find it brings out more sour/bitter when I grind finer with Clever. The V60 is smoother tasting but requires more attention when brewing. I actually just use the Clever because of it's set and forget type of brew, it's like a refined French Press.
@@VanSanProductions I understand your reasoning. I guess it comes down to the type of roast your beans have. I actually enjoy a bit more brightness and the slight sour is a plus for me. I agree, I was a french press guy for a long time and then I found the Clever. I guess we are all striving to find what best suits us individually...so keep doing you!
@@Ambrovious true, i used to use french press all the time but since going to filter coffee I think I couldn't go back now. I used to add sugar to balance the taste. Also it still tastes good after it's gone cold to me which I often drink it slowly at my desk and it goes cold.
I have V60, Kalita, Clever Dripper, Chemex, Aeropress and French Press at home. If you ask me what’s my favorite I‘d probably say the Kalita. In the end however it highly depends on the beans. When I get a new package, I try every method and see which one suits the beans the best.
The clever reminds me of a loose leaf tea making device that I used 15+ years ago.
I would also stir the Brew in the clever like you would with an aeropress
This is a completely invalid test. No disclosure of how long you steeped the Clever? Weight of beans, grind, etc.
Bogus.
Agreed! Ooooooooooooooooooooh Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaahh! Dig It!
Aside from what everybody else has already mentioned (bad experiment, didn't divulge any of the variables to us, extremely high chance they messed up the CD brewing process, etc.) - this video was a hilarious, almost textbook example of confirmation bias.
"We prefer the V60, but let's put it up against the Clever Dripper and see what happens!"
"Ooooh, interesting, but uh, I think I still like the V60."
"Um, yeah, uh, you know what... me too."
*Enter people who all tasted the V60 first, then had to follow it up with an improper CD brew
"Ummm, yeah, this one I think."
"So there you have it folks, DEFINITELY the V60 won. I mean, it's what we already preferred anyway."
I love this series honestly! Keep it up!
Thank you!
I really enjoyed that. I've been very curious about the Clever Dripper it seems like a good idea for a quick, no fuss cup. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, Shauny! 😁
The coffee that came out of the clever looked really watery. If I had to guess, you ground the coffee too coarse.
I do not feel part of this comparative analysis without knowing how much water and coffee were used, and the brew time and how coarse the grind was for each. You would naturally expect Clever to give you a stronger yet clean cup - thats what it is being touted for - but the colour of the brew there looked weak (or was it the lighting effect?). I mostly only do a Frenchpress and do not like what the remnant grit does to the coffee while it is cooling down. I was hoping Clever could eliminate that issue for me. I am thinking whether the versatile Aeropress might be a better buy though and whether this is required if one has an Aeropress and wants to make single serves. Whats do you reckon?
Go for the aeropress. It is my favorite weekend coffee. However if you don’t have a good coffee bean it greatly reveals that. There is no cover up with the aeropress.
@@arianewell6252 Thanks. I eventually ended up getting both. And I have to say I enjoy the Clever experience more, but I use it only when I have to brew two cups. I like the ease of Aeropress when I am making just one cup. Somehow gives me the illusion that I am wasting less paper. I shouldn't care.
I have been using an immersion dripper for years now along with other methods. Lately after watching comparisons to pour over such as yours, I have cut down by steep time to a minute and a half. I think (w/o side by side testing) that there is a definite improvement.
Own both of these P.O. brewers along with many more and can state that it takes a while to fully optimize taste regardless of brewer. Grind, time, dose, agitation and water temp all play a factor here and both make a great cup of coffee. Did find that the C.C. brewer does add more body to the cup while the V60 made for a cleaner cup but not to the level of a Chemex.
I think they did a terrible job with the Clever...
grind and steep time can maker a massive difference
also grounds go on top of water
Thanks for the video guys, I just recently got the Clever next to my V60 and will try a comparison tomorrow as well. Kinda new into coffee so it was interesting to see hear your thoughts :)
How did it go?
How did it go? And what technique did you use for each method?
Do tell
It just feels like you brewed the clever wrong.
They did. You don’t really need to let it bloom in the Clever but they should have broken up the crust with a few gentle stirs after a minute or so and brewed a total of 4 minutes, I believe.
What happens if people taste the Clever first instead of the V60?
Were the recipes adjusted to yield similar TDS and extraction percentage?
Hi! I like the VS videos. I'm curious with all the coffee systems. But... Can you please tell us which grinder do you use please? Cheers!
Hey there! We use the Baratza Encore grinder.
Well....... You guys didn't describe the brewing methods you used, grind size, etc etc
To get the full picture we need all the details.
Just got a Clever. Also have an AeroPress, French Press, and plastic pour over. I enjoy all of them. Really liking the Clever's brew method and experimenting with grind size. Next will be switching coffee from medium-dark to medium for my Clever. Medium roasts have been sour for me in my pour over so I plan to let them brew a little longer in my Clever. Really want a new grinder. Considering the new Fellow Ode Gen2. Just having too much fun with all this. Makes me really look forward to mornings as well as afternoon cups. Funny video review. Cheers all..!! PS - How do you like the carafe used in the video? I just got a Fellow Mighty Small. I like it except it seems to always have a drip hanging outside of its pour spout. I might also try a Hario Range Server to see if I like it better.
V60 easy win for the crowd that likes a lot of sugar in their coffee, and no sour aftertaste in their light roast. Thanks for selling me on the Clever. Imagine having to dial in your immersion time longer. Oh mah gosh, guys...
That was part of the fun. Figuring out that you will need to do your own taste testing. We all do.
@@stinkdyr301 yada yada, I own both. For a serious review look at James Hoffman's clever video from last week. Dialing in steep times, grind size, and water first with coffee 2nd...is the only way to review the product. None of this was discussed in this vid, and obviously the testers were not knowledgeable.
Tell your tasting guests to whisper......that always works. :-) But I liked the comparison test. I def would have guessed that the Clever would have produced a richer, better tasting experience due to the steeping. But I guess not. Thanks for doing it!
Cant you just use the clever dripper as a normal dripper if you want?
Pourover coffee, when made correctly, is always nicer than immersion coffee. Why? With pourover, hot water at the correct temperature does a quick tango with the ground coffee, steals its heart and then moves on. In doing so, it takes all the flavour and coffee goodness quickly, but doesn't hang around long enough for the rot to set in. By rot, I mean over-extraction. However, to get a terrific cup of pourover, you really need to be on the ball during the entire process. Grind consistency has to be bang-on. Get this wrong and you'll either have a cup that zips through and tastes insipid and under-extracted, or hangs around too long and tastes over-extracted. Get the water temp wrong and that will also affect the flavour.
My advice in the Pourover v Clever debate would be this:
(Baseline: rinsed paper filters, pre-warmed vessel and mug, decent burr grinder, but most importantly, speciality coffee you love)
- If you like every coffee you make to be a science experiment made in a quest to make the nicest cup of coffee you can - but more importantly, you have the time to do it - definitely invest decent money in pourover coffee.
- If for whatever reason (laziness, time constraints, law of diminishing returns) you just want a great cup of coffee with the minimum of effort, definitely use a Clever Dripper.
Of the latter, I think the Clever Dripper is ideal for brewing coffee with the minimum of fuss. Accepting a Clever brew cannot hit the heights of pourover, you're now free to make a cup of coffee that best suits you: French press coarse grind and a 3-4 minute steep? Filter coarse and a minute or two's steep? Try it and see which works best for you. And don't forget, you can make standard pourover coffee in a Clever! Just plonk the Clever on a mug and proceed using the pourover method: with the valve now open, it'll work exactly the same as a pourover.
Having been through coffee geekdom myself, I eventually discovered that all I really wanted was a great cup of coffee with the minimum amount of effort. In this respect, the Clever is the winner every time and my daily go-to.
I guess you can use the Clever to make a pour-over as well, if you just place it on the mug right away? With the Clever, you get the functionality of both, so it's a no-brainer as to what to buy. Or am I missing something?
@@vecernicek2 Exactly. The Clever gives you both a pourover (valve open on a cup) and an immersion brewer (valve closed on a flat surface). Based on pure logic alone, why would you buy anything else?
A quick tango and steals it’s heart, I love it
Yes! Great answer. Every tutorial just shows the clever as an immersion brewer, but I think it can do a lot with only one brewer. There are some recipes that join the fruitiness of the percolation with the body of the immersion styles.
exactly. I have several other brewers, but Clever is always be my go-to right now.
Yo I’m from Cali. I just recently started making my own coffee in the morning mainly to save money and not spend $5 at blue bottle. I’m using a stainless steel pour over coffee maker, it has a built in reusable mesh metal filter. My friends use a V60 (or looks like one) and the Chemex, but If it taste the same or similar then I would never want to buy a filter again lol so I guess I want to see V60 vs one of those stainless steel build in filters.
We'll check that out!
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that you have to grind more finely on Clever, somewhat counterintuitively.
What was the song played during the brewing montage?
The next question: which material is best for the V60? Glass, ceramic, metal, or plastic?
That's a great question. 🤔
cupcupapp ...or metal! There are metals ones, too, I just realized.
I had wondered the same thing and I believe it was James Hoffman that had answered this question. His answer was the plastic one and it was directly related to reasons of maintaining water temperature. The plastic gets to temp much quicker and maintains the temp. The ceramic robs a lot of heat initially and causes a rapid cool down, yes, you can preheat it, but that is extra time/effort being spent that is avoidable with the plastic one. The issues with the glass and metal is that, while they get to temp quickly, they release heat very quickly. The added bonus is also that the plastic one is the cheapest. All will make good coffee, but the plastic was his go-to.
How the heck do y'all have less than 500 subscribers? This was great!
Thank you, Denny! (:
How did you brew with clever, if you did similar to v60, it generally overextract... Water first method and brewing about 2-3 minutes work much better....
its like an aeropress and a pourover combined.
looked like a coarse grind.You can defintely grind finer than that for Clever.
Needs more Scotty though.
C'mon guys, this didn't even come close to a blind test. Learn what you are talking about before you talk about it.
Did you watch the whole video? Lol
How about comparing two brew methods, with a Blue Bottle Dripper, it's recipe vs George Howell Coffee?
www.georgehowellcoffee.com/brew-guide/kalita-185/
The Blue Bottle Dripper is very close to the Kalita 185, uses same filters, products about the same taste. It is hard to screw up a BB pour over.
I swear the taste changes.
I wondering if 6 slow pours disturbs the grounds more, or if letting it drain almost empty, that slight wait, then pouring?
I don't understand if you want an emersion, why not do it in a separate cup, and pour over a v60?
thats the whole point of the clever, so that you dont need an extra cup to immerse.
Hi Mitzi, a Clever gives you the option of doing pour over (rest it on top of cup) or the ease of a steeped coffee. As such, there's no downside to the Clever apart from cost.
If you already own a V60, as I do, then there'd be no need to keep it if you got a Clever.
If you already have a V60, there's no need to buy a Clever if you're happy steeping in another vessel and filtering through the V60 - it's just convenience.
Actually that's what I do, I boil water on the stove then I add the coffee to the boiling water, I wait 1 min then pour it V60.
The tast way more fruity and sweater.
I am from Macedonia. Love the Bristot coffee brand from Italy :)
You guys should brew both at the same time. Temperature matters a lot.
You're absolutely correct, we're working on eliminating as many variables as possible.
@@cupcupapp5289 there are electric tea kettles that allow you to set the temperature
This test shows only that you didn't do enough research over clever brewing methods. The color of the brew shows that it probably needed a finer grind and you can go pretty fine with Clever. And put water first damnit.
I have a V60 but getting a Clever for work, I don’t care. No need for a gooseneck. Plus-who thinks of Nicaragua for a good coffee. I’ll roast my Ethiopian 🫐 or Centrals 🍫 and throw it in that beeyoch
Audio's a little distant and echoey
Thanks surprised, Clever is my daily driver. experimenting with the coffee on top of water method czcams.com/video/jZSKcxokisw/video.html and convinced boiling water best to the extent that I'll put my whole clever loaded with hot water into the microwave on low to keep at near boil entire immersion time.
James Hoffman you guys are not. Not a great test.
Kind of sad to watch, such a lousy example of a "test." Sort of like two novices ... making a video for the first time on a topic with which they aren't well versed.
I think you should stop tasting each other's saliva.
Oh and you have no idea about Clever apparently. You are saying v60 is your daily driver, but you should have at least watched some CZcams videos before doing a comparison video. Shame.