Im not sure why so many are so confused about the rapture of the church. To me, the text is clear!!! Thank you Jesus. Waiting to be perfected and with you, praising your glorious name, always!!!!
The original Greek wording in Revelation 3:10 is "Ek tEs hOras" which means out of the hour. So it reads "shall be kept *out of* the hour of temptation." The church will be kept out of it. It is a specific appointed time we're kept out of. I love the sequence of Chapter 3 because Jesus says in verse 8 "...behold, I have set before thee an *open door* ..." Verse 11: Behold, I come quickly. Verse 20 "Behold, I stand at the *door* and knock:" The very next chapter 4:1 John sees a door open in heaven and a voice like a trumpet says "Come up here!" Then Jesus (Lamb) opens the seals in Chapter 6:1 and all heck starts breaking loose. Chapter 16:1 is Gods wrath. Revelation is in chronological order. The church is mentioned 19-times in chapters 1-3 then never again, a door is opened in heaven and John goes up (picture of the Rapture) Then the Tribulation chapters begin in Chapters 6-19. Chapter 19, Christ comes down for his second coming and establishes his Kingdom. He reigns for 1,000 years. Chapter 20 uses the word 1,000 multiple times, so it's not obscure. Also, the original Greek wording for 1 Peter 4:17 reads “Seeing that the season to begin the judgement *FROM the House of God* ...the finish of the ones being stubborn to Gods message." This is similar to “finish the transgression” in Daniel 9:24. To finish the stubbornness. Who are the stubborn ones? Israel. Isaiah 48 is about how stubborn Israel is. Verse 4 “I knew how stubborn you were. Your neck muscles were as unbending as iron. Your forehead was as hard as bronze.” So 1 Peter 4 is not saying judgement is coming to the house of God. It’s coming FROM it. This passage is about Israel. The body of Christ has never been referred to as stubborn. Enjoyed your video! Thank you for showing Jesus' assurances for the church. Because the 7-year Tribulation is for the salvation of Israel (Daniel 9:24)
Daniel 12 Tells us good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 Says only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus and they only take part in the First Resurrection
@@squirreljones3595 Right, about Revelation 20 because they’re the great multitude that are saved by hearing the gospel from the 144,000 preaching it, the two prophets preaching it and by the angel flying around the globe preaching it. God appoints these bc the church isn’t there to do it anymore. We’ve been removed. Those that reign with Christ bc they refused the mark are the Tribulation saints. They’re saved in the Tribulation. This isn’t the church saints. We come *with* Christ at his second coming at Armageddon. We’ve been celebrating in heaven for seven years at the wedding feast of the bride and groom.
@@HarpazoReady2022 if the church was removed at rapture. Then the tribulation saints removed at First Resurrection. Than how can there still be people in the Book of Life, amongst the dead. Revelation 20 15
@@HarpazoReady2022 then after 7 years we return to earth and live on earth ruling over humans who did not receive a glorified body (ive forgot which body of believers these are) Ruling in new Jerusalem for 1000 years correct? from my understanding heaven isnt the final destination but earth is
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,… Matthew 13:20-21 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. Ephesians 6:13-14 “Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…” It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand. Hebrews 10:35-39 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. At the end of Luke 17, Jesus answered the Pharisees about the coming of the kingdom and immediately spoke the parable of the persistent widow to teach the disciples to always pray and not lose heart concluding with “when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18:8. The servants in the Master’s house need meat in due season. Matthew 24:45-46 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes…”
There will be tribulation saints who will be saved and not bow to the Anti Christ. Oh how easy it will be for that monster to communicate with the whole world with digital media....
The rapture stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 will one day soon come to pass as the Bible says so, it has to be so. Only believers who are committed to the Lord will be snatched up to be with the Lord forever.
How is it that YOU can claim “Only believers who are COMMITTED to the Lord will be snatched up.” MY LORD saved ALL BELIEVERS! There is nothing biblical that says one must be COMMITTED to be saved or raptured.. Here is what the Bible DOES SAY about the criteria for salvation.. “And by him all that BELIEVE are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39 KJV “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I DO TO BE SAVED ? And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and THOU SHALT BE SAVED, and thy house.” Acts 16:30-31 KJV “These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God.” 1 John 5:13 KJV “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES in him should not perish, but HAS EVERLASTING LIFE .” John 3:16 KJV “He that BELIEVES on him is not condemned: but he that believeth NOT is condemned already, because he hath NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18 KJV “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should BELIVE AND BE SAVED .” Luke 8:12 KJV “Whosoever BELIEVES that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” 1 John 5:1 KJV “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE.” Galatians 3:22 KJV “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he THAT BELIEVES in me, though he were dead, yet shall he LIVE : And whosoever liveth and BELIEVES in me shall NEVER die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26 KJV “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto ALL and upon ALL them THAT BELIEVE; for there is no difference:” Romans 3:22 KJV “But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we BELIEVE on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;”. Romans 4:24 KJV “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.” Romans 10:4 KJV “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that BELIEVE.”. 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV “Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH without the deeds of the law.” Romans 3:28 KJV “But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVES on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5 “Even as Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Galatians 3:6 KJV “But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: BELIEVE ONLY , and she shall be made whole.” Luke 8:50 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou SHALL BE SAVED . For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:9-10 KJV “And this is his commandment, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.” 1 John 3:23-24 “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall CALL on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED .” Acts 2:21 KJV “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED , ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise,” Ephesians 1:13 KJV
Tell me something. How is it people will be drinking and marrying and having a good time when all these trials and tribulations, boils and such as in the days of noah? Something doesn't make sense. I don't think anybody will be having a good time even half way through the tribulation
Because it ain't talking about the believers the saints. We will be in persecution and the world will be in false peace and safety. They will be given into marriage and drinking and living life like normal. Because the Antichrist and the Beast system is established by then. Just like in the days of Noah. Noah and his family we're in the ark while outside the ark people were living life like normal. While Noah and his family we're in the ark for 7 days then after that when Noah was 600 years old. The fountains of the deep broke through and the rain fell. Just like that. Sudden destruction. So yeah it makes perfect sense. We will not be living life like normal but everyone else who takes the mark of the Beast and are under that system will continue life like normal and Just like in the days of Noah sudden destruction will come.
I can explain it to you, not the whole church will be raptured it will be divided into 2 groups the church of philadelphia/5 wise virgins/raptured church and the church of Laodicea/ 5 unwise virgins/lukewarm church/ left behind church. Matt 24: 36- 51 is right before and about the rapture. The church of Laodicea will stay to be tried! I wrote a comment with a full explanation on this same video if you want to read it.
@Mike Bromeo You probably didnt even read the full explanation with biblical text in the other comment but its ok, if you want to stay, God gave us free will! Blessings.
child of God The great tribulation ENDS before Jesus return. Matthew 24:29 "“Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not..." Mark 13:24 "But in those days, AFTER that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not..."
most people dont take into account time in heaven is different than time on earth. the scene keeps switching from earth to heaven. with this the time changes.
it makes no sense for Jesus to meet us half way and go up and then immediately turn right around and come back with him. God's judgement for the wicked is not for his bride. I don't understand everything
"To meet" is used three more times in the bible. Compare scripture with scripture and allow the author to define his own terms. Acts twenty eight :14,15,16. The folks "meet" Paul and then continue with Paul to Rome. It makes perfect sense when you use the bible to interpret the bible instead of opinions. There are several Greek words translated as "meet". Isn't it interesting God using this definition here? correctly for the true picture. ******* Did Israel receive God's plagues of wrath in Egypt? No, for they were protected, and so are we for we have the pure blood of the spotless Lamb applied.
he doesnt meet us half way. we go to heaven for the wedding supper of the lamb if we are "Wise virgins" robed in white with oil in our lamps. those who are outside go through the tribulation. when we are in heaven time changes. we are outside of earths time. therefore we cannot draw time in a linear fashion. "to God a day is as a thousand years" if the tribulation is 3.5 second part of the 7 years then we may be in heaven long enough for a wedding and a honeymoon. lol
Thanks for the keen observation/analysis, suffering for injustice has been common among non believers/other religion followers as well in our 6000yrs history, we are blessed with God's companion along the way!
The fact that you are admitting that you're willing to rethink things because of this presentation shows great promise in your walk with Christ You are about to get very very excited Because things are going to open up to you like never before I have not done any videos yet but I will But there are plenty of video's available right now I'm rightly dividing the word of truth I would recommend starting with Justin Johnson I believe it's ambassador Church if you search rightly dividing Justin Johnson you'll find it on CZcams this would be a very good place to start rightly dividing I have a whole lot of division in it as well as any other but when you learn the basic truths about your Bible on what is actually for you it is amazing how clear Things become
Isaiah 26:20-21 [20]Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. [21]For behold, the Lord is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; It will be very difficult for the gentiles to receive salvation after the rapture, because only the house of Noah was saved in that tribulation. Enoch, Christians, will have been snatched away. And therefore, the Lord will have the house of Israel to preserve and prepare for the second coming when the tribulations ticks in. Remember, the man of lawlessness will only be revealed when He that restrains him is taken out of the way. The church is the holy habitation of the Holy Spirit. When the church is taken away, then the Holy Spirit, too, is taken away. That's when the anti - Christ will be revealed.
Heinz Mboya, I see evidence of a revival after the rapture. The 144,000 in Revelation 7 come from all tribes, including the 10 from Ephraim that were scattered to the nations. That harkens back to the prophesy in Ezekiel 37 when two sticks (Judah and Ephraim for Joseph) were twisted together and God revealed that he would bind them back together one day. And this must be their binding together because time has run out. If this is not that, I’d like to see where it happened in the past. So, the Jew’s eyes will be opened at the rapture, then with the help of the two witnesses, a revival of Jew and Gentile will spread around the world.
The Greek word used for “meeting” was used in the ancient world to refer to the meeting/welcome an approaching dignitary would receive. The people of the city would go out to meet the dignitary, and the whole assembly would enter the city together. This is the picture Paul is conveying, contra the popularized notion of the Rapture as an invisible pre-return Return of Christ to snatch away the church.
It all boils down to "nobody knows". If God would have wanted us to know exactly how He will accomplish it, He would have been very specific in His word. He wasnt. I believe that He wants each of His children to live their life in anticipation that today might be the day. Pride wont let people say "Idont know".
The Lord is our Shepherd. We are His sheep. We know His voice. I believe our Shepherd will gather us, His sheep, before the storms come. He wants to protect us.
Read a Ephesians you are not a sheep you are a part of the body of Christ you are in Christ and Christ is in you you are not Israel today is the dispensation of Grace
It says it will be like the days of Noah in those days God has let Noah know about the flood to come and has saved him cause he was a saved one. The same will happen to the ones who are saved right now
To those that believe in the PRETRIBULATION false doctrine: 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” King James Version (KJV) Jesus Christ is coming back after the Tribulation according to the Word of God. Please listen to Dr. Walter Martin video "Tribulation Rapture" to tell us where the false doctrine of pretribulation came from.
marcuswongcheehong, The rapture cannot come until the Beast is revealed, the abomination is set up, the false prophet comes on the scene, many Christians are beheaded, the Great Falling Away from the faith, and the dead in Christ are resurrected. Now, Erdogan of Turkey (Magog/Assyria) is actively reviving the Ottoman Empire (the Final Beast will be the revival of the exact same Empire that followed the Roman Empire in the Middle East -Rev. 17.) So, when that is complete and Erdogan is replaced in favor of Imam Mahdi, and a man calling himself "Issa" is declared to be the real Jesus, and begins telling Christians and jews that they must convert to Islam, and a Minaret is placed on the Temple Mount requiring all who hear to immediately bow and recite a prayer of allegiance to a false god...then we can start looking for the rapture.
To keep from Same Jesus Same apostle same topic I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest KEEP THEM FROM the evil. John 17 :15 Tribulation is God's way of describing his plagues of wrath in Egypt. Deut 4 :32, Ex 15 :7. They were protected, for they had the pure blood of the lamb applied. Ex 12 :13
Hi, I think you forgot to finish the last bit of John 17:15...keep the from the evil one. FYI not taking sides on this, just thought a complete quotation of the text is important to accurately exegete the text.
@@patkul2 New modern slop rag versions change doctrine. KJV has no errors like these modern Jesuit Protestant fakers. Your perversion is incorrect. * * * * * * * A pre-trib Jesuit planted changed verse.
Matthew 24:40-42 King James Version 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Not to sure why people assume we won’t be raptured. Pretty easy to understand. As far as Matthew 24:40-42 but here is another Revelation 3:10 King James Version 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. The hour of trial. No Christian would live in the great tribulation. The anti christs purpose will be to kill all Christians. His word would not say KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION. If we’re gonna get killed. Also dude should of kept reading. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 King James Version 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. Talking about the body of Christ. Jesus followers, Holy Spirit, etc. Christians being raptured would also save a lot of souls cause everyone would be like “where are the Jesus followers?” “They were right this whole time!!” If we continued through the tribulation. People would be saying/ doing what they’re and have been doing this whole time. Makes sense to me. But regardless if we stay for tribulation it shouldn’t matter. Jesus is the way! Be born again and be guided with the Holy Spirit
You might auto Or watch some of your basic rightly dividing the word of Truth videos ultimately what you will find is that everything you are pointing to is for Israel some people would say the Jews you are in the body of Christ you are saved by grace we're living in a Time called the dispensation of Grace this was taught by Paul but completely different gospel than what Jesus did Jesus was talking to Israel he was preaching the kingdom preparing them for the kingdom to come you my friend are not going that the kingdom you are going to heaven you were going to be taken out of this world by Jesus directly to heaven you will pass go when you will not collect your $200 LOL it is direct images for the body of Christ we're saved by grace through faith not of their own but a gift from God and no works read Ephesians learn the power that you have in your salvation God changes you you cannot do anything to earn your salvation you cannot do anything to keep it but you will change if you have faith walk in the faith believe study and learn
Acts 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV) 9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Christ (the head) was taken up in the air. I think these verses in Acts show us how the body of Christ will also be taken up in the clouds to meet the Lord , the head, in the air. (As mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.).
@@EF2000CanFly aka baal-zebub, fly away. ezekiel 13.20 "Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly."
Well that teaching certainly blew me away I could have done better in this life to the betterment of your kingdom and for this I ask for your forgiveness Lord Jesus. I thank you God whenever you come back. Be with me as my health is fading. Help me do your will with all time left.
The timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are pre-tribulational (the rapture occurs before the tribulation), mid-tribulational (the rapture occurs at or near the mid-point of the tribulation), and post-tribulational (the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation). A fourth view, commonly known as pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the mid-tribulational position. First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time. The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together. Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation. @DesiringGod
Thankful for you John Piper. Though this is a hard, divisive teaching, you shared your thoughts and opinions in a respectful manner, and for those who do not agree with you, I hope they realize this is not a hill to die on and that no one knows FOR SURE how this will all play out. Jesus is returning we know that for sure. :)
We know for sure, we have read the whole bible. He comes only once more with sword in mouth there are no second chances. God reveals himself to commandment keepers because he saved us and we show our love for HIM. We are not freemason indoctrinated, or religiously indoctrinated by Pharisees that are taught today by men. We Are lead by the Almighty Teacher Yahushua who came in His Fathers name Yahweh and He is God who Does not change.
@@johnp3081 I have never read one of your books,but I have heard your name,and I agree with you concerning this one and only coming of our Lord,we meeting him at that time and returning back to the earth with him to set up his kingdom. Thank you bro. Piper
Hello Kelli, the main reason why it is so Divisive is because so many have never ever been Taught the Truth about what the English Word "Rapture" means NOR how that word is used in English Literature! Then we have the False Teaching by many of when the Rapture takes place as though it could happen right now instead of Repeating what Jesus and Paul Taught about the Rapture! We must all Learn the Truth!
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Revelation 1:7 Behold he is coming with the clouds and Every eye will see him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen! This is how he will return... as he Left with the clouds, he'll return with the clouds. With the voice of an Archangel, and the lawless one of will be destroyed with the Brightness of his coming.
when the saints are caught up.. if they are caught up to heaven first which i believe they will. they will be outside of time. its possible that they will be out of the trials and come back with jesus. there is no reason to believe that this catching away has to return immediately.
Correct! Why would the Lord have us endure hell on earth when he laid the price on the cross for us? Propitiation. Check out behold Israel ministry for better teaching!
Christ dying on the cross is for our sins and eternal life it’s not an escape from persecution plenty of disciples went through persecution some didn’t.
@@Wdym41 Already believers endure ridicule & persecution why be subjected to another persecution? Revelation 3 vs 10...we shall escape the wrath If we go through wrath same time how will unbelievers start believing? Also 10 virgins parable remember
I. God is a rescuer. When He flooded the earth he first provided a safe place for the Noah and his family. Other examples throughout the OT. 2. The Holy Spirit must be removed in order for the Great Tribulation to happen in the last 3.5 yrs. The HS lives in US therefore it is logical to think it is us who are removed first. 3. The angels said Jesus would return in the same way he was leaving them. It says He arose while blessing them...not like lightening streaking across the sky, as described in His second coming. They obviously saw Him for some time as the were looking up long enough for the angel to ask them, "what are you looking at?". So the two returns are completely different in their entrance. 4. It also says that when we meet Him in the air, we will enjoy a feast with Him in Heaven. So is John saying we are taken up to Christ, have a quick meal, come back with Him just moments later to establish The Kingdom? And maybe the people who are left are the ones who suffer during the trib. Just asking along with new Christians.. No need to answer. Still working it out after 50 yrs of reading the Word. He has some great points though. He could be right. I'm not waiting for either. I just am watching for whatever happens. Blessings.
I was listing to a pastor that only speaks about buying gold, yes, he's talking about salvation I think I am going back to another group that speaks about being faithful to the word of God
Also if that 7 year tribulation period in Daniel 9 is referred to as "JACOB's Trouble" (which is a reference to the tribulation the jews will face for rejecting Jesus) isnt it replacement theology to assume that God is lumping in THE CHURCH with ISRAEL. I think we have to be hygienic as Chuck Missler would say when we analyze the scripture because it's very easy to confuse the period in which God deals with Isreal with the Church Age or the Age of Grace. Rapture has to happen before 2nd Coming or else the Church who didnt reject the Messiah would be in the world experiencing the same tribulation that the Jews are facing for rejecting Jesus. Does that make sense? Why would God prophesy something for his people, Israel, 4000 years ago and then change his mind and include his Church in that prophesy when the Church is not mentioned in the original prophesy in Daniel 9. I believe for Gods Word to be consistent it rapture HAS to be pre-tribulation or else the Body of Christ, the Church would face the same tribulation meant for the HOUSE of Israel (aka the HOUSE OF GOD as you mentioned in 1 Peter 4:17). Its also ironic to considering that Peter was known to be the evangelist for the Jews back in the day so It'd make sense that his epistle would address House of God (ISRAEL) rather than the Body of Christ (THE CHURCH). Anyways lemme know what y'all think
100% agree with you wholeheartedly. I think many people rejecting the pre-tribulation rapture are being "realists". What i mean by that is, they look at the world around us and see that life carries on the way it always has, and probably always will for quite some time now. They don't see all the pieces of the puzzle as they are accumulating, therefore can't perceive the signs of the times. If you think about it from a logical perspective, believe in an "IMMINENT" rapture takes a lot of faith. Not saying that people who believe a mid or post tribulation rapture lack faith, but what I am saying is that most of them can't fathom it's possibility in their mind. So a lot of people when they try to line up the signs of the times, they take into account their "worldly experiences". They begin to see that life really is carrying on, and feel like the Lord is delaying on his promise... so they start to analyze scripture and conclude that Jesus can't possibly be returning before the tribulation. If we take our "life experience" and "limited understanding" out of the way, and allow the word of God to speak fluently to us we will definitely see how the church has to be raptured before Jacob's trouble. God is not going to clump his children with those who will endure his wrath, but as I stated it's very hard for people to see this... because life seems to just continually "carry on". I too believe for Gods Word to be consistent, and do see a pre-tribulation rapture. A mighty case can be made for it just by using the Old Testament alone, without including the New. God declared the end from the beginning, and the beginning from the end. He is not slack on his promises, nor will he delay. Till we meet in the clouds Eman Ese, Shalom!
@PlowsharesintoSwords To say pre-trib is a lie and to tag pre-tribbers as preachers of a false gospel is to allow yourself to be a pawn of satan. Stop trying to sow division in these comments. We all know we are saved by the Grace of God through faith in Jesus lest not by works lest any man should boast. Get that bitterness out your heart its not that deep, what were debating here is eschatology not salvation... Also Read 1 Thess 5 which speaks of THE DAY OF THE LORD. In verse 9 paul says "For God did not appoint us (Church) to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ". In verse 3 it says the people (also known as the children of darkness) will NOT ESCAPE. Hmmm how could one ESCAPE from God's Judgement. I think a RAPTURE would be the most plausible allusion considering the bible mentions it. Hmmm if were not suffering from the wrath of God which are the trumpet and bowl judgements in revelation who is? Spoiler Alert its the nations who rejected the messiah Both Jew and Gentile. Its so simple when you let the text do the speaking. God says what he means and means what he says. Anyways, much love.
Why would God give us all the signs and prohecies and tell us to watch for them so we would know the season of his return and that when we saw them all occur we should comfort one another for our redemption draws nigh. How to you comfort someone by telling them, yes they will be redeemed but first you must endure 7 years of a deluge of the worst catastrophes the world has ever seen where billions will be killed and suffer unspeakable horrors.To me 7 years of that kind of hell on earth isn't very comforting or drawing nigh. The Bible says we are children of light and not appointed to wrath to me spending the Tribulation period on earth is being appointed to wrath. Jesus returning on the clouds wearing ONE crown to rescue His Bride ( Body of the Church Rapture ) is a separate event from when He returns at the end of the Tribulation riding a white horse and having MANY crowns. Without the Blessed Hope of the Rapture how do we as believers share The True Gospel (Good News) of Jesus The Christ to non believers in this day and age, if you tell them they will be saved if they accept Him as their Savior but still must suffer through 7 torturous years, I doubt many will see that as Good News. I think many who discount the pre trib rapture are walking by sight and not by Faith. Its hard for natural man to accept a supernatural event on the scale of the Rapture, but we all believe he is returning at some point soon I just have Faith that He is going to reward true believers who have been eagerly watching for His return shelter in his Father's House during the judgment coming on the earth.
And so ALL Israel shall be saved. Note that Paul already showed CLEARLY WHO "all Israel" is. Not they of the flesh, these are not all Israel, nor are they the seed, nor are they the children of God. Romans nine:6,7,8. very clear. But the verseless pre-tribber loves to opinionate over facts of scripture just like the factless leftist.
I wish I knew your name. I thank you so much for reminding me about the rapture In greek its a word I can't spell.. I agree with Phil, I as listing that the earth will be shaking and quaking nothing about the Rapture.
Like the plagues the believers were not hurt. Like the Flood they were protected through. To keep means protect from. KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS - PROTECT you from sinning. Its simple, do not complicated God's word. Read rev 7 carefully...the saints are then overcome. What does overcome mean?
The Holy Spirit can't be removed from the earth at the start of the tribulation. If that were the case, then no one would be saved during the tribulation because no one is saved without having the Holy Spirit. John 3:5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God. Romans 8:9, ..."Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." 1 Corinthians 12:3, "...and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit."
@@PooleSilly satan is being held/bound in heaven. when he who letteth is taken out of the way satan is released. he who letteth is he who holds satan in heaven and only allows satan to do so much.
The word translated as “meet” in 1 Thess 4:13-18 appears to be a technical term that refers to a ceremony in which Greeks went out to greet a dignitary and escort them back to town. However, the context in which it’s used in Matt 24:6 is a Jewish marriage. By ancient Israeli custom, bridegrooms had to prepare a place for brides in their father’s house, but he could not bring her there until the father was satisfied, so the bridegroom didn’t know the day or hour but the father only. Eventually, the bridegroom would appear unannounced at his bride’s house and she had come out quickly to meet him, meaning she also had preparations to do, then he would escort his bride to her place in his father’s house. And in this parable, the virgins who are prepared went out to meet the bridegroom and then he escorted them to the marriage banquet in his father’s house. This was a patriarchal culture, so the bride always joined HIS family and not vice versa. The marriage ceremonies were at his father's house. In John 14:1-4, Jesus said to believe in him that he was going to prepare a place for them in his Father’s house, which they would have understood as joining his family. In Rev 12:14, a woman (bride?) is flown to “her place” where she’s safe from the appearance of the serpent for approximately 3.5 years. In Rev 19:6-10, the glorified bride is seen celebrating the marriage and marriage supper of the Lamb behind closed gates in Heaven before returning with Jesus at his Second Coming. And only after the Armageddon battle, and the harvest and destruction of everyone with the mark, the imprisonment of Satan, and the setting up of new thrones is anyone resurrected, and then it’s specifically saints killed for keeping faith and refusing the mark during the great tribulation.
When will the Marriage of the Lamb and Marriage supper of the Lamb will take place if Christ comes for a judgment according to Mr. Pipers view of rapture?
luke 21 PRAY FOR WORTHINESS TO ESCAPE......34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. 37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. 38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.
Daniel 11:33 reads that some will fall by the sword, or be burned, or captured, or plundered. Rev 13:10 says some will go into captivity and others will be killed by the swords. In Matthew 24:22, Jesus says the days are cut short so that some of the elect's flesh will be saved. There will definitely be people who remain unto his coming - that is the rapture.
We were supposed to be preparing...sure God will supernaturally provide but Noah prepared for many years..some will have there lamps full others will not. We knew this day was coming for years we saw all the signs leading g up to this. Jerad kushner owns a RFID company they're just waiting for the right moment to roll this all out. All the dreams and visions people are having and everything happening in Isreal... So many people are living pay check to pay check not putting food water etc away for what's coming... We know it will be just like in the days of Noah... So many are dependant on the government for there every need and not God it's sad just like those who believe Trump could make America great "without God this Nation will never be Great"
This whole matter can be put to rest if people just listen to the plain words of Jesus. He used the term "last day" 5x And then in Matthew 24 He verified that the resurrection would happen on the 'last day' when the sun would be darkened and the moon would no longer give it's light! It is litterly the "last day" as the sun will not rise again, the entire world will be lit by the Shekina glory! The sign of the Son of Man! And we will go up to meet the Lord and commander, fall in rank and file and ride with back in with Him as He has defeats the enemy! When the final shofar sounds, the Lord has entered the fight and the battle is won! Until then, He has told us to be faithful, have patience and to endure .
I had a Rapture dream in Nassau, Bahamas ( Matthew 24: 31). I was standing in broad daylight. Suddenly I was taken thousands of feet in the air. I looked down and saw people in on the ground. The wealth was impressive as it glistened in the sun. The people seemed to be busy with their jobs, exuding egotism not knowing that Jesus had come and gone. I told this to an aunt of mine, who said that she knew another woman who had almost the exact same dream as myself in Eleuthera. She herself saw many people that were left on the ground after Jesus fist appearing (1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17). The second dream was also of the Rapture. This time whole groups of people disappeared instantaneously from the face of the earth. Be prepared for Jesus' second appearing in the clouds (Revelation 1: 7). It will be instantaneous. Confess that you are saved by grace through faith alone, and realize that His atoning blood wipes away all sin (1 John 1: 7 and Hebrews 9: 22) . Afterwards your code of conduct is holiness and purity of heart. Be at peace with all men and practice holiness without which no man shall see God (Leviticus 19: 2). LIVE A LIFE OF REPENTANCE (ACTS 3: 19). EVERY TIME YOU REPENT, THE BLOOD OF JESUS WIPES AWAY ALL SINS. Salvation is never a license to sin. Take it seriously. 24801
Magic Jesus of the human mind. Very easy to follow a God you have not seen. Why was the cornerstone rejected? They hated Him. Today the whole world loves him. Another Jesus. Please read Rev 1:8
EVERYBODY has dreams. It seems like everybody who believes in the pretribble mythology is having rapture dreams. Muslims are also having "prophetic dreams."
i hear few people talk of the possibility of a partial rapture. "pray that you would be considered worthy to escape the trials that are going to come on the whole earth" if the bible says to pray that we are worthy. we should heed that. we also should heed the warning of the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. i would say the letters to the churches in revelations reflect this idea that God deals with each church differently. AN OVERLY SIMPLISTIC INTERPRETATION FAILS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE. TO assume all believers go through the same thing is over simplistic. the scene in new jerusalem seems to take into account that there are believers with ressurection bodies there but also regular humans, which is why the feasts and sacrifices and temple jewish symbols resure because some need the symbolic instruction to point backward to the finished work of Christ on the cross. just as the shadows in the old testament pointed forward for the jews in the old testament.
You are doing a very good job with the scriptures your bringing to the table when I used to believe in post-trib rapture mid-trib rapture these were my versus however once you start to rightly divide the word of God this whole issue comes much clearer you and me sir we are in the body of Christ this is totally separate from Israel's program. Now first and second Thessalonians are written by Paul so technically one would think that this whole thing is for the body of Christ but I don't think the mystery of the body of Christ has been revealed yet notice there is no mention of Grace in Thessalonians and it is definitely focused on the second coming. Now once I got past post and mid rapture and I finally agreed with the pre-trib rapture which is discovered by process of elimination then I could see this first and second Thessalonians as the Rapture of the church or I should say the Rapture of the body of Christ which is the church but then as I study this which is where I'm at now I am noticing and seeing that this is probably not the Rapture of the church it is the second coming of Christ and it might even be a mid-trib rapture but not for the body of Christ we will not be here for the tribulation these people will be taken out before God's Wrath which is mid or towards the end of the tribulation these people being raptured actually be the bones you read about in Ezekiel the 12 apostles could be in this Resurrection these could people could be going up to meet Jesus in the air their bodies have been changed there are now immortal and they're going to do battle and then when it is all over they're going to rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years and these people will be Israel they are the ones who will rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand years these are the people that were meant to be Kings and Priests blessing the Gentiles. It is amazing how much we can learn when we are willing to let go of what we thought we knew by opening our mind and our hearts to God's word. Some things I am dogmatic about like salvation believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ his blood covers your send you are saved by grace through faith not for everything you have done It is a gift from God And not by works You cannot boast Because it was nothing you could do To earn it or keep it . Now every verse that you read sir except Thessalonians was written to Israel and I suspect that first and second Thessalonians are so early in Paul's Epistles I don't think he received the mystery of the body of Christ. So where is our rapture try Colossians 3 4 remember Jesus had a secret appearing with Paul and he chose Paul to teach the gentiles so Paul began his journey going first to the Jew and then the Gentile everywhere he went but also remember this I believe all the little churches all the little groups of people believers before Paul was converted as a matter of fact the very people that Paul was persecuting before Jesus grabbed him they are what is called the little flock people who were saved under the kingdom gospel that was taught by Christ and the 12 apostles these people's Hope was to go into the kingdom still waiting to do it. But their leaders killed Christ and he rose again now there's a new gospel the death burial resurrection of Christ but the mystery that Paul has is not revealed for sometime.
The ten wise and foolish virgins. They went out to meet the bridegroom and what did they do - the five wise ones. They went with him INTO the wedding festivities. he didn't come back out into the street with them. Also the raptured saints will come back with the bridegroom. As for them being given relief from the ones who afflicts Him. Yes those who persecute the saints will be afflicted. He will repay them. He is conflating the two events together. Does he really think that given the events of the tribulation that they will be being persecuted at that times. Also note that the armies of heaven follow Christ out of heaven.
In response to the comments made about Revelation 3:10, this promise was of course spoken by Jesus TO the church. Jesus also said the following in Luke 21:36: “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man”. When Jesus spoke about those terrible days to come, He only gave two “types” as examples of that period: the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Jesus used these two specific examples precisely because they’re illustrations of the wrath of God being poured out on the earth after His chosen people were provided a means of escape. They weren’t escaping persecution; they were escaping God’s wrath. The same will be true for Christians before God pours out His wrath for the final time at the end of the age. The New Testament is clear that believers in Christ are NOT appointed to wrath; God’s wrath for believers was poured out on Jesus on the cross. The church - the bride of Christ - will be raptured out of the way before God pours out His wrath on the world. If this was not so, God would be a wife-beater, which He is not. To understand the End-Times you need to understand WHO God is dealing with during the 7-year tribulation period, which is the missing “week” in the 70 weeks prophecy given in Daniel 9 (70 X 7 years). The first 69 weeks ran from the decree of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem. Daniel 9:24 makes clear WHO the prophecy applies to when Gabriel tells Daniel, “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city”. Who is Daniel’s people and his holy city? Israel and Jerusalem. This isn’t about the church. The 70 weeks is about Israel and there’s still one week left to complete; the last 7 years of history. The English phrase “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 translates the Greek word harpazo, which means “to seize upon with force” or “snatch up”. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapturo, the root of the English term “rapture”. At the rapture, living believers will be “snatched up”, translated into the clouds, to join the Lord in the air. Paul uses the words “clouds” and “air” to emphasise the reality of the event and draw attention to the fact that there are multiple examples in Scripture of people having already been raptured (“snatched up”), including Enoch, Elijah, Philip, Paul, John and of course Jesus at His ascension. The descriptions of all these events use the same terminology to describe the catching away; Paul intentionally uses this terminology in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The rapture of the church is an event separate and distinct from the Second Coming of Jesus to earth. Jesus went to great lengths to ensure His disciples understood His Second Coming, so taught them about it within the context of a common event they were already very familiar with; He spoke about His Second Coming in the context of the Jewish wedding custom. If the rapture does not exist, how could the bride (the church) come WITH Jesus at His return? In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Jesus comes for His church and takes her to His Father’s house (as described in John 14:3). In contrast, at Jesus’ Second Coming with His saints, He descends from heaven to set up His Messianic Kingdom on earth (Matthew 24:27-31); a literal 1,000-year rule on earth (Revelation 20:1-6). There is a difference between the two events. This is further evidenced by how the rapture is characterised in the New Testament as a “mystery” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54), that is, a truth not revealed until its disclosure by the apostles, whereas the Second Coming was predicted in the Old Testament. In fact, the oldest prophecy uttered by a prophet was given by Enoch before the Flood about the Second Coming, who was himself raptured without seeing death (Jude 1:14-15). In summary, the movement of the believer at the rapture is from the earth to heaven, whereas at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), while at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13).
Another concrete argument against the pre-trib view is that we cannot precede the dead in Christ. Revelation 20 simply states that those beheaded during the tribulation took part in the “FIRST” resurrection. There could not have been one before that. We cannot be raptured before those beheaded during the tribulation. It’s impossible to reconcile that view with scripture.
Every eyes will see Him coming... Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7 What happened at the return of Christ ... But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10-13 --------------------------------------------- Step to Christ Audio: czcams.com/video/OEhB_KgvIGw/video.html Step to Christ Book: m.egwwritings.org/en/book/108/toc The Great Controversy Audio : czcams.com/video/GQo5ktm0WnQ/video.html The Great Controversy Book : www.great-controversy.eu/ In Christ Alone
The church is not appointed unto wrath! The great Tribulation is the time of JACOB'S trouble! It is for the 12 Tribes! Why would Jesus lift us into the clouds to come back (with no Marriage Supper of Lamb), and to return immediately to Armageddon? Some reward for faithfulness!
All human opinions with not one pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation. interesting. Israel did not experience God's wrath in Egypt. But they were protected and at the end left.
Phil, because the bible says so. That's why. pretty simple. can't be an EVITE playing the game of "pick and choose" or "I PREFER" Now Satan was more subtle. Israel was protected during God's plagues of wrath in Egypt, for they had the blood applied. Your god can't protect you? or do you not have the blood of the Lamb applied? Rev 16 :15 Behold, I am coming as a thief. :16 Armageddon. I'll stick to God's word being the final authority and not your ignorant opinions.
Phil, Israel was not appointed to God's wrath either, for they were PROTECTED because they had the pure blood of the lamb applied. Are you claiming not to have the pure blood of the Lamb of God applied to the door of your heart here in this issue? Satan attacks the saints this is not just Jacob. * * * * * * * You reject CLEAR scripture. * * * * * * * Immediately after the tribulation. * * * * * * * For they are not ALL Israel, which are of Israel: neither because they are of the seed of Abraham, are they ALL children: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God : but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. * * * * * * * Prophecy:Phil will never ever post this pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation. Instead it will be opinions or ignore. * * * * * * * And the pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation IS________. NOT THERE! And we all know why... because NO lie is OF the truth. 1 John 2 :21 * * * * * * * All endtime passages are post trib. without exception. Immediately after the tribulation At the last trump The dead in Christ rise first. Job 14 :12-14 * * * * * * * Let no man deceive you! Allow the author of the book to define his own terms in his own book. You will never ever go wrong then. Clear passages, no need to go to word gymnastics. The simplicity that is in the gospel. * * * * * * * Your Jesus lied to you. he said Immediately after the tribulation. After he was directly asked of the last days. You are being dishonest to run to opinions instead of submitting to the very truths of God's pure word. KJV. * * * * * * * You shall be judged by his words in the last. Unless you repent of yer verseless doctrine of devils.
herbbearingseed all Christians believing in Jesus Christ including the Jews who convert to the truth of the Messiah and don’t forget the Gentiles get grafted into the branch of the name of Israel.
Blessings, Yeshua has shown me something you might find interesting: both the views stated in your video are on the right track. In Matt 25, we have the 10 virgins, first we agree that they are the church/2 Cor. 11:2 " I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband , to Christ , so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." Plus they all have lamps with oil, the lamps representing: Light/visible/earthly and the oil representing: anointed/inner/spiritual, so they are all believers but the wise virgins brought more oil ( which means they were constantly anointed by having a personal relationship with Yeshua, studying the word, praying constantly {1 Thess 5:17}, etc.) and the 5 unwise virgins are the believers who do not keep a constant personal relationship with God, they forget to pray, don't fast, dont read the bible, etc.). NOT the whole church will leave in the rapture, we see that the 5 wise virgins are ready and when the bridegroom (Christ) comes for them, he takes them and shuts the door, so when the 5 unwise virgins come to the door it is already shut. Now lets go to Rev. 3, the last 2 letters to the churches, We are currently in the time of the church of Philadelphia ( church of brotherly love) the church door is open anyone who wants to accept Christ is welcome in. Rev 3: 7 "These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut." and its also the raptured church "since you have kept my command to endure patiently I will also keep (1 Thess. 4:17) you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth." notice it says test not destroy. The 5 wise virgins are the church of Philadelphia. and the 5 unwise virgins are the church of Laodicea/the lukewarm church/ left behind believers, who are going to stay to be tested, but once they turn back to Yeshua, he will accept them back. Back to Matt 25:11 the 5 unwise come back to find the door shut "Later the others also came, Sir! they said . Open the door for us!", and since they are lukewarm he replies, " I tell you the truth i dont know you". Now to Rev 3:15 the church of Laodicea "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So because you are lukewarm - neither hot nor cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth." notice it says "about to" they are going to be tried and he wants them to come back to him. Rev 3:18 " I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire ("faith" 1 peter 1:7), white clothes to wear (whitened with the blood of the lamb/his righteousness Rev 7:14) and salve (deliverence/strongs) and he says in Rev: 3:19 "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock." the door is closed the same way it was closed for the 5 unwise virgins, but he tells them to be earnest and repent! Right after the rapture they will knock and will be left behind (the same as the 5 unwise virgins). Then they will realize and repent and then Yeshua will come and knock at the door of their hearts " if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." All these now repented believers (Left behind church/offspring) will still have to go thru many trials (but not as severe as the unbelievers), Because once the dragon is foiled in his attack to Isreal he goes after the left behind church. Rev 12:17 "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman(Isreal) and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring - those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.(which is the left behind church). But they have to overcome their trials Rev. 3:21 "to him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne." As one church, never to part from him again. Blessings hope it helped! Yeshua also showed me that the rapture is also mentioned in Rev 12. if interested I will write it as well.
It says keep you 'FROM' not keep you 'THROUGH' the hour of trial. If God was coming at the end of the tribulation then his coming wouldnt be like a trap unexpected thats why he told us to keep watch, he wasnt twlling the ungodly to keep watch, "That day will come upon the world like a trap.... Pray that you are found worthy to Escape ALL that is about to come and that you will be able to stand before the son of man. The whole point in the tribulation is the judge the wicked they wont be partying, have you read the book of Revelation. War, plauges, meteors, famine, locusts.
If the man child being caught up, harpazo, to the throne of God, Rev 12:5, represents the rapture. Then that event takes place in time between the second and third woe. The three woes are aligned with the last three, 5-7, trumpets. Revelation 8:13 KJVS [13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! One of the misleading aspects of the pre-tribulation doctrine is it displaces the 12th chapter of Revelation to the beginning of the tribulation. But you can’t do that because the man child being caught up to the throne of God takes place between the 2nd and 3rd woe and these two woes have a short period of elapse time between them, Rev 11:14. And of course the three woes are aligned with the last three trumpets. Third woe is when Satan is cast down to earth, Rev 12:12. The rapture is when the mystery of God, Christ in you the hope of glory, Col 1:27, in finished at the seventh trumpet. And the seventh trumpet takes place in time at the middle of the tribulation just before the bowls of wrath are poured out. Revelation 10:7 KJVS [7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. www.justifiedfreely.com/?p=1026
I have heard all three sides of this by wonderful Bible teachers. I know this is hard to know absolutely what will happen. One thing I wish you would have addressed in your fine teaching is that the until the restraining power of the Holy Spirit is removed the man of iniquity, evil will not be revealed. We as born again believers all have the in dwelling Holy Spirit so I’m still confused as to our still being here. Anyway, God bless you, we know that in the end we will be with our savior for all eternity. Pre-tribulation or mid tribulation or post- tribulation ???
Exactly! When the Holy spirit leaves the church must go with it. Those of us who are saved cannot lose the holy spirit. I don't claim to have all the answers and my faith is in christ until the end but anything other then a pre tribulation rapture just doesn't seem to align with scripture
with all do respect to john piper whom i love dearly his chalk talk is overly simplistic and he is imposing his points on the text. there are mysteries, and alegories, figures of speech time and scene changes making this subject complex enough that we need special eyes to see and ears to hear from God.
The plain reading of the text is what Mr Piper is conveying. It is correct and has been the consistent position of the Church throughout history, up until the mid 19th Century. This subject is not as complex as many would like to make it out to be. One does not need 'special eyes' and 'special ears' to understand what is plainly being taught here. Piper is correct. God bless
@@7seednew I don't think your comment is relevant to the discussion at hand. Be that as it may, you have a point. I would however like to say that the person to whom you are alluding, isn't an accurate representation of the protestant position of what a Christian looks like. Friend, nobody who does evil can claim the name of Christ, protestant or otherwise. To be sure, there would be many who confess to be 'Christian', but by their fruits you will know them. I wish you well. Take care...
Disagree here - "keep you from the trial" you are taking to mean "protect you *during* the trial" and that is not what is being communicated. Keep you from means that you are not present while the trial is taking place not simply shielded. GOD bless you but I think you are incorrect and hey if you are and you're a Christian we're both going to the same place eventually so this nitpick won't matter one bit in the fullness of time. GOD bless you sir!
I totally agree with pastor John. When I read or discuss the scriptures I refuse to have an opinion. I just believe what it says. The Word explains itself perfectly. Jesus gave us a chronological order of the end in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Immediately after the tribulation he's sending his angels to gather us all up at the sound of a trumpet. And the trumpet will be the last because the scripture says, not an opinion. 1 Cor 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." Let's believe the scriptures and prepare to endure till the end.
www.itwasaplan.com - “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Luke 21 -
I am grateful to say that I am a born again Christian and have been since I was 19.......folks these days are getting darker and Christ is coming soon and if you don’t know Christ as your savior then it burdens my soul to think that you are headed for a terrible place called Hell where the Bible says the fire is never quenched and the worm dies not! Folks you are not promised tomorrow! If you want to know how to be saved from this horrible reality then please by all means don’t hesitate to comment right back so I can lead you to the savior! 2 Corinthians 6:2 clearly states “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation!” And Hebrews 3:15 clearly states, “Today if you hear his voice don’t harden your hearts! it is not me but the Holy Spirit that I pray reveals to you the truth of his precious gospel......John 3:16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life! V 17 says then V 18 says whoever believes on the son is not condemned but whoever does not believe on the son is condemned already because he has not believed on the son whom God has sent! Also Acts 16:30-31 what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house I am not threatening anyone but just warning them what will happen if they reject this precious gift of eternal life! Christ died a horrible criminals death! He was beaten brutally mocked spit upon and endured countless hours of torture pain for all of our sins! Ppl go to hell because they reject that pardon for their sins! And Jesus is saying to them in Matthew 25:41 depart from me you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! Hell was only prepared for Satan and his angels! It is not God who threatens anyone it is the craziness of rejecting the free pardon of salvation! It’s like if you’re in court you’ve committed a crime say you murdered someone! Now if you say to that Judge hey I know I’ve done a terrible thing of murdering that person but I hear you’re a good judge and so I know you’ll be fair to me...... the judge is going to reply well yes you’re right about one thing I am a good judge and because I’m a good judge I’m going to see to it that you’re punished and that justice is served! Well then all of a sudden someone you don’t even know comes forward and says you know what I know he’s committed the crime he’s committed and he deserves to go to jail but I really don’t want to see him go to prison so I’ll just go to prison for him so he can go free! So if you accepted that offer you’d be free to leave the courtroom but if you didn’t well you’d be crazy and go to prison yourself! Well that’s exactly how it was 2,000 years ago! He is God in human flesh and he came to this earth lived a perfect sinless life and even though he knew that we had sinned and because of our sins deserved to die miserably but he said no I don’t want to see them suffer so I will go and take their punishment for them! Even though he did absolutely nothing wrong still he chose to take the punishment for our sins so we can be set free from the power bondages and consequences of our disobedience to God! Romans 5:8 says For God commends his love toward us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us! 1 John 2:2 says he was made to be the propitiation for our sins! And not just for our sins but the sins of the whole world! 2 Corinthians 5:21 He who knew no sin became Sin for us that we would be made his righteousness! The truth is if you had to get to Heaven by your own effort then you cannot do it! Because Romans 3:10 says there is not one that does good! No Not One! Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 6:23 says For the wages of sin is death! But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord! But the good news is Romans 10:9 If we confess with our mouth and believes in our hearts that Christ died for our sins then was raised from the dead we will be saved! V 10 For it’s with the heart we believe and it’s with the mouth confession is made unto salvation! God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we’ve broken every one of them! And because God is a good God he cannot allow our disobedience to him to go unpunished! Well then like I just mentioned above his son Jesus stepped forward and said no I don’t want to see them punished so I will take their punishment for them! And also like I said he died a terrible substitute criminal’s death for us on a cross so now all we have to do is accept that payment for our sins and we can escape the terrible wrath of God that is to fall on them who do not accept this atonement that was sacrificed for our sins! Praise the lord Romans 10:13 says Whoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved! And 1 Peter 1:4 you’re an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you! Christ clearly said in John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me! Acts 4:12 clearly states that there is no other name given unto Heaven or earth by which we must be saved as there is salvation in no other! Jesus clearly states that there is clearly only one way to Salvation and it’s him that’s it! There is no other way! God Bless everyone who reads!
Please check out Jd Farag Pretribulation Rapture, also Jack Hibbs Rapture, Amir tsarfati Rapture, as well as Billy Crone, Greg Laurie, Don Stewart and others, the Rapture is sound doctrine
Doesn't Revelation say the man of sin shall wage war with the saints and overcome them? Who is being kept from the hour of trial if antichrist overcomes them? let me know what you think
@@4bangerlove Actually I made an error there. I believe it refers to the 2 lampstands (churches), that become the 2 witnesses. They are protected from the majority of the tribulation until their testimo y is finished The hour is 42 months, and we can see this in revelation where 10 king's receive power one hour with the beast, which has it's authority for 42 months - it's not a literal hour
Where can you put the bridegroom in the place where the mansions are ?when do we go to the fathers house? Is the Beamer seat on the earth? Where is the reward ceremony?
“Where can you put the bridegroom in the place where the mansions are? Jn 14:2. When do we go to the Father’s house? 1 Thess 4:17. Is the (bema) seat on the earth? Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:9 (bema is Greek for judgement seat-where the victor in Greek games was awarded the laurel wreath, we will be awarded our imperishable award). Where is the reward ceremony? 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 4:2 (Also read 1 Thess 4:13-18, Lk 14:12-14, Rev 19:8, 2 Tim 4:8, 1 Cor 4:5). Order of events: Rapture Exaltation into the heavens with the Lord Examination before the Bema Rewards
It becomes apparent from the many explanations and deciphering's of these types of scriptures that to try to extrapolate a clear meaning of them may be futile. Those who try to give us their view on how they perceive these scriptures through their bible knowledge and biblical academic education only cause more questions and more doubts about who really knows what they mean. Anyone who strives to want to know the exact meaning to these scriptures can slave away for hours, days, weeks and even years but in the finality of their conclusions will only serve to make them believe what they researched and studied, their own truth. Of course some of the parts of scriptures are obvious to understand and we should take it as it is. But more important than all of this is this first. That as a Christian who has accepted Jesus as his savior, repented, living as a new creation following Christ to live a holy life dedicated to prayer, love for God and Christ and Holy spirit. Understanding that if you have all this that you have met that criteria to establish yourselves as true believers in Christ with the hope and promise of salvation and eternal life. If you have this within you and you truly believe it with all your heart and mind and soul, that when the day comes for Christ return and the end of this age, you will be ready for His return. Yes, study the Bible and learn all you can but remember that not all scripture is meant to fully be understood by man but if you are truly born again Christian then the future will be a joy to look forward to. Not that you will know exactly what will happen but that you will be one of those who will saved.
Beleivers, who died, are 'asleep' till the day of Jugement....day of wrath (not to be confused with tribulation) But we do not want you (believers) to be UNINFORMED, brothers, about those (the dead) who are asleep (beleivers who already died), that you may not grieve (over the dead) as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring WITH HIM those who have fallen asleep (who died that raised from the graves). For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are ALIVE (who came out of the great tribulation), who are LEFT until the coming of the Lord, WILL NOT PRECEDE those who have fallen asleep (who died for theirfaith). For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the TRUMPET of God (no secretrapture). And the dead in Christ (asleep) will rise FIRST (on the last day). Then we (who is still alive) who are alive, who are LEFT (after the great tribulation), will be caught up TOGETHER with them (the dead who has risen) in the clouds to MEET the Lord in the air, and so we (all believers) will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 ESV In short what it means is in the last hour on the last day, all believers will together meet Jesus in the clouds. Why in the clouds? Because the earth below them will be destroyed in that same hour. Jesus is not the father of confusion. He gives it in chronological order in Matthew 24 What is so difficult to understand? Theologians is not going to heaven.... Believers who are led by the Holy Spirit are.
This was a great argument FOR the pre-trib rapture! Thank you. I don’t imagine that any stance matters as long as you know Jesus as your Savior! But my argument is and has always been why would Jesus want His bride all battered and tattered? The Trib is for the Jewish nation, not the bride of Christ.
It's a bit narrow-minded to think that only we are His bride. There are millions of other christians around the world persecuted right now, especially in middle-eastern and asian countries. So, that part of the body of Christ will in fact be battered and tattered.
You both completely misunderstood what she was saying and why she feels so strongly about her belief in the sound Biblical pre-trib rapture. We, in no way consider ourselves greater than any other member of the body of Christ, especially those who do great work through great tribulation, even unto martyrdom for our Savior! We simply understand what the Bible proclaims concerning the final week of Daniel's 70 weeks (of years) prophecy for thy people (Israel) There has always been tribulation for the bride of Christ. That is abundantly clear from the day of Pentecost until today. But nothing will compare to what the final 7 years brings. Nothing happens outside the will of God and He allows Satan to kill multitudes during the tribulation period. Mass genocide that is unparalleled in history. He would not allow that upon His faithful bride on the eve of the wedding feast and John 14: 1-6 aligns with the Jewish wedding custom of the father preparing a place for the wedding feast! This is not something that we believe out of convenience or fear of facing persecution like is claimed by so many.
@@tabestorm5339 There are persecuted Christians all over the world, even right here right now in the USA and Canada. There have always been persecuted Christians, even since all the Apostles (save John) were martyred. There will be saints called the Tribulation saints that will accept Jesus as their Savior and they will either suffer unimaginable tribulations or be beheaded immediately! My point was we Christ-followers will not be here to experience the Great Tribulation because we Christ-followers will be raptured before that begins. I didn’t say we Christ-followers won’t and don’t experience tribulations.
@@teddyf.1173 Pretty sure I didn’t even address the well-off thing you bring up. Not even sure where that came from. Christ-followers are His bride, plain and simple.
I just want to know if I will suffer the judgements or be present for them. That's literally all I want to know is will I be here to witness abd taste them or not.
Matthew 13:24- 30, then 13:36-43 why are the weeds taken out first and the plants left? The ones left are the “sons of the kingdom” the ones taken out are the sons of the “sons of the evil one” so who’s raptured the saved or the unsaved?
You are mistaken. They are not taken out first...they are gathered first to be burned. Remember, the parable tells us that both the wheat and tares grow together UNTIL the harvest. When you uproot one, the other one is uprooted with it. You can't pull up the tares without harvesting the wheat at the SAME time. The wicked will be DEALT with first BEFORE the wheat enter the barn (aka New Jerusalem).
i'm only a layman, but from what I can understand, God can do what he wants, whenever and however he wants. I just gotta figure,why not a catching up out of trouble for believers?
Because God often uses suffering for his Glory as a witness for the lost. Suffering is never in vain and many that do the torturing come to Christ as a result. Do you love your enemies enough to suffer and die for them?
@@MarinanorYes and that is when Jesus returns, when God has had enough. I'm sorry but the rapture is not in the scriptures. Be ready in faith, you may love through it. Not all will be called to experience death.
@@Kiki-fe2le 1 Th 4:15 -17 = Res and rap at his coming. 1 Cor 15:51,52 elaborates, at the last trump, not before the first. Res first, then rap..caught up changed. Even Jesus concurs. ******* John six :39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should loose nothing, but should rise it up again at the LAST day. ******* John eleven :24 to 26. Martha said unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the RESURRECTION at the LAST day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. AND whosoever LIVETH and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? ******* We shall not prevent them which are asleep.= rapture follows the resurrection.
You nailed it brother I did not actually finish your video before I put my last comment but you definitely nailed it you just have to realize that is not us that is Israel and God is not finished with Israel after he takes us out meaning the body of Christ. Then this scenario will continue where he left off with Israel
Daniel 12 good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus, and they only take part in the First Resurrection
False teachers are here for sure. We’re not going to meet with Jesus Christ in the clouds and then, “OK hang in there; you got a little bit further to go and then I’ll be back for you again another time (3rd).
1st Thessalonians 5:9 for God did not appoint us to suffer Wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. John 14 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. RECEIVE you unto myself! That WHERE I AM, THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO! Finally in Revelation chapter 5 before one seal of the scroll is open the redeemed of the Lord are Before the Throne of God singing the song of the redeemed, which ONLY the redeemed can truly sing as angels and other majestic creatures of Heaven have not been redeemed! The saints of God are clearly singing Before the Throne of God before one event of the tribulation transpires. The tribulation period is a time of Jacob's trouble and the wrath of God is poured out upon the unbelieving and the god rejecting, Christ hating people. Christ paid it all on the cross. The saints of God are pictured with God in heaven escaping these events. In Luke chapter 21 Jesus clearly stated to pray always that we might be accounted worthy to escape all these things which will come up on the face of the whole Earth. Why would he tell us to pray that we might be found worthy to escape all these things if there wasn't an Escape Plan? Faithful. Loving. Merciful Heavenly Father! Also ask yourself this, why was Lot in his family removed before God's judgment was poured out upon Sodom and Gomorrah? Why was Noah tucked safely upon the ark with his family before the Judgment of the flood came? Why was Rahab saved first and then the city destroyed? Did Jesus not say that the gates of hell would not Prevail against his church? Why then is it given to Satan in the Book of Revelation to overcome the tribulation Saints? Seems to me the church just might be safely tucked in heaven with the Lord? My God protects his own and does not pour his own wrath out on his children. That is for the unbelieving and the ungodly. Israel's blindness will be removed through that time and they will be saved but I can assure you that Revelation 19 shows the bride of Christ returning with Christ when they look upon whom they have pierced as recorded in Zachariah....
Does it really matter if we're being raptured away and kept safe during the tribulation or stay until after the tribulation? Yes. It does. Think about how many people we can bring to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as their savior when they are experiencing such great desperation. That should make any Christian jump for joy! By believing that we will just be raptured away and everyone left will be left to suffer seems pretty selfish to me. Why does it matter if we also have to suffer for Christ? Doesn't God's word say to rejoice in hardship? God appointed us, humans, Christians, to go out into all the world and spread his Gospel. Why would he take us and keep us from doing that? If there are those who will be saved during that time, who is leading them to salvation?
@Rawkfist1501 I don't understand what your point is. Did I say that we shouldn't boast in the name of Jesus? If the truth is that once Jesus comes, and there is no longer any way for anyone to know Jesus, why would anyone teach that people have a second chance to be saved after the rapture? Doesn't that give people a reason to continue in sin if they believe they can get right with God after he raptures out his children?
One thing i have always pondered on are the scriptures where Jesus said that I will come like a thief, at an hour you least expect in Matthew. He then repeats to one of the 7 churches in Revelation. Paul and Peter also described the coming of the Lord as a thief in the night when people are sleeping. Then other scriptures clearly state the terrible that will precede just before he pierces out of the cloud with great glory and power and the whole world will see him. To me it sounds like there are two things that might there be 1) the possible catching up and meeting the Lord in the air before or in the middle of the tribulation which other people (unbelievers) will not partake of 2) Jesus returning to the world with saints and angels after end of tribulation as revelation and other scripture says. The explanation in this video is hard to understand where we hear that we will be caught up and return with him back. What about the scriptures where Jesus said two will be in the field and one will taken and other left behind?
Taken doesn't mean taken.....taken means killed. You are reading a translated book. Please allow for that. Same reason people do not keep the sabbath col 2: 16 misled them greatly. Translated book.
For the life of me i don't understand why these people would even consider the fact that God would pour out his wrath onto his children, There is definitely a pre-tribulation rapture,
@@daniticasimmons I also believe in pre-tribulation, but don't forget that here in the west, we don't suffer from persecution, but that doesn't mean there is no persecution in the world. There are soooo many christians persecuted right now. So, I don't know if that's really a good reason to believe in pre-trib.
So with everything that’s happening In Afghanistan we can expect the seriousness of the tribulation soon. what’s nice is we’re told eventually after seven years it’s all going to end and Jesus will come to save us we just need to hold on. The one nice thing I see about tribulation is that at least we will definitely know that after seven years Jesus is comping it’s not like how we’re always told “better watch out Jesus will come like a thief” at least we know know how when he is coming. The most stressful thing for me was always “oh what if Jesus just appears randomly during my moment of weakness etc Quick question how come the Bible say as we do not know the day or the hour of His coming; but we will have a strong clue as to the timing because of the 7 year trib right?
@Cj Kim Laysico Well I guess you need to show me where God said that he would no longer have a Covenant w/ Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You may assume that. The 24 elders are Jews in Heaven judging the 12 tribes. Jesus is a Jew and will be a Jew forever. Replacement theology has no place in the Bible. Don't become a proud grafted in branch because you can be broken off. Romans 11: 17-24.
Yes we are but not for 7 years.The book of Revelation 11 shows that when the 7th trumpet is blown,it has come the time for Jesus to reign,to judge the dead and give rewards to the saints.This clearly speaks about the day of 'rapture'(ressurection,transformation of alive believers and cought up in the clouds,receiving rewards as it is seen throughout the New Testament). From chapter 11-16 we are shown what happens during tribulation until the 7 vials of God's wrath are poured on earth.Until ch. 11 we read about saints on earth,but during the 7 vials there is no meantion.. So maybe during this time at the end when the vials are poured the wedding is taking place.The vials don't necesarrily show that it takes years or months,rather it seems they happen in rapid succession,maybe some days. Revelation 20 says the first ressurection of the saints is after Tribulation/at the end(because all those who did not receive the mark,number,didn't worship the beast etc are included in the first ressurection,and clearly they had to go through Tribulation in order to overcome the beast even unto death). If the rapture takes place before Tribulation(and the rapture cannot be before the ressurection),then we would have to assume these happy saints in Rev 20 will miss the wedding which people assume is happenning during Tribulation.
Not sad to say you are wrong. Keep reading Grasshopper, you will get it figured out. Stop listening to John and his way ward teaching about Israel and you will be very suprised.
@@tudfrey Agreed! JOHN PILER is replacement theology thinking God is done with Israel since we have replaced the true nation of Israel. Follow Behold Israel a truest devote Christian a messianic Jew teaching on the whole scripture. So many verses showing the church is not present in the end times. What is the purpose of the tribulation when the restrainer aka the Holy Spirit is gone? The church is gone since the Holy Spirit isn’t indwelling us anymore. The key to understanding the end times is also knowing Jewish culture, traditions and the feasts. Sorry John, your teaching leads those astray. Saddened...
Ok when he says those that are alive and remain means if you haven’t died yet and still here on earth when He returns, we will all be changed, the good, the bad and the ugly. Not some but all will be changed. Gods gave us all common sense, all you have to do is ask God for wisdom and knowledge of His understanding of His word. He will give it to you. Don’t be like the heathens.
So then, there’s no formal ending to the dispensation of Grace ( 2Th 2: 3-6) and no merit in believing by faith. We all faithful believers will roll into the horrors of The Tribulation together with the unbelieving Jews and fight for our chance of salvation ... Confusing indeed brother John ! A Lot of copying and pasting is needed to beat the simple, straight forward truth of The Rapture.
Amen.. people don't realize that the gospel of 2day is not the gospel in the tribulation.. that is grace+works.. so how else can the rapture not be pretrib.. when the gospel will be changed.. they take vs out of context and fit wherever they think its right.. without rightly dividing the word of truth 2tim2 ::--15..
There's two different kinds of suffering. . One you see and recognize. One you are neglecting with this interpretation. There is nothing but suffering in the world for the righteous. . Not one day. Not one hour. Is there a moment in time that passes by that suffering is not present. . This suffering is internal. It's silent. It's the suffering of the one. . This suffering. . Is spiritual suffering, for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven that is to come. This suffering is recognizing the iniquity all around you. Knowing full well that the end of this suffering, is the end of all the godless forever and ever. . It cuts like a double edged sword for us whom suffer. . Why? Because that once was me also. . It was once all of us. . Just like the world who is perishing. . If God did not tarry with me for the first 30 years and 4 months of my life, I would be on a one way ticket to hell. . "A train that won't stop going no way to slow down". . . But God did tarry with me. . I had time to fall in love, and recognize God. And in his patience i who was lost, had enough time left to be found. . But when the forceful rapture of the faithful commences. . That time has run out of tarry. . That time for others. . Has expired. . Knowing full well that the coming of the lord to remove his people, to raise up new Jerusalem, means the end of my suffering. My internal suffering. But it also means the end of the time that i was given so graciously. . For others. . Suffering internally, suffering in the spirit. . It's far more painful then suffering in the flesh. . Those who suffer in the spirit, they are who are taken. . While those who were incapable of suffering in the spirit, those who have not been born again in an age of a reprobate world. . . They will suffer in the flesh. . Because spirit suffering they didn't desire. . Flesh they did. . In those days after the great catching away. . No more will anyone suffer silently in the spirit. . Their flesh will suffer. It will be torn limb from limb. Devoured by the world. . A different kind of suffering. . Because they chose not to know the lord and suffer silently, get to know him in the spirit, before that alloted time ran out. . Some people learn from nothing but words. Spoken words of correction is enough. Yet others learn nothing from words. Spoken words then must turn to a rod. . The tribulations is this rod. . Without the flesh going through tribulations for some. . It cannot be redeemed and refined. . The tribulations is the worse way of refinement. . Yet that is the broad road that many, will enter into. .
What bothers me and everyone seems to be over looking is how he says “second 2nd coming” and “final 2nd coming”. There’s only a 2nd coming not a 3rd. When Jesus returns it’s at the end of tribulations. Don’t let your fear of being here during those days blind you from that. In Matthew 16:28 it says Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” People see that this says “won’t taste death” but when? UNTIL (what does until mean? You won’t taste death UNTIL HE COMES which means you will die when he comes. We all must die to receive our new bodies.) you see Jesus and his KINGDOM that’s at the END of tribulations. Please please read revelations 3:2-3 it says comes like a thief AGAINST YOU! people always hear he’s coming like a thief in the night as if that’s a good thing. Jesus said out of his mouth I will come like in the days of Noah. Well the ones taken were killed by the flood and the ones left were Noah and his family. Jesus died. His apostles died. Every single person in history died or will die in their flesh bodies. We get stuck on the rapture and forget about the RESURRECTION! We will rise again! That’s what it means to not feel the sting of death. You won’t feel fear ehen you’re about to die if you know you will Resurrect!
A strong passage in the hands of post-tribulationists has been 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8. The following description of Christ's coming with fire and vengeance could only refer to His return after the tribulation: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8). The word "rest" in this passage is a noun, not a verb. God will recompense "rest" to us after the tribulation. If rest comes after the tribulation, the argument goes, then the rapture comes after the tribulation. But do rest and rapture come at the same moment? Does rest mean rapture? This is the unanswered question. God will recompense two things: "tribulation" and "rest." "Rest" for believers comes after the tribulation, as post-tribs are quick to point out. Ah, but what about "tribulation" for unbelievers? When does that come? Does "tribulation" also come after the tribulation? Obviously we need to do some unraveling or both post-tribs and pre-tribs will get tangled up in this passage. We pull first on the one loose string which we can agree upon. We all know that "tribulation" for unbelievers begins seven years earlier, but it culminates at the end when the Lord takes fiery vengeance. You see, the word "tribulation" can be used in two ways. Usually when we say "tribulation" we mean the period of tribulation. But Paul in this passage uses "tribulation" to mean God's vengeance at the end of the period. So the answer is yes, "tribulation" (in the narrow sense) occurs after the "tribulation" (in the broad sense). Now, if Paul uses "tribulation" in the narrow sense, then what about "rest"? Usually when we say "rest" we mean rest in the broad sense, relief from persecution, escape from trouble. Rapture is rest in the broad sense. Rapture is relief from persecution. Rapture is escape. But Paul has a more specific meaning in mind for "rest." For him "rest" means the glory of the Lord being revealed in the saints. Let me explain further. Or rather let Paul himself explain further, because Paul has a habit of introducing a topic and then explaining later on, and Paul's own explanations are the best commentaries that I have ever found. After introducing "tribulation" in verse 6, Paul explains in verses 8-9 what he means by "tribulation." It is vengeance and destruction. After introducing "rest" in verse 7, Paul explains in verse 10 what he means by "rest." "Rest" means glory and admiration. The Lord's glory shines forth in us, and others will behold with wonder and astonishment because they see that God is in us. That is rest in the fullest sense. It is not mere relief from persecution. Relief is only half rest. It is not mere escape from trouble. Escape is only half rest. It is not the rapture he is talking about. Rapture is only half rest. As wonderful as the rapture is, that is not all we look forward to. After the rapture sin still reigns on the earth. God is still scorned. Neither are the raptured believers recognized and vindicated. Even though we are in heaven, no one else knows it. They might think we were taken away by UFOs. No one who truly loves righteousness could be content with this half-rest condition. We long for that final victory when God reveals Himself to the whole world, when righteousness finally defeats sin, and when the whole world admires us for who we really are. When you and I come riding down from the sky on those white horses (Revelation 19:14), then those who knew us on earth will stand their with mouths gaping in astonishment. "They were not crazy after all! God is in them!" That's more than release. That's vindication. This is not my feeling alone, because the martyrs in Revelation 6:9-11 feel the same way. These martyrs, even though they are in heaven, do not have full rest. "They cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" They are told to rest temporarily until the time for the full and natural rest that Paul talks about. Why are they not satisfied having full rest? Do they long for their resurrection bodies? No. They long for God's vengeance. Having relief for themselves does not satisfy. My friend, as wonderful as the rapture is, it is not our final hope. Going up is rapture. Coming down is glory (whether one second later or seven years later). Paul centers on the second part, glory, when he speaks of "rest." So 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7 must be unraveled completely. We cannot leave half of it still tangled. Just as "tribulation," in the full sense, comes after the tribulation, so "rest" in the full sense comes after the half-rest of the rapture. Both "tribulation" and "rest," in the broad sense, begin seven years earlier; but both culminate at the end. Now post-tribs can assume that "rest" means rapture and thereby "prove" that the rapture comes after the tribulation. And if I wanted to I could assume that "tribulation" means the seven-year period and thereby "prove" that the rapture occurs at the identical moment the tribulation begins. But such assuming misses the point of Paul altogether. Paul is not talking about rapture. I will let Paul define his own words as he explains "tribulation" in verses 8 and 9, and as he explains "rest" in verse 10.
christinprophecy.org/articles/2-thessalonians-2-3/ This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument Tommy presented that was most convicting to me was his revelation that the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.” They were as follows:1 The Wycliffe Bible (1384) The Tyndale Bible (1526) The Coverdale Bible (1535) The Cranmer Bible (1539) The Great Bible (1540) The Beeches Bible (1576) The Geneva Bible (1608) Tommy also noted that the Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s - Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” - rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which means “departure.”
Right on! That will be after the tribulation of those days. Those who have been deceived by Satans lie (pre and mid tribulalation) will be released from their strong delusion when the judgements begin to fall. The hail and fire will sweep away ;the lies. Satan will tempt them to hate God, accuse God of delaying His coming, and will not be sober when God does come.
Let me get this straight. God is going to take HIS bride, the Church, through the Great and Terrible Tribulation. Then Rapture them at the end of the Tribulation. To bring them back w/ HIM. When do we have the Wedding Feast for 7 years? If we get raptured then suddenly return w/ HIM to rule and reign. When is the Bema Seat judgement? When do we get our crowns, when is the wedding feast? When do we cast our crowns at HIS feet? According to you we go through the tribulation, get a sack lunch and return as soon as we get to heaven. Who is the Bride? Who are the Tribulation Saints. How do you explain Revelation 3:10?
So when we die we do not go onto heaven? We wait in the grave. So many pastors talk about being with the Lord but this scripture makes it clear we will sleep until He comes back for His saints.
Jesus is here now, how are people getting saved if God is not here now after you believe the gospel (Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day - 1 cor. 15:3-4 kjv ) , you are born again..that means you are seated in heavenly places now once you physically you die, your spirit born from God (Jesus - eternal Spirit - john 4:24 kjv) returns back home, and your flesh returns back to where it came from, which is this earth (as does all flesh, since it's corrupt) God (Jesus- eternal Spirit) raised the man Christ Jesus from the dead
I cannot wait to see Jesus Christ, whether i see Him in the clouds or after death. I cannot wait to meet Him. Jesus is an inspiration to us all.
You will easily recognise him.
He looks very much like Osama bin Laden.
Not many middle East men look like that.
God saved my life and helped me .Thank you Lord for everything.
Amen! Praise God!!
He also saved Lazarus.
Saved mine as well
Im not sure why so many are so confused about the rapture of the church. To me, the text is clear!!! Thank you Jesus. Waiting to be perfected and with you, praising your glorious name, always!!!!
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The original Greek wording in Revelation 3:10 is "Ek tEs hOras" which means out of the hour. So it reads "shall be kept *out of* the hour of temptation." The church will be kept out of it. It is a specific appointed time we're kept out of.
I love the sequence of Chapter 3 because Jesus says in verse 8 "...behold, I have set before thee an *open door* ..."
Verse 11: Behold, I come quickly.
Verse 20 "Behold, I stand at the *door* and knock:"
The very next chapter 4:1 John sees a door open in heaven and a voice like a trumpet says "Come up here!"
Then Jesus (Lamb) opens the seals in Chapter 6:1 and all heck starts breaking loose. Chapter 16:1 is Gods wrath. Revelation is in chronological order.
The church is mentioned 19-times in chapters 1-3 then never again, a door is opened in heaven and John goes up (picture of the Rapture) Then the Tribulation chapters begin in Chapters 6-19. Chapter 19, Christ comes down for his second coming and establishes his Kingdom. He reigns for 1,000 years. Chapter 20 uses the word 1,000 multiple times, so it's not obscure.
Also, the original Greek wording for 1 Peter 4:17 reads “Seeing that the season to begin the judgement *FROM the House of God* ...the finish of the ones being stubborn to Gods message." This is similar to “finish the transgression” in Daniel 9:24. To finish the stubbornness.
Who are the stubborn ones? Israel. Isaiah 48 is about how stubborn Israel is. Verse 4 “I knew how stubborn you were. Your neck muscles were as unbending as iron. Your forehead was as hard as bronze.” So 1 Peter 4 is not saying judgement is coming to the house of God. It’s coming FROM it. This passage is about Israel. The body of Christ has never been referred to as stubborn.
Enjoyed your video! Thank you for showing Jesus' assurances for the church. Because the 7-year Tribulation is for the salvation of Israel (Daniel 9:24)
Daniel 12 Tells us good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 Says only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus and they only take part in the First Resurrection
@@squirreljones3595 Right, about Revelation 20 because they’re the great multitude that are saved by hearing the gospel from the 144,000 preaching it, the two prophets preaching it and by the angel flying around the globe preaching it. God appoints these bc the church isn’t there to do it anymore. We’ve been removed.
Those that reign with Christ bc they refused the mark are the Tribulation saints. They’re saved in the Tribulation. This isn’t the church saints. We come *with* Christ at his second coming at Armageddon. We’ve been celebrating in heaven for seven years at the wedding feast of the bride and groom.
@@HarpazoReady2022 if the church was removed at rapture. Then the tribulation saints removed at First Resurrection. Than how can there still be people in the Book of Life, amongst the dead. Revelation 20 15
@@HarpazoReady2022 then after 7 years we return to earth and live on earth ruling over humans who did not receive a glorified body (ive forgot which body of believers these are) Ruling in new Jerusalem for 1000 years correct? from my understanding heaven isnt the final destination but earth is
We all must do our part and spread the good news be bold be brave be humble be quick be blessed
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,…
Matthew 13:20-21
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.
Ephesians 6:13-14
“Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…”
It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand.
Hebrews 10:35-39
Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, “Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”
But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
At the end of Luke 17, Jesus answered the Pharisees about the coming of the kingdom and immediately spoke the parable of the persistent widow to teach the disciples to always pray and not lose heart concluding with “when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18:8. The servants in the Master’s house need meat in due season.
Matthew 24:45-46 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes…”
Hallelujah Thank You Lord God!!!!!!
Amen!
Thank You Sir For Your Clear Teaching Of Second Coming Of The Our Dear Lord !
I Am Really Blessed God Bless You And Your Family!
There will be tribulation saints who will be saved and not bow to the Anti Christ. Oh how easy it will be for that monster to communicate with the whole world with digital media....
The rapture stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 will one day soon come to pass as the Bible says so, it has to be so.
Only believers who are committed to the Lord will be snatched up to be with the Lord forever.
How is it that YOU can claim
“Only believers who are COMMITTED to the Lord will be snatched up.”
MY LORD saved ALL BELIEVERS! There is nothing biblical that says one must be COMMITTED to be saved or raptured..
Here is what the Bible DOES SAY about the criteria for salvation..
“And by him all that BELIEVE are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39 KJV
“And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I DO TO BE SAVED ? And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and THOU SHALT BE SAVED, and thy house.”
Acts 16:30-31 KJV
“These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God.”
1 John 5:13 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES in him should not perish, but HAS EVERLASTING LIFE .” John 3:16 KJV
“He that BELIEVES on him is not condemned: but he that believeth NOT is condemned already, because he hath NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 3:18 KJV
“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should BELIVE AND BE SAVED .”
Luke 8:12 KJV
“Whosoever BELIEVES that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” 1 John 5:1 KJV
“But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE.”
Galatians 3:22 KJV
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he THAT BELIEVES in me, though he were dead, yet shall he LIVE : And whosoever liveth and BELIEVES in me shall NEVER die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26 KJV
“Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto ALL and upon ALL them THAT BELIEVE; for there is no difference:”
Romans 3:22 KJV
“But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we BELIEVE on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;”. Romans 4:24 KJV
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.”
Romans 10:4 KJV
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that BELIEVE.”. 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV
“Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH without the deeds of the law.”
Romans 3:28 KJV
“But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVES on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5
“Even as Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
Galatians 3:6 KJV
“But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: BELIEVE ONLY , and she shall be made whole.”
Luke 8:50 KJV
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou SHALL BE SAVED . For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
“And this is his commandment, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”
1 John 3:23-24
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall CALL on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED .”
Acts 2:21 KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED , ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise,”
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
@@44099 I agree I would say watch the video again.
Has anyone actually told you Phua what the Rapture actually is as it seems that someone has told you a lie about what the Rapture is?
Tell me something. How is it people will be drinking and marrying and having a good time when all these trials and tribulations, boils and such as in the days of noah? Something doesn't make sense. I don't think anybody will be having a good time even half way through the tribulation
Because it ain't talking about the believers the saints. We will be in persecution and the world will be in false peace and safety. They will be given into marriage and drinking and living life like normal. Because the Antichrist and the Beast system is established by then. Just like in the days of Noah. Noah and his family we're in the ark while outside the ark people were living life like normal. While Noah and his family we're in the ark for 7 days then after that when Noah was 600 years old. The fountains of the deep broke through and the rain fell. Just like that. Sudden destruction. So yeah it makes perfect sense. We will not be living life like normal but everyone else who takes the mark of the Beast and are under that system will continue life like normal and Just like in the days of Noah sudden destruction will come.
Exactly
I can explain it to you, not the whole church will be raptured it will be divided into 2 groups the church of philadelphia/5 wise virgins/raptured church and the church of Laodicea/ 5 unwise virgins/lukewarm church/ left behind church. Matt 24: 36- 51 is right before and about the rapture. The church of Laodicea will stay to be tried! I wrote a comment with a full explanation on this same video if you want to read it.
@Mike Bromeo You probably didnt even read the full explanation with biblical text in the other comment but its ok, if you want to stay, God gave us free will! Blessings.
child of God The great tribulation ENDS before Jesus return. Matthew 24:29 "“Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not..." Mark 13:24 "But in those days, AFTER that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not..."
most people dont take into account time in heaven is different than time on earth. the scene keeps switching from earth to heaven. with this the time changes.
You mean one day in heaven is like a thousand years and a thousand years in heaven as one day.
This is the best explanation I’ve heard. The parable of the bridegroom make this really clear. Thank you John!
Thank you JEHOVAH GOD For Everything you do. Amen
it makes no sense for Jesus to meet us half way and go up and then immediately turn right around and come back with him. God's judgement for the wicked is not for his bride. I don't understand everything
"To meet" is used three more times in the bible. Compare scripture with scripture and allow the author to define his own terms. Acts twenty eight :14,15,16. The folks "meet" Paul and then continue with Paul to Rome. It makes perfect sense when you use the bible to interpret the bible instead of opinions. There are several Greek words translated as "meet".
Isn't it interesting God using this definition here? correctly for the true picture.
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Did Israel receive God's plagues of wrath in Egypt? No, for they were protected, and so are we for we have the pure blood of the spotless Lamb applied.
he doesnt meet us half way. we go to heaven for the wedding supper of the lamb if we are "Wise virgins" robed in white with oil in our lamps. those who are outside go through the tribulation. when we are in heaven time changes. we are outside of earths time. therefore we cannot draw time in a linear fashion. "to God a day is as a thousand years" if the tribulation is 3.5 second part of the 7 years then we may be in heaven long enough for a wedding and a honeymoon. lol
@@flamingrobin5957 amen so true
Why doesn't it make sense?
Yeah this guys teaching wrong doctrine I wouldn’t listen to him anymore
Jesus Christ is SAVIOR.
Thanks for the keen observation/analysis, suffering for injustice has been common among non believers/other religion followers as well in our 6000yrs history, we are blessed with God's companion along the way!
that makes heaps of sense. the best interpretation i have ever heard
A very interesting exposition. Makes me rethink a lot of things
The fact that you are admitting that you're willing to rethink things because of this presentation shows great promise in your walk with Christ You are about to get very very excited Because things are going to open up to you like never before I have not done any videos yet but I will But there are plenty of video's available right now I'm rightly dividing the word of truth I would recommend starting with Justin Johnson I believe it's ambassador Church if you search rightly dividing Justin Johnson you'll find it on CZcams this would be a very good place to start rightly dividing I have a whole lot of division in it as well as any other but when you learn the basic truths about your Bible on what is actually for you it is amazing how clear Things become
Isaiah 26:20-21
[20]Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.
[21]For behold, the Lord is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
It will be very difficult for the gentiles to receive salvation after the rapture, because only the house of Noah was saved in that tribulation. Enoch, Christians, will have been snatched away. And therefore, the Lord will have the house of Israel to preserve and prepare for the second coming when the tribulations ticks in.
Remember, the man of lawlessness will only be revealed when He that restrains him is taken out of the way. The church is the holy habitation of the Holy Spirit. When the church is taken away, then the Holy Spirit, too, is taken away.
That's when the anti - Christ will be revealed.
Heinz Mboya, I see evidence of a revival after the rapture. The 144,000 in Revelation 7 come from all tribes, including the 10 from Ephraim that were scattered to the nations. That harkens back to the prophesy in Ezekiel 37 when two sticks (Judah and Ephraim for Joseph) were twisted together and God revealed that he would bind them back together one day.
And this must be their binding together because time has run out. If this is not that, I’d like to see where it happened in the past.
So, the Jew’s eyes will be opened at the rapture, then with the help of the two witnesses, a revival of Jew and Gentile will spread around the world.
Heinz Mboya, that’s not to say many won’t be deceived because that’s prophesied, too.
So we go up, meet Jesus in the clouds, and then immediately turn around and come back down??
My thoughts exactly. It seems his argument is self-refuting, doesn't it?
The Greek word used for “meeting” was used in the ancient world to refer to the meeting/welcome an approaching dignitary would receive. The people of the city would go out to meet the dignitary, and the whole assembly would enter the city together. This is the picture Paul is conveying, contra the popularized notion of the Rapture as an invisible pre-return Return of Christ to snatch away the church.
It all boils down to "nobody knows". If God would have wanted us to know exactly how He will accomplish it, He would have been very specific in His word. He wasnt. I believe that He wants each of His children to live their life in anticipation that today might be the day. Pride wont let people say "Idont know".
The Lord is our Shepherd. We are His sheep. We know His voice. I believe our Shepherd will gather us, His sheep, before the storms come. He wants to protect us.
Right, He did that for Noah, Rahab, and Lot.
Grace Everready AMEN!
The storm is his wrath, not tribulation
Read a Ephesians you are not a sheep you are a part of the body of Christ you are in Christ and Christ is in you you are not Israel today is the dispensation of Grace
Rather, He desires us to have fruit.
It says it will be like the days of Noah in those days God has let Noah know about the flood to come and has saved him cause he was a saved one. The same will happen to the ones who are saved right now
To those that believe in the PRETRIBULATION false doctrine:
2 Timothy 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
King James Version (KJV)
Jesus Christ is coming back after the Tribulation according to the Word of God.
Please listen to Dr. Walter Martin video "Tribulation Rapture" to tell us where the false doctrine of pretribulation came from.
let us Share The Gospel of christ to all social media group as Rapture is nearer and Closer,All ABBA Father beloved!!
marcuswongcheehong,
The rapture cannot come until the Beast is revealed, the abomination is set up, the false prophet comes on the scene, many Christians are beheaded, the Great Falling Away from the faith, and the dead in Christ are resurrected.
Now, Erdogan of Turkey (Magog/Assyria) is actively reviving the Ottoman Empire (the Final Beast will be the revival of the exact same Empire that followed the Roman Empire in the Middle East -Rev. 17.) So, when that is complete and Erdogan is replaced in favor of Imam Mahdi, and a man calling himself "Issa" is declared to be the real Jesus, and begins telling Christians and jews that they must convert to Islam, and a Minaret is placed on the Temple Mount requiring all who hear to immediately bow and recite a prayer of allegiance to a false god...then we can start looking for the rapture.
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I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest KEEP THEM FROM the evil. John 17 :15
Tribulation is God's way of describing his plagues of wrath in Egypt.
Deut 4 :32, Ex 15 :7. They were protected, for they had the pure blood of the lamb applied.
Ex 12 :13
Hi, I think you forgot to finish the last bit of John 17:15...keep the from the evil one.
FYI not taking sides on this, just thought a complete quotation of the text is important to accurately exegete the text.
@@patkul2 New modern slop rag versions change doctrine.
KJV has no errors like these modern Jesuit Protestant fakers.
Your perversion is incorrect.
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A pre-trib Jesuit planted changed verse.
Matthew 24:40-42
King James Version
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Not to sure why people assume we won’t be raptured. Pretty easy to understand. As far as Matthew 24:40-42 but here is another
Revelation 3:10
King James Version
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The hour of trial. No Christian would live in the great tribulation. The anti christs purpose will be to kill all Christians. His word would not say KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION. If we’re gonna get killed.
Also dude should of kept reading. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13
2 Thessalonians 2:1-13
King James Version
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Talking about the body of Christ. Jesus followers, Holy Spirit, etc.
Christians being raptured would also save a lot of souls cause everyone would be like “where are the Jesus followers?” “They were right this whole time!!” If we continued through the tribulation. People would be saying/ doing what they’re and have been doing this whole time. Makes sense to me.
But regardless if we stay for tribulation it shouldn’t matter. Jesus is the way! Be born again and be guided with the Holy Spirit
@@maczaira3877 I think A LOT of saints won't have crown of righteousness
You might auto Or watch some of your basic rightly dividing the word of Truth videos ultimately what you will find is that everything you are pointing to is for Israel some people would say the Jews you are in the body of Christ you are saved by grace we're living in a Time called the dispensation of Grace this was taught by Paul but completely different gospel than what Jesus did Jesus was talking to Israel he was preaching the kingdom preparing them for the kingdom to come you my friend are not going that the kingdom you are going to heaven you were going to be taken out of this world by Jesus directly to heaven you will pass go when you will not collect your $200 LOL it is direct images for the body of Christ we're saved by grace through faith not of their own but a gift from God and no works read Ephesians learn the power that you have in your salvation God changes you you cannot do anything to earn your salvation you cannot do anything to keep it but you will change if you have faith walk in the faith believe study and learn
Acts 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV) 9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Christ (the head) was taken up in the air. I think these verses in Acts show us how the body of Christ will also be taken up in the clouds to meet the Lord , the head, in the air. (As mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.).
Shirley Mercier we do not need women speaking here
@@EF2000CanFly aka baal-zebub, fly away.
ezekiel 13.20 "Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly."
@@ubot982 shhhhhhh
@@EF2000CanFly why not?
Well that teaching certainly blew me away I could have done better in this life to the betterment of your kingdom and for this I ask for your forgiveness Lord Jesus. I thank you God whenever you come back. Be with me as my health is fading. Help me do your will with all time left.
The timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are pre-tribulational (the rapture occurs before the tribulation), mid-tribulational (the rapture occurs at or near the mid-point of the tribulation), and post-tribulational (the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation). A fourth view, commonly known as pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the mid-tribulational position. First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time. The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together. Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation. @DesiringGod
Thankful for you John Piper. Though this is a hard, divisive teaching, you shared your thoughts and opinions in a respectful manner, and for those who do not agree with you, I hope they realize this is not a hill to die on and that no one knows FOR SURE how this will all play out. Jesus is returning we know that for sure. :)
We know for sure, we have read the whole bible. He comes only once more with sword in mouth there are no second chances. God reveals himself to commandment keepers because he saved us and we show our love for HIM. We are not freemason indoctrinated, or religiously indoctrinated by Pharisees that are taught today by men. We Are lead by the Almighty Teacher Yahushua who came in His Fathers name Yahweh and He is God who Does not change.
@@johnp3081 I have never read one of your books,but I have heard your name,and I agree with you concerning this one and only coming of our Lord,we meeting him at that time and returning back to the earth with him to set up his kingdom.
Thank you bro. Piper
There is only one truth.
While people judge unrighteously they will be caught up in the air blindsided.
Hello Kelli, the main reason why it is so Divisive is because so many have never ever been Taught the Truth about what the English Word "Rapture" means NOR how that word is used in English Literature!
Then we have the False Teaching by many of when the Rapture takes place as though it could happen right now instead of Repeating what Jesus and Paul Taught about the Rapture!
We must all Learn the Truth!
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Revelation 1:7 Behold he is coming with the clouds and Every eye will see him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen!
This is how he will return... as he Left with the clouds, he'll return with the clouds. With the voice of an Archangel, and the lawless one of will be destroyed with the Brightness of his coming.
when the saints are caught up.. if they are caught up to heaven first which i believe they will. they will be outside of time. its possible that they will be out of the trials and come back with jesus. there is no reason to believe that this catching away has to return immediately.
Correct! Why would the Lord have us endure hell on earth when he laid the price on the cross for us? Propitiation. Check out behold Israel ministry for better teaching!
Christ dying on the cross is for our sins and eternal life it’s not an escape from persecution plenty of disciples went through persecution some didn’t.
@@Wdym41 Already believers endure ridicule & persecution why be subjected to another persecution?
Revelation 3 vs 10...we shall escape the wrath
If we go through wrath same time how will unbelievers start believing?
Also 10 virgins parable remember
I. God is a rescuer. When He flooded the earth he first provided a safe place for the Noah and his family. Other examples throughout the OT. 2. The Holy Spirit must be removed in order for the Great Tribulation to happen in the last 3.5 yrs. The HS lives in US therefore it is logical to think it is us who are removed first. 3. The angels said Jesus would return in the same way he was leaving them. It says He arose while blessing them...not like lightening streaking across the sky, as described in His second coming. They obviously saw Him for some time as the were looking up long enough for the angel to ask them, "what are you looking at?". So the two returns are completely different in their entrance. 4. It also says that when we meet Him in the air, we will enjoy a feast with Him in Heaven. So is John saying we are taken up to Christ, have a quick meal, come back with Him just moments later to establish The Kingdom? And maybe the people who are left are the ones who suffer during the trib. Just asking along with new Christians.. No need to answer. Still working it out after 50 yrs of reading the Word. He has some great points though. He could be right. I'm not waiting for either. I just am watching for whatever happens. Blessings.
I am an ELCA Lutheran from South Carolina. Today (November 8, Pentecost 23), this was our New Testament Lesson (or Epistle) of the Day.
I was listing to a pastor that only speaks about buying gold, yes, he's talking about salvation
I think I am going back to another group that speaks about being faithful to the word of God
Search for rightly dividing the word of truth on CZcams
Also if that 7 year tribulation period in Daniel 9 is referred to as "JACOB's Trouble" (which is a reference to the tribulation the jews will face for rejecting Jesus) isnt it replacement theology to assume that God is lumping in THE CHURCH with ISRAEL. I think we have to be hygienic as Chuck Missler would say when we analyze the scripture because it's very easy to confuse the period in which God deals with Isreal with the Church Age or the Age of Grace. Rapture has to happen before 2nd Coming or else the Church who didnt reject the Messiah would be in the world experiencing the same tribulation that the Jews are facing for rejecting Jesus. Does that make sense? Why would God prophesy something for his people, Israel, 4000 years ago and then change his mind and include his Church in that prophesy when the Church is not mentioned in the original prophesy in Daniel 9.
I believe for Gods Word to be consistent it rapture HAS to be pre-tribulation or else the Body of Christ, the Church would face the same tribulation meant for the HOUSE of Israel (aka the HOUSE OF GOD as you mentioned in 1 Peter 4:17). Its also ironic to considering that Peter was known to be the evangelist for the Jews back in the day so It'd make sense that his epistle would address House of God (ISRAEL) rather than the Body of Christ (THE CHURCH). Anyways lemme know what y'all think
100% agree with you wholeheartedly. I think many people rejecting the pre-tribulation rapture are being "realists". What i mean by that is, they look at the world around us and see that life carries on the way it always has, and probably always will for quite some time now. They don't see all the pieces of the puzzle as they are accumulating, therefore can't perceive the signs of the times. If you think about it from a logical perspective, believe in an "IMMINENT" rapture takes a lot of faith. Not saying that people who believe a mid or post tribulation rapture lack faith, but what I am saying is that most of them can't fathom it's possibility in their mind. So a lot of people when they try to line up the signs of the times, they take into account their "worldly experiences". They begin to see that life really is carrying on, and feel like the Lord is delaying on his promise... so they start to analyze scripture and conclude that Jesus can't possibly be returning before the tribulation.
If we take our "life experience" and "limited understanding" out of the way, and allow the word of God to speak fluently to us we will definitely see how the church has to be raptured before Jacob's trouble. God is not going to clump his children with those who will endure his wrath, but as I stated it's very hard for people to see this... because life seems to just continually "carry on". I too believe for Gods Word to be consistent, and do see a pre-tribulation rapture. A mighty case can be made for it just by using the Old Testament alone, without including the New. God declared the end from the beginning, and the beginning from the end. He is not slack on his promises, nor will he delay. Till we meet in the clouds Eman Ese, Shalom!
@@angelomanzi9272 That my friend was a world class essay. Cheers!
@PlowsharesintoSwords To say pre-trib is a lie and to tag pre-tribbers as preachers of a false gospel is to allow yourself to be a pawn of satan. Stop trying to sow division in these comments. We all know we are saved by the Grace of God through faith in Jesus lest not by works lest any man should boast. Get that bitterness out your heart its not that deep, what were debating here is eschatology not salvation...
Also Read 1 Thess 5 which speaks of THE DAY OF THE LORD. In verse 9 paul says "For God did not appoint us (Church) to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ". In verse 3 it says the people (also known as the children of darkness) will NOT ESCAPE. Hmmm how could one ESCAPE from God's Judgement. I think a RAPTURE would be the most plausible allusion considering the bible mentions it. Hmmm if were not suffering from the wrath of God which are the trumpet and bowl judgements in revelation who is? Spoiler Alert its the nations who rejected the messiah Both Jew and Gentile. Its so simple when you let the text do the speaking. God says what he means and means what he says. Anyways, much love.
Why would God give us all the signs and prohecies and tell us to watch for them so we would know the season of his return and that when we saw them all occur we should comfort one another for our redemption draws nigh. How to you comfort someone by telling them, yes they will be redeemed but first you must endure 7 years of a deluge of the worst catastrophes the world has ever seen where billions will be killed and suffer unspeakable horrors.To me 7 years of that kind of hell on earth isn't very comforting or drawing nigh. The Bible says we are children of light and not appointed to wrath to me spending the Tribulation period on earth is being appointed to wrath.
Jesus returning on the clouds wearing ONE crown to rescue His Bride ( Body of the Church Rapture ) is a separate event from when He returns at the end of the Tribulation riding a white horse and having MANY crowns. Without the Blessed Hope of the Rapture how do we as believers share The True Gospel (Good News) of Jesus The Christ to non believers in this day and age, if you tell them they will be saved if they accept Him as their Savior but still must suffer through 7 torturous years, I doubt many will see that as Good News.
I think many who discount the pre trib rapture are walking by sight and not by Faith. Its hard for natural man to accept a supernatural event on the scale of the Rapture, but we all believe he is returning at some point soon I just have Faith that He is going to reward true believers who have been eagerly watching for His return shelter in his Father's House during the judgment coming on the earth.
And so ALL Israel shall be saved. Note that Paul already showed CLEARLY WHO "all Israel" is. Not they of the flesh, these are not all Israel, nor are they the seed, nor are they the children of God. Romans nine:6,7,8. very clear. But the verseless pre-tribber loves to opinionate over facts of scripture just like the factless leftist.
Come quickly lord Jesus! Amen!! ❤✝️
Amen. (Post Trib) LAST TRUMPET. 1 COR:15:50-58
Yes. Jesus Christ told this. Matthew 13:24-30. The harvest is the end of this world.
I wish I knew your name. I thank you so much for reminding me about the rapture In greek its a word I can't spell.. I agree with Phil, I as listing that the earth will be shaking and quaking
nothing about the Rapture.
Like the plagues the believers were not hurt. Like the Flood they were protected through. To keep means protect from. KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS - PROTECT you from sinning. Its simple, do not complicated God's word. Read rev 7 carefully...the saints are then overcome. What does overcome mean?
Also the Holt Spirit is removed,that means we that have the Holy Spirit living in us would be removed and that can't happen.
The Holy Spirit can't be removed from the earth at the start of the tribulation. If that were the case, then no one would be saved during the tribulation because no one is saved without having the Holy Spirit.
John 3:5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.
Romans 8:9, ..."Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."
1 Corinthians 12:3, "...and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit."
Exactly!!!!!
Brenda C can ya give us the verse that backs that up???
Ron Smykowski yeah that's exactly my question to ppl who believe post trib! who is the restrainer mentioned?!
@@PooleSilly satan is being held/bound in heaven. when he who letteth is taken out of the way satan is released. he who letteth is he who holds satan in heaven and only allows satan to do so much.
The word translated as “meet” in 1 Thess 4:13-18 appears to be a technical term that refers to a ceremony in which Greeks went out to greet a dignitary and escort them back to town. However, the context in which it’s used in Matt 24:6 is a Jewish marriage. By ancient Israeli custom, bridegrooms had to prepare a place for brides in their father’s house, but he could not bring her there until the father was satisfied, so the bridegroom didn’t know the day or hour but the father only.
Eventually, the bridegroom would appear unannounced at his bride’s house and she had come out quickly to meet him, meaning she also had preparations to do, then he would escort his bride to her place in his father’s house. And in this parable, the virgins who are prepared went out to meet the bridegroom and then he escorted them to the marriage banquet in his father’s house.
This was a patriarchal culture, so the bride always joined HIS family and not vice versa. The marriage ceremonies were at his father's house.
In John 14:1-4, Jesus said to believe in him that he was going to prepare a place for them in his Father’s house, which they would have understood as joining his family. In Rev 12:14, a woman (bride?) is flown to “her place” where she’s safe from the appearance of the serpent for approximately 3.5 years. In Rev 19:6-10, the glorified bride is seen celebrating the marriage and marriage supper of the Lamb behind closed gates in Heaven before returning with Jesus at his Second Coming. And only after the Armageddon battle, and the harvest and destruction of everyone with the mark, the imprisonment of Satan, and the setting up of new thrones is anyone resurrected, and then it’s specifically saints killed for keeping faith and refusing the mark during the great tribulation.
One word 'anachronism'
@@alangracey4, how so?
Off by almost 2000 yrs
@@alangracey4, do you believe the Romans setup the abomination that Jesus mentioned in Matt 24:15-25 when they conquered the Temple in 70 AD?
The Abominations came from the Jews not the Romans
So the Saints are going to be protected during the tribulation period as they confront the Anti christ n refuse to take the Mark. Please explain!
When will the Marriage of the Lamb and Marriage supper of the Lamb will take place if Christ comes for a judgment according to Mr. Pipers view of rapture?
Excellent teaching! 👏
Enoch and Elijah didn’t die-they were taken up
luke 21 PRAY FOR WORTHINESS TO ESCAPE......34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.
38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.
How would you make it till the end of 7 years if you can't buy or sell, how would you get food and pay your utilities to be hear for seven years.
Daniel 11:33 reads that some will fall by the sword, or be burned, or captured, or plundered.
Rev 13:10 says some will go into captivity and others will be killed by the swords.
In Matthew 24:22, Jesus says the days are cut short so that some of the elect's flesh will be saved.
There will definitely be people who remain unto his coming - that is the rapture.
I've done it 19 yrs
We were supposed to be preparing...sure God will supernaturally provide but Noah prepared for many years..some will have there lamps full others will not.
We knew this day was coming for years we saw all the signs leading g up to this.
Jerad kushner owns a RFID company they're just waiting for the right moment to roll this all out.
All the dreams and visions people are having and everything happening in Isreal...
So many people are living pay check to pay check not putting food water etc away for what's coming...
We know it will be just like in the days of Noah...
So many are dependant on the government for there every need and not God it's sad just like those who believe Trump could make America great "without God this Nation will never be Great"
@@brendac4283 that is in the tribulation
if u r born again and have the indwelling of the HOLY spirit u won't be here
praise god
This whole matter can be put to rest if people just listen to the plain words of Jesus. He used the term "last day" 5x
And then in Matthew 24 He verified that the resurrection would happen on the 'last day' when the sun would be darkened and the moon would no longer give it's light!
It is litterly the "last day" as the sun will not rise again, the entire world will be lit by the Shekina glory!
The sign of the Son of Man!
And we will go up to meet the Lord and commander, fall in rank and file and ride with back in with Him as He has defeats the enemy!
When the final shofar sounds, the Lord has entered the fight and the battle is won!
Until then, He has told us to be faithful, have patience and to endure .
Thank you
I had a Rapture dream in Nassau, Bahamas ( Matthew
24: 31). I was standing in broad daylight. Suddenly I was taken
thousands of feet in the air. I looked down and saw people in on the
ground. The wealth was impressive as it glistened in the sun. The
people seemed to be busy with their jobs, exuding egotism not knowing
that Jesus had come and gone. I told this to an aunt of mine, who
said that she knew another woman who had almost the exact same dream
as myself in Eleuthera. She herself saw many people that were left on
the ground after Jesus fist appearing (1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17). The
second dream was also of the Rapture. This time whole groups of
people disappeared instantaneously from the face of the earth. Be
prepared for Jesus' second appearing in the clouds (Revelation 1: 7).
It will be instantaneous. Confess that you are saved by grace through
faith alone, and realize that His atoning blood wipes away all sin (1
John 1: 7 and Hebrews 9: 22) . Afterwards your code of conduct is
holiness and purity of heart. Be at peace with all men and practice
holiness without which no man shall see God (Leviticus 19: 2). LIVE A
LIFE OF REPENTANCE (ACTS 3: 19). EVERY TIME YOU REPENT, THE BLOOD OF
JESUS WIPES AWAY ALL SINS. Salvation is never a license to sin. Take
it seriously. 24801
God bless you, amen and amen!
I had one too! Very cool! Thank you Jesus!!
Magic Jesus of the human mind. Very easy to follow a God you have not seen. Why was the cornerstone rejected? They hated Him. Today the whole world loves him. Another Jesus. Please read Rev 1:8
we dont need dreams, God has spoken thru scripture and its all we need.
EVERYBODY has dreams. It seems like everybody who believes in the pretribble mythology is having rapture dreams. Muslims are also having "prophetic dreams."
i hear few people talk of the possibility of a partial rapture. "pray that you would be considered worthy to escape the trials that are going to come on the whole earth" if the bible says to pray that we are worthy. we should heed that. we also should heed the warning of the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. i would say the letters to the churches in revelations reflect this idea that God deals with each church differently. AN OVERLY SIMPLISTIC INTERPRETATION FAILS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE. TO assume all believers go through the same thing is over simplistic. the scene in new jerusalem seems to take into account that there are believers with ressurection bodies there but also regular humans, which is why the feasts and sacrifices and temple jewish symbols resure because some need the symbolic instruction to point backward to the finished work of Christ on the cross. just as the shadows in the old testament pointed forward for the jews in the old testament.
You are doing a very good job with the scriptures your bringing to the table when I used to believe in post-trib rapture mid-trib rapture these were my versus however once you start to rightly divide the word of God this whole issue comes much clearer you and me sir we are in the body of Christ this is totally separate from Israel's program. Now first and second Thessalonians are written by Paul so technically one would think that this whole thing is for the body of Christ but I don't think the mystery of the body of Christ has been revealed yet notice there is no mention of Grace in Thessalonians and it is definitely focused on the second coming. Now once I got past post and mid rapture and I finally agreed with the pre-trib rapture which is discovered by process of elimination then I could see this first and second Thessalonians as the Rapture of the church or I should say the Rapture of the body of Christ which is the church but then as I study this which is where I'm at now I am noticing and seeing that this is probably not the Rapture of the church it is the second coming of Christ and it might even be a mid-trib rapture but not for the body of Christ we will not be here for the tribulation these people will be taken out before God's Wrath which is mid or towards the end of the tribulation these people being raptured actually be the bones you read about in Ezekiel the 12 apostles could be in this Resurrection these could people could be going up to meet Jesus in the air their bodies have been changed there are now immortal and they're going to do battle and then when it is all over they're going to rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years and these people will be Israel they are the ones who will rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand years these are the people that were meant to be Kings and Priests blessing the Gentiles. It is amazing how much we can learn when we are willing to let go of what we thought we knew by opening our mind and our hearts to God's word. Some things I am dogmatic about like salvation believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ his blood covers your send you are saved by grace through faith not for everything you have done It is a gift from God And not by works You cannot boast Because it was nothing you could do To earn it or keep it . Now every verse that you read sir except Thessalonians was written to Israel and I suspect that first and second Thessalonians are so early in Paul's Epistles I don't think he received the mystery of the body of Christ. So where is our rapture try Colossians 3 4 remember Jesus had a secret appearing with Paul and he chose Paul to teach the gentiles so Paul began his journey going first to the Jew and then the Gentile everywhere he went but also remember this I believe all the little churches all the little groups of people believers before Paul was converted as a matter of fact the very people that Paul was persecuting before Jesus grabbed him they are what is called the little flock people who were saved under the kingdom gospel that was taught by Christ and the 12 apostles these people's Hope was to go into the kingdom still waiting to do it. But their leaders killed Christ and he rose again now there's a new gospel the death burial resurrection of Christ but the mystery that Paul has is not revealed for sometime.
The ten wise and foolish virgins. They went out to meet the bridegroom and what did they do - the five wise ones. They went with him INTO the wedding festivities. he didn't come back out into the street with them. Also the raptured saints will come back with the bridegroom. As for them being given relief from the ones who afflicts Him. Yes those who persecute the saints will be afflicted. He will repay them. He is conflating the two events together. Does he really think that given the events of the tribulation that they will be being persecuted at that times. Also note that the armies of heaven follow Christ out of heaven.
In response to the comments made about Revelation 3:10, this promise was of course spoken by Jesus TO the church. Jesus also said the following in Luke 21:36:
“Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man”.
When Jesus spoke about those terrible days to come, He only gave two “types” as examples of that period: the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Jesus used these two specific examples precisely because they’re illustrations of the wrath of God being poured out on the earth after His chosen people were provided a means of escape. They weren’t escaping persecution; they were escaping God’s wrath. The same will be true for Christians before God pours out His wrath for the final time at the end of the age.
The New Testament is clear that believers in Christ are NOT appointed to wrath; God’s wrath for believers was poured out on Jesus on the cross. The church - the bride of Christ - will be raptured out of the way before God pours out His wrath on the world. If this was not so, God would be a wife-beater, which He is not.
To understand the End-Times you need to understand WHO God is dealing with during the 7-year tribulation period, which is the missing “week” in the 70 weeks prophecy given in Daniel 9 (70 X 7 years). The first 69 weeks ran from the decree of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.
Daniel 9:24 makes clear WHO the prophecy applies to when Gabriel tells Daniel, “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city”. Who is Daniel’s people and his holy city? Israel and Jerusalem. This isn’t about the church. The 70 weeks is about Israel and there’s still one week left to complete; the last 7 years of history.
The English phrase “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 translates the Greek word harpazo, which means “to seize upon with force” or “snatch up”. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapturo, the root of the English term “rapture”.
At the rapture, living believers will be “snatched up”, translated into the clouds, to join the Lord in the air. Paul uses the words “clouds” and “air” to emphasise the reality of the event and draw attention to the fact that there are multiple examples in Scripture of people having already been raptured (“snatched up”), including Enoch, Elijah, Philip, Paul, John and of course Jesus at His ascension. The descriptions of all these events use the same terminology to describe the catching away; Paul intentionally uses this terminology in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The rapture of the church is an event separate and distinct from the Second Coming of Jesus to earth.
Jesus went to great lengths to ensure His disciples understood His Second Coming, so taught them about it within the context of a common event they were already very familiar with; He spoke about His Second Coming in the context of the Jewish wedding custom.
If the rapture does not exist, how could the bride (the church) come WITH Jesus at His return? In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Jesus comes for His church and takes her to His Father’s house (as described in John 14:3). In contrast, at Jesus’ Second Coming with His saints, He descends from heaven to set up His Messianic Kingdom on earth (Matthew 24:27-31); a literal 1,000-year rule on earth (Revelation 20:1-6).
There is a difference between the two events. This is further evidenced by how the rapture is characterised in the New Testament as a “mystery” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54), that is, a truth not revealed until its disclosure by the apostles, whereas the Second Coming was predicted in the Old Testament. In fact, the oldest prophecy uttered by a prophet was given by Enoch before the Flood about the Second Coming, who was himself raptured without seeing death (Jude 1:14-15).
In summary, the movement of the believer at the rapture is from the earth to heaven, whereas at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), while at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13).
How do we prepare for the tribulation? Should we all become self sufficient homesteaders?
Same question
Why would Jesus command us to pray to be counted worthy to escape these things if there was no escape at some point? GOD IS NOT A LIAR.
Another concrete argument against the pre-trib view is that we cannot precede the dead in Christ. Revelation 20 simply states that those beheaded during the tribulation took part in the “FIRST” resurrection. There could not have been one before that. We cannot be raptured before those beheaded during the tribulation. It’s impossible to reconcile that view with scripture.
Every eyes will see Him coming...
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7
What happened at the return of Christ ...
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10-13
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The church is not appointed unto wrath! The great Tribulation is the time of JACOB'S trouble! It is for the 12 Tribes! Why would Jesus lift us into the clouds to come back (with no Marriage Supper of Lamb), and to return immediately to Armageddon? Some reward for faithfulness!
All human opinions with not one pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation. interesting. Israel did not experience God's wrath in Egypt. But they were protected and at the end left.
Phil, because the bible says so. That's why. pretty simple. can't be an EVITE playing the game of "pick and choose" or "I PREFER" Now Satan was more subtle.
Israel was protected during God's plagues of wrath in Egypt, for they had the blood applied.
Your god can't protect you? or do you not have the blood of the Lamb applied?
Rev 16 :15 Behold, I am coming as a thief. :16 Armageddon. I'll stick to God's word being the final authority and not your ignorant opinions.
Phil, Israel was not appointed to God's wrath either, for they were PROTECTED because they had the pure blood of the lamb applied.
Are you claiming not to have the pure blood of the Lamb of God applied to the door of your heart here in this issue?
Satan attacks the saints this is not just Jacob.
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You reject CLEAR scripture.
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Immediately after the tribulation.
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For they are not ALL Israel, which are of Israel:
neither because they are of the seed of Abraham, are they ALL children:
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God : but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Prophecy:Phil will never ever post this pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation. Instead it will be opinions or ignore.
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And the pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation IS________.
NOT THERE! And we all know why... because NO lie is OF the truth. 1 John 2 :21
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All endtime passages are post trib. without exception.
Immediately after the tribulation
At the last trump
The dead in Christ rise first.
Job 14 :12-14
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Let no man deceive you!
Allow the author of the book to define his own terms in his own book.
You will never ever go wrong then.
Clear passages, no need to go to word gymnastics.
The simplicity that is in the gospel.
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Your Jesus lied to you. he said Immediately after the tribulation. After he was directly asked of the last days. You are being dishonest to run to opinions instead of submitting to the very truths of God's pure word. KJV.
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You shall be judged by his words in the last. Unless you repent of yer verseless doctrine of devils.
herbbearingseed all Christians believing in Jesus Christ including the Jews who convert to the truth of the Messiah and don’t forget the Gentiles get grafted into the branch of the name of Israel.
Thank you
I never honestly thought A LOT of people are losing a crown right now even last year
It seems to me that his argument is self-refuting.
Blessings, Yeshua has shown me something you might find interesting: both the views stated in your video are on the right track. In Matt 25, we have the 10 virgins, first we agree that they are the church/2 Cor. 11:2 " I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband , to Christ , so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." Plus they all have lamps with oil, the lamps representing: Light/visible/earthly and the oil representing: anointed/inner/spiritual, so they are all believers but the wise virgins brought more oil ( which means they were constantly anointed by having a personal relationship with Yeshua, studying the word, praying constantly {1 Thess 5:17}, etc.) and the 5 unwise virgins are the believers who do not keep a constant personal relationship with God, they forget to pray, don't fast, dont read the bible, etc.). NOT the whole church will leave in the rapture, we see that the 5 wise virgins are ready and when the bridegroom (Christ) comes for them, he takes them and shuts the door, so when the 5 unwise virgins come to the door it is already shut. Now lets go to Rev. 3, the last 2 letters to the churches, We are currently in the time of the church of Philadelphia ( church of brotherly love) the church door is open anyone who wants to accept Christ is welcome in. Rev 3: 7 "These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut." and its also the raptured church "since you have kept my command to endure patiently I will also keep (1 Thess. 4:17) you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth." notice it says test not destroy. The 5 wise virgins are the church of Philadelphia. and the 5 unwise virgins are the church of Laodicea/the lukewarm church/ left behind believers, who are going to stay to be tested, but once they turn back to Yeshua, he will accept them back. Back to Matt 25:11 the 5 unwise come back to find the door shut "Later the others also came, Sir! they said . Open the door for us!", and since they are lukewarm he replies, " I tell you the truth i dont know you". Now to Rev 3:15 the church of Laodicea "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So because you are lukewarm - neither hot nor cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth." notice it says "about to" they are going to be tried and he wants them to come back to him. Rev 3:18 " I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire ("faith" 1 peter 1:7), white clothes to wear (whitened with the blood of the lamb/his righteousness Rev 7:14) and salve (deliverence/strongs) and he says in Rev: 3:19 "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock." the door is closed the same way it was closed for the 5 unwise virgins, but he tells them to be earnest and repent! Right after the rapture they will knock and will be left behind (the same as the 5 unwise virgins). Then they will realize and repent and then Yeshua will come and knock at the door of their hearts " if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." All these now repented believers (Left behind church/offspring) will still have to go thru many trials (but not as severe as the unbelievers), Because once the dragon is foiled in his attack to Isreal he goes after the left behind church. Rev 12:17 "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman(Isreal) and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring - those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.(which is the left behind church). But they have to overcome their trials Rev. 3:21 "to him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne." As one church, never to part from him again.
Blessings hope it helped!
Yeshua also showed me that the rapture is also mentioned in Rev 12. if interested I will write it as well.
It says keep you 'FROM' not keep you 'THROUGH' the hour of trial. If God was coming at the end of the tribulation then his coming wouldnt be like a trap unexpected thats why he told us to keep watch, he wasnt twlling the ungodly to keep watch, "That day will come upon the world like a trap.... Pray that you are found worthy to Escape ALL that is about to come and that you will be able to stand before the son of man. The whole point in the tribulation is the judge the wicked they wont be partying, have you read the book of Revelation. War, plauges, meteors, famine, locusts.
If the man child being caught up, harpazo, to the throne of God, Rev 12:5, represents the rapture. Then that event takes place in time between the second and third woe. The three woes are aligned with the last three, 5-7, trumpets.
Revelation 8:13 KJVS
[13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
One of the misleading aspects of the pre-tribulation doctrine is it displaces the 12th chapter of Revelation to the beginning of the tribulation. But you can’t do that because the man child being caught up to the throne of God takes place between the 2nd and 3rd woe and these two woes have a short period of elapse time between them, Rev 11:14. And of course the three woes are aligned with the last three trumpets. Third woe is when Satan is cast down to earth, Rev 12:12. The rapture is when the mystery of God, Christ in you the hope of glory, Col 1:27, in finished at the seventh trumpet. And the seventh trumpet takes place in time at the middle of the tribulation just before the bowls of wrath are poured out.
Revelation 10:7 KJVS
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
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I have heard all three sides of this by wonderful Bible teachers. I know this is hard to know absolutely what will happen. One thing I wish you would have addressed in your fine teaching is that the until the restraining power of the Holy Spirit is removed the man of iniquity, evil will not be revealed. We as born again believers all have the in dwelling Holy Spirit so I’m still confused as to our still being here. Anyway, God bless you, we know that in the end we will be with our savior for all eternity. Pre-tribulation or mid tribulation or post- tribulation ???
Exactly! When the Holy spirit leaves the church must go with it. Those of us who are saved cannot lose the holy spirit. I don't claim to have all the answers and my faith is in christ until the end but anything other then a pre tribulation rapture just doesn't seem to align with scripture
with all do respect to john piper whom i love dearly his chalk talk is overly simplistic and he is imposing his points on the text. there are mysteries, and alegories, figures of speech time and scene changes making this subject complex enough that we need special eyes to see and ears to hear from God.
The plain reading of the text is what Mr Piper is conveying. It is correct and has been the consistent position of the Church throughout history, up until the mid 19th Century. This subject is not as complex as many would like to make it out to be. One does not need 'special eyes' and 'special ears' to understand what is plainly being taught here. Piper is correct. God bless
@@7seednew I don't think your comment is relevant to the discussion at hand. Be that as it may, you have a point. I would however like to say that the person to whom you are alluding, isn't an accurate representation of the protestant position of what a Christian looks like. Friend, nobody who does evil can claim the name of Christ, protestant or otherwise. To be sure, there would be many who confess to be 'Christian', but by their fruits you will know them. I wish you well. Take care...
Disagree here - "keep you from the trial" you are taking to mean "protect you *during* the trial" and that is not what is being communicated. Keep you from means that you are not present while the trial is taking place not simply shielded. GOD bless you but I think you are incorrect and hey if you are and you're a Christian we're both going to the same place eventually so this nitpick won't matter one bit in the fullness of time. GOD bless you sir!
I totally agree with pastor John. When I read or discuss the scriptures I refuse to have an opinion. I just believe what it says. The Word explains itself perfectly. Jesus gave us a chronological order of the end in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Immediately after the tribulation he's sending his angels to gather us all up at the sound of a trumpet. And the trumpet will be the last because the scripture says, not an opinion.
1 Cor 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
Let's believe the scriptures and prepare to endure till the end.
amen
www.itwasaplan.com - “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Luke 21 -
@@pastorvictor3609 2nd coming not the rapture
I am grateful to say that I am a born again Christian and have been since I was 19.......folks these days are getting darker and Christ is coming soon and if you don’t know Christ as your savior then it burdens my soul to think that you are headed for a terrible place called Hell where the Bible says the fire is never quenched and the worm dies not! Folks you are not promised tomorrow! If you want to know how to be saved from this horrible reality then please by all means don’t hesitate to comment right back so I can lead you to the savior! 2 Corinthians 6:2 clearly states “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation!” And Hebrews 3:15 clearly states, “Today if you hear his voice don’t harden your hearts! it is not me but the Holy Spirit that I pray reveals to you the truth of his precious gospel......John 3:16 says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes on him will not perish but have everlasting life! V 17 says then V 18 says whoever believes on the son is not condemned but whoever does not believe on the son is condemned already because he has not believed on the son whom God has sent! Also Acts 16:30-31 what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house I am not threatening anyone but just warning them what will happen if they reject this precious gift of eternal life! Christ died a horrible criminals death! He was beaten brutally mocked spit upon and endured countless hours of torture pain for all of our sins! Ppl go to hell because they reject that pardon for their sins! And Jesus is saying to them in Matthew 25:41 depart from me you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! Hell was only prepared for Satan and his angels! It is not God who threatens anyone it is the craziness of rejecting the free pardon of salvation! It’s like if you’re in court you’ve committed a crime say you murdered someone! Now if you say to that Judge hey I know I’ve done a terrible thing of murdering that person but I hear you’re a good judge and so I know you’ll be fair to me...... the judge is going to reply well yes you’re right about one thing I am a good judge and because I’m a good judge I’m going to see to it that you’re punished and that justice is served! Well then all of a sudden someone you don’t even know comes forward and says you know what I know he’s committed the crime he’s committed and he deserves to go to jail but I really don’t want to see him go to prison so I’ll just go to prison for him so he can go free! So if you accepted that offer you’d be free to leave the courtroom but if you didn’t well you’d be crazy and go to prison yourself! Well that’s exactly how it was 2,000 years ago! He is God in human flesh and he came to this earth lived a perfect sinless life and even though he knew that we had sinned and because of our sins deserved to die miserably but he said no I don’t want to see them suffer so I will go and take their punishment for them! Even though he did absolutely nothing wrong still he chose to take the punishment for our sins so we can be set free from the power bondages and consequences of our disobedience to God! Romans 5:8 says For God commends his love toward us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us! 1 John 2:2 says he was made to be the propitiation for our sins! And not just for our sins but the sins of the whole world! 2 Corinthians 5:21 He who knew no sin became Sin for us that we would be made his righteousness! The truth is if you had to get to Heaven by your own effort then you cannot do it! Because Romans 3:10 says there is not one that does good! No Not One! Romans 3:23 says For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 6:23 says For the wages of sin is death! But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord! But the good news is Romans 10:9 If we confess with our mouth and believes in our hearts that Christ died for our sins then was raised from the dead we will be saved! V 10 For it’s with the heart we believe and it’s with the mouth confession is made unto salvation! God gave us 10 commandments to follow and we’ve broken every one of them! And because God is a good God he cannot allow our disobedience to him to go unpunished! Well then like I just mentioned above his son Jesus stepped forward and said no I don’t want to see them punished so I will take their punishment for them! And also like I said he died a terrible substitute criminal’s death for us on a cross so now all we have to do is accept that payment for our sins and we can escape the terrible wrath of God that is to fall on them who do not accept this atonement that was sacrificed for our sins! Praise the lord Romans 10:13 says Whoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved! And 1 Peter 1:4 you’re an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you! Christ clearly said in John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through me! Acts 4:12 clearly states that there is no other name given unto Heaven or earth by which we must be saved as there is salvation in no other! Jesus clearly states that there is clearly only one way to Salvation and it’s him that’s it! There is no other way! God Bless everyone who reads!
Please check out Jd Farag Pretribulation Rapture, also Jack Hibbs Rapture, Amir tsarfati Rapture, as well as Billy Crone, Greg Laurie, Don Stewart and others, the Rapture is sound doctrine
Thank u for this enlightenment.
Allow me to ask about 666, how it fits in?
Doesn't Revelation say the man of sin shall wage war with the saints and overcome them? Who is being kept from the hour of trial if antichrist overcomes them? let me know what you think
The hour of trial is the day of the Lord, the great day of the lambs wrath when he returns
@@formless4541 I assumed it was trial and tribulations. The seven viles and seals God’s wrath is poured upon the earth and it’s inhabitants
@@4bangerlove Actually I made an error there.
I believe it refers to the 2 lampstands (churches), that become the 2 witnesses. They are protected from the majority of the tribulation until their testimo y is finished
The hour is 42 months, and we can see this in revelation where 10 king's receive power one hour with the beast, which has it's authority for 42 months - it's not a literal hour
God. Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints....not angel.
Where can you put the bridegroom in the place where the mansions are ?when do we go to the fathers house? Is the Beamer seat on the earth? Where is the reward ceremony?
“Where can you put the bridegroom in the place where the mansions are? Jn 14:2. When do we go to the Father’s house? 1 Thess 4:17. Is the (bema) seat on the earth? Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:9 (bema is Greek for judgement seat-where the victor in Greek games was awarded the laurel wreath, we will be awarded our imperishable award). Where is the reward ceremony? 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 4:2 (Also read 1 Thess 4:13-18, Lk 14:12-14, Rev 19:8, 2 Tim 4:8, 1 Cor 4:5).
Order of events:
Rapture
Exaltation into the heavens with the Lord
Examination before the Bema
Rewards
It becomes apparent from the many explanations and deciphering's of these types of scriptures that to try to extrapolate a clear meaning of them may be futile. Those who try to give us their view on how they perceive these scriptures through their bible knowledge and biblical academic education only cause more questions and more doubts about who really knows what they mean. Anyone who strives to want to know the exact meaning to these scriptures can slave away for hours, days, weeks and even years but in the finality of their conclusions will only serve to make them believe what they researched and studied, their own truth. Of course some of the parts of scriptures are obvious to understand and we should take it as it is. But more important than all of this is this first. That as a Christian who has accepted Jesus as his savior, repented, living as a new creation following Christ to live a holy life dedicated to prayer, love for God and Christ and Holy spirit. Understanding that if you have all this that you have met that criteria to establish yourselves as true believers in Christ with the hope and promise of salvation and eternal life. If you have this within you and you truly believe it with all your heart and mind and soul, that when the day comes for Christ return and the end of this age, you will be ready for His return. Yes, study the Bible and learn all you can but remember that not all scripture is meant to fully be understood by man but if you are truly born again Christian then the future will be a joy to look forward to. Not that you will know exactly what will happen but that you will be one of those who will saved.
Couldn't the meeting be that Jesus comes to meet us and we go back w/ Him instead of Him coming back to earth w/ us?
tudfrey, nope. Rev sixteen :15,16.
Beleivers, who died, are 'asleep' till the day of Jugement....day of wrath (not to be confused with tribulation)
But we do not want you (believers) to be UNINFORMED, brothers, about those (the dead) who are asleep (beleivers who already died), that you may not grieve (over the dead) as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring WITH HIM those who have fallen asleep (who died that raised from the graves). For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are ALIVE (who came out of the great tribulation), who are LEFT until the coming of the Lord, WILL NOT PRECEDE those who have fallen asleep (who died for theirfaith). For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the TRUMPET of God (no secretrapture). And the dead in Christ (asleep) will rise FIRST (on the last day). Then we (who is still alive) who are alive, who are LEFT (after the great tribulation), will be caught up TOGETHER with them (the dead who has risen) in the clouds to MEET the Lord in the air, and so we (all believers) will always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 ESV
In short what it means is in the last hour on the last day, all believers will together meet Jesus in the clouds.
Why in the clouds? Because the earth below them will be destroyed in that same hour.
Jesus is not the father of confusion. He gives it in chronological order in Matthew 24
What is so difficult to understand? Theologians is not going to heaven....
Believers who are led by the Holy Spirit are.
This was a great argument FOR the pre-trib rapture! Thank you. I don’t imagine that any stance matters as long as you know Jesus as your Savior! But my argument is and has always been why would Jesus want His bride all battered and tattered? The Trib is for the Jewish nation, not the bride of Christ.
It's a bit narrow-minded to think that only we are His bride. There are millions of other christians around the world persecuted right now, especially in middle-eastern and asian countries. So, that part of the body of Christ will in fact be battered and tattered.
It is really more than arrogant to think and talk that only the "Christians" who are well off at this time are the "bride"!
You both completely misunderstood what she was saying and why she feels so strongly about her belief in the sound Biblical pre-trib rapture. We, in no way consider ourselves greater than any other member of the body of Christ, especially those who do great work through great tribulation, even unto martyrdom for our Savior!
We simply understand what the Bible proclaims concerning the final week of Daniel's 70 weeks (of years) prophecy for thy people (Israel)
There has always been tribulation for the bride of Christ. That is abundantly clear from the day of Pentecost until today. But nothing will compare to what the final 7 years brings. Nothing happens outside the will of God and He allows Satan to kill multitudes during the tribulation period. Mass genocide that is unparalleled in history. He would not allow that upon His faithful bride on the eve of the wedding feast and John 14: 1-6 aligns with the Jewish wedding custom of the father preparing a place for the wedding feast! This is not something that we believe out of convenience or fear of facing persecution like is claimed by so many.
@@tabestorm5339 There are persecuted Christians all over the world, even right here right now in the USA and Canada. There have always been persecuted Christians, even since all the Apostles (save John) were martyred. There will be saints called the Tribulation saints that will accept Jesus as their Savior and they will either suffer unimaginable tribulations or be beheaded immediately! My point was we Christ-followers will not be here to experience the Great Tribulation because we Christ-followers will be raptured before that begins. I didn’t say we Christ-followers won’t and don’t experience tribulations.
@@teddyf.1173 Pretty sure I didn’t even address the well-off thing you bring up. Not even sure where that came from. Christ-followers are His bride, plain and simple.
I just want to know if I will suffer the judgements or be present for them. That's literally all I want to know is will I be here to witness abd taste them or not.
Matthew 13:24- 30, then 13:36-43 why are the weeds taken out first and the plants left? The ones left are the “sons of the kingdom” the ones taken out are the sons of the “sons of the evil one” so who’s raptured the saved or the unsaved?
You are mistaken. They are not taken out first...they are gathered first to be burned. Remember, the parable tells us that both the wheat and tares grow together UNTIL the harvest. When you uproot one, the other one is uprooted with it. You can't pull up the tares without harvesting the wheat at the SAME time.
The wicked will be DEALT with first BEFORE the wheat enter the barn (aka New Jerusalem).
i'm only a layman, but from what I can understand, God can do what he wants, whenever and however he wants. I just gotta figure,why not a catching up out of trouble for believers?
Because God often uses suffering for his Glory as a witness for the lost. Suffering is never in vain and many that do the torturing come to Christ as a result. Do you love your enemies enough to suffer and die for them?
I see your point, but there comes a time when God says "Enough is enough". @@Kiki-fe2le
@@MarinanorYes and that is when Jesus returns, when God has had enough. I'm sorry but the rapture is not in the scriptures. Be ready in faith, you may love through it. Not all will be called to experience death.
@@Kiki-fe2le 1 Th 4:15 -17 = Res and rap at his coming. 1 Cor 15:51,52 elaborates, at the last trump, not before the first. Res first, then rap..caught up changed. Even Jesus concurs.
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John six :39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should loose nothing, but should rise it up again at the LAST day.
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John eleven :24 to 26.
Martha said unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the RESURRECTION at the LAST day.
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.
AND whosoever LIVETH and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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We shall not prevent them which are asleep.= rapture follows the resurrection.
Gods not that kinda a hole. Pardon my slang. :D
You nailed it brother I did not actually finish your video before I put my last comment but you definitely nailed it you just have to realize that is not us that is Israel and God is not finished with Israel after he takes us out meaning the body of Christ. Then this scenario will continue where he left off with Israel
Daniel 12 good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus, and they only take part in the First Resurrection
False teachers are here for sure. We’re not going to meet with Jesus Christ in the clouds and then, “OK hang in there; you got a little bit further to go and then I’ll be back for you again another time (3rd).
1st Thessalonians 5:9 for God did not appoint us to suffer Wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
RECEIVE you unto myself!
That WHERE I AM, THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO!
Finally in Revelation chapter 5 before one seal of the scroll is open the redeemed of the Lord are Before the Throne of God singing the song of the redeemed, which ONLY the redeemed can truly sing as angels and other majestic creatures of Heaven have not been redeemed! The saints of God are clearly singing Before the Throne of God before one event of the tribulation transpires. The tribulation period is a time of Jacob's trouble and the wrath of God is poured out upon the unbelieving and the god rejecting, Christ hating people. Christ paid it all on the cross. The saints of God are pictured with God in heaven escaping these events. In Luke chapter 21 Jesus clearly stated to pray always that we might be accounted worthy to escape all these things which will come up on the face of the whole Earth. Why would he tell us to pray that we might be found worthy to escape all these things if there wasn't an Escape Plan?
Faithful. Loving. Merciful Heavenly Father!
Also ask yourself this, why was Lot in his family removed before God's judgment was poured out upon Sodom and Gomorrah? Why was Noah tucked safely upon the ark with his family before the Judgment of the flood came? Why was Rahab saved first and then the city destroyed?
Did Jesus not say that the gates of hell would not Prevail against his church? Why then is it given to Satan in the Book of Revelation to overcome the tribulation Saints? Seems to me the church just might be safely tucked in heaven with the Lord?
My God protects his own and does not pour his own wrath out on his children. That is for the unbelieving and the ungodly. Israel's blindness will be removed through that time and they will be saved but I can assure you that Revelation 19 shows the bride of Christ returning with Christ when they look upon whom they have pierced as recorded in Zachariah....
We are heading toward mid trib 2023.5 so now what?
Does it really matter if we're being raptured away and kept safe during the tribulation or stay until after the tribulation? Yes. It does. Think about how many people we can bring to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as their savior when they are experiencing such great desperation. That should make any Christian jump for joy! By believing that we will just be raptured away and everyone left will be left to suffer seems pretty selfish to me. Why does it matter if we also have to suffer for Christ? Doesn't God's word say to rejoice in hardship? God appointed us, humans, Christians, to go out into all the world and spread his Gospel. Why would he take us and keep us from doing that? If there are those who will be saved during that time, who is leading them to salvation?
@Rawkfist1501 I don't understand what your point is. Did I say that we shouldn't boast in the name of Jesus? If the truth is that once Jesus comes, and there is no longer any way for anyone to know Jesus, why would anyone teach that people have a second chance to be saved after the rapture? Doesn't that give people a reason to continue in sin if they believe they can get right with God after he raptures out his children?
One thing i have always pondered on are the scriptures where Jesus said that I will come like a thief, at an hour you least expect in Matthew. He then repeats to one of the 7 churches in Revelation. Paul and Peter also described the coming of the Lord as a thief in the night when people are sleeping. Then other scriptures clearly state the terrible that will precede just before he pierces out of the cloud with great glory and power and the whole world will see him. To me it sounds like there are two things that might there be 1) the possible catching up and meeting the Lord in the air before or in the middle of the tribulation which other people (unbelievers) will not partake of 2) Jesus returning to the world with saints and angels after end of tribulation as revelation and other scripture says. The explanation in this video is hard to understand where we hear that we will be caught up and return with him back. What about the scriptures where Jesus said two will be in the field and one will taken and other left behind?
Taken doesn't mean taken.....taken means killed. You are reading a translated book. Please allow for that. Same reason people do not keep the sabbath col 2: 16 misled them greatly. Translated book.
For the life of me i don't understand why these people would even consider the fact that God would pour out his wrath onto his children, There is definitely a pre-tribulation rapture,
@@daniticasimmons my studies are conclusive now. There shall be pre-trib rapture. Thanks
@@daniticasimmons I also believe in pre-tribulation, but don't forget that here in the west, we don't suffer from persecution, but that doesn't mean there is no persecution in the world. There are soooo many christians persecuted right now. So, I don't know if that's really a good reason to believe in pre-trib.
So with everything that’s happening In Afghanistan we can expect the seriousness of the tribulation soon. what’s nice is we’re told eventually after seven years it’s all going to end and Jesus will come to save us we just need to hold on.
The one nice thing I see about tribulation is that at least we will definitely know that after seven years Jesus is comping it’s not like how we’re always told “better watch out Jesus will come like a thief” at least we know know how when he is coming.
The most stressful thing for me was always “oh what if Jesus just appears randomly during my moment of weakness etc
Quick question how come the Bible say as we do not know the day or the hour of His coming; but we will have a strong clue as to the timing because of the 7 year trib right?
John, aren't we meeting HIM for a wedding feast?
@Cj Kim Laysico Question, do you believe the Church has replaced Israel?
@Cj Kim Laysico Well I guess you need to show me where God said that he would no longer have a Covenant w/ Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You may assume that. The 24 elders are Jews in Heaven judging the 12 tribes. Jesus is a Jew and will be a Jew forever. Replacement theology has no place in the Bible. Don't become a proud grafted in branch because you can be broken off. Romans 11: 17-24.
Yes we are but not for 7 years.The book of Revelation 11 shows that when the 7th trumpet is blown,it has come the time for Jesus to reign,to judge the dead and give rewards to the saints.This clearly speaks about the day of 'rapture'(ressurection,transformation of alive believers and cought up in the clouds,receiving rewards as it is seen throughout the New Testament). From chapter 11-16 we are shown what happens during tribulation until the 7 vials of God's wrath are poured on earth.Until ch. 11 we read about saints on earth,but during the 7 vials there is no meantion.. So maybe during this time at the end when the vials are poured the wedding is taking place.The vials don't necesarrily show that it takes years or months,rather it seems they happen in rapid succession,maybe some days.
Revelation 20 says the first ressurection of the saints is after Tribulation/at the end(because all those who did not receive the mark,number,didn't worship the beast etc are included in the first ressurection,and clearly they had to go through Tribulation in order to overcome the beast even unto death). If the rapture takes place before Tribulation(and the rapture cannot be before the ressurection),then we would have to assume these happy saints in Rev 20 will miss the wedding which people assume is happenning during Tribulation.
Not sad to say you are wrong. Keep reading Grasshopper, you will get it figured out. Stop listening to John and his way ward teaching about Israel and you will be very suprised.
@@tudfrey Agreed! JOHN PILER is replacement theology thinking God is done with Israel since we have replaced the true nation of Israel. Follow Behold Israel a truest devote Christian a messianic Jew teaching on the whole scripture. So many verses showing the church is not present in the end times. What is the purpose of the tribulation when the restrainer aka the Holy Spirit is gone? The church is gone since the Holy Spirit isn’t indwelling us anymore. The key to understanding the end times is also knowing Jewish culture, traditions and the feasts. Sorry John, your teaching leads those astray. Saddened...
Ok when he says those that are alive and remain means if you haven’t died yet and still here on earth when He returns, we will all be changed, the good, the bad and the ugly. Not some but all will be changed. Gods gave us all common sense, all you have to do is ask God for wisdom and knowledge of His understanding of His word. He will give it to you. Don’t be like the heathens.
So then, there’s no formal ending to the dispensation of Grace ( 2Th 2: 3-6) and no merit in believing by faith. We all faithful believers will roll into the horrors of The Tribulation together with the unbelieving Jews and fight for our chance of salvation ... Confusing indeed brother John !
A Lot of copying and pasting is needed to beat the simple, straight forward truth of The Rapture.
Amen.. people don't realize that the gospel of 2day is not the gospel in the tribulation.. that is grace+works.. so how else can the rapture not be pretrib.. when the gospel will be changed.. they take vs out of context and fit wherever they think its right.. without rightly dividing the word of truth 2tim2 ::--15..
It is astounding how ignorant dispensationalists are when it comes to the plain meaning of a text.
General Ignorance has a chance, arrogance it is look at from afar.
(...ed: For the grammar nazi)
@@julesgardet659 English please...
General Your chosen name tells of your dreams of grandiosity ... Enjoy, we won’t be here.
There's two different kinds of suffering. . One you see and recognize. One you are neglecting with this interpretation.
There is nothing but suffering in the world for the righteous. . Not one day. Not one hour. Is there a moment in time that passes by that suffering is not present. . This suffering is internal. It's silent. It's the suffering of the one. . This suffering. . Is spiritual suffering, for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven that is to come. This suffering is recognizing the iniquity all around you. Knowing full well that the end of this suffering, is the end of all the godless forever and ever. . It cuts like a double edged sword for us whom suffer. . Why?
Because that once was me also. . It was once all of us. . Just like the world who is perishing. . If God did not tarry with me for the first 30 years and 4 months of my life, I would be on a one way ticket to hell. . "A train that won't stop going no way to slow down". . . But God did tarry with me. . I had time to fall in love, and recognize God. And in his patience i who was lost, had enough time left to be found. . But when the forceful rapture of the faithful commences. . That time has run out of tarry. . That time for others. . Has expired. . Knowing full well that the coming of the lord to remove his people, to raise up new Jerusalem, means the end of my suffering. My internal suffering. But it also means the end of the time that i was given so graciously. . For others. .
Suffering internally, suffering in the spirit. . It's far more painful then suffering in the flesh. . Those who suffer in the spirit, they are who are taken. . While those who were incapable of suffering in the spirit, those who have not been born again in an age of a reprobate world. . . They will suffer in the flesh. . Because spirit suffering they didn't desire. . Flesh they did. . In those days after the great catching away. . No more will anyone suffer silently in the spirit. . Their flesh will suffer. It will be torn limb from limb. Devoured by the world. . A different kind of suffering. . Because they chose not to know the lord and suffer silently, get to know him in the spirit, before that alloted time ran out. .
Some people learn from nothing but words. Spoken words of correction is enough. Yet others learn nothing from words. Spoken words then must turn to a rod. . The tribulations is this rod. . Without the flesh going through tribulations for some. . It cannot be redeemed and refined. . The tribulations is the worse way of refinement. . Yet that is the broad road that many, will enter into. .
In My Fathers house there are many mansions.
How do we know when the tribulation starts
What bothers me and everyone seems to be over looking is how he says “second 2nd coming” and “final 2nd coming”. There’s only a 2nd coming not a 3rd. When Jesus returns it’s at the end of tribulations. Don’t let your fear of being here during those days blind you from that. In Matthew 16:28 it says Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” People see that this says “won’t taste death” but when? UNTIL (what does until mean? You won’t taste death UNTIL HE COMES which means you will die when he comes. We all must die to receive our new bodies.) you see Jesus and his KINGDOM that’s at the END of tribulations. Please please read revelations 3:2-3 it says comes like a thief AGAINST YOU! people always hear he’s coming like a thief in the night as if that’s a good thing. Jesus said out of his mouth I will come like in the days of Noah. Well the ones taken were killed by the flood and the ones left were Noah and his family. Jesus died. His apostles died. Every single person in history died or will die in their flesh bodies. We get stuck on the rapture and forget about the RESURRECTION! We will rise again! That’s what it means to not feel the sting of death. You won’t feel fear ehen you’re about to die if you know you will Resurrect!
A strong passage in the hands of post-tribulationists has been 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8. The following description of Christ's coming with fire and vengeance could only refer to His return after the tribulation:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8).
The word "rest" in this passage is a noun, not a verb. God will recompense "rest" to us after the tribulation. If rest comes after the tribulation, the argument goes, then the rapture comes after the tribulation. But do rest and rapture come at the same moment? Does rest mean rapture? This is the unanswered question.
God will recompense two things: "tribulation" and "rest." "Rest" for believers comes after the tribulation, as post-tribs are quick to point out. Ah, but what about "tribulation" for unbelievers? When does that come? Does "tribulation" also come after the tribulation?
Obviously we need to do some unraveling or both post-tribs and pre-tribs will get tangled up in this passage. We pull first on the one loose string which we can agree upon. We all know that "tribulation" for unbelievers begins seven years earlier, but it culminates at the end when the Lord takes fiery vengeance. You see, the word "tribulation" can be used in two ways. Usually when we say "tribulation" we mean the period of tribulation. But Paul in this passage uses "tribulation" to mean God's vengeance at the end of the period. So the answer is yes, "tribulation" (in the narrow sense) occurs after the "tribulation" (in the broad sense).
Now, if Paul uses "tribulation" in the narrow sense, then what about "rest"? Usually when we say "rest" we mean rest in the broad sense, relief from persecution, escape from trouble. Rapture is rest in the broad sense. Rapture is relief from persecution. Rapture is escape. But Paul has a more specific meaning in mind for "rest." For him "rest" means the glory of the Lord being revealed in the saints.
Let me explain further. Or rather let Paul himself explain further, because Paul has a habit of introducing a topic and then explaining later on, and Paul's own explanations are the best commentaries that I have ever found. After introducing "tribulation" in verse 6, Paul explains in verses 8-9 what he means by "tribulation." It is vengeance and destruction. After introducing "rest" in verse 7, Paul explains in verse 10 what he means by "rest." "Rest" means glory and admiration. The Lord's glory shines forth in us, and others will behold with wonder and astonishment because they see that God is in us. That is rest in the fullest sense. It is not mere relief from persecution. Relief is only half rest. It is not mere escape from trouble. Escape is only half rest. It is not the rapture he is talking about. Rapture is only half rest.
As wonderful as the rapture is, that is not all we look forward to. After the rapture sin still reigns on the earth. God is still scorned. Neither are the raptured believers recognized and vindicated. Even though we are in heaven, no one else knows it. They might think we were taken away by UFOs.
No one who truly loves righteousness could be content with this half-rest condition. We long for that final victory when God reveals Himself to the whole world, when righteousness finally defeats sin, and when the whole world admires us for who we really are. When you and I come riding down from the sky on those white horses (Revelation 19:14), then those who knew us on earth will stand their with mouths gaping in astonishment. "They were not crazy after all! God is in them!" That's more than release. That's vindication.
This is not my feeling alone, because the martyrs in Revelation 6:9-11 feel the same way. These martyrs, even though they are in heaven, do not have full rest. "They cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" They are told to rest temporarily until the time for the full and natural rest that Paul talks about. Why are they not satisfied having full rest? Do they long for their resurrection bodies? No. They long for God's vengeance. Having relief for themselves does not satisfy.
My friend, as wonderful as the rapture is, it is not our final hope.
Going up is rapture. Coming down is glory (whether one second later or seven years later). Paul centers on the second part, glory, when he speaks of "rest."
So 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7 must be unraveled completely. We cannot leave half of it still tangled. Just as "tribulation," in the full sense, comes after the tribulation, so "rest" in the full sense comes after the half-rest of the rapture. Both "tribulation" and "rest," in the broad sense, begin seven years earlier; but both culminate at the end.
Now post-tribs can assume that "rest" means rapture and thereby "prove" that the rapture comes after the tribulation. And if I wanted to I could assume that "tribulation" means the seven-year period and thereby "prove" that the rapture occurs at the identical moment the tribulation begins. But such assuming misses the point of Paul altogether. Paul is not talking about rapture. I will let Paul define his own words as he explains "tribulation" in verses 8 and 9, and as he explains "rest" in verse 10.
full explanation of 1st and 2 thess in context found here @ www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Book/2thess.htm
@@emanese596 The answers that never lie are in the bible. 1 & 2 Thess = Matthew twenty four.
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Mtt 24 ................=...............1 & 2 Thess
:3,4 Christ is the source = 1 Thess four :15
:4 warned not to be deceived 2 Th. two:3
:3,27,37,39 the appearing 1 Thess 4:15,
................................................2 Thess 2:1
:15 AC temple activity...........2 Thess 2;4
:21,22 AC persecutions.....2 Thess 2:3,4,9
:24..deceiving signs & wonders 2 Th 2:9
:9 -12 Apostasy of many......2 Th 2 :3
:22 Elect alive, survive............1 Th 4:15,17
:22,29-31 persecution cut short 1 Th 1 :6,7
.........................................................1 Th 2:8
:27,30 initiation of the coming.. 1 Th 4:15
:29,30..coming is after AC..........2 Th 2:8
:27 -30 universal perception..1 Th 4:16
....................................................2 Th 2:8
:30 Jesus with clouds.............1 Th 4:17
:31 Angels present....1 Th 4:16, 2 Th 1:7
:31 Trumpet call...................1 Th 4:16
:31 gathering.................1 Th 4:17, 2 Th 2;1
:37 -41 peace and safety 1 Th 5:3,6,7.
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Comparing scripture with scripture.
christinprophecy.org/articles/2-thessalonians-2-3/
This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument Tommy presented that was most convicting to me was his revelation that the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.” They were as follows:1
The Wycliffe Bible (1384)
The Tyndale Bible (1526)
The Coverdale Bible (1535)
The Cranmer Bible (1539)
The Great Bible (1540)
The Beeches Bible (1576)
The Geneva Bible (1608)
Tommy also noted that the Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s - Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” - rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which means “departure.”
Right on! That will be after the tribulation of those days. Those who have been deceived by Satans lie (pre and mid tribulalation) will be released from their strong delusion when the judgements begin to fall. The hail and fire will sweep away ;the lies. Satan will tempt them to hate God, accuse God of delaying His coming, and will not be sober when God does come.
Let me get this straight. God is going to take HIS bride, the Church, through the Great and Terrible Tribulation. Then Rapture them at the end of the Tribulation. To bring them back w/ HIM. When do we have the Wedding Feast for 7 years? If we get raptured then suddenly return w/ HIM to rule and reign. When is the Bema Seat judgement? When do we get our crowns, when is the wedding feast? When do we cast our crowns at HIS feet? According to you we go through the tribulation, get a sack lunch and return as soon as we get to heaven. Who is the Bride? Who are the Tribulation Saints. How do you explain Revelation 3:10?
So when we die we do not go onto heaven? We wait in the grave. So many pastors talk about being with the Lord but this scripture makes it clear we will sleep until He comes back for His saints.
Jesus is here now, how are people getting saved if God is not here now
after you believe the gospel (Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day - 1 cor. 15:3-4 kjv ) , you are born again..that means you are seated in heavenly places now
once you physically you die, your spirit born from God (Jesus - eternal Spirit - john 4:24 kjv) returns back home, and your flesh returns back to where it came from, which is this earth (as does all flesh, since it's corrupt)
God (Jesus- eternal Spirit) raised the man Christ Jesus from the dead