A New Model of Karma, Deep Sleep and Death
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- In this video clip, Rupert gives a new interpretation of karma using the three states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep as a model.
Timestamps:
00:00 What is Karma and reincarnation
00:57 When we die, what happens to our energy?
06:14 Our belief on reincarnation and consciousness
08:32 Understanding the three states - deep sleep, dreaming and waking
15:05 What happens after death?
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Rupert is a treasure to those who are able to grasp his explanation ! I'm grateful I've found him on YT.
very very cerebral
12:08 Rupert is referring to this quote of the Bhagavadgita "What all beings consider as day is the night of ignorance for the wise, and what all creatures see as night is the day for the introspective sage."
This concept of the reversal of the three states of perception is delightful: it allows us to look around at our waking reality and to see it as the dream that it actually is. This brings to mind the endlessly wise childhood ditty that we all know: Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily: life is but a dream. There are so many of us who know this, but do we think deeply on it? The ditty admonishes us: don't take the outer world of your waking mind too seriously, and, whatever you do, be happy in your daily experience, and live life gently, never forcing, always allowing.
Beautiful! Thank you 🙏🏼
Rupert’s words are golden. So helpful. I couldn’t be happier.
I find no empty holes in your talks.. no threaded beads missed.. I love it.. 25 years with ACIM and one would think I need nothing more or less but your words strike me like notes of a wonderful melody that has been playing for all eternity.. Much love brother.. I am well pleased ;)
AWESOME EXPLANATION. EVERY WORD IS TRUE WHEN WE CONTEMPLATE DEEPLY.
I fully agree ,,such solace and comfort ...to know there is a larger pattern out there beautifully organised
I too came through ACIM but only 3 years and found Rupert. Changed my thinking...
the profoundness and subtlety of the explanation is mind-blowing, yet it is so clear and straight. I"m bowled over, this guy is a gem
In this discussion, its is very important to bring out the role of what ancient Indian texts call "Suskhma Sharira" which means miniscule body. It is exactly what you have referred to as residual energy (of thoughts and emotions - add memories of all karma to that). It has a defined structure to it like our living bodies. It is what manifests dream state, and our alive state , and death as we know is just when it abandons the physical body for good (due to damage from natural withering or accident, or disease). It then manifests another body by entering into another womb. The wombs are like pre created templates , and depending on Karma and residual energy stored in Suskhma Sharira , a womb is picked. It could be of human, or animal etc etc. And Sukshma sharira is not the pure consciousness. It is a memory store having all all experiences and karma.
The dream is an absolute perfect metaphor
Gratitude for your crystal clear explanation of our true position; it is so obvious. Nothing is born and nothing dies. Om Shanti.
I’ve been referring to Rupert material for some years now. I grasp something new each time I sit and listen.
Does anyone else find it really lonely when the people in Your life just do not seem to grasp the material in the same way?
I've actually started dreaming about myself meditating. Most pure meditations I've ever experienced. That has never happened until I listened to Rupert's dissertations. I'm grateful.
Rupert and teachers like him say exactly what the new sciences show about consciousness, oneness and all that, I love this combo!!!!
Gail Hodgson Yes these are not only interesting ideas but point one towards the ultimate truth. But FYI, these are not new, nor are they Rupert's own. They are Hindu philosophies & 'beliefs' that have been there for several thousands of years. Rupert and other such teachers (including Alan Watts, J.Krishna in the past) discuss the Hindu philosophy of Advaita (non-duality).
Incidentally, modern science is indeed just beginning to start on this level of understanding of the consciousness. So far they have been object / material focused which the Hindu/Advaita teachers explain is not the ultimate reality.
There are many other videos on the CZcams, some directly by the Hindu/Indian teachers who are coming from rich traditional schools of these ideas, and have been living them. You might like to check out.
To add on to GameOne, the Advaita text that deals particularly on the topic of 3 states (waking, dream, deep sleep) and the Turiya (pure consciousness ) that is common across all the states is the Mandukya Upanishad.
I very much like Mr. Spira's non - dogmatic approach to these questions. Phrasing the ideas of consciousness, dream state, and waking as a better model . . . rather than claiming he has arrived at the definitive truth for all time. Bravo !!!
I love this talk and what it points to. Once you see deep sleep as the true state and the waking state as the temporary one it starts to become normal and make more sense. In support of this is also the fact that True deep sleep is always the same...Nothing experienced, Dreams are sometimes experienced and always different, and the awake state is always experienced and different. If the Truth is defined as that which never changes then surely deep sleep is Reality and the awake state is the dream.
If you take the deep sleep state as the "true" state, you have a problem. It's not self-aware.
It's almost like we hold our breath and go down into the pool of the temporal world, the waking and dreaming states, and every night we have to come up for air.
I am a person who has never or rarely had vivid dreams. I always feel like I’m entering into a black hole, of emptiness. A void. A nothing. Like formless form. And people think I’m not sleeping well because I don’t have vivid dreams, and I feel quite the opposite. It feels very restful there. I hear nothing and I see nothing and then as I wake up I feel like I’m exiting this black hole of empty form. Sleep experts say I should be dreaming or that I’m dreaming and I can’t remember. But I don’t even have the recollection of possibly even having a dream or waking up thinking wow that was a weird dream but I just don’t remember it. I just go into a void. It’s quite restful.
With out doubt Rupert's teaching, message is so important and true.
Thank you Rupert
Thank you, Rupert, for this extraordinary perspective on the nature of reality and experience.
Rupert for the moment i never met you but your videos changed my life forever,your simple and clear way to express things is really something else and helped me so much,thank you thank you .
Brilliant! This matches almost exactly to some shamanic teachings that I have studied and experienced over many years. I really enjoy how well he puts his intellect and use of language into his conversations.
I love it when someone offers a new way of looking at things! In this case, the perspective that consciousness came first and that everything is contained within consciousness. I find this reversal somehow liberating as well as a comforting. Thank you. I also appreciate your views on beliefs, and forward to hearing more of what you have to share.
"a new way of looking at things" It's as least as old as the Upanishads :)
It's ancient wisdom- the "perennial philosophy"- but Rupert sure does elucidate it well
I am so deeply impressed by this work..it means everything to us in this "Matrix" of imposed belief systems..
Rupert is so clear and concise. amazing!
Oh my God! So simply explained. Thank you Rupert for sharing your knowledge.
Beautiful perspective
The beauty seems to be in the realization that the real is whole of the experience… both the ‘deep sleep and the waking.’
Well said, that all experience is “equally real.”
Rupert you are a truly great teacher. As boundaries collapse and memories of experiences that were not fully understood come back, you help to integrate being. My deepest respect.
Beautiful..nobody in my opinion has explained the three states so clearly..the great sages said the world is an illusion and left it at that ..that the majority of us trying to understand non duality cannot come to terms with because it is not our experience. Thank you Sir for your effort
deep sleep itself, pure consciousness, vibrates within itself and takes the shape of mind, and appear as dream
Dayam.....finally breaking thousands of years of holding us in false self perpetuating belief systems.....
dayum indeed
Love you Rupert :) - Its a pleasure to hear and then reflect on your explanations/concepts of reality. They make a great deal of sense to my experience and offer peace.
Karma depends on our mode of thinking .Think of it more as a theme of thinking .If it is negative you get negative experience and if it's positive you get a positive experience.That's why in order to get positive karma you need positive theme of thinking ..the best way to do that is to do good things.So that you learn to associate your self whit positive "stuff".Get the experience you want to have and fall back to the self .Never lose sight of who you are .
The Kingdom of Heaven is within.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi speaks of seven separate states of consciousness each having distinct and identifiable conditions that can be measured, quantified and verified: Waking State, Dreaming State, Deep Sleep, Transcendental Consciousness, Cosmic Consciousness, God Consciousness and Unity Consciousness or Brahman.
Each has its own physiological and experiential quality that influences perception of reality.
Brilliant, as always.
Can't be enough thankful for this description of reincarnation based on 3 stage model.... amazing understanding. 🙏🙏🙏
I am a student of ACIM and I am delighted to find you. There were concepts in ACIM that were challenging. Your words connect the dots for some of these ideas. When the student is ready, the teacher will come. I am ready and captivated. Thank you Rupert for your videos. Much love and gratitude to you.
This is one of the most profound dialogues I've ever had the pleasure to experience.
I m just wanted to say, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, INFINITELY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR TEACHINGS!!!!!! Love you Rupert!!
thank you rupert.
it makes total sense (the 3 states) from a human perspective.
iam experiencing my inner being for quiet some time and gained a lot of additional knowledge from it..
our inner being has kinda communicaiton or language (well.. sort of) but it cannot be understood in thoughts. this energie is part of a larger sysetem which is kinda incompatible with thoughts and all things physical. that‘s why we cannot perceive it.
from the perspective of my being - there is more to it then just the 3 states.
the 3 states waking, dreaming and being is merely one way.. all related to the direction of physical realm.
our inner being itself is experiencing much more. 🙏🌼
Thank You for opening challenging new perspectives on karma! So interesting!
This is simply brilliant! In Rupert's talks I see love (non-discriminated compassion), truth (profound knowledge) and beauty (quality of expression). Love, Truth and Beauty ...the manifest attributes of the Enlightened One.
Thank you Rupert ❤️
Very clear; thank you!
Incredibly insightful video. Thank you.
Incredible, insightful, well put!
Magnificent explanation. Thank you.
I was trying to understand the real meaning of those verses of Bhagavat Gita. Ruper maded it so clear. Also the model of reincarnation is well explained using the three states of experiences (and no experiences). Thanks
thank you Rupert for this..thank you.
Brilliant explanation of Karma in the context of waking, dreaming and deep sleep. I was listening to B. Kastrup’s and he gave an example of a dream of a person with multiple alters and their actions impacting each other in a common dream state. 🙇🏻♀️🙏
Thank you. I was ready to hear that just the way you said it.
Rupert continues to blow my mind and up-end the world I thought I knew or believed in
I very much appreciate your grounded approach to all topics you disucss.
Thank you
very profound and illuminating.
Wonderful presentation , thank you so much
Hey Rupert, I suggest you to check Dr. I Stevenson's study about reincarnation.
Thank you Rupert. For me, as a lucid dreamer, the waking state fear is totally gone and everything is beautiful or at least very interesting and non-harmful, I fly from dream to dream and I can dissipate fearful occurances in various ways. Is this because my teacher introduced me to this? He died a while back but he is still my teacher. When I asked him about reincarnation he said - "Do you think you are a ghost going in and out of bodies?" He was a Tamil Indian man with the title of Swami. He has a large following in India I'm told and a very small one here but he would come here and teach sometimes. I was lucky enough to have met him. You have probably never heard of him. I love him dearly.
Where do yuu live?
Best explanation I ever heard about Karma and it rings absolutely true to me.
It's how I always suspected it to be. :)
Awesome🚀
dude du bist ja überall :D
Dickkaaaa
@Brantley Drake why would I do this?
Fascinating! The most convincing model before realizing by experience.
Very apt explanation..!!
The most Real State must be that state which lasts the "longest". From our experience death is THE most final state and apparently continues to eternity.
If deep sleep,(where we lose all awareness of body,mind and environment),is indeed closest to the "Death State",then it follows that we experience our truest reality when we are in deep sleep!..
This is precisely why going to stillness (mentally) is like a "conscious" rehearsal of getting familiar with Deep Sleep and Death.You are trying to marry the Deep Sleep state with the Waking State...."Death" therefore is being experienced regularly and becoming more familiar with it makes you less uncomfortable!!...Thank you a hundred billion times Rupert...you are THE BOMB!!!....
A lucid talk in many ways and I agree with quite a lot of it...with one important exception. I don't experience anything in deep sleep. No awareness. No experience. Nothing. Literally, nothing. Therefore it cannot possibly be "pure consciousness" but rather a precursor to consciousness which requires observation or experience to complete itself. Deep sleep is to me entirely indistinguishable in any practical way from the materialist's concept of brute nonexistence. I therefore question the existence of anything called "pure consciousness." If consciousness could exist as a purity, it would have no need of phenomena and none of us would be here. Consciousness is the process of the Absolute reflecting itself.
Excactly! Awareness is prior to consciuousness.
deep, profound and soulful...
Adbhut wonderful understanding. DhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad Thanks
How about if instead of "deep sleep is most real and waking state is least real" saying "the state of deep sleep is closest to fundamental reality while the waking state is furthest removed from fundamental reality, but experiences in all states of consciousness are equally real in so far as they are all realized... equally"?
Dere z a dimension of awareness which z present in all the 3 states of waking,sleeping ,dreaming....itz called Turiya or the Fourth,as per Vedanta....we dismiss the states of deep sleep and dreaming as less real compared to waking states because we spend most of our time in waking state...but datz not justification enough........Turiya z best experienced when the thought process of da person comes completely to a standstill. ....but wid time,the person becomes aware of the presence of Turiya in all the 3 states....thus concluding,dat all the 3 states keep changing but Turiya z the only changeless constant.....hence all the state of consciousness even life and death are ephemeral events in comparison to Turiya which neither born ,nor dead....
I would call it a belief that human consciousness exists while deep sleep. And I reject all beliefs unless there is proof. Then only it’s true.
I haven’t seen proof yet. Why can’t we let go and accept that we don’t know what consciousness is besides what happens in or around humans and to a lesser degree in animals?
Beautiful. Thank you
This was helpful. Thank you
Was finding difficult to comprehend the English translation of Shankara and Gaudapada with outdated technical Sanskrit terms. Really love to hear the contemporary English version of the ancient but ever new philosophy of Be-ing, the one without beginning or end.Cleared some concepts I was feeling difficult to understand in Bhagavadgita alsoIncredible clarity of explanation. Thank you very much.
I know I'm listening to this many years later but I just recently discovered you Rupert and I really love how you explain things. At about the 15-16 min mark you explain what happens to us after we 'die'. I have so many questions about this: 1) people that are not as aware and think they are going to see a white light tunnel - will they see that because that is what they believe? 2) is the point of no more mind/thought, a 'void' like darkness - in other words what does 'consciousness' feel like? 3) you said at some point thought conceptualizes a new body and a new world for us - can we stop that process and not come back? if so, any thoughts on what other possibilities there are? (maybe no one knows) and if not, is it a completely different world (not Earth) we come back to or do we just get a different body? Well I'll stop there I guess, ha ha..
Rupert is a gift to those who have "ears to listen". He is objective and clear.
@@NadiaFranke Thanks for writing because I watched it again just now and glad I did. Yes Rupert is a gift and he explained things very well and I have more understanding and knowledge of things than I did 10 months ago (better "ears to listen" with I guess). Still, this mind we have, is not ours, and my question about whether we can stop conceptualizing a new world and body to come to after this one, stands. "What" is doing the conceptualizing? The mind. And the mind is matter.
@@HH-du4rc Brain is matter. Mind is what is stored to keep going from body to body. Each mind stores everything creating another physical body everytime we lose it through physical death. At least that's what I understood
Nobody knows til u gone...💯%
As far as understand, better to graduate this life term so I don't have to repeat this kind. Makes sense, wish me luck 😅🤣
Cristal clear! Thank you!
RS has stated something which needs careful reflection... I will work on it. Creating a higher consciousness which encompasses all else of our body and mind and its death? Is it possible to achieve in this life i.e. being aware of our death consciously and then moving to the hereafter? Brilliant...
I was not reincarnated in California, I was reincarnated in Hungary, but I have lived in Southern California most of my life. Either way, I feel I'm pretty lucky 😆. I'd prefer Maui though 😉. In my lifetime immediately prior to this one, I was one of the bad guys you referred to. In this lifetime, I'm the opposite, partly to atone for my karma in my last lifetime. I've also experienced in this lifetime being on the receiving end of others behaving toward me as I behaved toward others in that last lifetime. And what's amazing is that I have a twin flame, and he is the person I was being in my immediately prior lifetime. I am in no contact with him, we both must ascend before we can be together. And what's even more amazing is that my parents were also twin flames, and that's a story in itself. But in meditation, I have seen clearly how I have used karma, which is simply cause and effect, it's just a manifestation of Newton's third law of motion. Yes, mind continues, thank you. ❤❤
The waking state has the same characteristics as the dream state.
Present Living Buddha.
One thing is noticeable , he has not left the society and become a monk , he lives IN SOCIETY , and hence the rebellion of a Buddha is not against anyone. He simply plies a knife through a butter.
I am from India and I know that HE is a Buddha. Pity I can't go there and sit at his feets for enlightenment.
Great thing it's available on net , great only because it's a compromise .
My heartiest love .
Beautifully explained!
Thank you again ❤️ Blessings 😊
great message
He's a very good talker
Thank you :) Brilliant
Fantastico!
Near Death Experiences confirm this. When the body dies, our consciousness transitions to a different dimension of reality. It's not much different than dying in a dream. When you die in a dream, your consciousness transitions to the waking state. Our consciousness is eternally transitioning between different dimensions of reality.
Marvelous!
And Shropshire is beautiful...full of beautiful people. Xx
Would this make the experience of 'waking up' in a lucid dream akin to the experience of enlightenment in waking life? Perhaps it is easier to start lucid dreaming than it is to achieve enlightenment because the dream state is one step closer to pure consciousness? Very neat :)
Yes! Very, very similar in fact! I've been practicing lucid dreaming for a few years and had a spiritual awakening a few months ago. I don't know if the lucid dreaming helped, but the experience of becoming lucid in a dream -waking up from your 'dream person' - feels very much like waking up from your 'real' person, from your ego.
@@Raffael_Armwrestling i know this is a late reply but how did you learn to lucid dream?
If you're interested in models you could check out Siddharameshwar Maharaj who explains the "bodies" quite simply or the Tripura Rahasya or several of the books by Jaideva Singh regarding Kashmir Shaivism.
commenting so I can come back
fuck you BITCH
btw if you never have you should check out that sidd guy he looks pretty cool
love
Thank you!
How compassionate.
That model looks like "Planet (matter) - Atmosphere (Noosphere/Mind) - Space (Pure Consciousness)". Remember "Noosphere" by russian professor Vernadskiy?
two worlds view-
1. i am body in the universe.
2. I AM the centre of my universe.
1 percieves 2 as ego through ego-fear, 2 knows 1 as ego seeking loving awareness, in percieving 1 through pure loving awareness, egoless fearlessness, 2 is clearly responsible in reality.
A 2 view is 'the circle with no diameter has many centres, always the same view, expressed different ways.
"You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop." Rumi
I've been reading Neville Goddard books and he says that conciousness is the only reality. What you are concious/aware of, will be your reality. This 3D reality/waking state is malleable.
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It is a COMPLICATED TOPIC that I need to investigate more!!!
Many Thanks! :)
Thank you
Where do sleep disorders in which deep sleep is disrupted fit in with this model ? Structural brain abnormality and neuro degenerative diseases like Dewy body dementia can cause lucid dream states. Isn’t this matter affecting mind? I think I’m probably just struggling to keep up with this as all so new.
Thanks for that. I have issues with the previous life theory. In my mind I see a black plane on which energy bubble emerges and I am this ever shifting ball of energy. It seems to me that's all things can ever be. Also in my experience I believe that whatever people dream up with manifest like karma and previous life and those things are in a way real. I am not into the life is a test and the host of explanations for suffering. I feel they are grasping for meaning we need. Or is that the desire of consciousness to have meaning of existance. Bottom line of my experience is energy vibration of things and that is the one common constant and dissipating into nothing.
This is an amazing talk.
Everytime I listen to Rupert Spira, I feel a bit low in intellect. I need to watch his teachings more than one or two times to actually understand what he means. Maybe it could be because English is not my first tongue, bit I hardly experience this with other (English speaking) spiritual teachers.
Maybe it could be because I experience his teachings (or answers) not composed in a linear, easy to comprehend manner.
I would be curious if there are other people who have a similar experience.
but in the least real state, awake, I get a bullet through the heart, everything stops, in the dream state, a more real state, I get a bullet through the heart, nothing changes.
The real dreamer never gets hurt..
Amazing
thank you
Brilliant.
Clearer and clearer :)