Dennis Deep Cuts #51 Talking about Hate!
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- Dennis Deep Cuts #51
On todays episode I dive into hate. Hate towards music and musicians for petty and dumb reasons. I talk about bands that I now love and why I used to hate them and exactly how in the wrong I was and also general excused that we use to not check out bands and just how much great music we miss because our preconceived ideas. It's a great episode.
#thesmiths #thepogues #depechemode #hate #recordcollector #vinylcommunity #vinylonly - Hudba
Growing up and maturing in your music tastes is honestly one of the most beautiful and rewarding things. Like yourself (and actually a lot of the ones you mention here) .... SO many bands/genres I wrote off as a snobby little kid, that I forced myself to listen to and explore in my later years and are now some of my favourites. Fantastic video Dennis!
Thanks. Glad that people really responded to this video.
What a fantastic, awesome, honest video! I definitely shared the Smiths hate for years - now, I think I own every album.
Wonderful. That’s the way it should be.
I will die on a hill maintaining that most people have objectively bad taste.
Haha.
I'm with you on Depeche Mode. I also grew up in the 80s listening to metal and punk and it wasn't before I was well into my 30s when I really started to delve into their music. I've yet to take the plunge on The Pogues, though. I just don't think this is gonna happen any time soon.
Pogues are defiantly an acquired taste. Pretty great though.
I want to be friends with, Dennis!
I imagine a conversation with you would be a fantastic use of time on this planet. Music is a beautiful thing. And those that hate U2, simply don’t get it, and that’s too bad. Jealousy is a horrible reason to dismiss great art/music. As a punk rock idealistic kid, I was happy to hate Led Zeppelin, it now, I enjoy a good listen from time to time. Acceptance and appreciation is growth, we could all use more growth.
I am your polar opposite in certain regards but your understanding and empathy and love for art is so inspiring. ❤
Thanks. I try. 😀
Great video Dennis! I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Coming from hardcore-punk community, I can honestly say that it definitely reinforces the elitist attitude. I used to be a huge NKOTB fan, and as soon as I got the punk bug, I absolutely despised anything fun, colorful, mainstream, or in other words anything that wasn't gritty from the underground. Then it all started to change when a wave of sentiment toward the 80's pop washed over me, and made me more open-minded. I'm still hardcore kid at heart, but that doesn't prevent me to enjoy other genres, or even the cheesiest 80's pop tunes (like Italo Disco or synth pop).
But I still have a lot to improve. There are still genres or artists widely popular that I've never given a chance, because of my skewed perceptions. I think what you're doing with deliberate listening of genres you think you don't like, is a great way to not only cleanse of hate, but also to broaden the horizons.
Thanks, another great episode! I was always getting a lot of pity laughs for my love of Def Leppard, but I‘m glad it never stopped me from listening to them!
If you love it then love it. It’s the only way.
I also like that you focussed on the European bands too - Radiohead and I had the same kind of relationship and it also took his soundtrack stuff(ESPECIALLY SUSPIRIA) to bring me around to being able to give them more credit....do a video on GREAT FILMS/SHOWS - not the art-house classics that we all have to like but the stuff like Suspiria/Dark that really deserve some merit and CAN help songwriters break through their writer's block and really go to another level in their own artistry by recognizing and being influenced by other mediums/genre's than the one focussed on in the moment! Thanks again and stay safe Dennis!
Excellent episode and very interesting topic. Also much respect for being an unapologetically positive presence on this platform!
Three things come to mind that I hat(ed) for petty reasons. The first probably lots of punk/metalhead/alt kids recognize in one form or another. As a dumb punk kid I felt I was too cool and too punk to listen to any pop music so I was dismissive of it for the longest time. Anything pop, fuck it; not interested. Don't even know when it changed, or what changed but somewhere between my teens and my current age of 33 I matured enough to open the door to pop music. It's now one of the genres that I listen to most, next to hardcore and hip hop.
The second one is any straight edge music. I found straight edge kids at shows to be no fun and weirdly conservative. Not people I enjoyed hanging out with, so anytime a band was linked to that I felt no incentives to check them out. I think I got over that when I befriended a (former) straight edge dude and we became the best of friends.
Lastly there's a bunch of bands that my ex-partner was really into. We didn't have the best breakup so I threw out a lot of music that just reminded me of her. Some of it has come back since but I still feel a likely irrational dislike for The National.
Haha. Irrational dislike is just something that we have to live with.
Thanks for a really good episode!
I was in to industrial music and EBM in my youth. I was living in a small town and considered myself to be a part of those sub-genres. I missed out on SO much music just because I refused to admit that it could be good. Such a pity. BUT there is so much to discover now. Still go directly to the industrial section in a record store before exploring the other areas though... :)
I still go straight to the punk section. 😀
Thanks Dennis! Here's one:
I hated on Ne-yo because I wanted the dark, brooding, and violent music. I liked the guys who wear black shirts, denims, leather, and talk about society when I was 16 in 2009. when I had my first relationship and eventually breakup at 2012, Ne-yo's "Mad" was still on repeat and young, and naive me never listened to his lyrics (I haven't checked out his records, etc. tbh) BUT his song "Mad" made me cry for weeks. That song was on repeat until I got over my first breakup. No pantera, no darkthrone, no refused, just Ne-Yo's Mad. this was the time I realized RnB in and music in general ain't all that bad. I definitely agree that there's only good and bad music.
Hey Dennis, glad to hear you came around on The Pogues! That’s my first tattoo in fact. Do you know what song it was that turned the switch for you?
Greetings from São Paulo!!!! Well....about Bono....speaking about, not popularity and numbers....but you're also a big rockstar and a real legend too. And these videos are so good because they show a great human being becoming more mature and, I absolutely have no doubt that has to be a great privilege to be your friend!!!
Thank you and I really hope that my friends think so. 😀
Thanks for this great episode!
I would had another reason for hating some artists: stubbornness + the lack of curiosity. I used to "hate" Muse because somehow I thought they sounded like Coldplay (not my thing - at all). At 27 years old I thought I'd give them "another chance" (more like... The 1st one) and I felt dumb. I loved what I was listening to and I now know all the lyrics! They even made it into my top 3 artists of 2023 🎉
Better late than never. 😀
Great episode and a very relatable topic. You are a wise man Dennis :)
Haha. I try!!!
This episode was fantastic
I missed out on so many good hardcore bands when I was in high school in the mid 2000s because me and my pretentious punk friends only liked hardcore in the style of early 80s USHC, and we thought all of the bands doing 90s NYHC or anything too polished and heavy sounding were " jock tough guy bullshit". And man, there were some great bands that I could have scene at the time if I wasn't so close minded.
Yeah, but the beauty of it is that it's not too late. As I learned the hard way. As we all learn the hard way! :)
Such a great and maybe also important episode that could be applied to a lot more than music. Personally I still have Rage on my list to (re)discover, unfairly dismissed for above reasons, haha, one day. What about "Things I pretended to like but only understood/liked much later?"
Haha. Thats a great topic.
I’m still loving the Sweden punk scene. It pulls me in and helps me sleep at night.
Check out Sister front that band I mentioned, blindside. It’s raw and has a good vide. But really…
The shape of punk to come can make you hold your breath. I find myself agreeing with the premise of slow start off beat tempo change and all out war.
It’s an orchestrated rawness that is meant to control the mood.
Plastic pride had a wave over there too.
Mind bending stuff. It’s a new day there…and I’m still stuck in Thursday. Have a good one brother.
Keep bringing it
Plastic price are buddies of mine. They were a great band.
Great topic and great episode Dennis. Totally agree with putting our preconception in their place and looking purely at things to see how we actiually feel ourselves about and piece of art. Many of my favourite albums and films etc are not necessarily loved by the masses. But sometimes a piece of art just connects and i cant help but like it for whatever reason. I have been lucky to have been always pretty out on my own limb abnd had a couple of friends sitting on that limb with me which gave us all cconfidence and approval to enjoy all genres and style of art and music and film.
Almost nothing that I like is loved by the masses. And that’s the way it should be.
@@Dennisdeepcuts that’s part of what makes your own music alive and unique.
On your own terms for your own reasons.
Dude. We need some live Lyxzen bands in New Zealand, ASAP!!
How can we make this happen?! 🙏
@@wayfarervisual book us and we’ll come. Haha.
@@Dennisdeepcuts I’ll see what I can do.
I like that you did this - I think I've been guilty of this and if we're going to get anywhere as a culture and a species we're going to need a lot more of these types of convesations!
Thanks. Let’s turn our petty hate into love. Or at least an understanding that we are petty. Haha.
The gatekeepers hate it when you bring punk/hardcore to the mainstream. How dare a band not want to work a 9 to 5 job and make a living on something that they love doing.
Any hardcore band that goes on Live television gets hated. I love seeing bands succeed and don't see why they get a lot of hate. If I had a chance to make a living off doing something I love doing then, I would go for it.
I love seeing hardcore going big!!!
@Dennisdeepcuts Me too. Bands should keep doing it to piss off the gatekeepers
Massive respect for bringing out this topic, it's important to distinguish music as good or bad (for each person) and not based on tribalism. I'm eccletic in my musical taste and listen to all kind of genres. However, I do make an exception for U2, it's just beyond bad music, it's a bad musical band (awful rhythm section, bad guitar playing and Bono...).
Haha. It’s your right not to like U2. As long as it’s well founded.
I always hated later Husker Du, anything post New Day Rising I thought was weak sauce. I slowly came round and realised that everything they did was brilliant
They were one of the best hardcore bands that turned into one of the best pop bands. But yes, it took me a while to get there as well.
I was hoping epa-dunk would show up on this list.
Great theme for a list thou.
Since I've been a "music hater" myself, I can relate with almost everything you said. I've been fully there when I was younger and even if one matures, opens his mind and understands that your choices/tastes in music are not some kind of universal truth except for yourself, I still have some "hater" reactions here and there because that's how I evolved my "online character" and I think it's too engraved in my subconsciousness to fully avoid it.
I didn't really think that was a problem, since I was (mostly) doing it in an humorous way and taking it not too seriously. BUT, a few years ago (let's say... 6 or 7, not more), I started to worry about the "hate issue" you talk about, about how even things one says to be supposedly fun and "transgressive" have indeed a social impact, in the bigger picture and also in your direct environment. And I just decided to stfu. If I can't be positive and kind and lovely, at least let's not be a part of the problem. I'm actually trying to work it out and when I just feel the urge to comment/share views wherever, I try to not be an intolerant offensive bitch. But I gotta admit it's not going too well for now... so I mostly try to keep my mouth shut :P
Having said that, let's share some of my "reasons" to hate on music/musicians:
- "This is just a product, not art". Sure... there's music that's for the market, that's just "entertainment for the masses". So what? We're all prostitutes in the end, right? Why musicians can't? What kind of pure being am I to throw shit upon how someone makes a living?
And about the music itself, I may dislike it because [insert social/political deep reasons and add some edgy music tastes] but tons of people enjoy that kind of music, it makes their lives happier and better and I have no right to be an asshole to them. Not to add that when I was saying it fully believing my reasons, I was enjoying lots of "musical products" that were just not that obvious... but still were products. It's a pretty simplistic argument if you look at it carefully.
-"This music is meaningless" as "it has no political/philosophical statements". Somehow related to the previous reason. This was something I used to argue against everything, even music I liked myself. Even against music that was meaningful but I wasn't understanding. As I grew up, I understood that's almost impossible to make "meaningless" music... and I also understood that it's ok to make a meaningless songs on purpose. Music, as an expression form, is way bigger than any political/social message and just because I saw it as a tool for social change, it doesn't mean that it can't be used to express all kinds of feelings. That's, indeed, its magic.
- "This has no musical quality". I was saying this mostly to attack commercial pop, techno and all genres which are allegedly "simple". The irony is how much I loved Punk when I was saying this to people. And also that I don't really have much knowledge about music theory. Yes. I know. Let's move on.
- "This has clean vocals". Damn... I'm in talking in the wrong scene now! OK, let's stfu.
So, let's end my comment. Even if I subscribed to your channel when you promoted it in your Instagram, this is the first time I watch one of your videos. Shame on me since I enjoyed this one a lot and loved the main message. I'll be watching you more from now on. But probably from silence.
Cheers Mr. Dennis!
Thanks for the feedback and the stories. We live and we learn and it’s a struggle.
@@Dennisdeepcuts Wow, I got a reply from the guy of AC4! Sorry for making you read such a huge comment :P
Way too old to be hating on music any more, but did I use to do it When I was a teenager? You bet I did, lol! Just for you Dennis, I will say that I used to hate on Refused because you wore suits, and now you're one of my favorite bands.
Oh. That’s is totally my conclusion as well. But I was a young hater.
And I was kinda the only one that really wore suits. 😀
And thank you.
Hi Dennis! I used to “hate” Suede and Muse. Thought they were pretentious and pompous. Now I like them :)
That’s fantastic. And pretentious and pompous can be great!!!
I like Sinatra and hardcore/punk
Me too!!!
Dennis you ever listened to any Polyphia? What do think about the music and the band, modern day they’re definitely a big subject of hate for pretentiousness and what not
Never heard them but now I have to check em out.
Lol Dennis do you know where Morrissey talked about refused?? I need to see this
Can't remember. It's like 10 years ago and he was talking about Hardcore music. I'm gonna try to find it.
Great episode, did you call yourself a C-tier Bono or Z-tier? 😂
I did yeah. Haha. Need to know your place in the world.
Good stuff! Any plans to make a video on working class/ socialist albums, bands, and singers?
Did a episode called Revolution rock where I talk about a lot that type of stuff and bands and artists the influenced my political thinking.
Great episode!
Hey Dennis, glad to hear you came around on The Pogues! That’s my first tattoo in fact. Do you know what song it was that turned the switch for you?
Thousands are sailing was the song.
@@Dennisdeepcuts fantastic song, Shane was truly an amazing lyricist. London You’re a Lady is one of those great examples of a happy sounding song that has some incredible lyrics . It gives a sense of both incredible beauty and incredible deprivation. Loved the video, we’ve all done this and you’ve convinced me to give U2 another go. I worked with a man many years ago whom would not stop hammering away about how good they are, and out of spite I hated them.
@@AdamGillanders spite hate is so common. Haha.