To explain MTI as briefly as possible, the difference between MTI and PD is as follows: PD - Using the doppler effect to pick up on the velocity of targets to the radar relative to the ground. It therefore ignores ground clutter. MTI - Basically standard radar but it sends out a wave, looks at the image, and then sends out another wave. It will then compare the two and see what has changed, presenting a change as a target. This is kind of why it is more vulnerable to chaff in WT due to how Standard search is modeled.
Opposite on my experience actually, MTI is almost chaff immune (or it will be deviated but the missile will still hit, that still counts as a success right?) while pulse doppler can just be undone by flying at 90 degrees to the radar (cone). MTI is literally a godsend and will grant me a kill 95% of the time with the R24Rs. I know more or less enough physics to understand doppler which is fun and I still don't understand why MTI doesn't work when the relative velocity is zero, but overall I think I'd pick the MTI, in game anyway, I'm not a physicist (ew).
I also find that if u lock a jet with irst or radar the missiles and especially r60s will track better and not so vulnurable to flares. didnt get to r24 so can you tell me some tactics how to use it?
@@chaos..... The R-24R's are fine if you're decent with using the radar, but I prefer to go up to super high altitude abusing the Mig-23MLA/D's insane climb rate to loft the R-24T's onto targets below. I have numerous times slapped people 8-10km away in rear aspect due to the missiles holding so much speed on the way down. My climb profile is as follows (Take 30m fuel. Text is assuming spaded): Take off at a slight side-climb to the battlefield --> Climb at 10 degrees --> Fold wings all the way in at ~700km/h TAS --> Increase angle to 25 degrees at 0.8 mach --> Increase to 35 degrees at 0.9-0.95 mach --> Hold till 7500m+ (I go higher if I feel I have not been detected. Watch for phoenix launches the whole way up and prepare to notch if engaged).
@@Registered_Simp Thanks, will try when I open it, grinding that boy out of stock is pain and I already lost like 300k, also does notch work for phoenix?
@@chaos..... Notch works for any and all radar guided missiles. It just matters how tight their tolerances are. Since CW seekers are working off the doppler effect, they measure in velocity. Aim-54 can hold lock on lower speeds than other radar guided missiles in-game and also has inertial guidance. This means that if you do not chaff while in the notch, the missile will remember your last known heading, attitude, and speed, and try to guess where you will be in X number of seconds to either impact you or re-acquire you. The missile itself if less maneuverable, but the seeker takes no prisoners
it always bothers me to see a channel ive watched for a while be underrated. I love that jetboob, you are passionate about the game and the community, and i love the content! You got me back into warthunder and this channel keeps my into it. Love you bro ❤ love the content
The MiG 23 is a plane I like and I have seen one, National Air and Space Museum in Dayton Ohio. They have so many airplanes and some helicopters, two places to eat, and a big gift shop. If your in the area on going on a trip. I recommend this place for people who like planes too.
Nothing like the stock grind of the MLA kicking my ass again today and the first video I watch in my feed involves me getting smacked out of the air from another pov lol
Yeah, I think a full commitment to learning radar to the point where it's second nature would have made that sunset match too easy for finding the enemy at the start. It's quite literally the largest game changer in aerial combat that the next innovation in modern aircraft was to avoid it with stealth. Easiest way for me was making sure I didn't have to move my hands to operate the radar, in other words hotas.
Quick comment about the radar locking beneath the plane at low altitudes. This is due to a phenomenon called multipath propagation in which case the radar waves being emitted from the enemy's radar are reflected off of your plane into the ground or into the clouds above, where they are then reflected back to the enemy's radar, causing false targets in the ground and/or way up in the sky to appear on the radar.
Hey Jet Noob, the radar locking ground is on purpose, RADAR that only uses pulse dopplar will get a return from anything hard (why chaff clouds work) and the radar can't see the plane in the clutter of the hard ground that is sending RADAR returns. Phased array radar doesn't have this issue, and has what's called "look down shoot down", which means it can lock on targets that have the ground as the background. Getting beneath a plane that has fired a SAR missile that has pulse dopplar can be a good way to attempt to break lock. Another reason why notching and chaff work is the same way, you create too much returns that hide the shape of the plane. Disclaimer, I may have gotten the RADAR types mixed up, please correct me if I'm wrong
The SARH locking a ghost below the target happens to all missiles, if I remember correctly, it's cause the radar waves bounce on the ground, giving the target a fake image, identical to the true one
I just want to point out that using landing flaps in high aoa and low energy is actually counterproductive since the flaps ad a downward pitch momentum.
MLD is my favorite and most played top tier plane. I’m more of a MiG fanboy. MLD works for aggressive and passive players. Yes R24R’s are much more consistent since the missile buff. Not to mention the majority of your opponents do not expect you to be using SARH with the MLD. I grinded the MLD the patch it released and still to this day, it’s still in the meta. I absolutely love 1v1’ing in it. If you can maintain that energy / get good shots off you can easily tear just about anything down. Beware of the mirage 2C, j7 e (after the nerf), f14a (competent pilots), kefir c7(competent pilots), MLA(it holds energy better but slightly better than the MLD.
I unlocked this thing recently and while using the r13ms stock i actually got some pretty nasty kills, they're pretty darn flare resistant and they feel faster(?) than the r60s
can you do a video on the mig 17 as its been left behind in the matchmaker around it, i don't think it should get moved down to 8.7 but it needs some help
How to F-82 video?Please i struggle in war thunder i have only 5,059 silver lions. and also when ever i fly f-82 even a 3 kill game i dont get even near to makeing enough sl to pay the 15k sl reapair cost. thank you for your great vids
I'm still confused how my MiG-23ML R-60M Sniped your F-14 kill during the Severe Damage Tests, when the F-14 was flare spamming and the missile ran out of fuel 2-3 KM back from when I fired it.
These videos are really helpful for me as a new Top Tier player so I can understand my enemies. Could do please make a video about the J35D? It would be so useful for me
Its the most over powered plane in the fucking game,i still cannot belive gijian allowed this to constantly be the best plane in the game by fucking far for almost a fucking year just to add an f14 that gets mixed matched making and fights itself
Day 29 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0 Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62 Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
Just no. Aardwarknisover three times as heavy, and has a completely different mission profile. This is a statement wrong 9n the level of the 'FW190 is the german B25'.
@@EdibleRockingChair That is just so fucking dumb. Like dumb on the level of 'this ww2 italian midget submarine used for special forces insertion is a los angeles class nuclear hunter killer submarine because if I squint they have a similar outline.
Locking the ground underneath a target at low altitude isn't a bug, it's an actual problem with radar systems of this era. Forget what the effect is called though
Hey Jetnoob you are such a good air rb player and I’ve been taking notes of how you play and is helping me a lot! Much love from Belgium
❤
Holly shit ur also from belgium?????
Francais ou Nérlandais?
I live in Bruxelles lol
@@pikachuda1384 France > néerlande
To explain MTI as briefly as possible, the difference between MTI and PD is as follows:
PD - Using the doppler effect to pick up on the velocity of targets to the radar relative to the ground. It therefore ignores ground clutter.
MTI - Basically standard radar but it sends out a wave, looks at the image, and then sends out another wave. It will then compare the two and see what has changed, presenting a change as a target. This is kind of why it is more vulnerable to chaff in WT due to how Standard search is modeled.
Opposite on my experience actually, MTI is almost chaff immune (or it will be deviated but the missile will still hit, that still counts as a success right?) while pulse doppler can just be undone by flying at 90 degrees to the radar (cone). MTI is literally a godsend and will grant me a kill 95% of the time with the R24Rs.
I know more or less enough physics to understand doppler which is fun and I still don't understand why MTI doesn't work when the relative velocity is zero, but overall I think I'd pick the MTI, in game anyway, I'm not a physicist (ew).
I also find that if u lock a jet with irst or radar the missiles and especially r60s will track better and not so vulnurable to flares. didnt get to r24 so can you tell me some tactics how to use it?
@@chaos..... The R-24R's are fine if you're decent with using the radar, but I prefer to go up to super high altitude abusing the Mig-23MLA/D's insane climb rate to loft the R-24T's onto targets below. I have numerous times slapped people 8-10km away in rear aspect due to the missiles holding so much speed on the way down.
My climb profile is as follows (Take 30m fuel. Text is assuming spaded):
Take off at a slight side-climb to the battlefield --> Climb at 10 degrees --> Fold wings all the way in at ~700km/h TAS --> Increase angle to 25 degrees at 0.8 mach --> Increase to 35 degrees at 0.9-0.95 mach --> Hold till 7500m+ (I go higher if I feel I have not been detected. Watch for phoenix launches the whole way up and prepare to notch if engaged).
@@Registered_Simp Thanks, will try when I open it, grinding that boy out of stock is pain and I already lost like 300k, also does notch work for phoenix?
@@chaos..... Notch works for any and all radar guided missiles. It just matters how tight their tolerances are. Since CW seekers are working off the doppler effect, they measure in velocity. Aim-54 can hold lock on lower speeds than other radar guided missiles in-game and also has inertial guidance. This means that if you do not chaff while in the notch, the missile will remember your last known heading, attitude, and speed, and try to guess where you will be in X number of seconds to either impact you or re-acquire you. The missile itself if less maneuverable, but the seeker takes no prisoners
That feeling when Joob vids come out!
it always bothers me to see a channel ive watched for a while be underrated. I love that jetboob, you are passionate about the game and the community, and i love the content! You got me back into warthunder and this channel keeps my into it. Love you bro ❤ love the content
What’s jetboob? Lol
I found your channel like 2 or 3 days ago and I'm enjoying the content a lot. Keep it up 👍
LOVE YOU JOOB IN ALL HONESTY I JUST LOVE WATCHING THE GAMEPLAY IN YOUR VIDS MAKES IT SO SATISFYING
nigerian
Very skilled, love your vids and what I can learn from them
Congrats on 15K!
ive watched the intro like 20 times
i thought a few people would appreciate that xd
The MiG 23 is a plane I like and I have seen one, National Air and Space Museum in Dayton Ohio. They have so many airplanes and some helicopters, two places to eat, and a big gift shop. If your in the area on going on a trip. I recommend this place for people who like planes too.
Gigachad has uploaded again, amazing jetnoob.
thank you for this nice and enjoyable video
Nothing like the stock grind of the MLA kicking my ass again today and the first video I watch in my feed involves me getting smacked out of the air from another pov lol
You're jetnoob then I'm jet embryo
Yeah, I think a full commitment to learning radar to the point where it's second nature would have made that sunset match too easy for finding the enemy at the start. It's quite literally the largest game changer in aerial combat that the next innovation in modern aircraft was to avoid it with stealth. Easiest way for me was making sure I didn't have to move my hands to operate the radar, in other words hotas.
this men deserve more subcribers he is making good videos keep it up men
This channel is so underated
ty :)
That first match was crazy.
I love those long drawn out dogfights. Even if I lose they are infinitely better than 1000 easy missile kills. Lol
I love the MIG-23MLD
The Grand Canyon map is probably my favorite EC map in the game
love the intro
this is such a badass plane
Quick comment about the radar locking beneath the plane at low altitudes. This is due to a phenomenon called multipath propagation in which case the radar waves being emitted from the enemy's radar are reflected off of your plane into the ground or into the clouds above, where they are then reflected back to the enemy's radar, causing false targets in the ground and/or way up in the sky to appear on the radar.
Hey Jet Noob, the radar locking ground is on purpose, RADAR that only uses pulse dopplar will get a return from anything hard (why chaff clouds work) and the radar can't see the plane in the clutter of the hard ground that is sending RADAR returns. Phased array radar doesn't have this issue, and has what's called "look down shoot down", which means it can lock on targets that have the ground as the background. Getting beneath a plane that has fired a SAR missile that has pulse dopplar can be a good way to attempt to break lock. Another reason why notching and chaff work is the same way, you create too much returns that hide the shape of the plane.
Disclaimer, I may have gotten the RADAR types mixed up, please correct me if I'm wrong
The algorithm knows what it’s doing.
For those of you who don’t know a mig-23 just crashed at an air show (both pilots ejected)
The SARH locking a ghost below the target happens to all missiles, if I remember correctly, it's cause the radar waves bounce on the ground, giving the target a fake image, identical to the true one
Based groan tube intro
first 5 seconds of this video had me DYING lmao
ooOOOEEEEHHGGG
EEEUUUGGhhooo
Unlocked it today. Already got the MLA, so we shall see. Hope it lives up to it.
Goddamn i love that outro
Fax
1:40
bro just discovered modern A2A fighting and BVR combat
The opening tho.... Lmao.
I just want to point out that using landing flaps in high aoa and low energy is actually counterproductive since the flaps ad a downward pitch momentum.
MLD is my favorite and most played top tier plane. I’m more of a MiG fanboy. MLD works for aggressive and passive players. Yes R24R’s are much more consistent since the missile buff. Not to mention the majority of your opponents do not expect you to be using SARH with the MLD. I grinded the MLD the patch it released and still to this day, it’s still in the meta. I absolutely love 1v1’ing in it. If you can maintain that energy / get good shots off you can easily tear just about anything down. Beware of the mirage 2C, j7 e (after the nerf), f14a (competent pilots), kefir c7(competent pilots), MLA(it holds energy better but slightly better than the MLD.
subbed
"Radar missiles are for nerds"
I play one controller and had a question, how do you look backwards and still move your plane like what bind is that.
Cool
Bro how do you use the SARH missiles? I’ve tried multiple times and can not figure out the radar lock 😭
nice video
why is it important to set the fuse to 0,0s?
and how is the setting called for switching to bomb sight in cockpit view?
Can you make a vid about the T-2 Early?
*Laughs in DCS*
Can you show us your control setup?
I as well have the same trouble with radar,
Yea of course its worthy,its still OP,still newer than the f14 and its missiles never seem to miss
The start of vid tho
Hey jetnoob, I'm about to get my first mig21(j7ii) any tips? I know I can dog fight in circles like the a5c
Use hit n run tactics and only dogfight when the enemy is isolated
outro song? (phonk)
I unlocked this thing recently and while using the r13ms stock i actually got some pretty nasty kills, they're pretty darn flare resistant and they feel faster(?) than the r60s
they are essentially aim 9j's, longer range, less g pull.
can you do a video on the mig 17 as its been left behind in the matchmaker around it, i don't think it should get moved down to 8.7 but it needs some help
man i want to, but i also really don't want to play 9.0 right now.
Could you please do a video on the f80a
Lol look at my channel
The way that not really pulse doppler works better than normal pulse doppler is really not surprising given its a Russian plane
How to F-82 video?Please
i struggle in war thunder i have only 5,059 silver lions. and also when ever i fly f-82 even a 3 kill game i dont get even near to makeing enough sl to pay the 15k sl reapair cost. thank you for your great vids
I think your radar issues are exactly why so many jets have had RIOs in the real world
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how do i set up the semi auto mode
MiG-23 MALD
Mld still slaps
I'm still confused how my MiG-23ML R-60M Sniped your F-14 kill during the Severe Damage Tests, when the F-14 was flare spamming and the missile ran out of fuel 2-3 KM back from when I fired it.
These videos are really helpful for me as a new Top Tier player so I can understand my enemies. Could do please make a video about the J35D? It would be so useful for me
One tip, don't play it
@@AZ-dj1ni if played well u can do something good
tavolo
testo di sotto
@@Betto_333 anche secondo me, comunque un’altra volta mi hai scritto palesemente ita
@@tavolo2969 you can say the same for any plane lol
People don't realise how good the MLD is lmao
Its the most over powered plane in the fucking game,i still cannot belive gijian allowed this to constantly be the best plane in the game by fucking far for almost a fucking year just to add an f14 that gets mixed matched making and fights itself
@@lamborgatti-4783 exactly, it's idiotic
Hey we got f14s now so next is f18 super hornets??? Right?
next would be F-15
I dont know should i buy mig 23mld or the f4s two? The country doesnt Matter.with which aircraft Can you get more Kills in (average)?
need that outro song
description lol
How do you have your radar as a square?
its a b scope radar.
@@darkseid1358 How can you enable that?
@@alexandermihaylov3555 there's a setting in wt I think it's named "toggle radar square indicator"
what about the mig 21s
I can’t find his discord server
Day 29 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0
Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each
Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62
Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended
Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
:)
Your frame rate got me jealous
Mig 23 mla?
2:47 dmn that F-14 player at low speed and he hadn't extended the wings to have better turn rate, what a newbie
To expensive to fly and Stock grind
Im 11 and play this game and i really want f104 America can u play it
Wait until they camp over spawn in custom battle with r24
"We have F-111 Aardvark at home"
Just no.
Aardwarknisover three times as heavy, and has a completely different mission profile.
This is a statement wrong 9n the level of the 'FW190 is the german B25'.
@@egoalter1276 Homie I want you to look up a photo of the Mig-23 and then look up a photo of the F-111. I don't care about stat cards lmfao
@@EdibleRockingChair That is just so fucking dumb. Like dumb on the level of 'this ww2 italian midget submarine used for special forces insertion is a los angeles class nuclear hunter killer submarine because if I squint they have a similar outline.
@@egoalter1276 Mad because I'm right
@@EdibleRockingChair Well, no. YOu are just an idiot. And I wont waste another breath on you.
Oh? R60 has loal?
Better then the J7E
-9999999 social credits
@@ardap3966 没有共产党才有新中国
HELP ME I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM
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bro intro lmao
Fellow Tool fan lmao
@@user-mm6dn9mx4z YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bro play the G91/R4 please
Well not anymore
Viggen video ?
i requested a test drive for it, just waiting on gaijin :)
First
can you make F4c video
Day 8 of asking for the F3D-1
The MLD is not worthy, the only thing that makes the MLD still good are the R24s, remove them and it becomes useless
german vairant is better ngl
a lot bla bla, but nothing usefull...
Locking the ground underneath a target at low altitude isn't a bug, it's an actual problem with radar systems of this era. Forget what the effect is called though
Ground clutter, it's why look down shoot down radar is important, and why sometimes being lower is good, since a radar may not see you