The Saddest Top Tier Jet
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The Saddest Top Tier Jet - Hry
Recorded before the patch drop! But also still stands as SA grippen itsnt tea dripping like the tornado!
I've loved it at least. I use the Italian one, but I got a very nice 4 kill game with it about 2-4 days ago on the volcano map. It's a lot of fun when it works out for you. Honestly, I think it has one of the best radars out there aside from the pulse Doppler being head on only. I like its scope scale and search cone options. Better than the F-14's radar.
tornado should have been added with aim120, wouldnt even be OP but you could use it correctly that way.
Maybe I didn't pay enough attention to see it used, but you are aware you can switch tracking to and from pulse Doppler without losing lock just like a tomcat right? I saw a couple times a skyflash kill would have been easy if locked with pulse then switch to normal.
Also brother the F3 Tornado will get AIM120 lol..... and The Snail hates this plane because it can get aim 9 Ms and the Super temps are better in real life
I just got my first jet the phantom and I don't know how to do jet battles with radar
No wonder it performs poorly in such a setting, as the Tornado ADV was made specifically to be a long range missile truck to counter Soviet bombers, which with their long range and standoff weapons were a very real threat to UK bases and facilities. As such the Tornado had massive range and very powerful radar, and the entire aircraft was optimized to fly long endurance CAP missions far out over the North Sea and North Atlantic to defend against Soviet bomber attacks, something which it excelled at. It was never intended to be a dog fighter, and it would naturally suffer in a WT setting
Youll notice he got really lucky in this video engaging enemies at long ranges because he got mostly enduring confrontation maps. So he was actually able to stand off and use the energy retention and powerful engines to constantly go cold and re-engage.
The Tornado is a perfect example of a good plane that's suffering because WT is hardly balanced for any aircraft past the year 1950
I mean it just shows that the Tornado was primarily a fighter-bomber that could also launch Fox 1 missiles. Britain was the only country that wanted this, Germany and Italy were fine with the Tornado just being a supersonic bomb truck for deep strikes, SEAD and recon. But Britain went ahead and bastardized the aircraft and apparently they were happy. For a couple of years. Then they went on to join the Eurofighter program and it completely replaced the ADV in 2005.
thanks for explaining dude
@@basswarnow Britain was the only country within the Tornado group that *needed* it. Saying Germany didn't want it is simply a reflection of their strategic position and needs. Italy & the Saudis decided they did need it and bought it.
It's very simple really: like the ADV, the IDS was among the last of the specialised aircraft types developed. *Everyone* moved to multirole platforms and that's all you're likely to see moving forward. Most countries simply can't afford dedicated platforms anymore and technology has advanced to the point that dedicatde platforms don't bring a lot of extra benefit over multirole.
wt setting being gaijin refusing to release any meaningful nato missiles while the su27 is out rn with potentially 6 of the best irccm missiles from the 90's and hmd... we get sparrows.
Not sure if you saw, Gaijan banned 40,000 cheaters in War Thunder today. Turns out some guy infiltrated 20+ hacking groups, got their source codes and turned it over to Gaijan :D
What do cheats do you for you in wt? Like esp or something?
@@the_real_crying_cat240I saw one that was listed as giving you lead indicators for air rb like it was arcade
@@the_real_crying_cat240 ESP and ability to lead the target for you (like a laser range finder at toptier nowaday - on a King tiger for example)
Imagine cheating at a game
@@petep8828the grind gets to some people I guess.
Hey! I was that inverted Viggen. I didn't even realize I was playing with you hahaha. Nice video!
and I was completely shocked to see you featured in a war thunder video
I love your music man
Hope to see more WT in tournament of aces!
Looked like he shot you down at 17:30 ;D
are you Australian?
Putting an interceptor fighter into a dogfight game was always going to be a bad idea
IF they ever put F22 or F35 it's have the same problems.
There are a shit ton of interceptors in this game lmao
and theyre trash compared to dogfighters@@102ndsmirnov7
@@knowahnosenothing4862 F-22 would utterly crush WT's gametype. It out dogfights everything it's been able to test against to the point that nothing else bar an F-35A really comes close. A Eurofighter can POSSIBLY out BvR it because the Meteor missile is crazy good paired with the Eurofighter's great radar, but that's at ranges that WT maps just don't support.
It would have been fine if they didn't do what they always do with British keys and add our one ours already obsolete. It ships have been in game before the tomcat. The fact they added it along side air superiority fighters was a complete joke and yet another spot on the face for an anticipated British vehicle
17:43 so the secret to AIM-9Ls is just to lock what you don't want to hit
the missile will be annoyed and want to switch targets like normal, but this way it'll see the enemy aircraft and voluntarily track it instead of the aircraft being the initial target it doesn't care about
14:08 Oh my god Lucas Ricciotti. He's a composer here on CZcams and he has made some excellent epic remakes of Ace Combat music, along with some really good AC inspired originals. Look him up!
the Tornado F.3 also has 3 ACM scan patterns, the one you used in the video, another one that's +10 to +55 degrees (so you can lock things above you but also things you're turning towards for some funny HOBS shots), and a HUD scan pattern which matches the view from the cockpit
Tornado F3 is one of my most played aircraft and honestly, I really like it. The 9L is solid within 1km and the radar + supertemps make for a seriously powerful combo. Back before the SU27 the idea of carrying 8 missiles into a game was also pretty rare, and in a full downtier the F3 is an ace machine for that reason.
Shame you never get downtiers at 11.3 anymore, such is life sometimes
When these new planes or the next batch hit 12.7. I think the F3 will eat. I love the thing. But its not able to fight 12.0s let alone 12.3s. But its also better then most 11.3s. So once 12.7 starts eating 11.7+ it might do well.
i enjoy it too ^^
It's my favourite plane in war thunder 😁 use to watch them take off back in air cadets super close to the runway
Phantoms take 8 missiles all the time and f4j and f4s are better for grinding
@@King-_Of-_Mars eh not necessarily, grinded the Gripen out with the Tornado F.3 as its definetly a better plane than the phantom
as an "older" gamer I really appreciate the throw back memes and vibes in the editing. When is our glorious editor gonna treat us to another symphonic masterclass of audio engineering accompanied by the finest of WT content creators that ever existed?
Can you please cover the swedish Gripen? I would love to see you play that in a video.
got a video coming out soon!
@@PhlyDailyW PHLY!!!
@@PhlyDaily W Phil
@@PhlyDaily Could you cover literally _any_ Israeli plane? Preferably one that doesn't suck? IS there one?
@@headrockbeatsBarak kfir baz
The main issue with the aim9l on the tornado is that you have to point your nose at the enemy first… in a tornado
and not wingrip
Lmao
17:42 In my god knows how many years of watching Phly I think this id the highest I’ve heard him go
Gaijin adding the Tornado without AMRAAMs is like adding a B-29 that can only carry 100lb bombs
What? The ADV Tornado didn't carry AMRAAMs for the first 8 years of its service life, and they weren't fully integrated with the electronics until the early 2000s, definitely not an iconic combo...
Adding the Tornado with AMRAAMs would've been way too risky at first, however I think that not giving it AIM-9M was a mistake, it's literally the only thing that would keep it competitive at 12.0+ battles.
In the future, a later variant with the AMRAAM+ASRAAM combo could be very competitive
@@jfv2312 Not to mention the asraam, that would help it massively
@@jfv2312to be honest, giving it 9Ms would be a mistake. Even at 11.3 it is already a boat with missiles; just giving it 9Ms guarantees that its BR will increase, and that it will never see downtiers to where it's actually viable.
the Viggen was known for its splendid upside-down performance
That Viggen Pilot was transferred from Australia
Also is performance as a jetski on water
This daily content is awesome. Love u Phly. Could you run the Ho-Go-Exp or the Ho-Ro? Ive been loving it
Phly sounds like he’s dying inside every time one of those missiles misses then it cracks me up when he brings out the slight swearing 😂😂
7:40 damn that reverse thrust animation is nice. It looks like a medieval soldier visor shield. Fking cool!
Does not work that way though in real life. TR only deployed with wheels on the ground
Couple tips incase you feel like playing it again.
-Use combat flaps whenever you go to min wing sweep
-use the tall ACM mode to get some funny 9L shots
and def use thrust when turning on reverse thrust
@@headshothunt3r414 shhh, that’s a trade secret you’re giving away
I really miss the first afghanistan map, that was honestly the closest realistic airfield modeling and destuction the game had. Plus unique airfield spawn points and the fact all the ai was enemies for both teams.
I’ve had some really good games in the tornado, it can certainly handle itself in BVR and up to the merge, but after that you gotta hope your teammates clear your six, which can work and it can be a good team vehicle with the amount of countermeasures it has at that BR
That needs to be a t-shirt 'Outmaneuvered by a f104 with stubbly little t-rex wings" lol!
Wanted to see the tornado for ages, thank you
10:40 when you left Snoopy my heart broke a hundred ways 💔🥲
... some say the perfect wingman doesn't exist but then there was Snoopy
much appreciate the compliment
3:50 *Lol, I love the change of mind.*
Gotta have more faith in the SuperTEMPs for those close range, head-on passes. 2-3km is more than enough for it to yank itself over and land the hit, that is after all why it's punted off the airframe and out of the turbulent air.
Hey phly! Glad to see you back making videos. Can you bring back the combo videos
Could you please try out the new Italian strike jet the AMX? I think it would be a phantastic video
I love this plane, even though I have the premium Phantom I used this to grind the Gripen. I have the most success with 9L's when the enemy is in a turn or stall or I have the opportunity to lead the missile slightly ahead of target. The reverse thrust + airbrakes have saved me more often than not.
keep some fuel for when landing since you can use brakes and reverse thrust at the same time, the defaulty brake key should be on B if i remember correctly
The sound in this game never ceases to blow me away
3:38 i've been playing top tier jets for a while now and had no idea what those bars did.
i guess we learn new things every day
I enjoyed this, thanks for the content man
Good to see you phlying again.
i used the tornado alot , i love it if you know how to use it . I make it turn faster when i have the wings open i go on and off afterburner for some reason it kicks the tail down so it makes it turn faster. I also play it as a decoy , i fly towards a base low to the ground 300 to 500 m off the ground . enemies think iam a bomber but then i take them on in head on with missiles and radar . It just takes time to learn to use it well . Flying low makes it fun .
They will probably introduce the CSP variant as a separate plane when AMRAAMs get added. The CSP was the avionics upgrade to the Tornado that allowed it to fire AMRAAMs, as well as the installation of ASRAAMs in the place of Sidewinders (but it could also carry 9M's if the ASRAAM proves OP)
Pls no CSP, it didn't have mid course guidance for AMRAAM. AOP forwards is what we should aim for.
@@GalaxyGmWT didnt know that, I figure Gaijin will just add the best variant directly instead since the Tornado still overall isnt that competitive
@@GalaxyGmWT AOP updates were still updated CSP airframes, so according to Gaijin's logic, they could give the full AMRAAM capability to both (if they wanted to add the CSP as a premium or event reward for example), or just add one of them and call it a day.
The standard F3 we already have in game should 100% have AIM-9M at this point. It's the only thing that could keep it alive at the current 12.0+ meta. The Phantom FGR.2 with AIM-9L should fill the 11.3 gap perfectly.
I used to be an engineer on Tornado F3’s, about 20 years ago. I’m amazed how accurate this model looks, right down to the soot on the fin. The only inaccuracy is in real life they flew with an external fuel tank under each wing pylon and they’d use thrust reverse on the landing. The Tornado F3 was never a dogfighter but a missile platform designed to intercept high flying Soviet strategic bombers like the TU-95’s and Tu-160
Oh the Tornado F.3 does have fuel tank on each wing, he just doesnt equip it.
Hey Phly, always love your videos, could you try top tier SIM for kicks?
Aye the best present that I could ask for from PhlyDaily is a video on my birthday!
It's that time of the day again. I'm bored and i have nothing to do. An hour of waiting and refreshing later my day gets way better thank you Phly god save your soul dude. The main thanks though goes to you for providing me with days of entertainment when i'm shitting.
After 21 minutes and 39 seconds, you realised how sad your day was again...
@@carsamba0055 precisely
The Panavia Tornado was designed to use terrain following radar to deliver ordinance without being picked up on enemy radar. Low and fast, at night.
Don't throttle down when using the thrust reverser. Gotta throttle up to get the reverse thrust!
Gonna use your code this christmas, thanks for the content PhlyDaily
The panavia tornado is one of my alltime favorite jets.. I saw it all my life in the sky above my home once in a while..I can say that the ground is shaking when this thing passes in a low level flight..it's ability to bring ordinance to the enemy under the radar is amazing. It just got old..and war changed, that's it. I am very unhappy with the situation of any tornado in war thunder right now..... but I love the looks with this 2 powerfull engines and the swept wings.
greetings from germany..
Using the SU-25 as a impromptu decoy for the F-16s missile is the most insane BM thing I've ever seen someone do in air rb, I giggled a little
Love your channel phly
10:14 that turn felt like a movie
Jesus Phly, I love the dogfighting. You are a gifted dogfighter and the air to ground stuff is tedious. Please more air to air stuff man!!
I request a video on the He 100! It's stupidly fast for 1.7, can hold 550+ km/h at deck no problem, excellent climber, only downside is it's engine likes to burn so keep an eye on the temp. Not too OP, and super fun! Bring it to a higher br for a challenge if you want
(day 36)
been there, done that, helm my own in sim battles against an XP-50 and got alive. it's acceleration is crazy, but I wish it had a couple of 20mm instead of those puny 7.92mm...
lol "if I was missile I'd always be able to look at my target" ... imagine a Stevewinder 🤣
Use first stag afterburning, using your mouse wheel gently and you'll get a more fuel efficient afterburner but you'll be slightly slower.
with the tornado, you can supercruise from 4000m back to base, turning 3mins of fuel to 10mins
17:43 Man it got me wondering...... Since you launched at the missile, did the AIM-9L considered the plane that was going left as a ''flare'' coding wise, and stay locked on like a weird loophole for missiles that are easily flared XD
wait I never knew the square radar view had those missile range indicators. where do they explain all the parts of that?
I grinded so long for top italian air and the tornado sucks… at least there’s the harrier now
When using reverse thrusters gotta throttle up so it’ll slow it down @PhlyDaily
Have a great day phly, :)
hahaha loved the edits!!
Yo phly, can you do another hornet mk3 vid? Thx. Keep it up
My uncle flew one in real life during the gulf war, seemed to be decent in reality; jamming radar and harm missile / bombing stuff.
They were incredible irl!! It's so cool that your uncle flew them
"they hate.. They hate the British.." true words i can feel it :'(
when you show the Ja37D in the intro instead of the Tornado F.3.....the perfect way to describe how sad the Tornado F.3 is
I consistently get 2-4 kills each match with these, mostly 8km head on radar shots, it's quite enjoyable
If I recall right the tornados radar is also bugged and doesnt work properly and Gaijin said "yeah its known" and did not do anything about it. Bc why not.
Ok phly don’t diss the tornado like that…it’s honestly quite a capable jet.
I got a very good kdr with it just dont use it like other fighters fly fast always and take any kills you can get from fur balls.
@@NineSeptims yeah true but it’s definitely a very capable aircraft at times, especially in a down tier but it’s also very situational aircraft
Wrong
It was a very good ground attack plane but bit of a turkey as an air superiority fighter. The RAF used them as an interceptor fighter to shoot down bombers.
@@Chips-Dubbo yep but unfortunately there’s nothing for interceptors to intercept
The Tiger II SLA.16 needs a review Phly daddy
i like it, supertemps are 100% kill head on, using F3 to grind grippen. Is basically a mig 23ML but faster.
Faster but infinitely worse at dogfighting
Hi Phyllis love the vids 👍🏻
Crazy how it can still feel heavy at a minute and 30 fuel left, it really needs a buff for anyone who likes it.
Manage to grind the JAS39C easily with this jet. People seem surprised that the radar missile is tracking them
At least you have a CCIP for canon, could be worse, could be a mirage F1
From the Spitfire to that 😅
@PhlyDaily There is a really cool feature which is missing from the beginning of War Thunder! Wing condensation. I please you and everyone to start talking about it so Gaijin introduces it finally after 10 years. It is just for a better visual experience but it would make the game so much more fun!!!
JA-37 is like :"I was inverted."
the tornado gets touched anywhere it goes
Heart dropped when I saw the name of the video, thought it was gonna be a bad Gripen review
there can never be a bad gripen review!!
It wouldnt be the Gripen, the Gripen is currently the best dog-fighter in top tier.
Not sure if that's still the case. F15 got a buff and one out turned me like nothing in a custom earlier. Needs more testing, but it didn't look hopeful
@@MrEsphoenix I have out-turned multiple F-15s
@@BufferThunder so did I before today's patch
As a British main, I gotta say the Tornado F.3 isn’t as bad once you get used to it. Take head-ons and smack someone with the SuperTemp, then try and sneak people with the 9Ls like they’re Magic 2’s. That’s how I’ve had luck
Magic 2’s are way better
man demolished half the lobby, also him, i just had fun bruhh
not sure what you've done with your mic phly but the quality is a lot more crisp
Hey Phyl, what do you think about F-4EJ ADTW?
Love this plane, had more luck with this than the F-16
The Tornado F.3 is really my favourite top tier jet. I got a 4 to 1 kill in it, if you play it right it is super competitive.
Other planes are objectively better
@@King-_Of-_Mars I know, I am just saying I get a 4 to 1 kd in it because I know how to actually use it
17:38 i had that too with aim9ls i accidently locked a teammate and fired but it changed lock and hit the enemy instead you can abuse this sometimes but its pretty hard
2:51 honetly, it's probably going to get them. It did IRL
Can you please cover the T32 non-E1 heavy tank so it can enjoy some positive time in the spotlight?
Man phily have no idea how to use those modern radar system at all
LOVING THE UNLOVED BABY!!!
That was some accidental Ace Combat shiz you pulled off on a lumbering cow plane
Did you notice who he was following? The guy who pulled the invert?
love how phly uses reverse thrust but stays at 0% thrust
Viggen pilot: "because i was inverted...."
lol he didn’t even realize he flew with the guy who does Ace Combat music remixes in the inverted J-37 (Lucas Ricciotti) ….. is he actually buddies with him?
Hey phrog im a really big fan can you try playing the IS-1 please? Thank you❤
afaik the F3 should have Aim-120s when they come, same with Ja37D
Top tier Jets all fly into the fur ball game over in 3 minutes
F15 has the same braking problem. We just have not knoticed cause you never get to land 😂
Bro you are making me laugh every video, keep doing your content, btw i have your decal :)
Meanwhile the F4-C plays on the same BR as jets in this video, while not having any countermeasures, useless AIM-9Es and Sparrows which are impossible to launch due to awful radar. Fun times
this jet is fine, i used it to get the SA gripen
Oooooo! Does it have the JP233?
Not sure if that Viggen at the start “Lucas Ricciotti” is the guy that does all the awesome Ace Combat remixes or just pure coincidence they have the same name
No it is. We’ve been talking to him all morning. He didn’t even realize he was playing with him!!
@@archange8030 Sweeeeet
Welcome back Phly
Day: 199
Back to business:
My Request:
Btw i saw you have the M48 Suuuuuuuuuuper but you never even made one vid about it so why don't you do
M48 Super aka Go-Kart Patton (at least in arcade PvE🙃) And because you want to play a combination take the IL-28 out with its FAB 3000 for some multikills
-no Phly Decal
-no Tigor
Why no decal or tigor?
This comment was so hard to read lol
@superliogaming I try to find Tigor and Phly stickers in every video Phly uploads and watches.
It's like a challenge that I want to do until he fulfills my request...😄
@@superliogaming sorry that my comments are pretty hard to read, English isn't my first language...😐
@@herrfingerknacks4970 There’s a thing called “Google translate”