'Your Patient is a Child Molester' | Chicago Med
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- When Dr. Choi asks for the help of Nurse Hank with his patient, the latter freaks out and runs out. Ethan tries to find out what's wrong until another nurse tells him that his patient is a child molester.
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Season 04, Episode 13, Ghost In The Attic
Dr. Halstead withholds some important information from Dr. Manning and she begins to question his suspect behavior. Dr. Choi comes to some difficult conclusions involving April over a patient's care. An incident in the OR involving Dr. Bekker at the hands of Dr. Rhodes may have serious implications.
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Dr Choi is 100% in the right here. He gave the patient adequate care, tried to understand why the nurses were upset, showed empathy to Hank, and tried to find if his colleague did something reprehensible so he could help her not lose her job, all the while never understating what the patient did. Class act
As medical professionals - we take an oath to treat anyone no matter what kind of human they are: bad, good, or evil. It can be hard sometimes, but that is what makes medicine so beautiful - we don't care who you are, one must not be afraid of their doctor
Would you still be so sure of yourself it if it was someone who raped you? Or someone you loved?
@@AxelXGabriel They probably wouldnt be allowed to treat the patient
@@AxelXGabriel
They can opt out from taking care of the patient since its a valid reason.
What if you save someone and he hurts or kills others? Beautiful irony?
@@fengzhao9111 it is your duty to save them either way
What honestly stood out to me was Hank, when children are assaulted like that, they grow up to become adults, but the trauma is still there a lot of times...You never know who could be suffering inside or have trauma
And the man who did it doesn't even think about them when they grow up and how it could possibly affect them
Given his accent he probably enjoyed it.
@@sofia-jf8xm The tree remembers but the axe forgets.
Getting upset at the patient is understandable. Giving your nursing duties poorly is, while unprofessional and unethical, is understandable, What I don’t understand is why they wouldn’t tell Dr Choi about it?
Confidentiality. Hank told the other nurses about what had been done to him and they couldn't tell anyone else because he confided in them.
@@snakebitepellehue Highly likely this doesn't apply when nurses do not do their work and don't tell the treating doctor why.
@@km-kl3lg Legally, you're right. Morally? It's not their story to tell, and they're not breaking any laws by not telling him.
@@km-kl3lg Maybe, I'm not sure. That would be a pretty big dilemma.
@@snakebitepellehue I believe that's private, sure, and if it doesn't change anything, sure they can stay quiet and keep the confidentiality. but it dramatically changes the nurse's treatment (or lack thereof) to him, they should tell their supervisor and maybe ask to transfer the patient?
It's so freaking aggravating and irritating when people do not tell you anything when something wrong is going on and try to dismiss your questions. I was feeling stress and annoyance watching this even though I already knew what the issue was.
People don't owe you personal matters that were told in private. Maybe that guy didn't want this asian dude to know. Maybe he doesn't want the whole hospital to know he was molested as a child...
@@anaalina5964 Then the nurses should have acted professionally...
They owe that dude the confidentiality they most likely promised him or was assumed when they talked privately.
But by not doing their job, and keeping information that was hindering them from doing that job and being professionals... then confidentiality should be compromised so that they can deal with the issue at hand.
Of course, that dude, the victim doesn't deserve that. But the nurses should have thought about that before they let their personal feelings stop them from treating a patient. No matter how vile he is...
ummm shut up
It’s not their place to say “That patient molested this nurse.”
An applause to the actors for evoking those emotions on us
The fact that that monster didn't even remember him. It's disgusting to know that situations like this actually exist.
No regret at all!
The victim remembers the villian but the villian does not how evil 😡
He's been teaching piano to children for other 30 years, Can you imagine how many faces he has seen
It wasn’t even him, it was his twin
As a student nurse, I totally appreciate how hard the situation is. It would 100% be a struggle to care for a patient who’s done horrible things. However, it’s our duty to maintain quality of care to all patients, no matter our personal feelings.
(Edit: omg I’ve caused some debates 😅)
I think every nurse and doctor should have the legal rights to refuse to treat someone like that
Obviously if they are unconvinced that unfortunately wouldn't be good enough however
Yup an ethical dilemma.Your morals compete against your Duty
@@TJSPARKLE it really depends on the situation. Like for example, if I was nursing someone who has sexual assault charges against them, and then proceeded to say stuff towards me that made me feel uncomfortable then I would have the right to refuse to treat them and someone else can. However, I can’t really just flat out refuse to treat someone due to their past actions because we’re there to nurse, not judge. Despite our personal feelings. We don’t have to be their friend, or even interact with them outside of medical necessity. That being said, I work in mental health so it might be different for general nurses. I also work in the UK.
@@TJSPARKLE no, it's their job to treat the patient, and report any crime to the police.
Criminal, judge, etc will do their job afterwards.
They can hate or judge anyone, well it's humane, but still they have to do their job.
If healthcare worker is allowed to refused to treat their patient based on their belief or feeling, then it would be a mess.
My heart goes out to that nurse it must be horrible. While I understand the feelings of the nurses to not wanting to be in his presence and giving him the minimum, when the nurse stabbed him a few times before she drew the blood, that was over the edge. Still why did they not tell Dr. Choi? Also it´s awful they never got a conviction or even statement out of him. His victims will never get true justice
I was a victim of horrfic child sexual , abuse by my own parents ,but believe me I would take them out if I had the chance
@@rosemarymcgrory5678 bless, I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Hope you’re doing okay 🙂
Medical ethics state that one should never treat someone they know (that situation is included, obviously) but it also states you shall never do harm. It is our first principle and we take an oath to treat anybody, no matter what they (could have) done. Surely, no one should go through something so horrifying and in normal life I would just spit in this monster face, but when you put on your coat - please forget all your feelings
He was already put on court and got out free so they cant
@@rosemarymcgrory5678 ur own parents my ones would force feed me medication and abuse me
Obviously the guy is a monster, but extremely unprofessional from all the nurses here, especially April and Doris. Then not filling Doctor Choi in on anything, extremely poor.
I think it's more of a privacy thing. It's not their call to tell him.
@@davab. It might not be their call to tell him the specifics or of their friend's personal details, but this was affecting their work and duty of care. It was also affecting the guy's ability to do his job, making him look insubordinate and bad at his job. what if he got fired/ reprimanded because he couldn't do a simple job and his superior didn't know why?
Then for none of the other nurses to treat him, and not let Choi know- what they did was highly unprofessional and could have resulted in any of them facing a malpractice suit and possible prison time for wrongful death.
their unprofessional behaviour is why Choi was so suspicious of them and the adrenaline
It's understandable since Ethan wanted to "treat him as any other patient" when no half-sane person would want to treat and put a chomo back on the street (let alone be in the same room as one). Whether or not he's a former offender is irrelevant.. If he offended once, that's all that matters. Deny him any right like he denied innocence from the children he's hurt.
@@EPrimeify They don't get to pick and chose who to treat. it isn't their call. this time they don't treat a guy, but what happens if next time they chose not to treat someone that person turned out to be innocent and these people let them die? you start setting precedents like that and it escalates. then no one would get treated because well hey your doctor might suspect you of a crime and decide you're not worth treating
@@BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays innocent? The male nurse was the witness account. He’s not innocent.
The only thing I could think of when watching this was Dr Halstead saying to April in a previous episode "It is our job to save, not judge."
"do not let your personal feelings get involved" they also say that too i cant believe the nurses chose to protect the child molestor
I could not be a nurse cuz u best believe I’d do something shady on the patient 🙆🏾♀️💀
If it was his sister he wouldn't say that
My aunt works in the medical field, she had a patient who was a child molester. She said everytime she went to look after him, she wanted to throw up. She couldn’t stand working with him. But she also said that she couldn’t not work with him. It doesn’t matter what your opinions are when you’re in the medical profession, specially about individuals backgrounds or themselves, you cannot deny someone health care as you’ve taken the oath to provide health care to all.
How did she know? I'm not doubting your story, I'm just curious about how she found this out.
Knowing me I'd constantly throw in slick comments to make him know I know what a disgusting molester he is
@@tandzilebhembe1255 ig you could do that, but Ig i could also presume you’d lose your job. But fr I would do the same.
I'm so sorry for her . I truly am. 💔
I feel this. I work security, but having a guy on the grund underneath you after you caught him smacking his girl around in public, the level of self-control needed to not pummel his face into a mush is almost godly. And the excuses, gods, the excuses. "It was her own fault!" "She started it!" "Please don't do this bro, you know how it is!"
NO, I dont, you degenerate fock. Any grown man that choses violence as any other option than the last does not deserve the title of man!
This is the reason for which doctors and nurses should NEVER harrass patients, whoever they are. Because if a nurse or doctor expresses contempt toward a patient who then dies, it will rise suspicion. I'm not saying that the world is not a better place without a patient like this, but it would also be a worse place if the doctor or nurse went to jail for homicide or, at the very least, lost their medical license.
Worse if the allegation is fraudulent
@intriguing Woman Losing a competent medical physician due to vengeance will kill plenty of people by lack of medical care
@@KristiContemplates Not tryna be a smartass, but there is never a shortage of doctors and nurses. Plenty people who graduated can't find jobs cause hospitals are full of employees.
@@anaalina5964 There's ALWAYS shortage of medical personnel. Hospitals don't have places because they don't have enough money to employee them.
@@anaalina5964 There is a gigantic shortage of doctors and nurses around the world. There are countries which sadly do not have many medical personnel.
Everyone saying "as a med/nurse student ... " I get you all, but as an abused child i can tell you I wished his death more times than i can count and if he was dying before me i don't think I would be able to help.
Then in this situation you get transferred of the case, not your call to make if they get help or not. Although I do feel for you and your situation
@@magicmonkey1662 precisely
As a med student and a molested teenager, I would medically treat him like any other person, I just wouldn't want to look at him or talk.
Sending you the biggest hug. I understand.
This reminds me of a patient we had while i was an intern. The guy had raped at least two women and killed one, I think, I don't remember exactly but it was horrifying to think about. I didn't know it at the time. I would go in, smile, talk to him like any other patient, ask him if he's alright, draw blood etc. But the attendings found out and through them we found out he had a horrible past but they wouldn't tell us and instructed us not to google his name to find out while he was in our care, but just to be careful around him, and they said he was in jail for over 30 years, so that obviously gave us an idea of how bad the charges were. When he was discharged, of course we read the articles and honestly, I was happy I didn't find out earlier.
Can you give a link to the article or the name lol?
whats the name of the article?
Okay. Show us the article, the name and proof. We wanna know if this is real or not.
in case it doesn't work the article is called "Keine Wiederholungsgefahr", dated August 10th 1997 on the German news website Der Spiegel
@@lukhw1n657 pfft- no one owes you to prove a story to you unless you're giving them something like money against it, the hell is wrong with you?
I love the way the nurses follow him and comforting him it's nice to see people are human
Given his accent he probably enjoyed it.
@@Harry-bn5mp spam
She had absolutely no right to tell him that. And the nurses had no right to compromise his care, however vile he is.
The World is a better place without child molesters
@@GameOn71213 Yes, but that does not mean the nurses did the right thing. I have kept the person who raped me alive because i have a duty of care and it is my job to care for EVERYONE equally. They should never have stooped down to that level. They could have easily cold shouldered him without compromising themselves
@@polnochkoshmary Maybe they shouldn't have legally, but morally they should have each gotten a bat and killed him on the bed he lay
@@GameOn71213 the problem is when you take an oath to be a nurse or a doctor or any profession that correlates to health care you are taking an oath that no matter what they did or who you will provide the best medical care for them that is their job and no matter how difficult it is it’s what you signed up for I know it’s what I’m signing up for when I am a fully qualified physio and if you can’t uphold that oath then you have no business being in the health care industry healthcare is a basic human right no matter who you are
@@GameOn71213 It's also a better place with competent doctors. It's not up to them to make the call. You can't make a chef put out a fire and the fire brigade to cook your dinner.
In real life scenario, those people would be sued along with the hospital lol
Yeah but he died so he can't sue them. And these colleagues seems to be friends with each other they wouldn't rat them out like tht.
@@cristaljustice4534 the thing is thar patients family can
he can't sue them, he's dead lmfao
@@Jiji_here_431 its unlikely he had any
@@dropletq3477 when my brother was accused of sexually assaulting a little girl we all cut ties with him. im pretty sure hes in jail now
as much as a monster as that guy is/was... sadly.. ethan is right, it is an ETHICAL OBLIGATION to save as many lives as they can...
A person who rapes a child is no human even animals behave better, and at his age he probably had his fair share of kids so it was time to die
@@GameOn71213 that doesn't mean to kill a person IN A GODDAMN hospital while working there....
@@sureindubitably3771
Right! And to add on, in an event he did die in the hospital, it is likely that the police and the mortician can find out he died relating to malicious intent from the staff. It can cause the hospital to be sued, shut down and people are gonna lose their jobs, because some healthcare staff can't put aside their personal feelings to a patient.
Why I chose to be vet instead of on who takes cares of people
also arent the nurses putting the other co-workers at risk?
"You have a lot of students?"
"Enough to keep me occupied".
Oh. My. God. Freaking hell. Yuck.
I know...
He’s been doing it for years too. It’s disturbing to know that people can get away with bringing harm to so many for so long.
There is an ethical obligation for those giving care to others. No matter your personal feelings. If you cannot give proper care, you should not be in a position where you are obligated to do so. Whilst a story, there's no justification for these nurses' behaviour. They are not "judge, jury & executioner".
True but also consider, dr Choi specifically asked the nurses that obviously had a problem, Doris to draw blood, and he pressured Monique to get the information he wanted, not saying it’s not messes up, but it’s not just them in the wrong I think
@@bitchinstitchinandbore4203 Actually it is just them in the wrong. What was he supposed to do? Get a whole new shift of nurses in to replace them all because they refused to care for the man? He pressured monique to try and understand what was going on but still he should have written them up for their behaviour. Especially Doris who was hurting him on purpose
I would say it's a bit different..when the monster in front of you , exploits and harms ..and even kills a CHILD .. fictional story or not ..there's no way in hell I would show a MONSTER who looks at a child like a sexual object FFS
@@rosemarymcgrory5678 So what would you do? Murder him? Get to his level of disgusting behaviour? And then the next person should let you die because you let him die (and became a monster because of that who has a life on their conscience) and the cycle would continue forever? Nurses do have the obligation to care for others, even the worst monsters. It's the job of law enforcement to find ways of giving them punishments (although as shown in this episode, that unforunately isn't always working).
I would tell him: 'Look, we all know who you are and what you did and are doing. Don't expect me to be nice or to look at you like a human being but I will do my job, which is more than some of my colleagues would do, so consider yourself lucky. I am giving you more empathy than you gave your victims'. And would try to ensure there is some investigation going and all possible avenues of getting the justice. But don't self-vigilante: sometimes what people say might not be true and you might end up taking an innocent life...and if you are a religious person, you know you would be burning forever for doing that.
@@staszewaM I would suggest you don't say that. That implies that your "other colleagues" could be dangerous and could land you or them in serious trouble if people overhear. You either continue to do your job and pretend you didn't know and show good bedside manners. Or you tell your head doc and ask him to transfer him to a different unit so you're no longer obligated to care for him.
Dr choi is right. They do have to treat him like they would any other patient. And theyre only treating him this way because they knownwhat he did. Other patients could have come in having done the exact same thing and not known. Theyve treated killers and not had this big of an issue.
April really pisses me off when people simply ask her stuff. It looked incredibly sus that she was im the room before he coded and she was acting very strange. Dr choi had a right to ask her.
the other nurse looked sus she intentionally stabbed the patient 3 or 4 times
i get the guy is a molestor but act professional they say it all the time dont let your personal feelings get in the way
killer are different from child predators or rapists. There are many reasons that people kill, but child molesting is never justified.
@@simpforkeqing3997 are you really trying to justify murder rn?
@@lol-jy2yq there are some valid reasons to murder. There are no valid reasons to molest. I have some pity for people that were molested/told to do strange things at a young age themselves who went on to be molesters, and I don't count them with people that weren't in those situations, but there's never a right reason to molest.
@@foodisgoodthatsthetruth3231 so what it anyone's job to kill that man no! there were meant to do the opposite
when you become a doctor or a nurse you swear a oath to care for your patient no mater who they are or what they have done
@@galaxytabs7490 It's definitely not. The day you do something like this and word gets out, you'll have to say goodbye to your career. Would you be proud that you got rid of a monster from this planet? Probably. Would it cost you your career? Most probably.
@@galaxytabs7490 if you can’t uphold that oath then you have no business being in the health care industry. I'm not agreeing with who he is as a person and I also think his head should be bashed in, but as a nurse you have an obligation to treat every patient equally.
@@galaxytabs7490 Your job as a medical care professional is to take care of any patient no matter what they’ve done, this is the career and path you chose. It is the duty of the community to bash the guys skull in so you can treat him, so we can obliterate his knees and send him back to you.
@@galaxytabs7490 well that means you’re a trashy doctor, just the same as the Polish / french and German doctors who sometimes didn’t want to treat some Jews right before the final solution was voted just cause they were « stinky and vile »
The oath is bs. It's just ceremonial stuff.
This is the reason I could never be a medical professional, the moment I had to deal with someone like this I would walk out without helping them
That's why is a show,you can act unprofessionally not matter what but in real life that CAN'T happen even if that person deserves it
Why not?
@@evermoredany because they took an oath to treat their patient without any bias and harm, regardless whether their patients are criminals or not. If something happened to their patients, it'll be reviewed and reported to the higher ups, and they'll either get suspended or get their license revoked.
Im not a doctor but seriously had April just explained what happened I would have at least said ok tell the nurses to stay out of this and I will take care of everything myself.
Ikr April shoulda just said something
They gave soo Ethan so much to deal with on his own while making him look like the bad guy when all he was doing was his job..... Those where the moments where April was really getting on my nerves
what pisses me off is the nurses chose to protect the child molestors secret ethan literally had to ask every nurse until one told him what happened
@@AlexisStreams i swear
@@chajong00 if it was me i'd tell my co-workers to protect tmy co-workers but i'd put my job first like they always say they are not there to judge they are there to help people that's why they became a doctor/nurse let the police handle them afterwards
@KSa-onoy well said you have every right to be frustrated Ethan genuinely wanted to know what was wrong because he was worried for his colleague but the girls were like nah we keeping this a secret FROM THEIR CO WORKERS, It annoys me
@KSa-onoy definitely
Although I'm not a nurse I'm a Health Care Aide (also known as a personal care worker depending where you're from) I've had a similar experience. I worked on a locked dementia unit and we had a full blown sexual predator as a patient. He was a disgusting man. He would constantly reach out to grab you as you walked by, he would comment on your body "you've got a nice pair on you" and if you told him to stop he would tell you that "you liked that". He had spent alot of time in jail for molesting and I truly hope he rots in hell.
Whenever I watch Chicago med I just can't wait till I become a surgeon in the future
Same lol
Also work with dr Steven strange and dr Choi.
I have one year till I become a surgeon 👩⚕️ im so excited 😆
@@HuntressX_artemis what kind of surgeon?
@@HuntressX_artemis congrats
As a health professional this clip actually angered me because it's not up to us who we treat. Even if it's the H guy with the mustache, you have to treat them no matter how monstrous that person is. Not only does it violate our professional code, it breaks the principle of due process. And not filling in the resident doctor on the information? that's just crossing the line.
That’s the point of the episode.
Personally, I was more angered at the pedophile 🤷♀️
They didn't fill in the resident doctor in the information because a colleague told them in confidence that he'd been r@ped. The doctor doesn't need to know that information. I agree that they should have treated the patient professionally, regardless of who he is, but I don't agree that they needed to share something so incredibly personal. Or is it a hospital policy that everybody needs to know everyone else's business? If someone contracts an STD from a one night stand for example, do they need to inform the doctor in charge? Or if they fail their driving test? Or if their cousin got a divorce? None of those things should be affecting how they treat their patients, and none of them need to be told to colleagues if they don't want.
Lmao, I think most would agree that Hitler is beneath medical care. Monsters don't get human treatment, don't care what the rules are sometimes the greater good out ways some dictators bullshit health.
@@jp9707 I can agree with the not sharing of an info that extremely personal. But if that information is causing the nurses to commit medical malpractice and do something that can potentially kill a patient which breaks the medical oath, I'd say that is an info that the resident doctor NEEDS to know.
It's not the point of the video but the first nurse, the one who faced his abuser must be really hurt, after all those years seeing him again, like nothing I glad they let him go home and not treat him again.
And the fact Ethan though April killed someone is impossible to have a good relationship after that.
Yes, but it's not entirely Ethan's fault. Considering April's hostility and refusal of treatment towards the patient and the additional amps in the trash can. It was a possibility.
Considering how they treated their patient - I would suspect even my own child. If you are doctor or nurse - you all take an oath
@@Bergen98 Agreed, but I do understand where April is coming from. I understand, I don't fully agree, but I do understand.
Well her refusal to treat a patient could very well be the death of a patient so not that far off
@@uughhgh7866 Which is why I don't agree with her actions. I can understand why she did it, but it is definitely out of line and she should probably be reassigned to another patient since her interests are conflicting with her ability to take care of the patient.
"Do you know what that guy did to Hank?"
"Actually you and everyone else haven't been telling me anything."
I love how all the nurses went straight after him to see what's happening.
This was unprofessional from the nurses, you can’t deny a patient the help that they need to get better just because of an incident that happened a long time ago, Dr Choi was the only one who treated that man like a patient and even tried to save his life
Yes...what ever is the matter ..it can be resolved later and not in the emergency room . You can not deny treatment to a patient
No regular care or empathy from Chomos. They should've denied him care and called the cops on him.
@@EPrimeify but this is not how it works ...even if they call the cops...they would have , have to treat him ...under the legal orders
@@anushka6258 Under my moral laws; chomos don’t deserve it.
@@EPrimeify I understand . And surely he didn't deserve to live ..but we are just human beings .. we can not decide that
When he said "enough to keep me occupied' who else felt physically sick?
They do realise that each and every one of them can be hit with malpractice especially the nurse that kept jabbing his arm purposely to cause harm/pain to him along with the nurse and doctor who just stood there and let him die.
I mean, I'm with him here. You can't be openly hostile to a patient (no matter how much he deserves it) who then dies suspiciously and be offended that he's trying to cover all his (and their) bases
Very difficult situation. Dr Choi is right - they have to treat him like any other patient but it must be the worst situation to be in as a medical professional. There would have to be a full review if that patient then died in the care of medical professionals who had expressed concern over working on his case. It wouldn’t be kept ‘off the books’ like this. This is honestly nerve-wracking to watch.
getting shades of “it’s our job to save people, not judge”
I see nothing wrong with this. I was raped at 8 years old, I can tell you that it was so incredibly painful, I was left with bruises along my thighs, hips, vulva, my cervix was hit multiple times, I was bleeding and crying, I could barely crawl, let alone walk and stand. He should be happy all that happened to him was being poked with a needle
As a victim you can think whatever you want, but when you are medical staff like me, you take an oath and you will treat everybody equally.
I was victim of child abuse, i will still treat one to the best of my ability. I would treat a man or woman who abused my own children if necessary or i would ask this patient to be under another doctor's care or moved to another facility. But i would NEVER hurt that person or use my position to make him suffer in any way.
I don't know how old you are and when this happened to you, but you need to see a professional and start dealing with it. People like you, regardless how how traumatic the situations they went through, if untreated psychologically, represent a danger to society and to themselves.
Seek help. For your own sake.
U alright?
@@kachi2782 I represent a danger to society? Excuse me? What's so dangerous about me?
@@kachi2782 Don't come acting like they are when it happens to your child. Yk the world is round and things always ckme back at us. Make a note of your medical degree then.
@@apoorwadahal1482 Try actual english and not cryptic english.
When what happens to my child and what would be my reaction if it happened to my child, and what does my medical degree have to do with it ?
The 1st 3 minutes look like a huge "what the heck is going on? Has everybody become an intern today?"
But then after like the 3:30 mark it's all "ah nevermind, carry on please, where do you store the cyanide in this hospital?"
The patient is disgusting. However, it's not the nurses place to refuse medical care. What they did was incredibly unprofessional and opened up the hospital and themselves to lawsuits. You keep your personal prejudices at the door, it's one of the few benchmarks of being professional healthcare providers.
I am pretty sure you can refuse for personal reasons in the us
If that's "personal prejudices" to you, you have problems.
@@anaalina5964 🙄
You were right until you said it was a 'personal prejudice'. People like that are monsters not human being. They have the right to health care but that doesn't change my views on him.
@@Niggaman51Well..hating on outright kid r*** is a universal response. However, there are exceptions to that.. and they are medical professionals. You think psychiatrists and researchers would be able to do their jobs driven by hate? There's a certain level of decorum to maintain objectivity. It's what the law, ideally tries to promote. You can hate people like this fine, but as a medical professional you're personal attitude is secondary to his well being. Unless, he has personally affected you and your ability to do your job.
People forget that the nurses and doctors are people too. Sometimes it's hard to hide the feelings . And what you think it's not going to change this fact
hank getting upset is 100% normal, the nurses not even telling dr choi but also not treating him? girls you could get fired for this
They didn't tell Choi because it's not their right. The victims story belongs to the victim, and you NEVER have the right to tell someone else.
@@nikgillis well you should if it affects everyones job and if you you're purposely mistreating the patient so the doctor can take these people out of the case
It must be difficult for the nurses...this is a dilemma.
Same as police shouldn't be there to be vigilante-style executioners murdering criminals (George Floyd had a criminal past, but got murdered while he was simply going about his day; additionally he seemed to be living a 'regular' life and integrating into society, but that's besides the point- even if he was still a criminal he should have been caught and brought to justice not killed), they are just supposed to catch them (in most cases definitely possible without using force and/or bullets) and protect public and 'serve law and order', same the nurses and medical staff should be saving lives and doing their job even while dealing with pedos, rapists, murderers and Adolf H reincarnations. In some of those situations saving the lives that will be put away in jail etc, but still- if someone has murderous aspirations, they shouldn't go to hospitals and police force.
It's not a dilemma at all, lmfao!
there is no dilemma its their job to treat patients no matter what they've done what makes me sick is they chose to protect what the child molestor had done
@@AlexisStreams I know what he/she is saying. It would be tempting. I know it would be for me if I was in that profession and I had to treat someone like that. Especially if it were the people who assaulted me when I was a child.
@@saynotohookupsthat's understandable if you can't treat that patient then ask if someone else can and then talk to that person in private and ask why you couldn't treat the patient i'm sure they understand
I understand perfectly ETHICAL obligation, and you should not mix your personal feelings. BUT humans arent robots. SOme can empathize more, some wouldn't be able to follow the rules like a robot if they survived what this man does.
I agree with you. But if you cant do your job, then you need to tell someone so that someone else can do it for you/help you.
Because people aren't robots, it's okay to get help if you find yourself unable/unwilling to do certain things. But if you fail at asking for help when you can't do something, then you probably aren't fit for the job and need to reevaluate how you go about it. This is very prevalent when that job has anything to do with helping/tacking care/affects other people.
Those nurses were deliberately hurting and neglecting that man. No matter how awful he is, they have taken an oath to help and save as many as they can, no matter who they are. It's their job. And if aiding is to request someone else to do it because you cant, than that is just as important. And the nurses failed at that as well...
This whole comment section is an interesting read. I haven't watched the full episode of this but it's a good topic to show and have the watchers discuss.
A lot of people in the comments saying that the way the nurses acted was unprofessional and unethical. While that is true, he had it coming. The way way the patient acted while children were in HIS CARE AND SUPERVISION was unethical and unprofessional and border line criminal. Child molesters deserve no sympathy and/or care. Neither of their victims did.
While personally I would agree, medical staff cannot bring their own opinions into someone’s care. Dr Choi was right when he said that he had to be treated like any other patient if for no other reason than he could sue for malpractice.
Under hippocratic oath, regardless if the person is a criminal or not, they need to treat the patient fairly
They are not the Judge, Jury or executioner they are there to do a job NO matter your own feeling's.
@@IIIErebusIII Well if judges did their goddamn jobs, they all would be locked up. But because a lot of judges are rockspiders themselves, they barely get any jail time. No rockspider should get medical care, period.
@@chinghamburger2200 I'm pretty sure that even if Hitler was alive and something happened to him, he would still get medical care. Doctors are supposed to take an oath and refusing to give care means that your career could be gone before you know it.
The “enough to keep me occupied” part was just-
DISGUSTING
Right? I wanted to throw up
Given his accent he probably enjoyed it.
And the world is better off without him. :D
No. Not in the hospital. All this information is taken by one nurse, which the information spread to others. There could be an event where this nurse could have mistaken him for someone else. The man could have been innocent!
@@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735 Same name and his occupation is a piano teacher. I think it’s the right guy.
yeah ^_^
I'm glad to see responsible responses here, emotions should never come to work.
I’m not sure why April was getting mad at the end when Dr. Choi was just asking a simple question
Well it's actually a very fascinating thing. He says they should use the ethical code, help everyone. You can't judge whether someone is good or bad, regarding the treatment. Choi was angry they were experiencing a dilemma, or even refusing. Then in the end, he wasn't simply asking a question. He experienced the ethical code of "innocent until proven guilty". So both dilemma's. They both ended up doing the right thing, but with a lot of contemplation.
i've never been more thrilled about someone's death
Same here.
literally
So, we are suposed to feel sorry for a child molester ? This was justice, even if it wasn't legal. Those nurses were heroes.
exactly because it’s not just revenge, it’s also saving the other children from going through it
Those nurses are not heroes. They are just unprofessional. Its their duty to treat him no matter their personal feelings. If you can't do that than dont be a health giver.
@@fordaru4180 Paedoes are not humans. They don’t deserve human right.
@@LucielStarz123 it dosent matter your job is too attend to patients
@@Daviyah_yisrael lmao. Pedos are not human, them nurses are for human patients, not animals.
"I should write you all up for what you did" then do it, it's your job to report it.
Sorry April but you don’t get to choose patients
Thats what always been april's problem. There was an episode when april questioned a doctor on why he is helping a dying pedophile although that pedophile didnt molest anyone and didnt give in to his urges.
I would have written up April. It’s so unprofessional of her and especially that she didn’t even want to answer dr. Choi. I think she is forgetting her place as well that he is the doctor and she is the nurse
I would treat him with absolute contempt as a CM survivor and make his stay at the hospital painful and intolerable.
This is why I don't work in the medical field, don't worry, I know.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Stay strong ♥️
Sorry you were violated. How vile.
I love that, despite being a series focused on drama rather than medical procedures, they did the resuscitation protocol well, for the most part. They didn't defibrillate the asystole, they started compressions immediately and applied 1 mg of epinephrine after the second defibrillation. It's understandable that sometimes there is not a good quality of compressions in the scene and that they don't show the complete protocol because it is a TV serie, but I really liked how they approached that situation.
I know bioethics would say otherwise, but, as a human being, I would absolutely not treat that patient. I can be a bad nurse, but i wont be a bad human. And being a good human being is what i priortise the most.
Child molesters shouldn’t get medical help. I said what I said
Unfortunately in the real world you can’t choose patients hun
@@Singlemofo4737 legally? Sure. In « the real world » it’s another story, hun.
@@emilyharvey6076 Um yes legally, in the real world. You got that all wrong hun. Laws are in the real world.
It’s the law. Hospitals are legally obligated to give medical help to anyone who needs it no matter what they do. After the patient is cured, then they can them to law enforcement and they deal with it
Imagine tho what you , could do to them if you had them ..in your hospital sorry but he would not get alive , if that was me ..child.sexual abuse is Horrific..
The nurses should really face some consequences for their inexcusable unprofessional behavior
Yes instead of the person who used children for his own sick pleasure.
Yeah they shouldve just killed m there
@@EPrimeify but they are doctors and nurses, their jobs are to treat patients no matter who the patients are
@@NurCak no they shouldn't. Yes it is evil what his character did but these are doctors and nurses whose job it is to treat patients
@@philipmarlowe4682 In reality that patient would have been transferred immediately. Conflict of interest is a huge ethical issue.
Some people don't deserve care
Dr. Choi is right in this situation tbh, and even in the end he had every right to be suspicious
I'm a paramedic and once was called to a car accident. A guy had hit a tree. Fire brigade, emergency doctor, ambulance and helicopter dispatched and got him out and to a hospital. An hour later we all learned that he had been on the run after having driven into a crowd of three people just half an hour previous to our call (his ex wife, child and a neighbor), injuring all of them. It was speculated, whether hitting the tree was a suicide attempt. We all had a moment of reflection upon learning that. Ultimately, I'm glad that I usually don't know, what the people I help have done up to that point. I'm also glad that I don't have to treat them for weeks or months, just until they get into the hospital. I'm lucky to be able to help everyone without having to reflect on whether or not they deserve it.
As a doctor or nurse you have a duty of care to any patient. That being said, you'd have to be made of stone not to understand April's and the other nurses' reaction and conduct towards this awful man. Its so beautiful how the minute they see Hank in distress, they rally around him.
Yeah but you dont take justice into your hands thats not your job if you wanted that type of job go to court
The hospital isnt a place where people are served justice its a place to heal
Why would you want him to die right there and then?? He needs to live to face justice and suffer the consequences of his awful crimes
(I'm a nurse) everyone is pointing out how the nurses have been unprofessional but nobody is pointing out how unprofessional it was that even when given the explanation the doctor still wanted (and forced) an autopsy and even kept it hidden from everyone. Going behind your equipe's back and risking their jobs just because you don't believe them is extremely unprofessional. Everyone was unprofessional in this clip. Even the interning doctor, those chest compressions were useless.
I'm definitely not a doctor or a nurse, but I heard that proper chest compressions could crack ribs. So maybe that's why they held back on doing them properly?
@@jp9707 they could but medical professionals are always taught that cracked ribs >>>> death
If you do chest compressions but they aren't strong enough you may fail cpr and also you could crack the ribs anyways so..
Exactly for some reason it’s always the nurses fault
It was rubbish cause it was a show... and not real life
@@TheAndreacardamone That's the point, though. He's an actor, not a dying man. There's no good reason to risk cracking his ribs. Also, the nurse can't very well get angry with him for suspecting her after the way they behaved. If he'd had a condition that was time sensitive, their neglect could very well have killed him. A man like that might not deserve to live and certainly deserves to be punished, but nurses, doctors, police officers--they aren't judges and shouldn't be. You can't blame him for being suspicious.
You will see a lot of bad people in the hospital and if you can’t deal with it you shouldn’t be in healthcare. You will see murderers, nazis, molesters, and more. It’s your job to help people. If u give doctors the power to deny patients it opens the door for all kinds of things. Like not helping the obese or smokers because of their health choices. Or refusing a diabetic insulin because they consumed sugar.
@@chl6519 it's the oath they swore it's not the law.
Or to take it further, it opens the door to denying a patient due to their ethnicity or skin color, or thier religious beliefs, or their sexuality. All patients are to be treated equally, despite what horrible things they may have done.
@@alecrosewell6959 Which is enforced by what?
@@Fight4MyCountry enforced by you will not practise medicine if you break it you will have no licence/ be struck off
@@SnowxXxAngel this already happens
That was so unprofessional. He's a horrible person but that doesn't give you the right to treat him horribly in a hospital. Sure you don't have to be nice and smile but going out of your way to hurt him isn't mature at all
Nothing like another ‘dose’ of Chicago Med :D
Everyone in the comments are such job worths, why the hell should society look out for people who add nothing to society but pain and suffering
Soooo you're fine with doctors and nurses being judge jury and executioner? What if you're gay and your doctor is homophobic and allows you to die because of your sexuality... You're fine with it? Wheres the line?
Because it's not the nurse's or doctor's job to decide who deserves to be saved or not. They shall treat everyone fairly. Don't need to treat him with a smile, but neglecting or hurting a patient should not be an option.
Of course, I'm not complaining that the child molester died. But a doctor cant just decides to not save someone, same with nurses. If it gets too personal, or you are simply unable, then you should ask for someone else to take over that patient. Not get mad at the doctor or higher-ups when they ask you to do the job you are not doing.
Dr Choi : You have a lot of students ?
Patient : Enough to keep me occupied!
🤮🤮🤮🤮
This episode was great but these comments are pissing me off🙄 the people in these comments are ridiculous.
Then why are you reading the comments
Never though I would see the day so many people defend a CM 💀
It’s not defending its calling out the unprofessionalism the nurses were showing, regardless of your personal feelings you have a duty and you took an oath to do no harm and this kind of behavior could lead them to their licenses being taken away.
It’s a terrible situation to be in but ain’t nobody winning either way. Be terrible to your patient and then if the higher ups find out, you loose your job and get sued.
To add on to the above reply, this is a *suspected* CM. I cannot deny that the student nurse was indeed raped, but it is possible that this patient may be a lookalike, also known as innocent.
literally no one is defending him tf
people are not defending child molestors............if you become a doctor or a nurse you take a oath to treat all and every patient no matter what they've done killers rapists child molestors...........also they say it all the time DO NOT let your personal feelings get involved the nurses chose not to tell ethan thus protecting the child molestor think about that the fucking nurses chose not to tell their co workers the guy was a child molestor if i knew what the patient had done i'd tell my co-workers
Doctors and nurses have no right to choose what side of justice you are on. Doctors take an oath to help anyone and everyone no matter what they did. That’s the job. It comes with the job, it’s sad and frustrating but that’s what it is.
I believe that some people shouldn't be treated, some people aren't human anymore and we shouldn't treat them like it.
That is for the justice system to decide, not the doctors and nurses. Their oat is to save as many as they can, no matter who they are. They are not and should not be judge, jury, and executioner.
I'm sorry with all people that thinks that nurses and doctors should care for everyone equally.
Predators do not deserve anything. Taxes are not paid so healthcare is given to these monsters. The o my reason the should be given medical care is to make sure they rot in jail.
predators do not deserve anything but its not the doctors right to decide that.
@@englishcloud6299 they can
Terrible situation bit you have to keep your feelings away at work! You're a nurse to help ppl. Everyone who comes in.
April on the wrong side of things, as usual
They should make it a thing, all rapists and sexual offenders should NOT have access to health care periodt
Everyone is obligated to get treated regardless of their actions.
"Enough to keep me occupied" was VILE.
This is why we have a Police force let them sort it out The nurses should of just continued like it was any other patient
Did u not watch it all?
Police forces are rarely ever useful in these cases.
Hank looks so wholesome and cute..I feel so bad for him
I just love the hypocrisy of this comment section, saying it is unethical to deny patient care but when it comes to an abortion people say doctors shouldn't be obligated to help the women out
So you’ve seen the exact same people make both statements?
@@PringlesTheMonkeyKing it's literally always the same with the same old people, they will cry about the obligations of a doctor but when it comes to abortion suddenly thise statements dissappear
People saying Choi was right are corrupted. If you really think saving a patient without bias should be top priority here, you really have to be different kind of soulless...
Well you clearly don't know what you saying , even if it out of your goodness , you have to be unbiased , and if he was biased it could make them file a lawsuit against the whole hospital and unless the victim doctor has proof of bieng molested nothing's gonna happen
Cutting off communication and getting unprofessional at your job is so irresponsible. Hard as it is , you took an oath .
Good question what is this "oath" is this some sort of universal rule given by some god that cannot be change?
@@maimaibiri9045 news flash - professionalism is something that is not just important but a necessity when you work in a medical field. This deals with human lives and health. It's not some random diner where you can be petty with minor consenquenses.
@@MrMaike3009 Like slavery?
@@MrMaike3009 news flash - according to ol america, slavery is something that is not just important but a necessity when you work in a corn field. This deals with human lives and health. Its not just some random tree where you can pick which fruits are ripe.
But it got change, cause it was just some humans who made it.
The fact that he died, Practically means he got away with what he did.
True but atleast he couldn't hurt anymore kids
It wasn’t Even him it was his twin
Nurses shouldn't be judge jury or executioner
They should just do their job and move on
Technically actual executioners are often doctors and nurses because many places require medical license for execution with stuff like lethal injection and also need someone with medical license to confirm the prisoner is dead. It's ironic though because a person can also lose their medical license for participating in execution. It's a weird controversy where government and medical community are on opposing sides, and it's why the identities of physicians who participate in executions are usually kept confidential.
Not that easy
People forget doctors and nurses are human too. It's the hardest thing to do, doing their job properly is a must but they can't "just move on".
@@henkkahenrik4183 when the Lethal Injection is applied is not the doctor that Injects it, they make it yes, but they don't apply it themselves
If you can't be professional as a nurse , maybe don't be one.
Worst part is he actually seems like a sweet old guy, thats scary.
This show is the reason why I wanna become a doctor or nurse in the future
Thats a terrible reason to go into the medical field
yikes,
Chicago med is the best🖤
What should have been done in this situation was dr.Choi should have been informed the other dr would then have been removed from the case as not to cause him harm and to prevent a conflict of interest.
All the bleeding hearts who have no empathy for the hundreds of lives he has traumatize are what is wrong with western society.
"It's unethical to not treat him!"
It's unethical to ONE man to not treat him.
It's unethical to potentially HUNDREDS of children to treat him.
You really wanna pick the moIester?
@@jadecoolness101 FR,i could never be a doctor cause if i saw someone like that then im out
@@electricityisgreat2767 Of course people say "but you can't let politics cloud your judgement!"
Honestly, there is no situation where ra/pe can be justified... mur/der? Yeah, maybe it was self defense, you never know. Theft? Well, they could've been poor and desperate for food.
There is NO situation where a ra/pist has any sympathetic reasoning. 100% of the time it's just selfishness. This isn't politics, this is basic morality, and anyone who thinks this is "political" is VERY suspicious in my eyes.
Given his accent he probably enjoyed it.
Its cause they forgot the one who made that oath was also a human, they forgot that it can be changed, but hey whoever holds the power makes the rule.
Everyone calling them unproffesional are priveleged to not have any trauma in them or the ppl around them I stg. The nurses had every right to refuse to care for him or be 'mean', and none of them tried to kill him deliberately, which frankly, speaks of their restraint and proffesionalism. He would have harmed more children if he lived.
Doctors/nurses shouldn't take justice in their hands, that job is for lawyers and judges
The judges and lawyers didn't put him in jail tho? Would you have just let him molest more kids?
what if lawyers and judges fail to do their jobs
When lawyers and judges fail, justice falls to the people.
Doctors are people.
Totally agreed, except if the ones handling the justice did their job, but they did'nt so what now?
Dr Choi is right in this scenario. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I love April’s voice
And she is pretty
@@Ellecritchell8034 but her character sucks
@@littlehell2655 why?
This program reminds me my time in Cuba as students nurse a then few years as nurse 1986 when they had all equipment necessary and patients leaved hospital in emergency with a diagnosis or admitted. 🕊🙏🏻🕯️
In our nursing program at my university we are required to take and pass a course on ethics in the healthcare system, and this is a perfect example of the lack of ethics. Although while he is a monster, he is still their patient, and should be treated accordingly. The four main principles of ethics in healthcare is respect for autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence, and justice. The definition of beneficence is: “the obligation of physician to act for the benefit of the patient and supports a number of moral rules to protect and defend the right of others, prevent harm, remove conditions that will cause harm, help persons with disabilities, and rescue persons in danger” While they were acting in defence of Hank, Hank is not their patient. The definition of non-maleficence is literally “obligation of the physician to not harm the patient”. You can *clearly* see previous holes done by Doris when taking his blood, and a nursing professional should know simply how to put a needle in on the first try. While i understand the circumstances of why they were acting the way they were, it was extremely unprofessional and probably could’ve gotten them into trouble had this actually been real life.
Doctors who deliberately make it harmful can be charged with assault. I hope all doctors see this.