Introducing the Viennese Bass
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2023
- Bass player Margaret Urquhart explains how the Viennese bass differs from the regular period bass.
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I play this type of instrument. It's very fun and great for chords and all the 18th century concerto repertoire!
i see. amazing!
Woaaah where do u get one!!
@@iamthe7nationarmy788 you can convert a 5-string bass pretty easily. There are also makers who make replicas of older instruments.
True. Playing Dittersdorf with that tuning is way less exhausting than playing it with modern high pitch quart tuning.
Hello, I've been experimenting with alternative tunings myself, ¿what might you think of a D G Bb D G tuning ?
(Inverted Gmin chord, no 5th on low but a 4th, no diminished 9th but perfect octaves on a 3-string interval, and still those interesting 3rds for chords and arepeggios. The minor triad being able to transform easily to major by an addition, and maybe sounding more fit ting to the bass register)
man that smile you can tell she loves this stuff
5 string low tuned? So can I play Cannibal Corpse hammer smashed face on that thing?
Lmao bro
I mean Hammer Smashed Face is only in D# tuning lol, so yeah
@@orfeo793 lol they need to let Alex Webster play that song on that then!
@@eightfifty2309 I would love a fully acoustic cannibal corpse cover band with an upright bass at least lol
I mean... you CAN but should you.
Lovvvve the reedy fret sound 😌
It's got such a LOVELY RICH mellow sound!!!!
Always fantastic, Maggie
Super! Danke!
It went from A to F#…I love it! I’m a guitarist , a couple of my favorites are CADFAD and DADGBE
+OrchestraEnlighten *Thanks for the briefing on the Violone.*
Thanks for that. I’ll be building an EUB and was considering fretting it. Yes please.
Get an electric bass at that point hahaha. It's got the same functionality but it's easier to carry and easier to play XD
@@BeesKneesBenjaminalso probably a lot cheaper
You should ask to lick her toes as well. Ask her to paint then a certain color.
@@BeesKneesBenjaminwell the curved bridge is essential for bowing which I think OP was getting at
Is there a whole video about it?☺️
instantly got the same question in my mind
yup there needs to be a whole video about this!
I was playing a bass in 6th grade, I would always make creepy sounds or play music from horror movies/games 😭
A 5 string double bass ❤
Sweet
Because double bass is too much big
For one accustomed to the more traditional tuning, I can imagine this taking extraordinary concentration to play.
That is fascinating!
I notice the shape is much more like a violin, whereas the double bass is shaped more like a viol.
That's just the model/make, not specific to viennese. That only regards tuning, there are many basses that look like that in other tunings.
I played a fredded baroque bass sometimes. It's fun but gutt strings need constant tuning and tuning takes lots of time!
I like the notion that some bass player has played upright their whole lives and genuinely thought "Oh man, yea! What DO these.. phurets do?"
So how are the frets spaced? Are they adjusted for equal temperament like guitars? And what happens when you play down below the frets? Because I see you only have frets at the top of the fretboard
Answer from Margaret: The frets can easily be adjusted according to whichever temperament the ensemble is using. Equal temperament is just one of many possibilities.
Playing higher notes, which are higher than the frets, one either presses the string down onto the fingerboard, as a modern bassist does, or one plays ‘half’ pressing the string, or pulling it slightly to the side (also known as an Italian technique), or when possible one uses harmonics which are a characteristic of Viennese tuning.
@@oae yes I understand temperaments I know equal temperament is just one of many types of tuning but the point was, which you have answered , whether they were fixed at equal temperament.
The viola da Gamba has tied gut frets which can be adjusted. Unlike the Frets on a guitar which are fixed metal frets. The Frets on the video here, I see now, are adjustable gut Frets.
So it's tuned to a chord
Slap it.
i was wondering how far id have to scroll to find this comment
Fascinating!
love this
Reminds me of mr krinkle by primus
Omg thats beautiful. I want frets on my stand-up
Hello, I've been experimenting with alternative tunings myself, ¿what might you think of a D G Bb D G tuning ?
(Inverted Gmin chord, no 5th on low but a 4th, no diminished 9th but perfect octaves on a 3-string interval, and still those interesting 3rds for chords and arepeggios. The minor triad being able to transform easily to major by an addition, and maybe sounding more fit ting to the bass register)
I was wondering if there was gonna be an E after that open D 🙂
Would you be allowed to play it with others say in an orchestra?
Yeah 👍😊
An F and an F# in the same tuning is pretty strange.
Her bass is tuned in A415
@@TheCreate78I think that’s an A=432hz
Very strange indeed.
@@TheCreate78 how does that change anything lol. Also it’s not
Hello, are the Frets ribons?
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Bruh I knew Hayden and motzart were dogs, but them boys playing in Drop D
This would be a mean upright for jazz.
With frets ?
matur suksma
I thought she's gonna play the bass line of canon in D all on open strings
Like a Violone, I like it, I did die inside when I saw the gut frets as I know how horrible they can be. I play Theorbo, baroque guitar and Vihuela and the gut frets have to be the worst thing about baroque and renaissance era plucked string instruments
I'm curious, what's so bad about gut frets?
I've always wondered why these instruments have like 5 or 7 frets and then go fretless. Is it because they didn't expect or see any need for more frets?
I might be wrong, but in the XVIII century the double bass was nearly exclusively a low, background instrument (often doubling the cellos, perhaps an octave lower) with no solo parts to speak of.
It is therefore quite probable that the higher range was seldomly used.
So why don't violin family instruments have frets? Thanks.
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Babe alert! She fine!!
Definitely
Love Baroque strings.
Technically it should be early classical
@@phineas1117 The bow, though, seems more Baroque.
@@thephantomeagle2 In the classical period and romantic period, there was no standard requirement about the use of bow. People can use whatever bow they have
That's hot.
I see an EPIC bass battle with Davie504 and Charles Berthoud coming soon
Frets make a lot more sense, I think beginner violin and cello players should have frets too. Then you can get playing in tune a lot quicker, like a guitar
Violin, viola and cello teachers will put stickers on the neck for beginners
The fretted violin can disturb you from playing it because the frets will be too compacted
@@phineas1117 oh ok, it just seems if people learnty teh bowing adn they had some basic finger skills the vilin would be more accesable (liek playing an acoutisc guitar or ukele)) if they had frets, at least frets in the first 5 or 7 notes on each string maybe ?
@@CourtWatchAuI think that might be fine because a viola da gamba also have 7 frets only
@@phineas1117 ok yeah, I think its a good way to start
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When she says "it is more of a gamba" then I think, sure, where do you think the double bass tuning comes from? It is part of the gamba family. That's what I remember, it explains why these things are different from bass guitars.
Sure, there are strings, some have frets, some are fretless, that is similar. But the number of strings, and the intervals between the strings are usually very different, comparing the violin and guitar bass instruments. Think about the implications while playing. Having a 4 string or a 5 string bass is not "just one extra string", you get new positions where you can play a lot of tones, and you need to learn using them. I guess the double bass and this Vienna bass have similar implications for how you play them. There are no simple differences, think about the circle of quints, an alternative tuning has effects on how to play in the several existing keys.
@voornaam3191 *The Violone, **_Viola da Gamba_** and **_Viola d'Amore_** are scaled for their respective pitch ranges.*
Thirds do make a lot of sense if you want to play chords, I guess.
as an upright player, that weirds me out :)
Wait, what about the bow you're using?!?!
It's a classical bow, sort of. Bows back then were more arched and althought by the classical period violin bows were already starting to look more like modern bows this development took some time to affect Contrabasses.
Viennese bass is a double bass but 5 string
I think those frets are very sacrilegious
Such a shame Haydn's DB Concerto went awol...
Frets!?
Is the bass a part of the gamba family?
Yes, as opposed to the other orchestral strongs from the violón family. Convergent evolution, everything is evolving into crabs eventually
This is what they use for train horns
Rad
Sorry but these basses always sound terrible to me lol
Might be the gut strings, might be the different bow, might be the frets, maybe it's the way the whole instrument is built. It's just the epitome of the sound I try to avoid
F but why did you not tune it to 432 geeee butterfinger no bread no noodles 😅
oh look that's the sacrilegious bass
When were the frets added? I'm assuming it's not original to the instrument
Why? The use of frets predates this bass.
Answer from Margaret: Frets are made of gut, and wear out quickly, so they are part of the ‘fittings’ of a bass, as strings are, and are replaced frequently.
@@oaelike some predecessors of today‘s guitar.
Unusual??? It's so pronounce! It's like the note says its name.
Play Metallica on it
Open f on the bottom🤢🤮
Upright guitar