E87 - Alex Cora Ejected Arguing Chris Guccione's Strike 3 Call to Rafael Devers at Bottom of Zone
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- HP Umpire Chris Guccione ejected Red Sox manager Alex Cora for arguing a strike three call to Rafael Devers ahead of a strikeout-throwout double play to end Boston's 8th inning against the Rays. Report: www.closecalls...
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Looks like Gucch had a GREAT ZONE!
The Gucc is becoming one of my favorite umps. Accurate, and when he deals with erroneous arguments he just keeps his cool and acts professional.
He didn't really have a beef with the strike calls...Guccione missed a pitch clock violation on one those pitches
Been sayin… we. Don’t need robo… just hold your umpires accountable (Angel Hernandez) and hire better umps… problem solved
@@amonrodriguez3518 Quite a lame comment by you when the umpire was correct and Cora was wrong.
@@alanhess9306 still stands tho.
@@amonrodriguez3518 Robo umps are not yet more accurate than humans. Check out some of the strike calls in the Atlantic League.
It’s called swing if it’s that close. It’s getting ridiculous how they all want to argue when they get called out on strikes. Swing the bat batter.
Pinch hitting to boot.
I think the hidden message Cora was sending was "Hey it's our famous ball-park, you're here enjoying the hospitality of our city, you're supposed to call the close ones for us!" Entitlement-R-Us!
great throw by that catcher, wow
I'd love to see his reaction when he gets back to the clubhouse and watch the feed with that infernal box... When he realizes that he was wrong... at least according to that box.. we know that up and down it does have accuracy issues.
The Green explanation of the call shown on the screen is the post game analysis and is completely accurate. The graphic box is not accurate.
Alex Cora is wholly incapable of realizing that Alex Cora was wrong about anything, even if video evidence was available.
Can't wait for the public apology for the tantrum Oh wait, never happen.
This is where you start metaphorically thinking of throwing out the announcers. (Obviously, not in this case -- just metaphorically.) Those two were STRIKES. All day every day.
Some things never change.😒. From what I saw, Guccione had a great strike zone. 👍.
Fire Alex Cora for the love of God!!
I believe it’s time to find a replacement for Alex Cora, too.
I’m on it. He’s gone in the morning.
he’s not the problem it’s the front office
Cora was just trying to light a fire under the team.
The embarrassing part is video's like this on social media reminding everybody that the team is just not playing well.
Attended one game at Fenway. Very memorable.
Maybe, but it makes Cora look like an idiot to argue the correct call.
Umps had it right!
This to me looks like a classic fire up the team ejection.
Imagine being a punching bag at work even when you've done a good job.
need to swing the bat when they are that close.
In both these cases, yes. But how far does "that close" extend? I've seen pitches called strikes that weren't particularly close, and someone will almost always say "swing the bat" as if it's a hitter's job to flail at anything close so the umpire can't miss the call.
Again, in this case, it's accurate-but you'd be amazed at how often that statement isn't.
Looked like good calls to me. Surprised at how much Guccione has changed, he used to have the most ridiculous trigger when it came to throwing people out.
Chris had great zone today. It’s more about the frustration from Sox they are average .500 team.
But joined yet again by the Yankees watching this years WS on TV yet again.
I watched this game and Gooch was fantastic. I checked umpire scorecards and he only had 2 misses all game! Cora is just a crybaby and so are his players.
Where was the ejection signal? Did both broadcasts miss it?
Two videos in a row where the umpires do a great job. It’s a Christmas miracle!
Id say an ejection video is about 60% umps doing a good job and the coaches/players not knowing what they are talking about and about 40% blatant mess up on the umpires, you're making it seem rare the umps do their job correctly when it really is not
Alex Cora just fucking hilarious let’s be fr
How come no one ever talks about the egos of players/managers?
Because bashing people in positions of authority is the haute cuisine of modern culture.
I can't wait for the technology to be as good as this but faster so we can basically see these reports in near real time. Robo ups are one thing but backing up good or challenging wrong calls will only help baseball in tbe long haul.
both catchers seemed to be framing it well into the zone
Gucch was right on target! Hitters don't leave it up to the umps! Swing the bat at any close pitches!
Announcers should have the same strike zone capability that this great CZcams channel has. Cora and the Bosox announcers both look like their spreading misinformation 😅
While watching MLB Tonight this ejection happened 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Alex Cora always had me dying laughing when he gets tossed.
Red Sox ejections are always hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I understand the first one, but that one on devers was a strike anywhere on the planet
I wouldn’t be opposed to a 1 game suspension for arguing a call or calls that were clearly correct.
Hmmmm, another one of these videos where the complaining manager/player was dead wrong... shocker. Umps are far from perfect, but they get more calls right than the people sitting in the dugouts do.
Gucc is a great ump, can you look at the foul ball call in the top of the 9th with Paredes at bat
They are use to getting calls…especially at home. Yankees also.
It seems to me that catchers are are even more extreme than ever in pulling the mitt. Shouldn't fool the umpire since he's looking at the ball over the plate, has this been coached in the present day? The days of holding the mitt for strikes, close or not, seem to be over. When I worked over a decade ago, I wanted to get a clean look at the pitch without unnecessary movement by the catcher.
I know viewing angle is everything- but comparing to the batters knees, this camera shows it’s much closer to being a ball than the strike zone indicator. I’d like to see a different angle
Do you know where the bottom of the zone is?
@@alanhess9306 I believe it’s just under the batter’s knee. I don’t really remember making this comment but I think I was just trying to say that with camera having a downward angle on the field of play, it’s harder to tell exactly where the ball crosses, a horizontal view is a lot better at determining where it crosses (height-wise and that would be the angle the Boston manager has) That being said, when you see the footage we have, it does look like a strike.
@@jacocristoforo It's the hollow beneath the knee which is at least an inch under the kneecap. Did you pay attention to the explanation in the video? Ignore the box graphic on the screen, it is notoriously inaccurate. Pay attention to the analysis in green which is much more accurate.
Right! The onscreen graphic is usually inaccurate-that’s why I called for a second camera angle for visual reference. Thanks for backing me up!
@@jacocristoforo You should be ignoring the "graphic box" and be paying attention to the post game analysis in green which confirms they were all strikes.
Umpire and Sox fan here and will say cora will soon be fired and bloom will go bye bye as well.
Wait till y'all see the ump scorecard 😂
Didn’t the Sox come back and win? Maybe they should fire Cora. Seems the team did better after this
What do you think about the last pitch of MIL @ CIN? Check swing, but in my book it’s not a swing. Announcer even incorrectly states the rule.
This is the first time I've seen something with the 'zero error' system that I have to question. The low pitch to Turner was below his knees, and the strike zone is defined as 'a point just below the kneecap'. I understand that the system is using actual physical measurements, but it seems like that pitch was low regardless. Turner is in his normal batting stance, and the ball is below his knee. See 1:15-1:118 of the video. Is it possible that the baseline was set incorrectly for Turner's at bat?
There's another thing to consider. My understanding is the measurement is taken at the front edge of the plate-it's possible for a ball to be in the zone when it crosses the front of the plate, but not by the time the catcher catches it several feet later.
@@almostfm Correct. Automated ball/strike systems do not call pitches the way the rules define them. In fact, ABS doesn't even track the ball all the way to the plate. It's measured at a point after the pitcher releases it, and its position, velocity, and spin rate are measured. The rest of the pitch is simulated by Trackman. Hawkeye Tennis works the same way: it's not reality, it's a simulation.
I believe you are basing your judgement on where the ball was caught, not where it was when it crossed the plate.
Cora 100 in the wrong and acts the fool.
Where is the public apology? Where is the accountability?
Umpires are not a piñata for their emotional vomit
How that would have been handled with an electric strike zone. Same strikes called strikes but player doesn't yell at ump and manager doesn't yell at ump. Nobody is ejected
Apparently you haven't seen the videos from coaches in leagues with entirely automated strike zones getting ejected for arguing balls and strikes with the plate umpire. The one from last week in AAA was hilarious: the manager made a complete ass of himself.
@@teebob21 thank you for bringing that up. I did see the video and it was not because the electronic strike zone messed up. It was because the team was out of challenges. That is a flaw for that system because it still relies on human umps. Also that was 1 ejection. MLB has had dozens already this season just over ball/strike calls
@@blueskies25 Keep being an apologist for game participants who can't learn to control their behavior and eliminate misconduct.
I'm sure that will work out for you eventually.
@@teebob21 you mean the umps who toss people because their paper thin egos get hurt from people in the dugout
@@blueskies25 Ego has very little to do with it. The standard for removal from the game in baseball are very clear cut, and game participants constantly violate them and get away with it.
The only people that think ego has anything to do with ejections in baseball are the people who have never so much as worked a T-ball game.
LMAO! I can't wait for the robo umps! Who are these hump managers going to yell at then? The coders? The hardware engineers? Pace of play? Hell, we cut these shenanigans out of the game, we might all be leaving the ballpark in an hour!
Looking at the ball in relation the the batter's knees has me more confused than anything. The ball is pretty clearly below Turner's knees imo; so the pz sz_bot just seems off. For Devers it's closer, and I do think it clips his knees.
You don't know where the bottom of the zone is, do you?
@@alanhess9306 The hollow below the knees. If you freeze at 0:08 that pitch to Turner was below the hollow below the knees as far as I can tell.
BTW for automated zones in the minors that's not even the definition; it's percentages of the batter's height, so stance doesn't matter, which imo is a good change but should be codified into the rules...
@@sfan2767 Did you pay attention to the explanation in the video? Ignore the box graphic on the screen, it is notoriously inaccurate. Pay attention to the analysis in green which is much more accurate. The pitch does not need to "clip the knee since the strike zone extends at least an inch below the knee cap.
@@alanhess9306 I'm not looking at the box. Did you read my original message, I clearly was looking at the numbers. I think MLB assigned an incorrect bottom figure for these batters based on their actual stance. the location of the bottom of the zone coming from MLB isn't gospel.
@@sfan2767 The numbers in green are accurate and yes, the location of the bottom of the zone coming from MLB is gospel. The lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap.
"The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."
Red Sox sucks. LET’S GO YANKS!!!
Red Sux and Spankees both suck...no match for the mighty Rays and Orioles!
@@chrislove5651 ummm... We beat the Rays although the Orioles did kill us.
Saying it’s low doesn’t mean he thinks it’s a ball, just saying it’s low which it was.
it wasnt low, it was a strike, low implies not a strike aka a ball, there's no low strike or high strike just a strike, if you think a pitch is low that means you think its a ball. You'll learn how language works eventually
No, when a player tells you "that ball is down" after you call a strike, he's telling you that he thinks it was a ball, and it missed below the zone. In both cases, the players and manager were once again wrong.