Why Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) Is Actually Judo Featuring Olympian & ADCC Vet Dr. Rhadi Ferguson
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On the 80th episode of the Jiu-Jitsu Outlet show, I had the honor of hosting Dr. Rhadi Ferguson once again.
Dr. Ferguson has competed in Judo at the Olympics, at the ADCC world championships of submission grappling, at the IBJJF world championships, and also as a professional MMA fighter. Now retired, he teaches Judo and Jiu-Jitsu to students out of his academy in Florida. He currently holds the rank of 6th degree red & white belt in Judo and 4th degree black belt in Jiu-Jitsu.
You can find our first conversation here...
Part one:
• 🥋 Judo Olympian Dr. Rh...
Part two:
• Judo Olympian Dr. Rhad...
In this episode, Dr. Ferguson joins us to discuss the principles of the martial artists - namely Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
In this exclusive interview, Dr. Ferguson shares about why Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is actually Judo. If we want to know the principles of Jiu-Jitsu, we should look to Judo and the teachings of Sensei Jigaro Kano.
We also discuss the principles of combat and why long-passed martial artists like Jigaro Kano, Musashi, and Sun Tzu hold the answers to our questions.
Dr. Ferguson also discusses the need to focus on the martial element of the arts we practice. He also shares why it is important to always focus on getting top position instead of playing a "guard" based bottom game that has become common in modern BJJ.
Although many will not agree with his opinions about Judo and Jiu-Jitsu, they are rooted in historical evidence. Listen to this conversation with an open mind to learn more.
Here is a link to the conversation with Robert Drysdale that is mentioned in this conversation:
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And Judo is Japanese Jiu Jitsu
Yes we discuss this in the interview - I believe it's 3 or 4 questions in. Check it out and let me know what you think of his answer :)
Thus 'Japanese Jiu Jitsu' is a meaningless term. Actual Japanese jiujitsu is today called 'judo' by people in Japan and elsewhere. It's widely practiced in Japan and has been since the 1800s. Other 'jiu jitsu' schools (i.e. not aikido) in Japan, are either younger (usually much) than the Kodokan or, if they genuinely have unbroken pre-Kodokan lineage, then their members are comparable to people in England who do longbow. Outside of Japan 'Japanese' or 'traditional' jiujitsu basically means Western and young.
@@libertarian_ramblings There are many koryu styles that have western practitioners. Yes, traditional jujutsu is a small crowd, but it's very much alive. Daito ryu, Katori shinto ryu, Hontai yoshin ryu, Kito ryu etc. all have western schools. But koryu styles are notoriously picky about practitioners and require dedication. They are not sport, so they will never be for the masses.
It’s a modern form of Japanese Jujutsu. But it’s a more than that.
Nope, it is not.
There's alot of BJJ blue belts that are convinced that John Danaherr invented leg locks and the Gracies invented BJJ
YES
😂😂😂
Like Judo guys are convinced that Kano invented Judo lol
@@JEFFMAN90Kano codified judo, he studied under a few Jujitsu masters and found out It was too dangerous- people could die in matches - to be spread in the japanese population. Jujitsu had gained a really bad reputation in 19th century in Japan. He promoted a new system of teaching the techniques, modified some and it worked. Judo is an educational tool for mankind, in Kano's vision.
Imo the biggest thing Kano “invented” was introducing play into the training - the idea that we can drill these movements in a setting geared towards personal development , sport, and weight loss. These were entirely new concepts. Up till then these arts like jujitsu had existed as killing techniques for combat but no one had made them into a system that could be practiced for personal health and exercise. This was Kano’s greatest contribution and it’s not honored enough. Without him we wouldn’t have gracie jiujitsu
Kano didn’t eliminate the deadly techniques from Judo. He eliminated the idea of practicing it on your sparring partners. Because Judo is still deadly and those dirty techniques are still there but they can only be practiced through kata only. But the throwing, joint locking, takedowns and etc are all practiced.
Very well said!
Actually he did. NO leg locks, no spine locks, or neck crank.
@@tichtran664 Bullshit, he removed them. They are still in the art. Those are only banned in IJF and Olympics. Kano never took them out. In fact, go to Chadi’s channel. He is a certified Judoka and is also a historian of Judo, Jujutsu and all other martial arts that derive from Jujutsu or Judo.
@@Shadowrulzalways Yes I watched Chadi. He SAID to BRING BACK the leg locks to judo. Did you watch that?! And NO I ain't a bjj fanatic. More a catch wrestling fanatic.
@@tichtran664 He means in competition. Not the art as a whole. The art of Judo has always had leg locks and auch. The art didn’t remove it. But the IJF and Olympics did from their competitions.
Most people who prefers BJJ follows it like a religious cult and gets very angry when I say BJJ is Judo.
I started with Judo but switched to BJJ because I struggled with the throws and breakfalls and In my experience, all the submissions in BJJ is in Judo. Infact Judo and Japanese Jujitsu has More submitions than in BJJ for example Japanese Jujitsu practitioners are also allowed to attack small joints .
Japanese jujutsu is not one thing, it’s dozens of different styles which have evolved separately. Even Kano practised multiple jujutsu styles.
@@stickgarrote8582 I never said it was one thing, I said it has more submitions. They also practice strikes and weapons training.
Yes the amount of submissions that are out there is truly mind blowing... Especially if we start to take into consideration arts like Ninjutsu, Karate, Aikido, and Kung Fu that also have grappling and submissions in some of their forms.
I train BJJ, and I trained Judo for a few years, and it is simply not true that they are the same martial art. There is a lot of overlap in terms of techniques, but BJJ is constantly creating new techniques, while also taking a lot of techniques and tricks from Catch Wrestling, Free-style Wrestling, Greco-Roman Wrestling, and self-defense experts. Judo never did have good wrestling techniques; at best it had primitive wrestling techniques. Many Catch Wrestling submissions and positions do not exist in Judo as well.
Judo, if we're being honest, ceased to grow in terms of its techniques in the 1890s, and has only lost techniques and teachings since that time. Jigoro Kano's Judo trained with weapons and strikes, but almost no Judo clubs seriously train these techniques anymore.
@@jasonjean2901I feel like every technique I have ever learned in BJJ could be a Judo movement. Sure it's not in the Kodokan manual, but there is no reason why a berimbolo could not be a judo technique taught by a judo sensei.
This was a pleasant surprise to come across. Great interview.
I really appreciate that
Love listening to Dr. Ferguson
Same! Thank you for watching
Good interview man, I liked your questions
Thank you! I appreciate that :)
This podcast needs to go viral. I learned so much from him! I love learning about the history and purpose of these martial arts and how we have adopted and molded them for sport “gentleness.”
Thank you very much for watching!!! The best way you can help this content go viral is sharing it with a friend :) I really appreciate your comment
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet I hear that my brother! I have my own channel and know that people watching the same content spreads the word. So, I will send this along
@josephbreza-grappling9459 thank you I really appreciate you watching :)
Dr Rahdi is simply Outstanding!
Yes I’m a big fan
Super Podcast episode
Could you tell me what the book titles you are that mentioned?
Thank you! I haven’t had a moment to go back through and annotate those but I think he mentioned the books towards the end
This was amazing ! Great depth.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm Godan in Judo, Godan in JuJitsu, and Nidan in Tomiki Aikido. I've studied Shotokan Karate from a 5 time All_Japan Champion and Wado Ryu Karate from its founder, Hironori Otsuka Shihan. I've also trained in Kuk Sool Won under it's founder, Suh, In-Hyuk. I heartily concur with every word of this video.
thank you for watching and commenting
Bro how old are you
I’m 21 is it too late for me to learn judo
@@jamesdouglas9205 not at all! You are still very young. I began really training when I was 19... If you're local to Houston Missouri, you're welcome to come for a class at Jiu-Jitsu Outlet. We have Judo wednesdays and Saturdays :)
Jiujitsuoutlet.com/houstonmo
After judo and jujitsu what did you think of aikido? Is it worth picking up?
This was a great to hear the perspective from a judoka. I used to train at a school that had a lot of judo player so we did a lot of judo. I wish more schools did judo and started rounds standing. I thin the main thing that sets the 2 apart is the guard position. Helio learned judo and took the guard position and used it to his advantage.
Yes agreed the guard and the back mount imo are the defining features of jiujitsu
Thanks for reminding me of all the things I love about Judo.
Thank you for watching :) I felt the same about this conversation... I've been going back to some Judo roots in my training and teaching.
I studied Judo in Japan back in the 80's. They didn't give you the higher ranks unless you were of good character and were contributing to Judo in things other than sport. Judo wasn't just a bunch of throws and ground techniques for submission. If your Sensei found out you were getting into trouble. He would make sure you paid for it. The Way of the Gentleman is what Judo really means. The translation of Do or Tao means your way of life in everything you do. Not just a way to apply a technique.
The Japanese Police used Judo and Kendo as their primary self defense training. I worked Law Enforcement for the US Air Force, so I got to see them in action many times. I saw a 110 pound Japanese Policeman throw a 200 pound Marine across the hood of his car one night.
Deep respect to you and Dr Fergeson for acknowledging those points. They often get overlooked during these types of conversations. @@jiujitsuismyoutlet
Great video I trained in Judo in H.S and college got to 2nd Brown. Later I got into other arts JKD/Kali/Muay Thai the lessons I learned in Judo proved invaluable
Yes it changed my life too. Thank you for watching
I got my black belt in BJJ after 13 years of training. My instructor was a USJA Judo black belt and a 3rd degree Carlson Gracie Jiu Jitsu black belt. We practiced throws, learned the Japanese names, meanings, uchikomi, three parts of a throw, points of off balancing, methods and names of the hold downs, joint locks, chokes. We practiced foot work, kuzushi, gripping. And that’s how I teach. I don’t make a big deal as to what I call what we practice. But I believe that Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo. Some students don’t get the complete picture, but all students get a piece of the picture. Train hard, that’s all that matters.
I couldn’t agree more with this
Great podcast. Every jiu jitsu blue belt should have to listen to this!!!
Thank you!!!
This dude is legit! Started Judo at 6
for real!
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet My son just earned his Yellow Belt from "Judo Josh" at Hard Knocks Do Jo in Nevada!
Great chat and education for all.
Thank you very much for watching.
Fascinating. Deep understanding of martial arts.
Thank you for watching :)
Thank you for watching :)
I am a practitioner of both judo and "bjj". It bothers me that the Brazilians forgot that Kosen judo, a variant of judo that specializes more on the newaza, predates bjj by many decades.
YES exactly - and there are earlier forms of Jujitsu even still! In fact, Kano trained at a Japanese Jujitsu school that claimed to practice a mostly newaza style... sounds familiar lol
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet I love "bjj" but has since stop referring to it as bjj. It is jiujitsu and if we really want to get nitpicky, the correct spelling is jujutsu, a Japanese word....not Portuguese....and more recently I have found myself more in love with judo.
Based on your own statement... not only Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is actually JUDO... but SAMBO is JUDO as well... 😂😂😂
I think Dr. Ferguson would agree with this statement.
Sambo comes from Judo, all the throws are Judo???? Both sambo "inventors" for want of a better term were Judokas, one of the main reasons it came about was because Stalin didnt want any Asian influence in Russia, they wanted to carry so they "stalinised" it so they could carry it on. It branched into two parts, one with atemi and one with out. Judo also has atemi but not in the sport you see in clubs. So yes, Sambo did come from Judo, if you were serious you couldn't have had a worse example. Every main throw in Sambo IS judo, facts.
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet Sambo throws may have come from Judo, but to refer to it as still being "Judo" is ridiculous. All you need to do is look at the techniques utilized, the striking, the wrestling, and you can easily see the differences. There probably isn't a single martial art around which hasn't taken techniques from other martial arts, that doesn't make them the same thing. At best, it makes them similar.
@@jasonjean2901 i believe they are all universally the same fighting art broken down into many different styles (forms) across the world, based on culture and rules... The advent of "submission grappling" has helped us have a more umbrella term we can work with.
As a sambo practitioner and judoka I can confirm that Sambo evolved from Judo. In my personal experience nobody I've met would state differently. There is a huge respect to Judo in the Sambo community. The fact it is based on Judo is documented in the history of Sambo. In the country where I'm from we practice Sambo and Judo combined. My great-grandfather practiced Practical Combat Sambo as he was an officer in a special national security force during early years of Soviet Union. What he practiced wasn't called Sambo at the time. Going forward what I practice today is called Sambo, more specifically I do Combat Sambo. In essence Sambo is self-defence without firearms hence the name Самозащита Без Оружия - САМБО. In the curriculum there are techniques that teach how to disarm an armed person either he has a baton, firearm or knife. Other things include headbutts from the standing or ground positions. In addition there are strikes into the groin. The uniform Куртка or Самбовка allows to grip shoulders for various throws, but the rest is the same as in Judo.
This man is a philosopher. I don't necessarily agree with everything Dr. Ferguson says, but I **absolutely** respect his line of reasoning and the unparalleled depth and breadth of sports experience that led him to his conclusions. Even for the parts I disagree with, his logic and explanation are an interesting, well-reasoned perspective and make me re-think my own stance.
I felt the same! Thank you for watching this
I always learn when I listen to Dr Ferguson. Just ordered one of the recommended books. I had Jigoro Kanos book on judo. It is misplaced at the moment...
I learned a tin about grips from gim on a different video and about the kesa gatame both as a white belt a few years back.
I am at brown belt in bjj now probably because I teach because I am not as competitive as I used to be. But anyway great video.
Thank you so much for watching... I'm glad we could help add to your book collection
I have been training off and on for the last six years, working towards my Purple belt and this video answered a lot of my questions and observations that have been popping up in my mind recently. Namely, my gross lack of stand up/take downs and over reliance on pulling guard, stalling on bottom, starting on the knees and complete lack of striking/defense/footwork. I started boxing five years before ever stepping on the mats, I stopped training in favor of more grappling. Now, I am starting to focus on Judo and Muay Thai and plan on developing both from here on out. I believe it's because sport Jiu Jitsu is so much fun and captivating that people forget that we're learning to defend ourselves, not just participate in a sport.
This is very well said! I think its possible to develop a style of sport Jiu-Jitsu that also works in the street... This is what i've been developing the last few years... Check out someone like Michael Pixley's style of grappling for an example of what i'm talking about... Perfect combo of jiu-jitsu, judo, and wrestling.
Thank you and will do! @@jiujitsuismyoutlet
I couldn’t agree more! Judo newaza is high level. And I’d also argue that it’s better for the street because the position (pin) is so much more important than a sub. Subs aren’t always safe or reasonable on the street. If you break someone’s arm or choke someone out, you may be looking at 2nd Degree Assault if the cop you get doesn’t think it’s reasonable.
yes crazy - i know several people who've had to deal with this
Absolutely! It's a no brainer! I'm glad people are finally learning the truth about this subject.
agreed
Dr. Ferguson 🙌 preach on it Sir. Arigato...
thank you very much for watching
Definitley, everyone practicing BJJ should know that it came from judo with some modifications. Actually, it is probably a watered down version of Judo. Dr. Fergusen REALLY understands the art. BTW I study Pekiti Tersia Kali and it is great.
Thank you for commenting. Yes I agree! Real Judo is VERY tough training
Where are the list of book Prof. Ferguson referenced ?
good call! I'll work on getting those added into the show notes - thank you
The divorce of Judo and Jujitsu I think is a great shame. The complete art is a combination of both. competitive Judo and competitive BJJ are both respectively competitions for who is best at *half* of a martial art.
YES very well said - we need a ruleset that unifies them... I think ADCC does a good job of this.
My Man!
thank you for watching
Some people need to get warmed up a bit before getting super deep and philosophical. Here I'm two minutes in and already fascinated.
Thank you for watching! Yes we try to dive right in during the interviews. People got places to be and things to do and ain’t nobody got time for us to take 45 minutes to get into the meat of it lol
This was an amazing interview and one of the best interviewers I have seen with Rhadi. Also at 43:50 this was a crazy thing to put into perspective, I can imagine two random egyptians or greeks getting into a bar fight like situation maybe one of them fall and the one uses the other guys clothes it's basically a primitive worm guard
thank you for watching :) I'm really glad you liked it
Thank you so much, Dr Ferguson, for telling the truth!
thank you for watching
Can we get a book list please.
I bought the grip fighting system but the audio is so bad I couldn't understand a thing
I'm sorry to hear that - maybe reach out to him about it? He's very responsive on IG
I agree BJJ and judo are so closely connected. Judo just does more stand up but seems like 'physical chest.' I also train catch wrestling, i think of them all as grappling but people always need to define and seperate
Yes very well said - It's all the same art but separated by rules in competitions
Agree, having judo up your sleeve is so useful. I catch so many people out with a foot sweep or uchi matta in wrestling. Or my favourite uchi matta followed by ankle pick-up
@@LlopmondDunderbridge agreed! Judo training was the toughest i've experienced - way tougher than BJJ.... Wrestling practice compares though
My unimportant take is:
Grappling techniques are the same, regardless of the name of the art.
Grappling philosophies, on the other hand, are differentiated by the name of the art.
very well said !
39:00 Great point - a lot of people don't know. Most of the Samurai who didn't comply with the new Japanese government (after the samurai class was abolished) moved to Brazil or the US (Hawaii). So Brazil has the second largest Japanese population (excluding Japan and the US) - and that was the reason why Brazil martial arts scene in the late 1800's and early 1900's was so active.
wow i didn't know that - thank you for commenting this
Very compiling arguments.
I thought so too... thank you for watching
The concept that more ppl means harder is super flawed. The intensity matters too. Most judo practicioners are casuals. In wrestling, it's way more tough most places
I've done judo in Japan and France. Even those places don't match NCAA wrestling intensity and dedication
Yes the wrestling room is a next level place to develop hardness
Amazing podcast. Listened the whole way through.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words
"In MMA there is no triangle, no armbar from the bottom"... nice one.
Thank you for watching :)
My man speaking truth 💪🏻👊🏻🤙🏻
Thank you for watching :)
Judo is harder on the body compared to BJJ. That’s why many 40+yo men sign up since it’s not as harsh to the body as judo or wrestling. I feel that Judo due to its deep roots is less open to “change.” BJJ as it is right now is still evolving. If you’re a BJJ tournament promoter, you don’t want to be subject to Judo’s governing body. My concern with BJJ is it might become too watered down like karate.
I agree that it isn't a good idea for BJJ to want to subject themselves to the Judo governing body... at the competition level, it's important to keep them separate... for individual martial artists though, it's important to see how they are unified.
I'm agree that in Judo is harder to be and Olympian champion but the number of champions that come from wrestling in UFC comparing with Judo I think give wrestling the honor to be call martial art. Thanks for your work
I agree. I think wrestling is a martial art.
Wrestling is and always has been a martial art, as is boxing,
Maeda Mitsuyo a student of Kano migrated to Brazil and taught the Gracies the Judo:Juijitsu to Helio and his brother when they were kids . Their father paid him to teach them.
He taught other Brazilians.
exactly
It would be great if the prediction that Ferguson said came true, if BJJ assumed that it was judo and was called Brazilian judo or just judo, it would make fewer people stop fighting over stupid things and it would motivate athletes to practice both competitive modalities.
Yes I agree. We forget that BJJs success is really a tribute to Judo. If it took back the name in any degree it would help unify the grappling world more.
@@jiujitsuismyoutletit wouldnt unify anything they are clearly very different especially with judo rules today and push for ipons, no grabbing legs, almost zero newaza, competitive judo now is a race of who can grip faster and throw. Bjj is far more intricate and way less wear and tear on the body so it attracts way more practioners. Its an all around more fun and exciting and usefull art.
@@timothycarey3883interesting rebuttal. I would push back on “more useful art.” Isn’t the goal of battle to end the threat? If Judo involves the speed needed to grip and throw. Isn’t that more useful in a threatening situation? Isn’t witnessing someone be able to throw another human being with speed and force amazing to watch and more fun than a 30 min newaza match?
@@VistaLakesTV being able to win the fight from top or bottom makes bjj far more practical and gives you more ways to win. I suplexed a guy on his head on concrete and he got right up fighting, you cant guarantee a throw will end a match especially on the street. A guilotine or rear naked choke will end the fight in seconds no matter how cracked out the opponent is. Judo is awesome its just 3rd rate bjj >wrestling>judo
@@timothycarey3883 So what ? No guillotine or rear naked choke in judo ??? Come on...
The problem with this take is that judo as practiced most places is more focused on throws over grappling. The point system in the sport encourages this. BJJ came along and flipped the script and focuses on ground game, which it turns out is highly efficient. You have to separate combat (“martial arts”) from sport here. No one system is going to be able to capture both perfectly. Best ground is the high ground but the end state matters here, so let’s not pretend that’s a perfect parallel. We aren’t samurai finishing each other on the battlefield. We train (hopefully) to defend ourselves in a way that makes sense given most probable scenarios - getting to top and moving away is paramount, so yes I agree we could have a submission grappling system that encourages standup and top game as conditions for victory. Who does this, jacket and no jacket, in a way that is widely practiced as a codified system? It’s almost judo, but not quite.
First of all, the name Brazilian Jiu Jitsu took place when the Gracies were migrating to the US. Here in Brazil it was called Jiu Jitsu and, order to specify what jiu jitsu one was learning he would say Gracie Jiu Jitsu. In the US, Rorion Gracie had the name "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" patented so other professor started using Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, furthermore, the japanese weren't using this name anymore.
Imagine if we was to use Judo for Jiu Jitsu! it would be impossible because, although the techniques are there, the way it is trained is completely different (who says it is not is lying, coz I, myself, have already fought an olympian Judo black belt in a Jiu Jitsu championship when I was just a blue belt and the guy could barely win the match for scoring 2 - 0 and he finished the fight absolutely exausted). Who enters a Judo dojo or a Jiu Jitsu dojo knows exactly what expect, and it wouldn't be possible if those two martial arts weren't separeted. If those two were the same it wouldn't be necessary to train one or another in order to fit in each others rules, championships and MMA fights.
Accept the inevitable reality: Jiu Jitsu and Judo are similar but not the same anymore!
I totally hear what you’re saying but let’s back track a moment:
Your story about the black belt in judo you faced in a BJJ tournament…
Couldn’t it be argued that you’re just better than him in a part of grappling (ground fighting ) ?
I’ve faced Jiujitsu black belts who suck at leglocks and I leglock them immediately. Does this mean I’m doing some new martial art that they don’t understand? No they understand what happened and they just suck at defending.
But we are still doing grappling … the same with you and the judo black belt…. You both are doing the same martial art but you’re better at one aspect of it. He’s better at throwing and you’re better at ground stuff but it’s by a matter of degree instead of a matter of type.
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet in bjj you can become a specialist either in chokes, or armlocks, or leglocks and so on, and it doesn' demand different rules in fights and championships (MMA included).
I am no match to a judo fighter in his sport and a judo fighter is no match for me in a bjj fight, what supports the chasm between one fight style and the other.
As I said before, when you step into a bjj academy you expect to fight on the ground, no matter if attack more the upper or the lower body, and you can fight either with or without a gi
When it comes to think of judo, you will fight, mostly, standing, and always wearing a gi. The rules are way difderent from bjj also.
If Judi consistently lose against BJJ guys, why doesn’t Judo do more ground work or at least 50/50 on each instead of mostly stand up?
it depends on the school - many judo schools practice ground work and are very good at it
Some Judo players may lose to a BJJ player in a BJJ competition that much is true, but a Judo player would stand more of a chance in a BJJ competition than a BJJ player would in a Judo competition goes to show that BJJ is an offshoot of Judo.
In modern MMA, sport BJJ is far too slow. However, the reason why Judo players, Sambo and wrestlers have done so well in MMA is due to the speed, aggression and standing to ground transitions which is missing from BJJ as it's not really needed as much, and therefore not practiced a great deal if at all.
BJJ is, however, essential for refining techniques for any grappler.
I did 5 years of BJJ, and it improved my Judo ne waza immensely, so I would never knock it, and advise any Judo, Sambo or a wrestler who wants to start MMA to train BJJ.
All great sports.
@@endurojimmy3109 bjj player would only perform less in a judo competition because of the rule set. I find it interesting judo claims to be the same as bjj but doesn’t allow many things on the ground not to mention spend nearly as much time therrb
@Arcadianx98 Well, yeah, of course due to the rule set, but a Judo player can and often do enter and win BJJ competitions.
This would be highly unlikely the case for a BJJ player in a Judo competition.
I would surgest that you spend 5 years at least training in an IJF Judo club and then you would have a idea where the lines cross.
Good luck.
@@endurojimmy3109 they win because they just keep it standing whole time with takedown points
All that 'movement intp ...' that you are referring to - is called 'evolution-in-action'.
I do Kito Ryu, where Judo got most of its concepts and principles from
Where do you train that? I'd love to try it out someday
I think this sums it up. You can't reinvent the wheel,..,but you can rename it.
very well said!
If you only take the punches from Muay Thai, it is no longer Muay Thai. So I’m not sure I agree with this. If you want to learn BJJ and go into a Judo dojo, you will be disappointed.
I think dr Ferguson would say it’s the same art with different focuses… at either school you’re learning grappling but it just depends on the focus of the school if you’ll specialize in the standup game or the ground game.
I think the best academies train both equally and are good everywhere
I've been advocating for a while, in sport BJJ (Grappling Industries/ NAGA ETC) make the takedown 5 points instead of 2 (mount is 4 and a sweep is 2) / the most points, so there will still be no "IPPON" but guys will now want to fight for the takedown , also a good rule would be a guy pulls guard but misses (2x minus -1 point, and minus one every time after) and the other guys backs up and says stand up to the ref (or escapes guard and stands up) the opponent would be forced to stand up and engage ... IMO this would make a better sport and more realistic to fighting .... on the other hand in MMA there are guys that are able to finish from the Bottom, maybe not as much now since they all now learn how to defend and escape but there still are submissions from the bottom
These are some excellent suggestions! I have thought the same about the guard pull... If there's no action down there, stand them back up. If they pull guard and directly go for something (even full guard or rubber guard), then it's OK... but if they're just sitting there playing "Beach guard" then stand them up and make them reset.
They'd never change the rules like that, they would lose competitors/revenue.Competition is about making money. Making takedowns more lucrative for competitors, adds more risk to injury an less people willing to take that risk aka compete.
Hell I'm a judo/jitsu guy and you can barely get people to do takedowns in class, no one wants to do it.Only time they try is 2 weeks before a competition.
It'll never change unless a judo/jiu jitsu guy or wrestler/jiu jitsu guy starts a federation. If it's a straight jiu jitsu guy, forget it takedowns are 2 points.
@@TSM260 I feel we are seeing some innovation within the rules through the increasing popularity of the ADCC opens and also events like AIGA.... I'd love to see a grappling event that penalizes guard pulling AND also penalizes stalling on the feet (just like in wrestling where they have a "shot clock" that starts if someone is stalling).... I think that would be the most realistic.
MMA is the culmination of all these martial arts (outside of weapons).
Yes definitely
Most books I've read shares Judo is the sport form of traditional (not modern) Jiu jitsu. Not sure what books he was reading.
Yes most books do say this because it’s the truth. Unfortunately most people these days do not seem to read very much 😂🤣🤣… they get their info about martial arts history from IG and tiktok
the goal is always get top
this is what i try to do and coach others to do
Hopefully there isn't a smoke alarm chirp, i like this 😊dude
smoke alarm chirp?
BJJ rule set and score system seem designed to neutralize the strength of Judo, wresting and catch wrestling to ensure BJJ wins.
Yes i'd like to see a rulesset that penalizes guard pulling and also penalizes stalling on the feet
How many people after listening to this will actually give Africa it's credit for being the originator of the grappling arts?
The comment was totally missed by the interviewer. Never asked him anything about Nubia the name of the article or anything.
People are very interesting.
You're right - I need to get him back and do a deep dive into just this topic! Thanks for bringing this up
UFC 1 was the event that brought BJJ/GJJ to the mainstream. I’d like to pose a different reality; the real best elite martial artists of 1993. 92 Olympic Wrestling Champion Krellin, Kickboxing Branko cikatic, Sumo Akebono, 92 olympic judo champion Yoshida, Kyokushin Kazumi, Boxing Riddick Bowe, shoot-fighting Ken Shamrock and GJJ representative Royce Gracie.
Now, in what world does Royce get past any of these properly elite fighters?
right?? So many savage grapplers alive back then
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet and that’s just half the octet
Royce only won UFC 1 because of the gi, which was a rule that the Gracies installed to give them a competitive advantage. When Royce fought Matt Hughes, it showed how many holes in his game he had. A lot of sports rely on rule changes to gear competitions towards certain styles they want to showcase. Ex: the best boxer isn't going to beat a mid/low tier kickboxer when the rules allow kicks, knees, and elbows. This is the main problem with BJJ today. It's modified the ruleset so much to encourage the guard, that it's completely left out the stand-up aspect of the sport which is really the most important. So many "newer" positions work great under BJJ rules like leglocks, spider guard, de le Riva, etc. but would never be used or easily countered in MMA, which really should be the end goal mindset.
MMA is the closest we have to sanctioned real fighting, and the reason wrestlers have so much success in it is because of the mindset, conditioning, and emphasis on takedowns and top control or escapes from bottom. Judoka would probably have a lot of success in MMA as well, but they can't enter comps because of IJF rules, which is another story. "Pure" BJJ hasn't really been dominant since the first couple of UFCs because MMA is really its own thing, and sport BJJ is becoming so focused on so many unnecessary things that are only applicable to the BJJ ruleset, and not fighting overall.
@@JJDon5150 you are completely right.
Without rules all styles come under question…. I still want to see my list of fighters in a tournament. I got Krrellin winning.
Yes! I'm soooo glad that Rhadi specifically stated that all these arts go back to Alkebulan miscalled Africa. I have been arguing and proving this for decades.
Wow that's fascinating... can you share some of the resources you've studied? I'm fascinated by this topic.
The butt scoot and guard pulling in bjj is well known problem....but why don't any other judokas (I am one) speak out about the nonsense of turtle. And then judo wastes time learning turtle "attacks": this is not martial--you stike a turtle on the back of its neck, not turn for pin or armbar.
Agreed I think it needs to go all ways. I like the rules set we saw at the PGF or at ADCC. I think it encourages action
Yes! So much of judo newaxa is about turtle, and while you can't pull guard, the ruleset encourages you to "pull turtle", often belly down. BJJ rightfully considers this a terrible position to be in.
And ippon is flawed too - the fight isn't over when you throw someone. If you actually watch some street fights, plenty of people get thrown really hard (yes, on concrete) and get back up right away. Even in Olympic Judo, many big ippons end with the top person getting rolled through. If it was a real fight they'd be on bottom. You can see this with koshi guruma, particularly in women's UFC divisions.
(Also, plenty of MMA fighters have ended with triangles from bottom...)
@@rorydouglas8738 agreed this is why I like the jiujitsu and MMA rules the best in martial arts overall
BJJ = Basically Just Judo
Basically
He is right but he is ignoring that today’s judo is not what it used to be before becoming a sport.
Because of sport judo the focus of most of the training center in judo evolved in focusing in throws, in the sport, and less in the self defense.
The rule set end up defining the martial art or sport.
The judo that landed in Brazil was before the sport judo becoming popular. So most of the elements where in place. Original BJJ did not have time limits and because of it did not relegate the newaza. Also they do not care how you landed as long as you will be able to continuing fighting. Moreover they tested their martial art against other arts to gain adepts and promotion. That was very important and unique and start of mma. They started valetudo (translated as everything goes) competition and most of those where done in wrestling venues with soft floors. Nevertheless some of those where very brutal. So throwing in sport BJJ evolved as less important due to the venue and as a consequence they are less technical in that aspect. And newaza evolved as more important since they could neutralize the advantages of the other sports since there was not limit in time. Fights could last hours non stop.
They maintained some detailed technical elements that most practitioners of judo were not familiar in practice. By fighting in valetudo against other disciplines they kept important elements of original judo.
I’m really interested in judo
It’s a little off topic but I would really like to get some solid advice
I did see a video on Gordon Ryan and him getting staf infection
His health pretty much declined
Are there any preventive options for protection besides washing clothes showering right after training 😅?
Because one can never be sure enough if the mats are cleaned etc.
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Yes I use defense soap which helps to prevent skin infections because it has tea tree infused into it. Tea tree oil is proven to be lethal to staph. You can get some tea tree oil from Walmart and put some drops in with your laundry too to ensure it kills everything on your clothing
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet thanks a lot I appreciate it
@@knw-seeker6836 yes anytime. You can apply the tea tree oil to your skin too on any place that looks like it might be an ingrown hair which could turn into staph… don’t apply tea tree directly to your skin because it’s super toxic. You have to dilute it with a carrier oil like olive oil and then apply it. Never ever drink it
Keep away from foam jigsaw mats and find a club with proper Judo Tatami.
Ring worm is not unheard of from training on foam jigsaw mats.
@@endurojimmy3109 that’s super advice what about those like in the Gracie schools?
Professor is wrong about Jeet Kune Do- The term "Jeet Kune Do Concepts" was not coined until after Bruces death and comes from Dan Inosanto, post Mortem Bruce Lee.
There is a practise called simply Jeet Kune Do, that is the way of the intercepting fist and its based on a range of true standalone combat principles based on the body biomechanics.
Bruce studies different martial art styles but but he didn't make a Frankeinsteins monsters of a martial arts, he never blended, what you would call MMA, so this is wrong. He did it through studies of different styles, he understood the universal principles of unarmed combat with the headline that there are no limits and no rules, but simple to-the-death-unarmed-combat. He called it Jeet Kune Do (The way of the INTERCEPTING fist) due to the nature of the heavy emphasis on non-telegraphic deliveries, hits or kicks. Within the realm of "no-limits" and "no-way" unarmed combat takes different forms, kicking, punching, grappling etc.
Ted Wong was his true last pupil and close friend and Ted was a "blank card" meaning he didn't have previous martial arts background when he learned JKD, opposed to Dan Inosanto, who, at that time, had different martial arts styles when learning JKD.
I come from Ted Wong lineage where the latter stage JKD was taught, that is the latest updated JKD until Bruce Lees death.
i didn't know that - thank you for sharing!
It is judo, but sport judo really lost its ground technique in competition, Thankfully Bjj kept the ground game alive
yes definitely has given it a new breath
I'm brazilian and I say: Jiu Jitsu Gracie is Judo for a street fight.
It was meant to be "judo for vale tudo" in the 90's. The majority of the bjj schools don't follow that spirit anymore because it would be not beneficial for the business
I'm a brazilian too and I say: Gracie Jiu Jitsu is not Judo.
Gracie Juitsu and BJJ is not the same.Learn from a Gracie brother!
@@fernandoortolani9709 Yes, it is... Because you don't know what Judo was like when Jigoro Kano was alive.
Do you think Judo is what you see in the Olympics....
@@ricardokerscherBut that would be like saying that the judo being practiced now is not “real judo”. Or olympic karateka don’t practice “real karate”. Judo and bjj are two modern branches of the same tree.
He means bjj has no syllabus but it certainly has fundamental concepts such as leverage,frames,momentum,unblancing etc
Yes but these concepts are different depending on who you ask - hence why i'm doing a video series where I ask different folks this question lol... Check out the other episodes of this series where I talked to Braulio Estima and Jordan Pressinger... More to come soon.
The truth is, its all samurai ju jitsu. From that came judo, aikido, sambo and BJJ.
Various forms of Wrestling are not a martial arts because they don't t have a Gi? What? The claim all BJJ move are in Judo. Buggy choke available in Judo? Even with a so-called Judo way, for some reason Judo keeps losing itself, thanks to BJJ you guys care about ground fighting again. Maybe it will be OK to grabs legs again too one day. Leave *Brazilian Jiu Jitsu* alone the way it is please, go address the stripping of techniques out of Judo. Judo maximalist are funny.
I can't be bothered to find it again, but the buggy isn't new, I saw it documented in some early 1900s text.
The buggy choke is a modified kata-gatame choke done from the bottom position so you can make the argument that it's one of the fundamental chokes of Judo actually.... I think that what we are discussing here really is that all these arts are universal (grappling) and really it's just the rules set that distinguishes them from one another.
The literal reason for Brazilian Jiu-jitsu not being in the Olympics is that it is recognised as a derivative sport. Judo is in the Olympics. That is all.
well said!
I only disagree that wrestling isn't a martial art. That's like saying American boxing isn't a martial art.
Agreed
Combine the two form another style of jutsu
They’re already split from the same tree. Only differences that I can see is in how they’re practiced in competition/competitive training. A hundred years ago the names would have been synonymous. That’s just my opinion though man.
Dr Ferguson argued in this video that doing so would stop the growth of the original art (Judo)…. Imagine launching a new business every few years with a different name but asking the same stuff each time. You’d confuse the market… the same has happened with grappling
That’s Kosen Judo. It has the standup of Kodokan with the ground game of BJJ. There’s enough evidence that you could claim the Gracie’s just renamed Kosen Judo
Great conversation. I always follow the money: the differences always happen because of people’s monetization efforts and attempts to “differentiate”. IBJJF is a business owned by some Gracies. If they just belonged to the country judo federation and IJF, where’s the ability to have a business? Judo was setup like a foundation and that has continued to be the spirit in it.
Thank you so much for watching. You’re very right about this.
Yep. Monetizing the art.
Then Judoka should be cleaning up at Jiujitsu competitions and vice versa? Give Brazil it's credit❤ They're similar, but different arts.
Couldn’t it be argued that they’re the same art and those who came from Brazil are better at one part of that art (ground fighting)?
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet So BJJ is Basically Just Judo?😂
The style itself is "ju" meaning gentle or yeilding. The term "do" just means way, and the term "jitsu" means art. Judo is ju jitsu that has been adapted for peace times. It's no longer used as an "art" of war and is now used as a "way" of self development. Therefore the real difference between ju-do and ju-jitsu is the mindset or intended use.
jutsu* the termn "jitsu" is a deformation of the word by westerners
Yes i think both are a part of the same larger art but it was Jigaro Kano who first had the idea and innovation of taking out deadly moves from Jujitsu and creating a form that could be practiced for self defense, personal development, and exercise... Instead of giving the Gracie family all this credit, we should acknowledge Jigaro Kano's contributions to this way of training we all practice.
It's jūjutsu.
Jutsu and Jitsu are both western terms or translations as the Japanese don't use the same writing system.
@@s1r155 Regardless of the name we call it (we could call it "jacket wrestling".... or "Missouri Scrap Tackling" hahaha).... I think it's important to recognize that the ART is singular... In other words, grappling/Jujitsu/Judo/BJJ/wrestling are ALL the exact same art but only differentiated by the rules of the academy or competition space.
He should go on JRE and talk about this cus Joe seems to think Moderna martial arts is way more advanced than it's ever been 😂😂😂
Agreed!!!
if Bjj is Judo then Judo is Jujutsu, Jujutsu is Sumo and Sumo is Shuai jiao, Shuai jiao is Kushti, etc, etc. so no Bjj is not Judo.
I think grappling is grappling and there’s different forms of if that you practice depending on where you’re from
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet
I know. but Dr. Rhadi Ferguson loves to make the argument that BJJ is Judo therefore BJJ is useless.
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet
I know. but Dr. Rhadi Ferguson loves to make the argument that BJJ is Judo therefore BJJ is useless.
Would you say that the martial art of Judo is the parent of sport Judo, BJJ and Sambo? Are they all expressions of Judo
Yes I think so but overall I believe grappling is the parent martial are and all others and different forms of it
bjj: basically just jutaijutsu, judo: jutaijutsu under downgraded olympics ... all forms of grappling are essentially different varieties of jutaijutsu
yes grappling is universal
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet bjj pretends it not to be, if grappling was a dish of ice cream, bjj always needs that extra scoop on top of it all, deny it all you like, those are the facts, bjj wants a monopoly on grappling, do you actually believe we hadn't noticed ...
I haven't seen most of the 10th planet Jiu-jitsu system in judo
You have not looked hard enough then :) I learned the lockdown from a Judo black belt when I was 15... Eddie Bravo himself credits Judo with helping him figure out the lockdown and parts of the rubber card. YES he innovated A TON but the origin was in Judo.
@jiujitsuismyoutlet I definitely have and continue to study daily. I'm a big fan of Dr. Ferguson, but the 10p system is its own entity and could be considered AmericanJiu-jitsu. All arts pull from somewhere where the lockdown Eddie said he learned it, Gordo a gracie barra bb.
and as a bonus he's kimbo's cousin
thank you for watching
It would be nice if Rhadi could develop a modicum of nuance and politeness. He comes across as very preachy, and in a lot of places I know enough to see that he's over- or under-stating things with emphatic opinions that are highly debatable. He might take a page from science, where when there are opposing views there is typically a professional recognition that the differences may potentially be valid. He makes lots of great points, but it's spoiled by the polemics.
he definitely speaks very openly about what he believes
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet and dismissively, almost insultingly about what others believe.
As a black belt in both, 100 years of separate evolution and focus have created two distinct martial arts that are extremely effective but based on the original teachings of Jigoro Kano.
it seems to me that the origin of most of these arts is japan, not africa.
I think that they all evolve in their own geological location but it shows the universality of the martial arts
Letters and numbers, botwilde.
To contribute though, yes. Rhadi, yes. I already shared my feelings on the IG post, but to add, I don't teach or SELL bjj either. Just Judo.
Very interesting! Thank you for watching
I hope Jiu Jitsu doesn’t find its way into the Olympics at all, Olympic rules ruin combat sports. The beauty of Jiu Jitsu is that you can do sport, martial, or just general practice of it. And a sport black belt will still kill 99% of the population. Jiu Jitsu as it is is perfect because it’s not hindered by a unified rule set. The beauty of the martial art is the endless possibilities. There’s pure Jiu Jitsu, wrestling style Jiu Jitsu, judo focused Jiu Jitsu. To me, Jiu Jitsu is the purest form of grabbing in that it’s a choose your own path RPG more than a unified martial art. You can do self defense or sport focused Jiu Jitsu and jump either way as you please. Judo is judo wherever you are, and while there’s good in that, there’s also negatives as well.
I agree - i think ADCC is our olympics and we should keep it that way
BJJ stands for Basically Just Judo...
😂😂😂😂
That’s all true Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu come from Judo. And judo come from Japanese Jiu-Jitsu. In the same way powder come from China, but rocket science not. The level and the changing of the Judo rules for a so long period of time really put things on another perspective. The rule set really change the game.
That’s a great analogy using gun powder. I’d never thought of that but such a good example of how arts are changed as they make their way around the globe
Dude I have been saying this. Haha holis has been say this
crazy right??
Jiujitsu doesn’t have a way because of leg locks?
Judo has remained unchanged because the scope of the art is as deep as a puddle and as vast as an ocean. Wtf are you gonna change when there are two options? Ones standing and one is not.
Wrestling is never respected either but you don’t fuck around with them on the mat unless you want to get placed on it.
This guy has a high bias and I don’t think he can see that.
Yes I don’t agree with him that wrestling isn’t a martial art
And judo is actually wrestling.
Yes.
Agreed I think it’s all grappling with different faces
Both Judo and Brazilian Jiujitsu come from Jujutsu, or Japanese wrestling. Jigoro Kano, as an young twenty-something decided that Jujutsu was too focused on the ground and so he emphasized the stand-up aspect. In Brazil, the Gracies in particular preserved the traditional ground game aspect and de-emphasized the stand-up aspect.
So both Judo and BJJ are bastardized versions of the original art.
well said!
Jujutsu too focused on the ground? Can I get more information or a source on that because that doesn’t seem to fit with any research of mine. We know that Tenjin Shinyo-ryu had a good amount of torae waza (immobilization techniques) and both that and Kito ryu had shime waza (choking techniques), but neither of them emphasized them. Relying more on strikes and throws along with joint locks (usually while standing). Even if we go back. Historically, sumo is the ancestor art of jujutsu (and what most samurai practiced before 1532 when the takenouchi school of jujutsu was founded) and there’s no ground game there since if you exit the ring or touch the floor with anything aside from the soles of the fight you lose. Even in a battlefield context going to the ground wouldn’t be ideal. Even during the edo when no wars were fought, they tried to keep tradition and didn’t specialize much into things such as ground work often, some schools were the exception but not the rules (though certainly the ground game did develop more during that time).
The only thing I would say is similar to what you said is when Kano criticized the Kosen branch of judo for emphasizing ground work. But to say that traditional Japanese jujutsu was very ground focused I think is a misunderstanding unless you can educate me otherwise.
Traditional JuJutsu has ZERO ground game. Gracies lie about a lot of things. They will say FusenRyu JuJutsu had ground fighting. Too bad for them that FusenRyu still exists today and it has ZERO ground game. Search any old school traditional JuJutsu and you won't find any ground fighting. You may find techniques that start standing and end on the ground with an arm lock or choke. Those exist in Aikido too. You wouldn't say Aikido has ground fighting, would you? Same thing with traditional JuJutsu. Ground fighting in JuJutsu as we know it today STARTED WITH JUDO.
@@senerzenTraditional JuJutsu has the same ground techniques as Judo and BJJ - Judo and BJJ didn't invent any new techniques. A Ryu is a combination of different martial arts styles - so Fusen-Ryu had sword techniques (kenjutsu), hand-to-hand (taijutsu), grappling (JuJutsu), arresting techniques (honojutsu), spears, bows, etc. So when you see demonstrations Fusen-Ryu - they often are showing the different aspects of their Ryuha (war-school).
"Traditional JuJutsu has the same ground techniques as..."
No. Please give me the name of the Traditional JuJutsu school that had SankakuJime. While you are on it, you may want to search the name Tsunetane Oda.
FusenRyu does NOT have ground grappling. I've trained with them in Japan. I'd rather learn about FusenRyu from people who do it.
Ryuha does not mean "war-school". 流派(ryuha) just means school. There is no "war" there. You know ikebana or tea ceremony? They also haw ryuhas (schools) too.
Sorry but you are talking too confidently about things you clearly have no clue about. @@TheCCBoi
Bjj does stem from judo but to say bjj is judo still today is far from the truth. Yes judo has those submissions but that’s not the focus. Bjj yes you can throw but that’s not the focus. One is submission focused whereas the other on a perfect throw/ippon. A judoka could never submit a BJJ practitioner just as the BJJ guy will never throw the judoka.
Yes both definitely have different areas of focus but they are still in the umbrella of the same art.
@@jiujitsuismyoutlet Would to say the same about sambo?
Yes Sambo was created by Judo black belts and changed into Sambo due to the Soviet Union wanting to have their own martial art. @@theursidaepugilist
Nice breakdown of JKD. Seems like the a lot of it’s practitioners wanna play Bruce Lee rather than pay attention to what he was saying.
yes exactly - it's all about finding what is effective