How To Overhaul Shimano 333 FA 3-Speed Hub
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2015
- I show how to disassemble, clean, lube, and re-assemble a Shimano 333 FA three speed hub. I also show how to install the wheel and adjust the shift cable. You can replace the bearings if they need it. In the video I use a Shimano TL-3S20 Ball Cup Removal Tool. I plan to do another video showing how to rebuild this type of hub without the special tool.
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Hi - On this vid in 2015 you said you would do one w/o the Ball Cup Tool. I can't find it on your website or Y-T channel. What's the deal?? How can I do this w/o the tool?
Awesome have a great day👑
RJ how do you spoke this bike wheel? the rear wheel?
@@anthonmargilaj3215 www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004H1UA9Y/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
This video was a life saver. I felt overwhelmed with trying to do this myself. THANK YOU!
A good source for the missing pin you had to leave out is your local hardware store. When engineers design a piece of hardware they try to use common sizes as much as possible. Between fraction, letter, number, and metric size drill bits you can usually find a very close match. The shank usually isn't hardened and is the same size as the fluted end. A propane torch or even the burner on a gas fed kitchen range will provide enough heat to harden and temper such tiny parts if they need it.
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME VIDEO! I just picked up one of these hubs and wanted to overhaul it before building up a wheel and now I know how to do it! THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH!!!
Very good RJ, once again. Very patiently explain things, which makes it less daunting for anyone wishing to have a go at this. I always enjoy your tutorials, as they are less about you (as a lot of these vids. are) and more about 'the job in hand' Commendations once again! Rob. Nuff said....
This video is like finding gold to me perfect!!
Thanks. Your video was a lifesaver. I watched it several times to finally be able to reassemble a Shimano hub on an old bike. I'm not sure it was worth the effort, but at least I have some idea how the hub works now.
This was an extremely helpful video. I had started to take one like this apart and had no clue how to get it back together. The step by step and camera work were excellent. Mine, is back up and running thanks to this video.
Thank you for this video. I found those clips hanging out in there. I made my own notch on outer lip and was able to use a blunt chisel and hammer to remove threaded hub.
a professional in his work. really nice to watch. thanks, you are like the grand dad that I never had :)
I have 2 vintage bikes with these hubs and I am about to rebuild both. Thank you very much for this video.
Your expert experience make it look like anybody could do it👌
Thanks for the vidéo, it really help me a lot ! I found the schematic online (and it was usefull to number all the pieces) but your video guide me all along ! 🙏
Thank you for posting this! It took me a few tries but I’ve finally got my hub back together. The tool was an PITA to track down but essential. I actually got all new guts so I got to skip a couple steps but never would’ve been able to accomplish the repair without this video.
Where are you based out of? Can I buy it off you 😂
New internal parts while it's disassembled seems like a good idea.
Thank you so much for this video. I took apart a jammed up 333 hub on a 1970's Huffy and couldn't figure out the pin and spring setup. This video saved a much deserving bike. A little sappy, but what the heck.
Thank goodness I came upon this video. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Now I can put this thing back together and install it in the right order.
Just took my 333 hub apart and serviced it all. couldn't have completed it without watching this video twice . Still had a little trouble with the master hub Pawls not seating properly against the wheel hub shell. I noticed that the shifter rod would not move when things were not seated properly . I can't believe that I could still buy the shell hub tool . Video really is step by step .
Curtis, I had the same problem with the master hub Pawls not seating properly against the wheel hub shell. It all seemed to go back together fine, but it wouldn't shift. Difficult to see the problem. I finally figured it out last night and got it to work. I couldn't find the tool anywhere online so I made one out of the large nut from a ball trailer hitch.
I have a 1973 Universal on the repair stand with one of these rear hubs. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks RJ. Your videos are awesome!
Just finished my rebuild and it works like new. Thanks again, RJ!
RJ, thank you for your awesome videos. I have used several of them to help me repair bikes I have worked on. One thing I have not seen any videos on, and that is front freewheels. I have two that I would like to disassemble and clean. I know they are not common, but if you have a chance, I would love to see a video on that. I also recommend your videos to anyone I encounter that wants bike repair advice. Thank again.
Wow! I never realised I had such a piece of engineering marvel in my rear wheel.
Great video, I wish everybody made them as clear and concise as you. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
This helped me SOOOO much. THANK YOU!!!!
Thanks! This was one of the best DIY vids I have ever seen.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you very much!!!
Thank you for the excellent video, now I know that to expect if I ever have the guts to take my three speed Shimano 3CC hub apart.
Dear RJ, awesome work, awesome video and compliments again teaching us how ro do it and being confident to get all these crazy parts reassembled again 👍🌞🍀 greetings and thanks from Germany 🇩🇪
I have a Murray with this hub; time to rebuild. Thanks for the video.
Excellent information. Shows the difference between the Sturmey Archer AW hubs
yeah awsome video mate thanks heaps just got my 3 spd shifting beautifully. awsome ride old school chopper. i was ready to throw the bloody thing over the fence when i stumbled on this vid, mate i owe you beer.
I am in the process of repairing a 333 and I had to make the short axle key to make it complete. Re-assembly did not go well & ended up breaking a pawl and spring so I ordered these & a few extra parts off ebay. Delivery is Oct 17th to 24th and will throw an update later on as to how things went. No special tools used here, just my own variation I cobbled up.
Thanks for the excellent video!
Unfortunately, those Shimano 3 speed hubs are not as robust as the Sturmey Archer hubs. They had to redesign the whole thing so as not to infringe on any of SA's patents.
what a life saver best video I have ever seen thanks for the help
Love the vids mate, very useful :D
Very helpful and clear...thanks!
Another great video. Very informative. I did have to close my eyes when you used the knife to remove the clip, LOL. I did something similar and got a pretty bad cut..
I was having trouble getting under it with the screwdriver. That part was edited out.
Thanks so much for posting this. This is the hub I had in my "Dragster" style bike I had as a child in the early 1970's (they were called that in Australia but I believe they were called wheelie bikes in the US). I never overhauled it but I was always curious what was inside. I recall I the bike was supplied with a manual for the hub with an exploded drawing and parts list.
Probably what they called a muscle bike here.
I just picked up an old 3 speed Premier ladies bike that I’m going to refurbish for my daughter. This video will be a big help when I get to that hub.
Great work with the video!
Great Vid.....now to find that tool
RJ The Bike Guy more like 'Dr'. RJ The Bike Guy wow whew Doctor RJ that was intense surgery . I'v watched many of your videos have learned so much from you.But wow... All Hail RJ The Bike Guy
Superb job
As many have said before. You are a life safer.
I took mine apart wrong the first time. Long story short. I really hope that key is inside the hub.
Great video - saved me a TON of head scratching! I owe you a beer or two!!
people should be sending RJ beer all the time!
Very similar mechanism to the good old Sturmey Archer AW but much more fiddly. Thanks for posting
+Henry Byrd Shimano had to reengineer the thing to avoid violating Sturmey Archer's patents. The Shimano version isn't as good and as more prone to breaking. They improved in later models. The Sturmey Archer AW model is a solid model and last longer than you and I.
+RJ The Bike Guy: I have serviced many Sturmey Archer hubs but never a Shimano. By sheer coincidence I got one for £1.50 at a Car boot sale in the UK this morning. Your clip will be invaluable when I take it apart. I have one problem already. I do not have the Shimano tool to remove the ball ring. I am an "old school" guy and avoid "special" tools whenever possible so I will have to work out an alternative method to separate it from the hub casing. The hub is not in a wheel which will make it more difficult.
Great vid .... thanx
Thanks for this video. Very helpful. I took mine apart carefully but the two keys fell out before I could see where they were from. So28:28 was very helpful. All gears working fine now it seem to slip a bit on paddling under pressure.
Maybe too much grease on the pawls and they are sticking.
@@RJTheBikeGuy Maybe thats what it was, just taken it aprt again (3rd time) and freed everything up, seems ok, thanks for your help
Just bought a new shimano 3 speed IGH from priority.Didnt know Shimano made the IGH in the seventies !
You threw me off at the end there with the oil change :)
a question how much to put chain lubricant on the cap of the speed hub. and it is a liquid lubricant, it can also be used as a spray. excellent video
Brother, you are a savior. Thank you very much. I have a question, if you can answer, my pawl springs "B", (part 300028) are demolished, where can I find this little things (4 of them) or do you have an idea how to resolve this? I can not find this part anywhere. Thank you in advance, God bless you.
bu bilgiler için teşekkür ederim thang you.
Amazing that 8 small springs are critical for the gears to work.
RJ very nice video, I am wondering if there is any make shift tool I could use in place of the Shimano TL-3S20? I am going to try a punch and hammer, but I want to know how to unscrew that part without the speciality tool.
Where can you buy that shimano volume increase tool or rtl3s 2018, what would be the specification to buy it by amazon.thanks
This is great! I have an old 3 speed like this. Can you use Phil's oil?
Yes.
Great video👍 very detailed and clear. I was wondering if you have the video on how to remove the hub without the ball cup tool?
Sorry, I don't.
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It is very hard to find the tool. May you'll find a way, just like the cotter pin removal tool you made.
HI RJ, Anything on a (Vintage) SHIMANO 3SC Adult trike 3-speed coaster brake hub service?
Could you do a video of overhauling / basic maintenance a modern 7-speed shimano nexus?
I haven't had a bike with one yet.
Very thorough explanation and instruction. I've got a SG 3530 3 spd on a 1968 Schwinn. Looks about the same externally, except mine shifts on the other side and there's no place to add oil in the hub. Wonder how close it is internally. Mine now only shifts between hi and lo, (no neutral). Got any suggestions?
Then it's not the same. Find instructions for yours.
I've been searching. So far I haven't found any instruction. Now I'm wondering if I can convert it without major modification. ie: What might interchange with it?
Hi thanks for video. So one question..What happens my hub doesn't have a lubrication port on the outside?
well done
Thank you RJ. Very helpful. I'm looking for a Shimano TL3S20 ball cup removal tool like the one in the video. Would you be able to recommend a place that might have one? Thanks.
I got it on ebay.
Thank you
I'm looking for the spring pin on a nexus 3 speed hub. Do you have a source for parts like that or is it complete hubs only? Thanks
Do you still have your TSL 320 Ball Cup Removal Tool, watched your video very informative, I am taking mine apart and got as far as needing that tool. Thank you very much, have a great day.
Yes I do! I don't loan or sell tools though. Keep an eye on ebay.
Do you have a video on how to mount vintage Nexus 3 speed cruiser rear wheel back on the bike frame?
Sorry, no.
The one I disassembled had the sprocket with the concave side facing out. Should I reassemble with the convex side facing out?
Did you add the star washers at the end? My bike didn't have those. Thanks for the helpful video!
No, they were there.
Genio total
Just got mine shifting...Great info, can the oil you put in the shell reach the outer bearings?
+Mark Elford Probably some.
+RJ The Bike Guy Thanks, its spins really easy so im gonna hope the oil gets in there.
o_o oh wow ! this is what I get to look forward to doing :-/ I have a 3-speed 20 inch rim on my Banana seater bike... XD so, where can I find that special star looking tool ? apparently I need to add that to my tool box now lol. THANK... and AWESOME VIDEO ! (2 thumbs up)
Ebay.
Maybe.
Hello dear RJ!
What kind of lubricant do you use?
I have schwinn collegiate 3 speed bike whith hub gear like on video. I want lube hub gear.
Can you tell me, what kind of lubricant you use.
I have a shimano 3 speed hub but it's for a worksman trike. Is there a way I could substitute parts?
Hi RJ,does the middle gear has the 4 pawls?plsease answer
Could you tell me where to get the special tool in your video
Hi.sir
Is internal hub is smooth ride than cassette ? Thanks
Is difficult wowza hmm I'm just going spray of wd40 hehe 🤭✨💖🌟 thanks! Was amazin✨
Hi RJ, Im Mike in Singapore Im servicing a Vintage Shimano 3 Internal Hub but one of the small KEYS are missing. Where can I get this ? Please Help!
Is that wheel laced 4-cross? You don't see that very often. Those spokes are on some crazy angles.
Not sure. Maybe. I have seen them on some older bikes. I don't have that bike anymore.
Hi RJ. You mention above that you were planning on doing a video to show how the rebuild could be done without the Shimano special tool. If you did that, can you tell us where the video is or what it is called? If not, can you give a short description of what one might do to overhaul the transmission without the tool. Thanks in advance.
I never made it. I read the details of how to do it someplace, but I don't remember.
@@RJTheBikeGuy I've used steel filled epoxy for bedding several target rifles. It can take a pounding and it also works for making special service tools. If there's any interest I'll do a video showing how.
Hello sir can you do tot for shimano sg-3r43 3speed.
i want to know the details of the way how the bicycle shifts. please let me know. especially, where is the clutch mechanism?
This looks really hard. I just bought a new bike with this hub. I ride about 2,000 miles per year. How many years do I have before having to overhaul it? Also I don't ride in the rain or snow.
Hi RJ, I am rejuvenating a 70's era Kuwahara Apollo bike that's in pretty good shape. It has this model 3spd hub. I will have to replace the shifting cable but it looks pretty specialized with the lugs on both ends and a precise length. Do you have any suggestions on building a DIY replacement cable? Can a regular cable work, and have you ever tried to put a lug on the end of the cable so it will not pull out (in this case, the adjustment barrel at the lower end)?
They sell replacement cables for three speed setups. You can't easily just use a regular cable.
just picked up an old Jaguar with 3 speed 333 Shimano. The push rod appears to be stuck. It won't push in and I can't remove it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
The 2 slot keys in my hub are the same length, I was given the hub so I don/'t know when the last time was it shifted correctly. It appears to be the same model as the one in the video but can't be sure as I can't find any ID marks. Should I grind one of the keys shorter or is there a model out there that uses 2 identical keys? I know earlier Shimano hubs used a single t shaped key.
good job RJ ! I'LL ve just bought a Raleigh with a Shimano 3 speed . It is two years old and in very good shape. When do you think It will need this service ? Although is an urban bike, I ride dusty roads quite often. Thanks a lot !!!
I need the Washer with the " Ear " for the drive side. I got this old bike and mine was missing. Do you have a parts number for that washer please? Thank you.
+Michael “Moses” Hammer You will have to do the research. You might be able to find some parts on ebay...maybe...
Good day
To see if you can help me, what is it called and where can I buy the tool you use at minute 5:09?
By the way, very good video 👌
Hi Rj I noticed in the description you said you were planning on making a video on overhauling this hub without a special tool. Is that still something you are thinking of doing? It would be such a life saver for me. Hope to hear back from you. Thanks
Sorry, I haven't done it. Maybe some time.
@@RJTheBikeGuy I look forward to it
@@RJTheBikeGuy
Please do, the tool is so rare, I can't even find it on Ebay.
i have a 3 spd with interal brake, cant get it back together. do you have one to show?
Only for a Sturmey Archer hub: czcams.com/video/e2YDcLF_CNI/video.html
Hey RJ where can i get myself a ball cup removal tool? im having difficulty finding one online. thanks in advance
Not sure. They show up on ebay occasionally. They were more available on ebay when I made the video.
Would Tri-Flow work as a lubricant sub to what you are using?
No.
i have a 3 speed adult husky tricycle and the reference number on the hub SG-3C41 nexus inter 3
the problem is that the 3rd speed does not work
would i need to buy the entire hub kit?
hub drive? shifter/crank?
That is a completely different hub. I have not worked on that one.
Hello where can i get those ratchets
Hey RJ im having abit of trouble with my push rod. it isnt engaging like it should, jn fact it hardly even goes in. i took apart the hub and followed your instructions but once i fitted the wheel back on put the push rod in it just stops and doesnt have the spring feeling like it normally should. what could this problem be? hope to hear back from you soon. thanks
Sorry, I can't really tell you, not having worked on it. And it's not a "push" rod. It pulls. It could be the thing is just worn out. Maybe weak spring. These were not super solid hubs.
@@RJTheBikeGuy ok thanks for getting back to me.
how can i get this tool from 5:15
Why not use a light grease to lubricate the parts?
Hello RJ The Bike Guy ! I am working on a bike with the same hub and have been having shifting problems. It is a bike from the 60's maybe even the 50's but the workings on this hub are identical to your video. When I followed your video, at 18:20 , you remove a bearing race. My race had a deformation on one of the tabs that separate the ball bearings. Hoping to maybe find one at our custom bike shop, the older tech there said "ya that race is damaged, we don't even see these hubs anymore". He took a screwdriver and pried it out and then gave me the same size ball bearings ( new ) to put back in. He said "just pack it with grease to keep the balls in". I figured he knew what he was talking about so I did just that. Should I continue re-assembling the hub or is this going to damage something else ? If it is a bad idea do you have any idea as to where I might be able to buy this bearing ? Secondly, when we were kids way back riding these bikes I was pretty sure that you had to pedal backwards to shift gears. Or was that a bad idea/ misconception back then ? Thanks for any help you can give to this novice. An EXCELLENT video by the way !
Nah. you can replace the bearings in a cage. I prefer to replace the whole caged bearing.
There are some kickback hubs that backpedal to shift. Not all of them are like that. Not this one.
How are you, I greet you with pleasure, my question is, where can I find the extractor to get the complete hub, I hope you can help me.
Ebay maybe.
I didn’t find one but turns out that a simple square section or something like that do the trick ! I also try to 3D print one but the plastic wasn’t strong enough
I have shimano nexus inter 3, its very different from this. I have similar video in my channel about it.
How do you tell the difference between a 333 and a 3S? Do they use similar parts?
The models are on the hub shell. Not sure.
If I find this usefull? Brother, those two slidding keys the small and the large one were driving me crazy, did not know where they'd go, and your video saved the day. Now how do I remove the ball cup without the tool? That tool is a relic, nowhere to be found. How can I remove the cup?
If you look on the outer edge of the ball cup you will see 2 notches. Just tap them with a hammer and a blunt chisel. I tried it and it worked just fine.
@larrybrightwell4988 Brother, you are a savior. Thank you very much. I have a question, if you can answer, my pawl springs "B", (part 300028) are demolished, where can I find this little things (4 of them) or do you have an idea how to resolve this? I can not find this part anywhere. Thank you in advance, God bless you.
Why is the push rod so bendy and crooked in my Shimno Nexus 3 compared to this old model. Hope it's supposed to be that way...