2027 Chinese Carrier Group vs 2027 Russian Carrier Group (Naval Battle 136) | DCS
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- In the fifth of our 2027 Carrier Battle series, the Russians take on the Chinese. Russia will use Mig-29KR jets with Zircon hypersonic, P-800 Oniks supersonic, Kaliber, KH-35U, R-77M, and R-74 missiles. China will use J-35 5th gen and J-15 jets with YJ-21, YJ-18, YJ-12, PL-15 and PL-10 missiles.
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7:16 Battle!
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I would love to see the Rapid Dragon system in game from the C17's and such used in a battle. I don't know how hard it would be for CH to bring it in.
@@t.r.4496 in some of the other videos like the attacks on the black sea fleets they have it. They did a work around where the missiles spawned in under the C-17s to work around the lack of animations.
@@XrandomnessXnot sure what you're talking about but they absolutely do have the animation of the rapid Dragon system and they have used it in various simulations of a Taiwan attack
@@XrandomnessXand even in the Black Sea simulation, pretty sure they use the animation also. But I know for a fact they did it on the Taiwan series
@@Wyomingchief I just re-watched the Taiwan C-130 video and good call, I somehow missed that one and it's nice to see the pallet drop, although the pallet drop just turns into the missiles spawning rather than seeing the individual missiles pop out of them.
Either way that's a pretty good work around for a all the non core game assets. With how good ZHs mods are and the continuing improvements to DCS I wouldn't be surprised if we see a verbatim animation in the near future... And the accompanying negative comments from Russian and CCP bots lmao.
Rapid Dragon Series:
Rapid Dragon & MALD vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: czcams.com/video/sHTGKG1cYec/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs IJN WWII Carrier Group: czcams.com/video/QXONs2voDjE/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: czcams.com/video/rvUTl6xjxqY/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Omaha Beach Defenses: czcams.com/video/k4T1WWtVyYk/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Chinese Invasion Fleet: czcams.com/video/MQ1wrspnL7A/video.html
This channel just popped into my recommended last night, and I just cannot stop watching these videos. Imagine how excited I was to see a new one just pop up! These are incredible, and I'm probably gonna spend the whole holiday weekend going through the entire backlog.
Just so you know, the videos by the Grim Reapers are split between this channel and The Grim Reapers 2 channel.
So there's even more chaos to watch. 😆👍
You can't go wrong. Cap and the boys always put on a great show. Welcome to the GR party!
plenty to watch !! ✊
I started like a year ago and still not completely caught up lol, good luck
Welcome
You forgot to include the tug for the russian carrier. I really wanted to see that. REALLY.
Real
wow, this joke is so fresh
🤨 you sort of beat me to this!
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t cope
@@user-qn3xu5ee3tif it’s true it’s true
Cap and the GR Beautiful Humans thank you for listening to your valued viewers. I saw a comment that requested seeing a China v Russia carrier group and yall delivered. Many thanks and you truly make me feel like a valued viewer!
I read all of your comments but I can only action some of them as I only have so much time obviously.
39:22 unluckiest J15 trying to take off haha.
oof
I think Cap must have been a sports color commentator in another life. I’m half expecting him to scream “goal!” when a missile hits one of the large ships.
Thank you for all the effort in setting this up and narrating it for us. It was wonderful!!!
Fun battle Cap! Thank you!
Very interesting! Love the series!
Wow, that was unexpected! Nice one, Cap.
For all those who say "but in real life..", just take a moment to think about the Black Sea Fleet and its skirmish with 'real life'.
Wym black sea fleet isn't bad
@@AmirShafeek Over 30% of the fleet has been sunk or disabled, with the surviving ships being moved away from the FEBA.
@@superflyguy4488 i like this way to number speculation, when u already have nothing to lose cuz ur fleet already dead and now all what u can do it spaming drones and tell everyone how bad black sea fleet
@@InkTattooHyena Don't do drugs
Same thing could happen to the entire Chinese Naval fleet, if they want to fight vs the NATO xD
very good Capt!
Oh man amazing work.
40 mins of GR goodness
Totally agree with your "no dog in the fight" comment, Cap. It's nice to just sit back and watch haha.
Happy 4th to GR and everyone!✌
Fun battle!
MAXIMUM Boom Boom - Loved it Cap!!
apparently theres rumors of a new J31 variant called the J31B that is larger and carries 4x PL10s in ventral weapons bays on top of the 4x PL15s in the main weapons bay. This would be a massive increase in firepower if true.
MiG-29K carries 8 missiles, not 6. Maybe there's a way to change the amount of sticks to the IRL number
Aircraft almost never take off fully loaded. It's bad for fuel and range.
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t this is a limitation for mig 29 model it was mentioned few times before
@@Andy090216 I see. And what about MiG-29K model from the game files?
@@user-qn3xu5ee3tdont think so DCS has 29k in core game, just the old 9-13? might be an AI asset or something leftover being unused.
That was a nail biter!! I freaking love the huge carrier strike group battles. So much activity on a variety of different levels, it's nonstop action. I have to say, this was a surprise to me, I thought the Chinese had this one in the bank, but this outcome goes to show that anything can happen in a battle on such a scale with so many infinite variables that affect the outcome!! Damn fine mission as always Super Cap!! I'm not gonna lie, I have been reading way more about proposed UK naval doctrine after watching the UK fleet perform so well in the past missions, and I really think that you guys are onto something with the planned strategy!! It's all about swarms in the future of warfare for anyone who has paid even moderate attention to recent wars and conflicts around the world. The future is lower cost but still effective munitions and drones that can be deployed in such quantities that they can deplete and overwhelm any current modern air defense system, and I think the UK are working on exactly that with a carrier strike group in mind. If they can muster a stouter air defense capacity on their ships with more capacity for all varieties of their protective SAMs alongside the offensive strategy, I think they could go toe to toe with any fleet in DCS.
Excellent! I was going to suggest this matchup. Next how about China versus a coalition fleet with a smattering of vessels from around the world? Perhaps two small carriers UK & France?
China and Russia vs a coalition of ships. What's the point of facing the Chinese with an unwinnable battle.
@@AmirShafeek Yeah. Especially if they can't have more 055s.
about two days ago the Shenyang aircraft corporation released a promo video showing a J-31B naval fighter with side weapon bays that each house 2 IR short range missiles. I can't say if it's gonna happen but the J-31B is gonna have around 8 missiles.
Roger, will probably wait until 2030 series to add that.
@@grimreapers Seems about fine
Everyone is a winner here.
Out of all the carrier match-ups i've seen and requested so far (3v3, old v new), I would love to see you guys somehow get the Russian Shtrom Carrier to challenge the other future groups
Shtrom would be 2035-2040 at the earliest and we don’t know enough about other future weapons for that far in the future to make a full war game, hell Shtrom doesn’t even have a nailed down design yet.
It will never see service, no point
@@mattseller148 I know, just a ask for the future
@@tomsoki5738 I know, just would be interesting to see it of what they "say" it could accomplish
Russia might possibly have few operational Project 22350Ms by 2029 possibly even Project 23560, with the latter being bit unlikely though...
It's easy to see how dangerous that first wave of YJ-21 would be with 6 X Renhai Class Destroyers. Preview of future naval battle in the Sea of Okhotsk for control of Vladivostok. 😉
Russia, as the blue team, was something I wasn't expecting today
I really want to see more falklands war content, your videos are awesome, and I’m addicted to them, from the yanks.
Personally, I don't see the appeal of having Cap do more videos based on the Falklands war. That's a stale and already over saturated topic. Obsolete Exocet missiles and boring, obsolete Harriers. Yuck!
Got a few more coming BUT they don't make many views so can't $afford to do too many.
this wargame just shows the limitation of DCS AI pretty well. they do lots of weird things like J35s giving up air superiority and circling around the enemy missile without shooting it.
Yeh it's frustrating for me.
doesnt russia use kamov helis for aew?
The Chiare getting their act together. By 2029 they will be quite formidable, at least regionally.
Yeah u mentioned the cost seems like bupkus for all missles launched.
Hi Cap, you might already know and just are limited, but the calibre ssn22 sizzler is only supersonic in the terminal phase. Till then, it is slow and vulnerable. I'd argue that makes a difference. Love the work as always. Thx cap
GR you are wonderful! I'd also like to point you all in the direction of a recently published UK Defence Journal article ;) Go and see for yourselves!
with all the pics coming in of SM-6s on operational hornets you're going to have to mess around more with that combo.
edit: and how about some mirror matches, how do the various fleets defences handle their own offence?
Chinese Carrier Group with 6x Type 055
Vs
USCG + British Carrier Group
Ps.,
If these battles are taking place in 2027-2029, wouldn't the USCGs have HALO missiles? Correct me if I'm wrong. There is also the UCAV/UAV independent/wingman aircraft, (Ex., X-47B) although we dont really know a timeframe till when those will enter service/be battlefield effective. It might be anywhere from 2027 to 2035 (F/A-XX is ~2035 I believe) and/or beyond.
Also, if were using the best possible loadouts for each Carrier Group, wouldnt the US have their ship launched LRASMs instead of the Block V TLAMs? I know the TLAMs have more range, but the engagement is occuring at a 220 mile distance, so LRASM would make more sense (atleast in my opinion). There is also the EA-18G, but I understand if it is not possible/too difficult to incorporate that into DCS.
Also, since it's 2027-29, wouldnt the USCGs have their HELCAP 300 kw+ lasers from the HELSI program on each destroyer (correct me if I'm mistaken), not to mention the already existing ODIN and HELIOS?
Thanks, from a viewer
I'll debrief it for you Cap.
Utter chaos.
The Russian main AWACs is the An-50. They were developing the Yak-44E for naval use, but it was scrapped when the Soviet Union collapsed.
You should include the refitted Kirov Class battlecruiser in these videos, escorting the Kuznesov. 80 AshM's and a load of AA missiles.
Improved SU 33 is likely to be an addition on Russian carrier after its refit is completed
Two type 055 is reasonable considering they only have 8 total ... figure one in port being refit, one for training, leaves them 6 ... so I think the most you would see as of now would be 3 max.
Another batch of 8 are being built, 2 are already launched. so by 2027 probably 16 will exist.
The Chinese are no longer using radar absorbing matting in their naval stealth aircraft.
They'll be relying only on a radar absorbing paint/coating.
Basically, they will be a lot less stealthy than F-35s.
as for 6x Type 055s being OP. Maybe you could swap out the YJ21s with more YJ18s and see how that goes.
I expect as soon as the Chinese destroyer got hit, the others decided they were vulnerable and started maneuvering to avoid the next barrage of ASMs.
21:29 Looks like the PL-15 just beat it.
Well spotted.
The programing should fire the missiles in such way that they arrive at the maximum SAM range at more or less the same time.
This was good. But how about something realistic, such as combined carrier groups, carriers with ARGs, and multinational (NATO, AUKUS+)?
Hey cap, hoping to see some Japanese action, theyve got a lot of new things planned for the year 2027, especially after their military investment a few years ago set for 2027. Hoping to see some new Japanese ships and weapons!!
41:40 Seeing some of the videos I have of the chinese navy, I think this may be realistic.
Don't listen to the haters, Cap! I can't remember if you said there were any or not, but forget about 'em! I'm incredibly thankful for the opportunity to enjoy your content. To be entertained; sure, of course. But I've learned so much about military and civil aviation from you guys. Doctrines, histories, tactics, even helping to better understand some geopolitical moves we see in the world today.
Cap, you guys are completely indispensable, irreplaceable, and might I add a little charming in there as well?
Whoops... already did.
Had a worked MX6 turbo with ~ 250hp, ran a 13.2 ... Lined up with a HSV R8 with W507 kit on it. It was winning but by 0.3 seconds, with 3x the horse. People chasing HP are silly.
Why is this comment posted under a video that features a battle between 2 carrier groups? 😠
31:35 The RU carrier isn't dead, that's just how it normally rolls.
Imagine what it’s gonna be like when the Russians get the upgraded fits out that have twice as many attack missiles. Or if they can manage to get both those and the battle cruiser operational.
I understand the complaint of not using 6 Type 055 for China but, they only have 8 as far as I know. I don’t see them using 75% of them in one strike group.
Thx Cap, sent Pizzas your location...
thx
That fake Cyrillic on the Admiral Gorshkov display really hurts my eyes, and my heart, lol.
naval fighters are always good , this one was too but so strange , a chinese carrier group that strong should have done better.
to anyone complaining about the 055s, China only has 8 ships. They only plan to build 8 more. putting 75% of their fleet of super-boats in one place, while at theoretical war with a peer power, is a fantastically dumb way to ask to get nuked. There's a reason US CSGs didn't sail around with five Ticos.
16 Type 055 is incredibly dangerous to US CVs
Do this: Naval and Air
Taiwan+Japan+S.Korea+Philippines+Some US Naval Support VS China+N.Korea
@@dinosutra you forgot Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, and India!
@@dinosutra plus Pakistan would be with China and North Korea ;)
@@dinosutra Pakistan, North Korea, and China ;)
@@Anarchy_420 add russia becose why not
@@nikolaideianov5092 if you add Russia then you'd have to add U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland to the other side!
It's called MAD. Mutual assured destruction!
you said you didnt know what russia uses as AEW, im pretty sure they actually use helicopters, obviously much much less capable with less altitude and only like 2 controllers for the whole carrier group
Have to done a Nimitz Carrier group vs at latest US carrier group? F-14's and F-18 Hornets vs F-35's and F-18 Super Hornets
Never mind, looked at your older videos and found it. Good stuff.
lol roger
the battle is simply coded bad, all ai just work so weird in this video
@@Zero-jh2ly The J-35s were following the missiles like ducklings lol
Yeh it was a weird one.
Fantastic game, perhaps Russian carrier needs real life magic smoke screen.
The missiles per ton are about equal for Burke vs 055. Why do you not go for equal tonnage?
If you are having fun, we are having fun!
How ya doin' Cap?
you have article in Uk defence journal on the 2027 Uk vs Russia
in war, everyone wins :)
I think the Zircon is supposed to be up to mach 9 with an impact at m4.5-m5 (at certain points the air just gets too dense to go faster). Although if it is possible (not sure), the missile should be flying mach 4-5 range, but at a medium-altitude flat trajectory. This would actually give a smaller reaction time, because an enemy ship would only see the missile at ~100nm and give it much less time to react.
Unfortunately, the Zircon suffers from success in DCS, because all of it's best attributes cannot be properly modeled and without them it just isn't that good. It cannot fly higher than enemy air defense can reach and come directly down (some sources have it >80 degrees angle to target), it cannot fly variably in hypersonic mode and move to a mach3-4 low-observable mode, and it can't really maneuver in a trajectory to "dodge" enemy missiles. All things claimed by various sources to varying reliability.
So why not a video, if you haven’t already, about what would it take to defend against 6 055s from China?
My only problem with that is that the Chinese YJ-21 is most likely over-modelled in DCS as compared to real life, so I don't want to draw too much attention to it TBH.
@@grimreapers
I don't think it's over-modelled, I think missile strikes are gonna be the thing in the next big naval war.
Aircraft got converted to missile carriers themselves. What is the point of launching tiny missiles from an aircraft instead of bigger missiles from a ship?
You need even more space and $ to launch and operate aircraft to begin with. Convert the huge carriers to missile carriers with range longer than the effective aircraft range.
The only real utility the carrier provides is the AWACS. Even that can become some kind of vtol drone and you can have multiple to cover the same area.
Another thing to consider is that all of these overwhelmingly expensive missiles can and will be equipped with nukes. So, a single missile can take out one ship and disable every other ship around it.
Idk why. but I keep thinking ONIKS is "ZOINKS". I'll no doubt add something post video in an edit but that's all for now
I read "OINKS" on first glance and can not get it out of my brain now! 🐷🐖
@@Doodelz02 oh my god
@chrisk_nfl4120 yup, I'm thinkin' they need to re-skin the missles now. Ms.
Piggy would make them rather distinct!
No one has finished this video yet😮😮
I skipped to the end ;)
@@Anarchy_420 😨😨😨😨 you monster
@@lucasharden4595 😈 lmao jk I always watch through n through😆✌
SAM system is so over modelled in DCS. When HHQ-9 and navalized S-400/S-350 shoot down dozens of Zircon and YJ-21 reliably is when you know something is wrong in the simulation. At least it makes the fight last more than 5 minutes lol
I agree, the weapons on here are way too reliable.
I'm not sure what u mean Russian nor Chinese tech is to be slept on. Plenty of countries use the s-300 and s-400. And it's shown it's use during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russians are literally known for the quality and capability of their air defense systems. And all the Chinese tech That was used in this video has never seen battle so you would neither know whether it is good or bad.
@@EnglishScripterdo you have hard evidence that shows that they are too reliable do you just hate Russians and Chinese and view them as a threat.
@@AmirShafeekdon’t know if we’re watching the same war. S-400 has regularly failed to shoot down ATACMs and Storm Shadow/Scalp EG.
Russian air defense have not been having a good war.
@@kurousagi8155 we must not be watching the same war I have heard from American news agency of their air defense systems failing to shoot rockets and missiles down. But No I have not heard any reports of Russian air defense failing to intercept attacms or storm shadow on a regular basis. My either American News agencies nor Independent ones .This isn't me denying that some aren't getting through I'm positive some of them are getting through but you're making it seem as if this is happening on a daily basis and Russia can do nothing about it. They have already proved multiple times during this war is there air defense systems come upon a threat that they are struggling to shoot down they'll adjust. the same way they did with himars and it's glmrs. Russian air defense may not be doing good in your eyes but they definitely aren't doing bad.
Russia - 432 sams, 304 ashp. China 448 sams, 300 ashp. Totals
1. Curious if some of the lesser known carriers are modeled in DCS: Italy, Thailand, Japan, etc. 2. I wonder if any of these countries can afford even to WIN these battles let alone lose them . Can the6 afford to replace the missiles fired, the surcraf5 shot down, an6 dhips lost? I’m guessing in most cases not.
The UK did sink the US carrier
Redo this one with sea state 5.
How big would a US carrier group have to be if the Chinese did have the full compliment of destroyers (6)?
The winner in this: NATO
Cap, could you waypoint the anti shippers so they all fire their missiles at the same time? More effective so probably more realistic. Thx
34:03 "That which is dead may never die."
That thing is already a floating corpse. The chinese just wasted their effort.
Chance of Russia having a fully functioning aircraft carrier by 2027: 1%
Tug boat included in this one??! 😊😊😊
Include the Navy of Japan in one of the videos. Maybe VS China.
Yup it's on my TO DO list.
battle of tsushima 2
@@grimreapers great. 👍🏻
U.S. VS Russia!
Kuznetsov, MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, SU-33M's with Kinzhal! 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, 1 Slava!
Ford Carrier, F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako! 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's*, 2 Ticonderoga's!🙏👍
FYI last time he did the us the ticonderoga wasn't modeled in the game, constellation might not be either.
Mako nor constellation class exist outside of the planning phase . On top of that Our government has made it crystal clear they aren't even buying mako why use them?
Don’t forget the Zumwalts with the Hypersonic missiles.
@@andrewbogard2411 the only reason he doesn't want to use The Ticonderoga is bc it doesn't have offensive Tomahawks, both The Constellation and Ticonderoga are Modeled in DCS, and it would've taken very little effort to actually check for yourself
@@thepatriot676 ha ha very funny
Iranian boat swarm vs Japanese invasion of Pearl Harbor fleet.
Based upon the costs it was a Russian victory. Plus they severely damaged a second Chinese ship. I don’t think that was a draw.
Cap, you should just fire the rest of the GR and just make carrier battlegroup battles for the forseeable future. I kid of course, but this entire series has been fantastic, and all the more interesting and less frustrating without humans doing human things and messing up the 'science' by going after the win. Best decision you ever made was to keep them out of these types of battles and let them do the ones they do best.
Cap, any plans to do battles with an Indian or French CSG, or maybe a joint European/Japan LHD group?
Rematch! We want Rematch!
Hey Cap, I reached out with some proposals via your enquiries email. I think you'll find them interesting, and I hope you consider them.
Thanks
I'm sure it's a great battle but one that I won't bother to watch. Russia doesn't have an aircraft carrier. It's as interesting as carrier group vs alien mothership, where you just imagine attributes to this unrealistic entity. Probably fun to do, just not my cup of tea. Realistic scenarios are informative and fun to watch.
Can u please just try and get the actual missile being used
Cap, you have got to do US UK vs China Russia
Next week.
@@grimreapers 😊 thanks
Well this just isn't even remotely realistic. More than half of the Russian navy is actually working.😂
I’m not sure that’s quite accurate there.
@@rebelliousfew You're right. Only about a quarter of them would work properly, the rest would be moved by tug boats.
Give proof or you just another MSM troll.
@@Dragonman1OOO Why do I need to give evidence if I'm making a joking comment you know I could never prove?
@@zachscarbrough2727 Then it's simple. Don't spread bullshit that you can't prove. 😊
what russian carrier group? last I checked the one carrier they have is rusting in a dry dock with no refit in sight
US and UK vs China and Russia CSG? PLEAAASEEE!!!!
You forgot russias biggest defence! It's tug boats!