3:17 What in the actual Hell!!! Steve Rogers is Nomad!!! Guys, you've got to research a bit about your content. I'm sorry to say this, but your channel is losing its charm due to wild, whacky fan-theories and lack of content research. I've been a CBR reader and viewer for almost 6 years and even then I'm seeing such a beloved channel slowly go down due to such petty stuff. Please become the channel that was once loved a lot by its fans and critics alike.
Black Panther only scratched the tip of the ice burg in the MCU. R.I.P. Chadwick Boseman, wish that dude could’ve taken the next step in giving us a more in depth look into Wakanda.
I’m skeptical of this because when Captain was given the serum, his body needed to be bombarded with vita rays in order for the serum to take effect. When you take the heart shaped herb, you don’t need vita rays at all.
Not only that, Steve never had a near death experience that would have let him see his dead mother, as T'Challa and Kilmonger did with their fathers. Also, the super soldier serum is blue, where as the heart-shaped herb is purple.
I think it be reasonable to assume that role vibrating would have some type of mild radioactive properties given that just the presence of the vibrating amount of Wakanda gave the herb the ability to enhance a regular person strength agility
Killmonger is part of the royal family in the MCU. He’s father N’jodu was T’chaka’s brother and N’dajada (killmonger) was descended from his father and his uncle
@@brightoffice6300 you kidding me? Cap is way stronger than panther he was always stronger and now he has the mjolnir which makes him more strong he could punch thanos and damage him black panther couldn’t even go near him
Captain America and T’Challa could have common bond through their blood. Steve Roger’s Super Soldier Serum was an American experiment and T’Challa’s Black Panther strength stemmed from a traditional Wakandan ceremony, both men may have Vibranium running through their veins. As such, it seems only fitting that the best representatives of each country be empowered by a rare metal reserved only for the very best.
personal think cap connection thor and frost Gants blue blood frost giant is same stuff in blue formula . it explain how survive be frozen make loki his blood brother. but you could have point. if cap was actually one war dog kids like kill monger. the super solder formula could activated the panther powers in Steve. this important as flower normal did it is currently gone but if make super solder formula witch hydra 100 people been try. the wankandes reactivate panther powers in any persion with winkanded heritage. do say stretch Steve does not tattoo on lip secret birth certificate. that said is weird 100 people dr. only chose Steve make wonder if something in blood make formula work more that only good persion 100 people seems little wrong. this also rob him pick up hammer feat. as shows Steve hero with out formula. were had something in blood already before experiment.
I thought there was a connection between the two. I mean, really the only person outside of wakanda with access to vibranium is the only person with a perfect super soldier serum?
@@samarjit_1246 what he has is cheapened adamantium around his skeleton while captain america's shield is a combination of adamantium, vibranium and few More unknown things.
I've alway considered black panther and captain America on par with each other, their both enhanced humans with enhanced physical abilities(the same enhanced abilities).
BP is alot faster, stronger, agile and super sences than CA plus the shaped herb has been around longer than the serum itself. When you come to think about it the Serum is based on the shaped herb instead.
@@marjen6460 I mean it's never been confirmed that black panther is "alot" stronger and faster because even in infinity war and end game they both were like neck and neck when they were running full speed into the opposing army. and we've never seen black panther really display his strength like we did captain America( i.e when captain America kept the helicopter from taking off in the winter soldier movie) but either way I'm still more of a fan of black panther
@@firelord_ozai If you watch Civil War where BP moves WS bionic arm with ease and thats not the stairways compared to CA was holding WS bionic arm in front of the lift and still got pushed through plus while BP was the only one running in the tunnel CA couldnt catch up so he hitched a ride.. even in the comics CA can not beat BP in a fight. To be fair i love all marvel characters in MCU but they dont always follow from the comics.
THIS, is an outstanding theory! I doubt the MCU will back any of it up, but as a Marvel fan myself & now more so w/my two boys the last 12yrs, I appreciate the chronological breakdown of "how the Cap Powers" originated & changed hands thru the various experiments & attempts at duplicating Erskine's genius.
Since Captain America was holding mjolnir, Thor also said that whoever lifts up and wields the hammer rules all of Asgard. Maybe with the help from the sorcerer supreme he could teleport to Asgard. Cap may even have a spell on Asgard from the sorcerer supreme. Get a space ship(like in Thor Ragnarok) and fly to the other planets from Asgard.
One thing everyone gets wrong including Bruce banner is that the OG serum didn't required the Vita rays on a normal human. They were used in Steve to increase his physiology to peak level, and the serum enhanced that to further superhuman level. The effects of SSS cannot be reversed unlike the heart shaped herb. That's the biggest disadvantage, maybe Erskine removed this disadvantage and created a perfect SSS.
It’s funny watching this after Episode 2 of Falcon and Winter Soldier. It’s like Marvel said, “Oh you think we’ve used the super serum to it’s furthest extent? Hold my beer.”
Ironically it was confirmed in WandaVision that Vibranium emits a traceable radioactive decay. Also, I’ve long believed that the lack of the vita-ray exposure is the route of the numerous failures. The best superhuman result was Banner because he believed gamma exposure in conjunction with the serum is the key.
Moon theories aside, has MCU setup any possible way for Capt. America to return as young Cap. The answer is yes, in the same movie we see old Cap. When Smart Hulk attempts time travel he changes Scott Lang’s age by, as Tony Stark puts it, pushed time thru Lang instead of pushing Lang thru time. So he creates the a device to fix this. All you need to do is push time thru old Cap to turn him young again. Am I saying this will happen? No, I’m saying they gave us the solution at the same time as introducing old Cap. MCU is often inspired by the comics naturally. Was there an old Cap in Comics? Yes Did he return to being young again? Yes Why? Because when he became old Cap, he faked his own death and operated behind the scenes, often with helping Fury. What made him return? The Red Skull returning as well as Hydra working with AIM. Is there anything to indicate Red Skull is returning, in the MCU. Yes actually, why else reintroduce him on Vormir? Not only that but we were just introduced to a group called the flagsmashers with red hands on there mask. They believe is there should be no flags, only a one world order. You know else believes this and it was setup in Caps first movie all the way back in phase 1. Red Skull... ‘I’ve seen the future Captain, there are no Flags!’ So.....they are Red Skulls Red Hands. I think, maybe Falcons knows maybe he doesn’t, these rumors of Cap being on the moon, (Or maybe with Fury on Swords space observatory.) will end up being accurate. Chris Evans is on the record as saying he would love to return as Captain America but wants to do a Hydra Captain America storyline. Which also is setup in End Game, when Loki escaped with the tesseract; it created an alternative time. One in which, 1 Hydra now believes that timelines Capt America is Hydra. (Because our Cap whispered in their ear, Hail Hydra.) 2 Cap in that timeline is now aware Bucky is alive years earlier than he is supposed to. Which would lead him to Hydra much earlier than the events in Winter Solider. 3 Cap uses the mind stone in Loki scepter ‘who turns out your mind and puts something else in’ as Hawkeye puts it, on the Cap from that timeline. Who knows what was ‘put in’ by the mind stone; certainly it would have effected his mind though. Point is....Cap will be back, because they are setting up Red Skulls return. And all the piece for that storyline are already in place. (As of right now Loki’s taking the tesseract is the only alternative timeline created past the point he takes it in the timeline in NY 2012. And remember, the Ancient One said that it’s by removing an infinity stone that new timelines are created, not by going back in time. Which is why old Cap was in the main MCU timeline, he returned all the stones. Going back to Peggy does not create a new timeline. And any time line change doesn’t occur until NY 2012. I’m guessing that timeline gets resolved by Loki and the Time Police chasing him in the show, probably to make he return the stone to when he took it, thus resolving that; though we’ve not seen it yet.) Here is the kicker, Cap went back to return all the stones at the same time they were taken to protect the timelines and prevent alternative timelines. Don’t you think he ran into Red Skull on Vormir? Unless he killed him, which he didn’t; when he eventually goes back to marry Peggy; he has had along time to think about Red Skull and realize that right after End Game (when Thanos destroys the stones) events, Red Skull will be free to leave Vormir because the stones have been destroyed in our timeline. So when that time returns, and he is super old; he comes up with a plan to hand the shield over, fake his own death, (go hide in space with fury) knowing he can turn back time and make himself young again at the right time....why? Because he knows when Red Skull is returning, has had 70 years to prepare; and plans on removing himself hoping to draw him out into the open (He’d be more bold if he knew Cap is gone). Red Skull is a mastermind, he plays puppet master and works thru others often. I don’t think we will see Red Skull revealed in the 6 episodes of Falcon Winter Solider. But this is what’s being setup....
In Falcon and the Winter Soldier they actually perfected it. It was the exact serum that Erskein ( not sure how to spell it) created because it was created from Isaiah Bradley’s blood.
I always felt that that blue herb of wakanda was a main ingredient of Erskine formula. I also think the vibranium that landed in wakanda so long ago was from the forge that made thors weapons
Duh ! The black panther is a mantle passed down to wakanden kings and queens ! One of the black panthers before the one we know let the super soldier serum project have the vibranium needed to make caps shield ! Edit : oops 😬 I commented this before I watched the video still a great theory !
I've been thinking this since BP came out, when my parents tried shooting it down by saying that tchalla and kill monger didn't grow in size I countered with the fact that banner had the closest replica, only missing the herb, because CA was dosed with gamma during the process as well, so when stark went and got some vibranium from Wakanda he also received some of the herb which was used by the guy who made the serum to perfect it, because I honestly think that red skull took a slightly less perfected form of it, or he didn't go through the whole process
Power stone is purple. Space Stone is Blue. The plant is purple, the power stone can destroy the wielder if they aren't resistent enough. Captain marvel got her powers from the tesseract/Space Stone. The infinity stones are intrically tied in all of it. Which is what I keep saying that even if thanos "destroyed" the stones, they are woven intricately in the universe otherwise scarlett witch would have no more power at all
As we know as MCU fans that Cap is strong but Black Panther is just a little overpowering and overwhelming for Cap they had a serious battle one on one.
The character of T’Challa should never be portrayed by anyone else. However, it’s plausible for someone else to assume the mantle of the Black Panther. Perhaps part of the story of Black Panther II should be discovering who is worthy to assume Black Panther mantle.
radioactive spiders and the green globin serum could also be derive from it. Africa may have the bulk of the metal vibranium, but traces could have landed in other parts of the world. Hence, it is possible that other plants combined with the metal or raw metal was found and used in experiments. with the metal but was scarce. maybe just enough to create a few super solider, but not an army.
I really hope the MCU doesn’t spam the serum. The comics gave it to a select few but over like 40 years of writing different series. The MCU can’t do that yet. I say keep it with US Agent, don’t let falcon take it, and then hot take: let killmonger come back to life and have Michael B Jordan take the black panther mantle👀somehow with shuri being queen of wakanda. Kill monger will take the name of the black panther, become a dark avenger, and then helping the black struggling communities in America like he said he wanted to do. Leading to characters like Miles Morales and Luke Cage being introduced. Maybe even Riri Williams somehow fitting in there
the only reason cap held him in civil war is because 1- cap wasn't his target 2-plot armor. i'm not a comic reader but after a little bit of research, black panther can defeat mcu hulk or something
Black panther ! Far more intelligent , slightly stronger , noticeably agile and has enhanced senses far better than cap , better weapons , vibranium suit , and some other worldly tech , so overall a better fighter ! Cap is slightly more skilled and has way more tactical experience than panther , also has a better heart and greater will power ❤️ obviously damn good with his shield !
@@boxingchamp630 Skilled? BP knows every Martial Art known to Man. ( Inherits all the knowledge of pass Panthers) Tactical. BP commands an Army. Will power and heart. Not to be questioned. Sacrificed himself for his people. He's King of the Dead. He's OP in the Marvel comics. He's nerfed in the MCU.
@@DoubleMM70 T'Challa began to enter from the age of six, Steve began to enter when he already had the serum and was an adult. How will Captain America have more skills?
@@Mr.Jx. Steve is more than 100 years old and possibly older than tchacka ! Fought so many wars and lead so many missions to victory ! Yup frozen for long but his previous experience is enough ! Tchalla had his first mission outside wakanda was to kill Bucky in civil war ! Hope you get the point ! Training is different from real experience ! They are neck in neck but cap has the skill advantage to negate tchalla's suit if they were given same combat mission ! Only his shield is bullet proof , so he has to be skilled enough to evade gun fures and lasers during combat , black panther has his agility advantage to cope up with cap's skill advantage so bp wins with a pretty good battle ! In comics straight away tchalla is on another tier , he is everything you said plus a good soccerer 🔥
Wakanda is in Kenya at a place known as Turukana county . Germany colonized Tanganyika or Tanzania no country crossed through each others boundaries . British colonized Kenyan. To make more sense he needed to be British to connect all the dots.
Actually I think vibranium mutated some plant to make the heart shaped herb.so now after everything is burnt by killmonger the vibranium soil might mutate some other plant to make the new heart herb because vibranium is still present in the and vibranium even might be the seed for the plant
Ok to clarify about caps shield, in the MCU it did not come from wakanda. Wakanda just had the mountain yes but there were other dropping of vibranium that landed in other parts of the world. What the US had for cap shield was about all the vibranium they had gathered over the years
Y'all are off on a few things...for one I don't believe the soil has anything to do with it. If you remember black panther was buried in snow after losing to killmonger to regan powers after almost dying. Second Killmonger is of royal blood. He is the cousin to black panther and the son of King Tchaka brother.
So would this mean Spider-Man is connected to the Heart-shaped herb? Remember in the Amazing Spiderman movie, Richard Parker working for OsCorp was working on “genetic research and Norman Osborn was tryna steal his research for a “foreign” government (possibly The winter soldier program or something.) To me this would fit the the serum+radiation theory...because didn’t Peter get bitten by a “radioactive spider” from Richard Parker experiments 🧪...ijs...I’m just adding to this theory which is an exciting way to thread the MCU together...🤷🏿♂️
The effects of SSS cannot be reversed unlike the heart shaped herb. That's the biggest disadvantage, maybe Erskine removed this disadvantage and created a perfect SSS🤯.
How do you explain the panther god bast and the spirit world phenomenon tho. I think it’s more to it then just metal it’s something spiritual as well with the heart shaped herb
make sense theory... the super serum are made from very trial&error experiments on soldiers, might be from the heart shape herb as well.. that’s why Steve Rogers are not the first “captain america” that made by a government.. for example Isaiah Bradley from Falcon&The Winter Soldier series.. and ofcourse Redskull, Bucky, Red Guardian and many more.. but Steve Rogers maybe are the first succeeded using super serum without known side effect..
Captain America is the greatest team leader but when it comes to the best well being a king of a nation and skills that come from Centuries or generations well Black panther is the better hero! Also he single handedly took on the Avengers by himself and Defeated them by himself it was in a Comic book.
So basically, most of our lovable hero's and villains were brought about in the comics due to one little serum? So what if we were able to find out how to make such a serum? We could literally have people like from the MCU in the real world! Then again we would have a lot of potential problems in this world, already have a lot to deal with a virus on a daily basis and this serum making superhumans is like 10x worst than that... imagine multiple hulks running around. BUT I wAnNa bE StRoNg lIkE tHeM so LET'S GET TO RESEARCHIN'! Edit: I want lightning-type powers, that's all I ask :)
I’ve had this kind of theory too. So technically, the super serum is a man made artificial version of the heart shaped herd. I do believe that a similar chemical or element in them. So I do have to ask what if doctor Erskin (Hope I spelled that right) possibly know about or had heard about wakanda. So there are definitely some possible connections. It’s cool to think about.
Nomad the first version was Steve Rogers, Nomad "Jack Monroe version" was the 1950's Bucky who took an untested version of the super soldier formula that william burnside (captain america of the 1950's) had poured over documentation he had found in germany(created it) and was trying to get the US govt to let him become the new captain america. This version was with out the vita ray component then made them both become paranoid and more aggressive which was why they were put into suspended animation. By the time thunderbolts had come out the serum "was failing him" and he had become scourge and was killed by the winter soldier. and theoretically the heart herb may have been a possible component for caps super soldier formula. it be interesting to see that. but wakanda was brought into marvel 20 + years after captain america and with the so many retcons of the comics it is hard to really say
The heart-shaped herb isn't toxic. If that was the case, why would Wakanda have the ritual of the battle? Are you saying that if M'baku had beat T'challa and tried to eat the heart-shaped herb, he would have died?
Adamantium it's indestructible in end game you see thanos broke cap shield Wich is vibranium some say that thanos sword was made of adamantium that's why he was able to brake it so vibranium is the second strongest metal in the mcu from my understanding
And I have a theory that the chitauri have a relation to the herb and the vibranium because if you remember in Spider-Man homecoming the chatauri core exploded when the x-ray machine radiation hit it kind of like what the herb would do when radiation hits it plus they're very similar in color
Hulks original origin had. Nothing to do with supersoldier serum. Mcu changing his origin left gaps. Cap not only is upgraded but had his physical self altered. According to the Dr. His serum was totally made in the lab.
@@richsingleton5677 LMAO im almost inclined to agree with you some of these writers are lazy and corrupt and bitter cause they not gettin no sweet nothings lol
@@angeluvsvid Comics were much better when in the 80s. The stories and plots were better and it didn't involve personal politics. And being a fan of 1980s Cap, they need to leave his origin alone.
@@richsingleton5677 thats not true Comics always involved politics you were just too young to remember as such whatever campaign was going on at that time
actually in the comics black panther is actually stronger and faster then captain america, the winter soldier only proves this to be more true. The suit only adds extra things to what black panther can already do. The super soldier serum Cap go was the highest peak a human could go at that time, maximizing his peak potential. Like a gohan on namek getting his potential unlocked. But black panther is like mystical gohan, and thats on a further level.
Erm, Nomad WAS Steve Rogers, going through a disillusioned phase. So no, Nomad didn't "just stumble" across yet another experimental version of the super soldier serum. He had the real deal.
In the comic script the origin of Captain America's serum is from the wakandan origin which is typical. How non black people always steal what is original from black people but yet deny them credit.
Do you think Black Panther could have created Captain America?
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What in the actual Hell!!!
Steve Rogers is Nomad!!!
Guys, you've got to research a bit about your content.
I'm sorry to say this, but your channel is losing its charm due to wild, whacky fan-theories and lack of content research.
I've been a CBR reader and viewer for almost 6 years and even then I'm seeing such a beloved channel slowly go down due to such petty stuff.
Please become the channel that was once loved a lot by its fans and critics alike.
Captain America 1941, Black Panther 1966 so no.
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Black Panther only scratched the tip of the ice burg in the MCU. R.I.P. Chadwick Boseman, wish that dude could’ve taken the next step in giving us a more in depth look into Wakanda.
It's so unfortunate he didn't get the chance to do that 😞
🥺🥺🥺❤🖤💚
RIP Chadwick boseman wakanda forever you will never be forgotten in the MCU and the world
T'Challa: And get this man a shield.
I’m skeptical of this because when Captain was given the serum, his body needed to be bombarded with vita rays in order for the serum to take effect. When you take the heart shaped herb, you don’t need vita rays at all.
Not only that, Steve never had a near death experience that would have let him see his dead mother, as T'Challa and Kilmonger did with their fathers. Also, the super soldier serum is blue, where as the heart-shaped herb is purple.
@@KalebKing88 i think the color doesn't matter there
I think it be reasonable to assume that role vibrating would have some type of mild radioactive properties given that just the presence of the vibrating amount of Wakanda gave the herb the ability to enhance a regular person strength agility
Also, if the herb is toxic, then why did they offer it to M'Baku? It would've just killed him.
@@TheDarthbinky strategy
Sad that we didn't got the much longer fight scene between Captain America and Black Panther
CA would not last that long with BP anyway
@@marjen6460 *Mjölnir* joined the chat
@@ayushmanghosh7668 common sense joined the chat, mjolnir means your worthy not strong
Killmonger is part of the royal family in the MCU. He’s father N’jodu was T’chaka’s brother and N’dajada (killmonger) was descended from his father and his uncle
The exaggerated swagger of a wakandan teen 😭
I can be honest and say that took me right out 😂😂😂
We will always remember you chadwick king of black wakanda forever!!!
To be honest, Panther's agility is better than Captain's.
I’m sure you say this cause your black and he died.
@@ruhaandamani10 bruh is soo obvious panther's agility is better
@@ruhaandamani10 that was racist wtf ..
@@brightoffice6300 you kidding me? Cap is way stronger than panther he was always stronger and now he has the mjolnir which makes him more strong he could punch thanos and damage him black panther couldn’t even go near him
@@ruhaandamani10 Wasnt it your bedtime?
Captain America and T’Challa could have common bond through their blood. Steve Roger’s Super Soldier Serum was an American experiment and T’Challa’s Black Panther strength stemmed from a traditional Wakandan ceremony, both men may have Vibranium running through their veins. As such, it seems only fitting that the best representatives of each country be empowered by a rare metal reserved only for the very best.
personal think cap connection thor and frost Gants blue blood frost giant is same stuff in blue formula . it explain how survive be frozen make loki his blood brother. but you could have point. if cap was actually one war dog kids like kill monger. the super solder formula could activated the panther powers in Steve. this important as flower normal did it is currently gone but if make super solder formula witch hydra 100 people been try. the wankandes reactivate panther powers in any persion with winkanded heritage. do say stretch Steve does not tattoo on lip secret birth certificate. that said is weird 100 people dr. only chose Steve make wonder if something in blood make formula work more that only good persion 100 people seems little wrong. this also rob him pick up hammer feat. as shows Steve hero with out formula. were had something in blood already before experiment.
Black panther has 100% all natural steroids (super soldier serum)
Both are practically the same in terms of morals
@@Mr.Jx. BP is way better plus his is natural than CA chemical serum.
BLACK PANTHER: GIVE THIS MAN A HEART SHAPED ORB
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Heart Shaped *Orb* moments
@@chrislermantal3715 it doesn’t matter
CHANGING THE ORB TO HERB CREATES A NEW TIMELINE ( I DONT LIKE THE EDITED COMMENT TBF )
Rip chadwik boseman wakanda forever🙏🏿
no one can replace him as the true roll of black panther
Any one notice in age of ultron Cap is drinking with Thor that super strong asguardian drink
Rest in peace King T'challa
I thought there was a connection between the two. I mean, really the only person outside of wakanda with access to vibranium is the only person with a perfect super soldier serum?
It's all in the vibranium...
Shield is supposed to be proto adamantium not vibranium
@@ogulcanlayik4616 really? adamantium is the thing that wolverine has around his skull right?
@@samarjit_1246 what he has is cheapened adamantium around his skeleton while captain america's shield is a combination of adamantium, vibranium and few More unknown things.
@@ogulcanlayik4616 oh. where does in the comics/movies does it state that is has a few more unknown things?
Don't forget the green goblin they tried to create the formula too, Harry low key survived it though...
I've alway considered black panther and captain America on par with each other, their both enhanced humans with enhanced physical abilities(the same enhanced abilities).
BP is alot faster, stronger, agile and super sences than CA plus the shaped herb has been around longer than the serum itself. When you come to think about it the Serum is based on the shaped herb instead.
@@marjen6460 I mean it's never been confirmed that black panther is "alot" stronger and faster because even in infinity war and end game they both were like neck and neck when they were running full speed into the opposing army. and we've never seen black panther really display his strength like we did captain America( i.e when captain America kept the helicopter from taking off in the winter soldier movie) but either way I'm still more of a fan of black panther
@@firelord_ozai If you watch Civil War where BP moves WS bionic arm with ease and thats not the stairways compared to CA was holding WS bionic arm in front of the lift and still got pushed through plus while BP was the only one running in the tunnel CA couldnt catch up so he hitched a ride.. even in the comics CA can not beat BP in a fight. To be fair i love all marvel characters in MCU but they dont always follow from the comics.
Black Panther: Howard Stark used my people of Wakanda's Vibranium to make your shield. So you owe us, Captain America.
Funny how xenophobic wakandans are in the mcu. Make trump look like a liberal
Hmmm... Sounds familiar
Mcu was wrong, captain's shield is meant to be proto adamantium not vibranium
@@ogulcanlayik4616 or mcu is its own original universe and so not everything will be accurate to the comics lol
@@rionelupus one or two thing should be, like they even mocked caps shield themselves
Great Theories, Guys!! 1 minor complaint... Herb is how you pronouce Herbert's nickname. errrb is a plant used in seasonings.
OH MY GOD, THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one bothered by that terrible pronunciation
@@meekthomas2789 smiles.
11:04 no you're wrong it's was Agatha
Was Agatha All Along
"Well Cap can see faster"
-2021 best quote
What do you guys think of the fan theory that killmonger could be resurrected by some secret Atlantese formula when buried at sea to return in BP2.
I do
THIS, is an outstanding theory! I doubt the MCU will back any of it up, but as a Marvel fan myself & now more so w/my two boys the last 12yrs, I appreciate the chronological breakdown of "how the Cap Powers" originated & changed hands thru the various experiments & attempts at duplicating Erskine's genius.
Since Captain America was holding mjolnir, Thor also said that whoever lifts up and wields the hammer rules all of Asgard. Maybe with the help from the sorcerer supreme he could teleport to Asgard. Cap may even have a spell on Asgard from the sorcerer supreme. Get a space ship(like in Thor Ragnarok) and fly to the other planets from Asgard.
With this theory in mind, maybe Isaiah Bradley is related to T'Challa and that is why only he survived the Super Soldier experiments.
So any of his kids or grand kids could then be the next black panther. It opens up some interesting options.
One thing everyone gets wrong including Bruce banner is that the OG serum didn't required the Vita rays on a normal human. They were used in Steve to increase his physiology to peak level, and the serum enhanced that to further superhuman level. The effects of SSS cannot be reversed unlike the heart shaped herb. That's the biggest disadvantage, maybe Erskine removed this disadvantage and created a perfect SSS.
It’s funny watching this after Episode 2 of Falcon and Winter Soldier. It’s like Marvel said, “Oh you think we’ve used the super serum to it’s furthest extent? Hold my beer.”
Ironically it was confirmed in WandaVision that Vibranium emits a traceable radioactive decay. Also, I’ve long believed that the lack of the vita-ray exposure is the route of the numerous failures. The best superhuman result was Banner because he believed gamma exposure in conjunction with the serum is the key.
Moon theories aside, has MCU setup any possible way for Capt. America to return as young Cap.
The answer is yes, in the same movie we see old Cap.
When Smart Hulk attempts time travel he changes Scott Lang’s age by, as Tony Stark puts it, pushed time thru Lang instead of pushing Lang thru time. So he creates the a device to fix this.
All you need to do is push time thru old Cap to turn him young again.
Am I saying this will happen?
No, I’m saying they gave us the solution at the same time as introducing old Cap.
MCU is often inspired by the comics naturally.
Was there an old Cap in Comics? Yes
Did he return to being young again? Yes
Why?
Because when he became old Cap, he faked his own death and operated behind the scenes, often with helping Fury.
What made him return?
The Red Skull returning as well as Hydra working with AIM.
Is there anything to indicate Red Skull is returning, in the MCU.
Yes actually, why else reintroduce him on Vormir?
Not only that but we were just introduced to a group called the flagsmashers with red hands on there mask.
They believe is there should be no flags, only a one world order.
You know else believes this and it was setup in Caps first movie all the way back in phase 1.
Red Skull...
‘I’ve seen the future Captain, there are no Flags!’
So.....they are Red Skulls Red Hands.
I think, maybe Falcons knows maybe he doesn’t, these rumors of Cap being on the moon, (Or maybe with Fury on Swords space observatory.) will end up being accurate.
Chris Evans is on the record as saying he would love to return as Captain America but wants to do a Hydra Captain America storyline.
Which also is setup in End Game, when Loki escaped with the tesseract; it created an alternative time.
One in which,
1 Hydra now believes that timelines Capt America is Hydra. (Because our Cap whispered in their ear, Hail Hydra.)
2 Cap in that timeline is now aware Bucky is alive years earlier than he is supposed to. Which would lead him to Hydra much earlier than the events in Winter Solider.
3 Cap uses the mind stone in Loki scepter ‘who turns out your mind and puts something else in’ as Hawkeye puts it, on the Cap from that timeline.
Who knows what was ‘put in’ by the mind stone; certainly it would have effected his mind though.
Point is....Cap will be back, because they are setting up Red Skulls return.
And all the piece for that storyline are already in place.
(As of right now Loki’s taking the tesseract is the only alternative timeline created past the point he takes it in the timeline in NY 2012. And remember, the Ancient One said that it’s by removing an infinity stone that new timelines are created, not by going back in time. Which is why old Cap was in the main MCU timeline, he returned all the stones. Going back to Peggy does not create a new timeline. And any time line change doesn’t occur until NY 2012. I’m guessing that timeline gets resolved by Loki and the Time Police chasing him in the show, probably to make he return the stone to when he took it, thus resolving that; though we’ve not seen it yet.)
Here is the kicker, Cap went back to return all the stones at the same time they were taken to protect the timelines and prevent alternative timelines.
Don’t you think he ran into Red Skull on Vormir?
Unless he killed him, which he didn’t; when he eventually goes back to marry Peggy; he has had along time to think about Red Skull and realize that right after End Game (when Thanos destroys the stones) events, Red Skull will be free to leave Vormir because the stones have been destroyed in our timeline.
So when that time returns, and he is super old; he comes up with a plan to hand the shield over, fake his own death, (go hide in space with fury) knowing he can turn back time and make himself young again at the right time....why?
Because he knows when Red Skull is returning, has had 70 years to prepare; and plans on removing himself hoping to draw him out into the open (He’d be more bold if he knew Cap is gone).
Red Skull is a mastermind, he plays puppet master and works thru others often.
I don’t think we will see Red Skull revealed in the 6 episodes of Falcon Winter Solider.
But this is what’s being setup....
Kill monger is cousin to Black Panther.. remember brother killed brother and he left his nephew behind..Aka Kill monger
Hi people lets do #recastblackpanther movement
In Falcon and the Winter Soldier they actually perfected it. It was the exact serum that Erskein ( not sure how to spell it) created because it was created from Isaiah Bradley’s blood.
4:06
"The guy who went from get that man a sandwhich" to get this man a shield
Everyone knows capt will win
I always felt that that blue herb of wakanda was a main ingredient of Erskine formula. I also think the vibranium that landed in wakanda so long ago was from the forge that made thors weapons
Duh ! The black panther is a mantle passed down to wakanden kings and queens ! One of the black panthers before the one we know let the super soldier serum project have the vibranium needed to make caps shield !
Edit : oops 😬 I commented this before I watched the video still a great theory !
oh you mean the one who T'challa visted in the dream thingie
Except we know that Captain America holds back most of the time.
I've been thinking this since BP came out, when my parents tried shooting it down by saying that tchalla and kill monger didn't grow in size I countered with the fact that banner had the closest replica, only missing the herb, because CA was dosed with gamma during the process as well, so when stark went and got some vibranium from Wakanda he also received some of the herb which was used by the guy who made the serum to perfect it, because I honestly think that red skull took a slightly less perfected form of it, or he didn't go through the whole process
The marvel writers just should steal it I like that because they have and they will
Power stone is purple. Space Stone is Blue. The plant is purple, the power stone can destroy the wielder if they aren't resistent enough. Captain marvel got her powers from the tesseract/Space Stone. The infinity stones are intrically tied in all of it. Which is what I keep saying that even if thanos "destroyed" the stones, they are woven intricately in the universe otherwise scarlett witch would have no more power at all
As we know as MCU fans that Cap is strong but Black Panther is just a little overpowering and overwhelming for Cap they had a serious battle one on one.
The character of T’Challa should never be portrayed by anyone else. However, it’s plausible for someone else to assume the mantle of the Black Panther. Perhaps part of the story of Black Panther II should be discovering who is worthy to assume Black Panther mantle.
radioactive spiders and the green globin serum could also be derive from it. Africa may have the bulk of the metal vibranium, but traces could have landed in other parts of the world. Hence, it is possible that other plants combined with the metal or raw metal was found and used in experiments. with the metal but was scarce. maybe just enough to create a few super solider, but not an army.
Recast Black Panther! We will get over the passing of Bozeman. He was physically too small for the role anyway.
I really hope the MCU doesn’t spam the serum. The comics gave it to a select few but over like 40 years of writing different series. The MCU can’t do that yet. I say keep it with US Agent, don’t let falcon take it, and then hot take: let killmonger come back to life and have Michael B Jordan take the black panther mantle👀somehow with shuri being queen of wakanda. Kill monger will take the name of the black panther, become a dark avenger, and then helping the black struggling communities in America like he said he wanted to do. Leading to characters like Miles Morales and Luke Cage being introduced. Maybe even Riri Williams somehow fitting in there
the only reason cap held him in civil war is because 1- cap wasn't his target 2-plot armor.
i'm not a comic reader but after a little bit of research, black panther can defeat mcu hulk or something
But in Black Panther they used the herb on T'Challa a second time and they buried him in snow, how is this radioactive?
Black Panther Vs. Captain America who do you think will win and why?
Black panther !
Far more intelligent , slightly stronger , noticeably agile and has enhanced senses far better than cap , better weapons , vibranium suit , and some other worldly tech , so overall a better fighter !
Cap is slightly more skilled and has way more tactical experience than panther , also has a better heart and greater will power ❤️ obviously damn good with his shield !
@@boxingchamp630 Skilled? BP knows every Martial Art known to Man. ( Inherits all the knowledge of pass Panthers)
Tactical. BP commands an Army.
Will power and heart. Not to be questioned. Sacrificed himself for his people.
He's King of the Dead. He's OP in the Marvel comics. He's nerfed in the MCU.
@@DoubleMM70 yup am well aware Brotha ! Am just talking about mcu
@@DoubleMM70 T'Challa began to enter from the age of six, Steve began to enter when he already had the serum and was an adult. How will Captain America have more skills?
@@Mr.Jx. Steve is more than 100 years old and possibly older than tchacka ! Fought so many wars and lead so many missions to victory ! Yup frozen for long but his previous experience is enough ! Tchalla had his first mission outside wakanda was to kill Bucky in civil war ! Hope you get the point ! Training is different from real experience ! They are neck in neck but cap has the skill advantage to negate tchalla's suit if they were given same combat mission ! Only his shield is bullet proof , so he has to be skilled enough to evade gun fures and lasers during combat , black panther has his agility advantage to cope up with cap's skill advantage so bp wins with a pretty good battle ! In comics straight away tchalla is on another tier , he is everything you said plus a good soccerer 🔥
Wakanda is in Kenya at a place known as Turukana county .
Germany colonized Tanganyika or Tanzania no country crossed through each others boundaries .
British colonized Kenyan.
To make more sense he needed to be British to connect all the dots.
Question is does John Walker have any superpowers as the new Captain America? He's just a member of military like Sam Wilson?
In the comics he is more stronger than steve. In the MCU we dont know if he has powers or not
I already know i made that theory when i first saw the war i mean come on they have the same powers and almost perfect aim
They need to recast black panther to continue his story. Bozeman wouldn't want them to stop the story because his death
Actually I think vibranium mutated some plant to make the heart shaped herb.so now after everything is burnt by killmonger the vibranium soil might mutate some other plant to make the new heart herb because vibranium is still present in the and vibranium even might be the seed for the plant
Everyone always forgets that Nick Fury had a form of the super soldier formula. Nick Fury is over 100 years old. If we go by comic lore.
Ok to clarify about caps shield, in the MCU it did not come from wakanda. Wakanda just had the mountain yes but there were other dropping of vibranium that landed in other parts of the world. What the US had for cap shield was about all the vibranium they had gathered over the years
People also forget it's part adamantium
dont forget that vibranium that came from space is actualy the metal that predators use for there weapons.
No T'challa wasn't born when Steve was
true
But I remind you that there have been Black Panthers before T'Challa and Steve were born.
It's a legacy
Black Panther is a mantle passed down thru generations
@@Mr.Jx. so y was T'chala on Tony's side if Steve was a trusted alie
Y'all are off on a few things...for one I don't believe the soil has anything to do with it. If you remember black panther was buried in snow after losing to killmonger to regan powers after almost dying. Second Killmonger is of royal blood. He is the cousin to black panther and the son of King Tchaka brother.
Because of Vibranium.
So would this mean Spider-Man is connected to the Heart-shaped herb? Remember in the Amazing Spiderman movie, Richard Parker working for OsCorp was working on “genetic research and Norman Osborn was tryna steal his research for a “foreign” government (possibly The winter soldier program or something.) To me this would fit the the serum+radiation theory...because didn’t Peter get bitten by a “radioactive spider” from Richard Parker experiments 🧪...ijs...I’m just adding to this theory which is an exciting way to thread the MCU together...🤷🏿♂️
2:20 the most important part besides strength is endurance. A good example is when Steve ran a couple laps around Sam
The effects of SSS cannot be reversed unlike the heart shaped herb. That's the biggest disadvantage, maybe Erskine removed this disadvantage and created a perfect SSS🤯.
The "h" is silent. It's pronounced "erb." "Herb" is a name, short for "Herbert."
This theory is pretty interesting
How do you explain the panther god bast and the spirit world phenomenon tho. I think it’s more to it then just metal it’s something spiritual as well with the heart shaped herb
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@@2V1ggo hello there. - in my obi wan kenobi voice
I think in order to acquire the herb is you need a royal gene which to make the herb compatible in your body.
make sense theory...
the super serum are made from very trial&error experiments on soldiers, might be from the heart shape herb as well..
that’s why Steve Rogers are not the first “captain america” that made by a government..
for example Isaiah Bradley from Falcon&The Winter Soldier series..
and ofcourse Redskull, Bucky, Red Guardian and many more..
but Steve Rogers maybe are the first succeeded using super serum without known side effect..
Captain America is the greatest team leader but when it comes to the best well being a king of a nation and skills that come from Centuries or generations well Black panther is the better hero! Also he single handedly took on the Avengers by himself and Defeated them by himself it was in a Comic book.
I have always said this!!! Hopefully they show this in MCU
You forgot the version of the super soldier serum BlackCat recieved💪💪👍😎
You forget they attempted again to recreate it when experimenting on 100 black men and only 5 live
Sounds like tuscege
@@agaagga33akacooksupbeats73 right... The Tuskeegee experiment.
So basically, most of our lovable hero's and villains were brought about in the comics due to one little serum? So what if we were able to find out how to make such a serum? We could literally have people like from the MCU in the real world! Then again we would have a lot of potential problems in this world, already have a lot to deal with a virus on a daily basis and this serum making superhumans is like 10x worst than that... imagine multiple hulks running around.
BUT I wAnNa bE StRoNg lIkE tHeM so LET'S GET TO RESEARCHIN'!
Edit: I want lightning-type powers, that's all I ask :)
I’ve had this kind of theory too. So technically, the super serum is a man made artificial version of the heart shaped herd. I do believe that a similar chemical or element in them. So I do have to ask what if doctor Erskin (Hope I spelled that right) possibly know about or had heard about wakanda. So there are definitely some possible connections. It’s cool to think about.
Nomad the first version was Steve Rogers, Nomad "Jack Monroe version" was the 1950's Bucky who took an untested version of the super soldier formula that william burnside (captain america of the 1950's) had poured over documentation he had found in germany(created it) and was trying to get the US govt to let him become the new captain america. This version was with out the vita ray component then made them both become paranoid and more aggressive which was why they were put into suspended animation. By the time thunderbolts had come out the serum "was failing him" and he had become scourge and was killed by the winter soldier. and theoretically the heart herb may have been a possible component for caps super soldier formula. it be interesting to see that. but wakanda was brought into marvel 20 + years after captain america and with the so many retcons of the comics it is hard to really say
No. Killmonger is T'Challa's first cousin so he would be able to take and gain the power from the heart shape herb.
I was just about to say that then I saw your post👍🏾
The heart-shaped herb isn't toxic. If that was the case, why would Wakanda have the ritual of the battle? Are you saying that if M'baku had beat T'challa and tried to eat the heart-shaped herb, he would have died?
The title of black panther is earned and anybody can take a crack at it the royal family has been a possibility in spite of that fact
They took it from a sample of the OG BP bloodline
Killmonger is of the royal bloodline he is The Black Panthers Cousin
so which is stronger Admantium or Vibranium?
Adamantium it's indestructible in end game you see thanos broke cap shield Wich is vibranium some say that thanos sword was made of adamantium that's why he was able to brake it so vibranium is the second strongest metal in the mcu from my understanding
And I have a theory that the chitauri have a relation to the herb and the vibranium because if you remember in Spider-Man homecoming the chatauri core exploded when the x-ray machine radiation hit it kind of like what the herb would do when radiation hits it plus they're very similar in color
Hulks original origin had. Nothing to do with supersoldier serum. Mcu changing his origin left gaps. Cap not only is upgraded but had his physical self altered. According to the Dr. His serum was totally made in the lab.
This makes since bc in the movies the serum is the same color ass the heart shaped herb
im excited bout this watch how these haters show up lol
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@@richsingleton5677 LMAO im almost inclined to agree with you some of these writers are lazy and corrupt and bitter cause they not gettin no sweet nothings lol
@@angeluvsvid Comics were much better when in the 80s. The stories and plots were better and it didn't involve personal politics. And being a fan of 1980s Cap, they need to leave his origin alone.
@@richsingleton5677 thats not true Comics always involved politics you were just too young to remember as such whatever campaign was going on at that time
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Killmonger is part of the royal family (in the movie) or did you forget the nod, "What's up Auntie." SD
actually in the comics black panther is actually stronger and faster then captain america, the winter soldier only proves this to be more true. The suit only adds extra things to what black panther can already do. The super soldier serum Cap go was the highest peak a human could go at that time, maximizing his peak potential. Like a gohan on namek getting his potential unlocked. But black panther is like mystical gohan, and thats on a further level.
What people dont realize is that the dr did not want soldiers he needed good man crazy
Erm, Nomad WAS Steve Rogers, going through a disillusioned phase. So no, Nomad didn't "just stumble" across yet another experimental version of the super soldier serum. He had the real deal.
Damn great theory, totally makes sense 😅really it does
it was proven multiple times even in the movies
Black panther was more stronger than a Captain America and Ironman combined best martial artist
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even spider-man stopped bucky’s arm
Spiderman is legit strong though.
In the comic script the origin of Captain America's serum is from the wakandan origin which is typical. How non black people always steal what is original from black people but yet deny them credit.
If that was the case Steve Rogers should have gone to the astral plain and talked with ancestors or some such crap
i have had this theory since black panther came out
He was also covered with snow in the Black Panther movie