2017 Honda Civic Type R Review - Fastest FWD Production Car
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- 2017 Honda Civic Type R Specifications & First Drive Review
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2017 Honda Type R Full Specifications
- 2.0L Turbo Inline 4-Cylinder Engine
- 306 HP @ 6,500 RPM, Max 7,000 RPM
- 295 lb-ft @ 2,500 RPM to 4,500 RPM
- Dual VTC with Exhaust VTEC
- Mono scroll turbo with electronic waste gate
- 9.8:1 compression ratio
- 3,117 lbs curb weight
- Front wheel drive
- Helical limited slip differential
- Launch control
- 6 speed manual with rev-matching
- EPA City/Hwy/Comb - 22/28/25 mpg
- Dual Axis front strut w/ ARB & adaptive dampers
- Mult-link rear suspension w/ ARB & adaptive dampers
- 20 x 8.5 10-spoke aluminum wheels
- 245/30ZR20 Continental SportContact 6 Summer tires
Direct from Honda's Press kit:
"The 2017 Civic Type R is features the most powerful engine ever offered in a Honda production vehicle in America. The Type R’s 2.0-liter 16-valve i-VTEC® DOHC direct-injected, turbocharged powerplant advances performance on multiple fronts with a peak output of 306 horsepower at 6500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque between 2,500 and 4,500 rpm. The Civic Type R is the absolute pinnacle of Civic performance, and ranks as the fastest Honda production automobile ever offered in America, with a track top speed of approximately 170 mph.
The 2.0-liter turbocharged engine is made by Honda of America Mfg. at its Anna, Ohio engine plant using domestic and globally sourced parts. Completed engines are shipped to Honda of the U.K. Manufacturing in Swindon, England, where the Type R is manufactured. Specifically engineered for direct injection and turbocharging, with an ultra-lightweight forged steel crankshaft and forged steel connecting rods, the Type R powerplant is designed to offer maximum torque output in the mid-rpm range to provide instantly accessible power.
Offered exclusively with a 6-speed manual transmission, the high-strength gearbox offers a short-throw shift action and closely spaced ratios tailored to suit the 2.0-liter turbo’s power delivery. A driver-selectable rev-matching feature smooths high performance upshifts and downshifts, and Launch Control helps optimize off-the line traction for maximum acceleration. And to help put the power to the ground, a helical limited-slip front differential is standard.
The Civic Type R engine is Tier3 Bin125 / LEV3-ULEV125 emissions compliant. Though the Civic Type R offers impressive performance, the efficient engine and transmission, along with excellent aerodynamics and low running resistance, result in EPA fuel economy ratings1 of 22/28/25 city/highway/combined mpg."
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You're a great car reviewer, very neutral and driven by pure car enthusiasm. You get it.
Thanks for the kind words! Definitely enjoyed my seat time and reviewing this one.
back fire so true!
Yeah, keep it up man.
1.2 million subs proves Jason is the GOAT of CZcams
Jason I like the clever solution the eng did to supress the torque steer but what happen if you tune the car as we all know honda enthusiast will eventually, will that get to far to upset the eng solution? what is your opinion on this. Thanks
The s2000 is one of the most enjoyable cars to drive. Hearing an owner say that this new Type R is really fun, says a lot.
Stingray hes not an owner..
matt terrain he meant an owner of the S2000
he meant an S2000 owner not type r owner
matt terrain owner of an s2000
L2BrowseChannel
Actual performance and mechanical stats compared to Doug's "MUH SPOILER" review. Props to you!
I was never a Honda enthusiast, but this car looks far better than any of the competition.
You make the best, most comprehensive car reviews on CZcams. Keep it up!
So kind! I like this one. ;)
Jim V agreed!!
Keep up the great work, and you'll never run out of viewers. These are very thorough reviews for sure.
agreed that torque steer intro will shut up a lot of doubters 😎
Amen.
I prefer Type-Rs to have a high revving NA motor, but I also know Honda doesn't slap the Type-R name on a car that doesn't deserve it. I'm excited to see this car out on the streets!
agree
As someone who dislikes turbo noise and delay, I couldn't agree more. Thus, this is another reason the S2000 still stands out against all these turbo charged 4 cyl that are now produced to give the same driving appeal. It's zippy without the extra whine.
SpiritedxDriver most cars that have a performance version are almost like the same vehicle as the base vehicle. This one is completely different from the base civic and even the si, so I completely agree that they didn't just throw type r badge on this car they actually thought of it. To be honest when Honda came out saying they were doing this car I didn't think it could even level with the focus RS and seeing this video as one of the first actual driving video and not prototype type r I think it can top the focus RS.
I agree but times have changed, NA would be left behind by the competition. Especially with this being the heaviest civic to come out.
Celtic Wind even with the heaviest civic this has the highest horsepower to weight ratio out of all of its competitors that he's shown
0:38 "im gonna punch it in a straight line and nothing happens" -Me driving my accord
This is the opposite of the Doug Demuro review
Preciƨe The difference is He uses facts, whereas Doug makes no effort to avoid personal bias. Which is fine, he's allowed to have his opinion and express it, but I take EE's reviews to heart because of the neutrality and honesty of his reviews...also he actually provides facts rather than just opinions.
I hate Doug's voice
I totally agree!!!
@@MCOGroupNews HE TOOK MONEY FROM HONDA!
"For me, I'm a little too narrow for the car, but I think I'm a little too narrow overall..."
lol
I applaud and thank you for also putting the weight in kilograms cause pounds don't mean much in most of the world.
People keep complaining about fwd but then the 4wd competitors such as the golf r are front biased and send very little power to the rear wheels.
Hamza Qureshi it steel gets them off the line without roasting the front tires.
@@ivydjm8939so go drag race them.
So you like it then? Lol.
What a fantastic review this is. You really do make the most comprehensive vehicle reviews of anybody i've ever seen. You truly deserve *so* many more subscribers.
Yeah, at LEAST 5M sub!
gear grinding defect
Thanks for mentioning rev-hang. It's a huge problem with so many modern cars. It ruins otherwise great cars. That would be a great topic for a video since not enough people know about it or understand it.
I hate that too, it really kills everything for me. Lets just hope this wont be as bad.
Loping Camshaft
Unfortunately, fully complying with latest emissions regulations with absolutely zero rev hang is simply unrealistic once you understand that the reason the smooth out the throttle closing is to prevent the sudden lack of intake airflow causing a transient dip in AFR, which creates a lot of unburnt hydrocarbons.
You're right that is the cause, but I don't think it's the only way to solve the emissions issue. It comes across more as manufacturers either being lazy or cheap to use other solutions. It's mostly in lower to medium-end sporty cars (say, below $40k).
most modern cars do rev hang now. so car doesn't die in first. sort of noon friendly I guess.
agreed, my car is a 2016 model and doesn't have rev hang, i think they could have found a way around it
Finally getting around to watching this and thanks for comparing it to the STI! Cool to hear that it's more fun than the STI, you could clearly see the big smile on your face! Should be way more reliable than the STI too! Great video Jason!
Just wanna tell, I watched this after the RL, AG, and CT channel review. I didn't expect it before, this review and its technical explanation... STUNNING. Very great job.
Only guy I've seen that can cram in hundreds of statistics and still keep it engaging and fun. Top notch!
Best fk8 type r review yet! thank you for this, especially the clearest exhaust/turbo sound clip!
Superb review. I agree with many of the comments. IMO this is the best online review of this car. Just so practical and informative. A great review just makes you wanna drive the car! Now I just gotta get me one of these and drive it.
I like how this guy gets very technical, explains more than he has to but good review. clearly the best type R ever.
you're the only one who mentioned the audio quality and audio set up for a civic type r review. props
Wow! Great review, Jason! This was a really well layed out review! I actually really enjoy the boldy aggressive styling of the Civic TypeR! Also, that Champion White color lools stellar. Keep up the impeccable work, Engineering Explained!
I cannot wait until I can review this vehicle in the near future, as well!
Also, congrats on 1,000,000 followers on Facebook! That livestream on TFL must have worked! Go, Jason! 👍🏽
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Got mine a few days ago #26306, so happy with it. amazing car
Already drove one and, it is just amazing. That chassi is so balanced and this engine is so well fitted. amazing
I love whenever i look up a certain topic or a certain car and see a video from engineering explained about it, this guy is a literal genius that makes great content and is able to talk about any subject in a way that even a novice can understand, great guy, great content, let's keep it going!!!
Congrats on 1MILLION LIKES on Facebook!!!
Thank you thank you!!
well deserved
- love the channel. Btw EE we have the 9th generation ctr in Europe and it's more or less the same car with a bit different rear suspension setup and no blipping module - a bit more harsh than this one but still very similar in terms of the tech - they used this platform as their testing grounds for the release of this one for the us market and it surpassed the expactations - that is why you've just driven the x ctr for the us market - if their expirement failed on the 9th gen hatch you'd not be having that at all :) so gg Honda :) the us getting it is also great news for the eu market - because we will be getting lots of mods and tuning stuff for this car and it is finally exactly the same car on both continents.
LA of LA what exactly is rev hang?
Yes, but can it open ma beer?
Only if the boys are around
Cracks a cold one with ease
+Should I Get It Evan shanks much?
Your reviews are absolutely the best. i really appreciate that you take the time to explain the technical information like the suspension setup that eliminates understeer and the aerodynamics. Keep it up!
Awesome review! I test drove a 2018 model in April and haven’t stopped thinking about it. Great technical assessment, the review highlighted looks but was really focused on performance and structure that supports it. BEST part was definitely getting to properly listen to it at the end! Top video all round!
The styling is not to my liking, but nonetheless I wouldn't kick it out of bed
😍 I'm so in love!
This is like the best car review I've ever seen! I have watched a lot of your whiteboard vids but man you really have a talent with in car reviews, you definitely speak my language bro!
What a great review. Seeing you smile when driving, it seemed to me that you thoroughly enjoyed riding the the new Civic Type-R. Thanks a bunch for a great and informative review!
thank you for giving your personal opinion on your past STi. HyperBlue STi owner here. I was wondering about someone's opinion about the new Type R from a past (out current) STi owner.
I wish Toyota kept the Celica RWD because "heritage."
JayceStardasher man miss Toyota....
+marc “TrueTurnupTosser” Camry
Gt86
Heard they might be bringing it back. Toyota just started its own performance division
Jason Ng I hope so
Hello Jason, just ordered a Type R, in blue. Cannot wait to drive it, had a test drive and the handling/performance was incredible. Thank you for a comprehensive review.
Love watching your videos. You know what your talking about and you give your honest opinion without being bias.
Now let's bring back the itr.
Thanks for the prompt release of this video. Posted a link to it on civicx.com
Thanks for sharing!
No problemo! Just finished watching it. Very good review. Well done!
good english spot on (accurate usage makes it easy to understand) really good car enthusiast, you know what you talk about and speak from rich perspective.. very nice.. i like it..
Absolutely lovely and a top notch delivery from Master Fensky!
Impressive.
Would still take the Focus RS tough!
Yes please!
Gotta love the fact that you're the only US CZcamsr that takes the time to put metric units on its videos 👌🏻👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Good review. A million times better than some of the so-called "car reviewers" on youtube whose reviews consist only of the amount of HP, torque and top-speed and the rest of the review is them talking about unrelated stuff.
I'm gonna be honest,
This is one of the most beautifull cars I've ever seen
Wow! Seems like a ton of fun to drive! Why can't Honda do this on the F1 track? Anyway, I will keep this car on my radar for when I'm ready to replace my 3 series.
This guy is so good! His enthusiasm for cars is evident in every vid he makes. Never miss an EE video!
Did not know you did car reviews, solid review so much better than other dedicated car review channels!! Keep it up :)
lmao so many people are butthurt over this car
ThatGuyWithTheSi I like your CZcams name with your picture, shouldn’t change it
okay it's pretty impressive, but how many psi of blinker fluid does it hold?
NastyMcBurgers 4
what is blinker fluid?
Hrithik Jayanth basically water (instead of H²O it's HO²) and it keeps your blinkers from fogging up and causing an accident. if a cop catches you without it, it's a $2000 fix it ticket. better run to AutoZone, because if you don't know about it you may be low.
Hrithik Jayanth bro it's the stuff between the hydro core and the downforce piping system
Ben Fillman $3k lucky here in cali its a $5k fix it ticket. im constantly going for blinker fluid just in case. Autozone always hooks it up
Hey Jason. Great to see you having fun. Nice review. I like how you always really go in depth on your videos. Keep it up.
Thanks for all of your reviews. As an enthusiast, I haven't kept a car for more than 3 years and your videos help cover the pros and cons before I even consider a video. Partially bought an STi after watching your review and now considering the Type R as I get rid of my video.
I've also had an S2000 with 4.77's and THAT was an amazing ride. :). Thanks for your videos!
This is a street car if you ask me you go out friday to sunday and race the whole city ! :D
The electronic parking brake just killed it
Mkhitar Aboolian What is the advantage to having those? I really dont get it at all. I see no possible upsides to electrifying what is an incredibly simple mechanical system
Michael Yachnis it's ok for a Sclass since it looks more professional but for a civic you need the hand brake to preform fast u turns
Usually because it saves space and weight. It's also a bit safer because it doesn't bypass the anti-lock system. In this case it's because the base design of the Civic 10th gen has an electronic break, and the Type-R is based on it, doing a redesign to make the car arguably worse doesn't make sense.
I find it interesting that since the addition of hill-assist, in areas where manual transmissions are more popular (e.g. outside the US), ebrakes are more popular. So clearly this is one feature that is more a function of us just not being used to it yet rather than being unnecessary luxury add-on that will fall by the wayside.
I just got a type-r and you can pull the switch while driving for e-brake slides. Still not as fun as a mechanical e-brake though
Fantastic review. As a previous Civic owner and now WRX owner, I appreciate your insight. Keep up the great work
Great review! You provided details that other reviewers missed.
Hopefully subaru will see this and realize they need to up their game with the next STI... and bring back the hatch!!
That Focus RS is more of a competitor for the STI tbh.
DreiZ I pray u rite
DreiZ the hatch? Lmao they need to swap the ej207 into all usdm sti's before addressing aesthetics again.
Agree about the hatch.....the STI is no longer in play for me, since it is sedan-only.....pity ! Every single competitor, whether it be the Type-R, the Focus RS, the Veloster N, the Golf R are all hatches and Subaru, as I understand, is working on the next STI sedan.......ouch
A true blessing from the R&D gods of Japan.Unlike the BS from Honda USA from last year. 😋
That was a great demo to start the video! Incredible indeed. My Mini Cooper S torque steers like hell!
Best Civic Type-R review out there on the Internet, makes me wanna rush out and trade in my BMW M2 for this car. Keep up the great work Jason!
The power of dreams 👌
M 310 imagine VTEC on intake cams with turbo
thats what i would call Power of dreams...
Optimus PrimeG1 There's no need for VTEC on the intake side because the turbo is already taking care of that function. it's like trying to wear a bullet proof vest over a bullet proof vest-- completely unnecessary.
Worth
Does the K20C1 in this type R have any mechanical similarities to the exisitng K20A and K24 engines? Would be it possible to swap a K20C1 head+turbo on a K24 block?
Shaiyan Hossain great question
Shaiyan Hossain only one way to find out
No
You ought to continue making car reviews.... every minute of it is good and informative
I didn't really care for this car before all these reviews but now I would really be interested in driving one and possibly looking forward to owning one down the line. Great review EE!
Two things. One, you keep mentioning how much lighter it is then cars with AWD, that's not exactly fair considering the AWD systems probably weigh as much as the difference in weight. Second, love the rear wiper!!!
I knew I wasn't the only person thinking this. I would say adding in a transfer case, driveshaft, rear differential, and rear axles adds a lot more than 200-300 lbs.
What's your point? He's saying it's lighter because it's FWD precisely because it doesn't have extra rear-drive components weighing it down. Makes for less drivetrain losses and a better handling car on high-speed corners.
Let's take a moment of silence for VTEC, may your soul rest in peace.
Neo Kgatla it has VTEC
It's not the same.
Neo Kgatla VTEC and boost don't work together that well, that's why they did it. It's still a form of vtec tho, so I'm happy
Excellent review! Can't ever get too technical for me, this is perfect.
I reckon You are one of the best reviewer I have seen! You are a real transparent guy!
I can see you have done some work with yourself or you are just gifted!
Most of reviewers these days are run by their ego...
Well done! And keep it real!
wish it was a coupe
Joshuia Shoemaker it is in asia
But how many boys, and cold ones can it hold?
Asking the real questions.
8
9 cold ones at the same time or milk teas if you're Asian...
You're a reviewer who knows what the manufacturer is trying to achieve, rather than another reviewer who always likes to give a different opinion just to gain views. You know what really happens in a car and backs up your ideas with facts and your knowledge. Even for the Lexus LC video, which I don't entirely agree with, I still perfectly respect your opinion because there's a rationale behind it. Keep it up man, that's good stuff there.
What an excellent comprehensive review! And what a fantastic Type R for Honda
It seems like you're quite high on this car. Would you say other reviewers were as enthusiastic? I guess what I mean is, were you all generally surprised and delighted?
Of the many journalists I talked to, most were quite impressed, yes. Individual things we weren't crazy about, but overall it seemed to be very well received.
I need an honest answer ... would you prefer this over the 2015+ STIs ? I really do value your opinion
Wali Garrett If I were you I would get the STI.
If it's going to remain on pavement, the Type R is more fun. STI engine is too dated and doesn't pull like the R. 0-60 times won't tell the full story because AWD will shine there, but for daily use (and those who don't drop clutches regularly) the R is far more refined and drivable. If you want fun in the snow, I've never owned a car that gripped like my '14 STI. 3 LSD's makes it magical in low grip scenarios haha. Of course, as I always mention, you're limited by your tires. 62% weight up front and a helical diff will mean the Type R should be fine in the snow, especially with the right tires. I've driven my S2000 in the snow with all seasons and it did alright, LSD helps a lot.
Thanks man !!
Wali Garrett both fun cars I'm sure, the reason I would stick with the sti is for the aftermarket support.
The Sti will blow head gaskets and get ring land. EJ is outdated sorry
You know it's a great car when the driver enjoys driving it.. We can see you smiling in this review all the time
Hey, your scripting here is great. At points throughout, there were times I had a question or inquiry in my head, seconds later, you had answered it. Very good.
CR-x was my first car, would love if they returned that to the market, or type-r'd the CR-Z and truly did it justice.
Whats the size of the rear brakes? Please and thanks
12 in.
Engineering Explained thanks for the response/info. Im surprised the calipers aren't ideally placed for center of gravity... but hey, i like saving $$ too lol
Engineering Explained • since you've reviewed both... straight line performace, this or thee accord coupe 6-6??
electronic e brake camoooon
Sizze I couldn't agree more.
I was very impressed with this car at a recent show. Honda's doing things right
Jason, an amazing job done!!! U are the only reviewer who purely speaks based on true facts and not emotions. I truly applaud u for that. U are not just a true car guy but also a true engineer! I'm an engineering student btw.
Do you personally recommend this car? I might just get this
Jason likes Hondas I think that can be seen in this video too. Quite sure he recommends this,I would too!
Here is something he said in another comment :" If it's going to remain on pavement, the Type R is more fun. STI engine is too dated and doesn't pull like the R. 0-60 times won't tell the full story because AWD will shine there, but for daily use (and those who don't drop clutches regularly) the R is far more refined and drivable. If you want fun in the snow, I've never owned a car that gripped like my '14 STI. 3 LSD's makes it magical in low grip scenarios haha. Of course, as I always mention, you're limited by your tires. 62% weight up front and a helical diff will mean the Type R should be fine in the snow, especially with the right tires. I've driven my S2000 in the snow with all seasons and it did alright, LSD helps a lot."
get it! be an explorer, you could pave the way for big power mods (or mildly higher ones)
Mark O its fwd with 300hp. it will try to kill u in snow...
matt terrain it will smoke you in dry
But does it have a drift mode?
Yes, it does. Put the transmission in R and off you go.
But R stands for race mode
Squidward's House get some plastic plates from McDonald's put it on the back wheels put on the brake and you're ready to go
Squidward's House tip to any new driver, going down the freeway trying to race someone put in R (Racing mode) whether it's an auto or manual vehicle.
Squidward's House Wanna know how Ken Block do drift on Focus RS? He use the race mode. see the vid. He says that the drift its just doing for you which its not the same thing, and i guess he know a bit about that. just wondering.
Best review of the type R so far
This was a very informative and non boring review. Honestly you deserve to be at where you are keep up the good work 👌🏽
I'm very suprised by that price point. my brother lives outside of Atlanta and there wasn't a single RS under 40k. (obviously not the only thing I took from the video)
Well if the FF layout was so important to the cars "heritage" then why didn't they put in a high revving Vtec engine.... That argument isn't good enough.
MannyFresh1x I think the real reason is for the low emissions required in Europe. An NA engine with that much hp and capacity wouldn't pass. So turbocharging is the way of the future unfortunately.
wouldnt pass emissions standards of today.
A healthy dose of torque is good for a Honda.
Exactly, make it 4wd already with a rear bias o with a dccd. 👽
Thomas Estwick not everything jas to be rwd to be good, leave it to honda to bring the best potential of FF to life
Great review. Very cool how you compared this to the other current sports cars. This car is amazing
Ty so much for reviewing this car! I absolutely love the Spec comparisons against the other hot hatches! (nobody else had done it yet!) I also have an AP1 S2000 but I REALLY want this Type R
thieves be like: o yessss i whant this too!!!
Inb4 inevitable ricer comments.
"Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements" or "Radically Immature Car Enthusiasts"?
This Type-R is legit. Honda's Type-R program has always been legit, and their performance engineers know their stuff. Form follows function on this new Civic Type-R and it has legitimate, performance-engineering-based reasons for its design.
Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. And I know the Type R is a good performer, but there are cavemen that will call it a ricer because it's a Honda. As long as I can remember everyone called a Honda a ricer. The Type R seems to be stuck with that just as the Mustang is stuck with the Cars and Coffee curse. Personally, I don't like the way the car is designed but the performance more than makes up for it.
Finally someone that explains technically the inner workings.. Great review.. I would like to hear your comparison with a megan RS trophy 300
Fantastic review, especially the part when you explain the engineering behind torque steer.
Finally Honda made something decent after so many years
s2000? eg? ep?
Arthur Borges those cars were at least a decade ago. Honda has been through an era of malaise until the arrival of the new Civic in 2016.
lone mazter all Honda hot hatch, integra, and other type R in their time is decent. You're probably an American hater who never got to experience their previous hot hatches so u talk out of your ass!
EK!
Is this too boy racer looking for a 50 year old ?
Joe Rogan yes. very much ricer kid.
never too old
Nah man these are refined and with tasteful mods you can rock it
Yeah, it's too boy racer looking for boy racers. Lol.
Joe Rogan
I'm with ya.. I'm 50 and I love hatchbacks and lookin to get into another one, but the looks are over the top. Honda should offer a wing delete, and get it in black which would "calm" the looks down a bit. I have a feeling if I test drive it I'll get it.
I have been waiting to hear your review for so long on this car. I was waiting for your thoughts on whether or not to buy it and you have got me so pumped to get it as soon as i can. Ty so much keep up the videos
Great videos. Love each one of them . Very informative. Excellent honda.
Before I knew anything about cars I hated Honda I've come to realize that some of there cars aren't to bad s2000 was amazing (my opinion) and now the type R which looks like a beast as well
All of this is coming from an 01 cobra owner😂
Ha, back in the day I felt the same about American muscle; I absolutely love the Corvette, Mustang, and Camaro now haha.
Engineering Explained as a car enthusiast I like all cars even rice it's nice to look at someone's creation ya know you get to hop in their mind for a moment
Liberal Tears I salute you sir. also liberal tears taste great
Have you hit anyone yet
68 dislikes? Well I guess 68 fwd haters watched this video.
King_tazz or just people who think the way a car looks is important... or people who want performance...
this car has neither
really? no performance? watch motor trend or car and driver, it performs better than competition in every way except 0-60 times
Very nice review! It seems like a blast to drive! I'm glad to see honda is making fun cars again.
Absolutely love your reviews Jason, keep up the good work!