Why I Sold My Canon C300III - What Did I Buy Instead?
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What would you miss making the switch?
Absolutely!
I was actually looking at the R5C but the C70 makes a lot of sense. I don't have a C300 III but I would prefer to own the less expensive camera, and rent the C300 for the projects where I need the bonus features of the C300 over the C70. In fairness though, I do have the Lumix S1 and now getting the Lumix S5 IIX, which works better for my style of shooting than the Canon C70 (although I really wish I could get internal RAW) :)
I currently have a Canon C100 MKII and if I was going to upgraded, it would be the C-70. I don’t have that “long money 😂” so my broke self will stick to what I have for now.
Thanks for the awesome content! We learn so much from your channel. I know I do!
@@lb7144 Maybe look at the original Lumix S line (S1, S5) if continuous autofocus isn't too important. It will give you a crispy 4K 10 Bit upgrade without breaking the bank
SDI
True story. I've used everything out there and the C70 is my favorite workhorse camera I've ever owned. I told a rep from Canon that if the C70 had an SDI output they'd never sell another C300III ever again, and he actually agreed completely.
Now we just need a full frame version with anamorphic support :D THEN that would be the dream camera :D
@@damiencooper Hi Damien, Did you use Sigma Cinema lenses or Sigma art/photo lens
@@JasKenMoore both
@@damiencooper if they put the R5C - in a C70…wow
@@BrandonTalbot R6ii in a C70. Call it R6c or C60.
Yes... have to agree with you - I was a C300 mkii shooter and hired the mkiii. Great cameras for my work but the last few years it more run and gun and I needed a more lightweight kit - the EF mount also is on its way out and the RF is the new tech. I have 2 x C70's and an R5c. The C70 is now my workhorse
Love your videos - great points. I own a C300 mkiii and often match it up to a friends Arri Alexa Mini LF with minor grading they match up beautifully.
Like someone else mentions when you’re landing larger budget projects like we do - $50,000 + the clients really so appreciate seeing the larger camera and they feel like they are getting value.
When you rip out a smaller camera the question marks start flying why they just paid so much money. Perception equals reality
Content creators the C70 is an amazing option. But for higher end corporate work and more advanced Filmmaking - I feel the C300 mkiii is the better camera. And the non crop super 35 4k 120 with the new firmware update is a great feature that makes the C300 mkiii an excellent value camera in my opinion. :) greeting from Sydney Australia
what do you mean "non crop super 35"---do you mean there is no crop factor on the c300 mk iii?
Thanks for the great video. Nice work
Thanks! Glad you like it!
I love my C300mkiii. I have 2 of them. About to head to Bangladesh to film a doc. :)
Since you asked, No I wouldn't sell my C300 Mark lll for a C70. I don't live in a big city. Out of town companies call us and always ask "what camera do you have?" If I did strictly local work I might consider it, also I use both the monitor and SDI out. I might add a C70 though for a 2nd camera. I do like your videos though.
C300 shooter here- Love the vid, agree with everything. Minor feature things aside, There's only one unfortunate reason I can personally justify staying off the C70. There's a certain tier of client that is more likely to book you with a more expensive camera package. Corporate clients don't necessarily understand the intricacies of visual quality, but when they see a $ XX,XXX camera package they will bite. And certain doc companies always make you rent out FS7s or canon C series no matter what. I realize this affects probably a tiny fraction of people that watch this channel. But to land the big fish sometimes it helps to have a big package 😉- But you will know when you're at this level. If you have to ask, listen to Damien and buy the C70. I would say in general, folks purchase cameras beyond their needs and abilities.
I actually agree. I had directors request a C300III+. I showed up with a rigged out C70 anyway :D And corporate clients can't tell a rigged up C70 from a C300III. to be fair, my V-mount C70 rig is hardly smaller than my C300III was anyway.
@@damiencooperohhh that's smart🙌
I use C300 mark3 and c70. Certainly the C70 has eye AF and is better than the c300. But the reason I use the C300 is because it can shoot 120P in RAW. I am a fan of Japan. I always look forward to your great videos. Thank you.
Get the new firmware update for the c300. It adds face detection.
@@ProSmithMedia Face detection has been added, but not eye AF. I am hoping that eye AF will be added as well.
I love watching your videos, and your honesty about your short pause in making videos. Now, as far as my production shooting goes, I spent the last two and a half decades of my career shooting for CNN. I retired and enjoyed doing production shoots, but also traveled more than I cared for. Anyways, now I only want to shoot productions, mainly nicely lit sitdown interviews. I also do Liveshots occasionally from Capital Hill as well as large events. CNN used to use the C300mkii a while back for most of their docs and high profile interviews. They later had made a deal with sony so we ended up switching from the C300mkii to the Sony FS7, the FX9 for interiviews. I personally liked the look of the Canon cameras WAY better, so at first was going to buy a C300mkii. After seeing the improvements to the C300mkiii, I changed my mind and spent the extra money on it. I love it and its been worth every penny. I've used other cameras as a bcam to roll along side it for Wide shots, and gimbal/slider work such as the ZCam E2-M4, the Canon R5, even the Canon XF605. But recently, I decided to sell the zcam and the R5 and buy the Canon C70 which is due the end of this week. I already bought adapters from the mini xlr to xlr for my audio. I also have some HDMI to SDI converters that I used for my R5 if I ever wanted it to roll as a live wide shot at an event. I will see if the C70 works well this way, and if it does... it's very possible that I will follow the same path as you. I have the Canon CN-E 18-80mm Cine lense with the variable zoom attachment on my C300 most of the time. Ive used it for news pressers and shooting, live events as well as interviews. If this lens would work with the Canon EF adapter/speed booster on the C70, it would really be awesome because it would give me an extra stop on the 18-80's T4.4 lens and a wider view. The along with the C70 I bought a new RF 70-200 f/2.8 lens to give me the longer throw when needed and thought it would be a beneficial lens to have for my first RF lens. Anyway, IF I keep the C300mkii, it would mostly be to keep the 3 SDI ports and I do like having full size XLR's, though I understand they take up too much room on the smaller body of a C70. For my use, I wish they could allow you to switch between Timecode and SDI on the C70 the same as they switch from Timecode in to timecode out. That way if you want to use it to jam sync 2 cameras timecodes you can do that and then switch the port to SDI to go live while recording if needed. I'm not an engineer, so I'm not even sure if that is possible. If I personally had a choice, for me, I would rather they make the Timecode BNC port an SDI port. Todays editing software make it so easy to sync, I've only needed to sync timecodes at one event. Keep the videos coming! I know its time consuming to make them, but you do a great job and I really enjoy watching them.
Hi, did you get your hands on C70? I'm curious if the Canon CN-E 18-80mm Cine works fine with the adapter/speed booster on the C70. How the AF works? I have C200 and this lens and I'm thinking of switching to C70. Thanx!
After 3+ weeks with the C70, I decided to KEEP my C300mkiii for the reasons you stated. Both cameras are excellent but have their own benefits. Keeping one of each gives me the ability to have both for when I need them.
@@withoutanoffice4914 Thanx, but does Canon CN-E 18-80mm autofocus works with C70?
@@viperstudio I don't have a speed adapter but I have a Meike metal mount adapter and it works perfectly. No issues what so ever. It was the very first thing I tested out. LOL
@@TezaurFolcloric Yes. It works perfect.
C3000iii also has „whole area“-AF with tracking. Only reachable through function button. 😛
Would definitely make that switch. Still using my C100 MKII and R6 as a pair. This year will definitely moving to at least one c70. Mobility and compact are big these days when everything needs to be done yesterday.
oh yeah. The C70 is perfect for that
I miss the ergonomics and handle record button of the c100 for hand held. But the c70 codec options and detail are nice.
But Canon did give a firmware update for the C300 mkiii to add face detection and tracking for S&F shooting up to 120 FPS. That was added back in Late October.
Oh word? That’s when I had already sold mine. Did they add the whole are option too?
@@damiencooper I’m not sure on that. There is nothing that specifically says “whole area” but it does have the Dual Pixel AF capability for frame rates up to 120 as well as face detection. I currently have the C70 and will be adding the C300 mk iii. For what I do the C300 adds a few more values that I am looking forward to. I have recently stumbled upon your channel and appreciate your feedback on everything.
1. Your Canon C70 vid cards didn’t show at the end, even though you pointed to them…and something was moving around over there, just looked like it was blocked from view.
2. With you having been a user of both and opting for your work, helps me solidify my choice. I’ve been pondering a C70 for awhile, but felt i might be misusing the money, when i could save and get a C300. Your rundown was super helpful.
3. Not sure why CZcams wasn’t flagging me for your new vids, but this is like the first one I’ve seen in a couple months….
Oh damn. Forgot to put them. Will fix this.
Well, I haven’t uploaded in a long time 🫣
But this is about to change a lot!
The C70 is such an amazing camera! Great video dude!
Thanks Tyler, appreciate the comment!
I agree but what about timecode - I think the C300II has a full implementation which would be great for multi-cam shooting. It seems to me that Canon are holding off upgrades to the C300II, maybe because the EF mount is almost a legacy interface to them.
The C70 has full timecode support. I use it all the time for multi camera shoots. Even the R5C has timecode.
And you might be right about the EF mount
I have the C200 and love it, I am tempted to upgrade it for the C70, just wonder if the clients would be turned down by the more DLSR-like form factor. Any rumors about the C300IV?
The best caméra was the Canon C200 but Canon don't release a new firmware. They don't respect us, Sony and Panasonic are more serious with their customer
Man the colors these cameras push out are just 🤌🏾
I am considering the c70 for a first cinema camera for my directing work. Do you find it to be pretty versatile?
so are you going to rebuy the rf70-200? will Belle still use the ef for sports?
Do you find that you need to do post sharping with the footage of the C70?
I wonder how the C200 mk ii will compare?
I have a C70 with the Canon speed booster. I use the Schneider Xenon prime lenses, but I was thinking of getting a 24-105mm f/4 zoom to use once in a while. The EF version would be plug-and-play, so to speak, but the RF version is reported to have better image quality. Unfortunately, to use it, I would have to remove the speed booster, which is a little bit of a hassle, and there is also the crop factor of using a full frame lens with a Super 35 sensor.
Do you have any suggestions about this dilemma?
Get Canons RF to EF adapter, just the straight adapter and that would now allow you to mount the canon rf focal reducer as well. Keep in mind that your lens will have to travel through 2 adapters now and may have issues with auto focus BUT if they are both Canon branded adapters, this may be less of a problem (theoretically)
You did forget the cards at the end :)
Oh damn. Thanks!
Hi - do they both correct anamorphic ?
While I'm a Sony guy, I literally made a similar move from the FX9 to the FX3. Not quite apples to apples, but the FX3 just works a lot better and is easier to work with than the FX9, so to answer your question, if I'd had the C300 M3, I'd definitely have traded it out for the C70.
Dude that’s one brave move you made there!😂 I’m a FX9 owner who’s thinking on going to the C400 instead. The lack of slow mo in FF really annoys me, and the size and weight isn’t fun at all.
I think the most important feature camera manufacturers are over looking is an EFV ...This is soooo under rated these days , and very limited 3rd party options... an EFV is such a needed thing , changes the way you shoot...too many people really just on the monitor. Rodger Deakins said in an interview, forgot the monitor, go to the EVF
In addition to the C70, did you also consider the Red Komodo?
Not really. Every time I think about it I come to the conclusion that the C70 is a far superior camera in everything but the raw codec.
@@damiencooper I own both and IMO even in ProRes, the pure image quality / skin tone from the Komodo is definitely better. It just creates a look that is a few notches up. More color separation and just a warmer nice pallet. The image feels thicker. The Global Shutter is also killer for handheld.
That being said, the NDs, Battery Life, Long GOP, XLR, 120fps, Dual Record, and Auto Focus make the C70 such a great little camera.
Great Video, thanks a lot! if you compare nowadays the c70 af with the r5c autofocus..would you still say the r5c has still a better af?
interestingly enough, I did the other day and the C70 was the clear winner. The R5C was way slower and sometimes borderline unusable. I might put out an entire video about that because I was really surprised by my findings
@@damiencooper shi...i cant believe this...i decided now to go for the r5c because of weight and size and af...the nd filter and xlrs-audio-story i dont need...what i need is dr...picture quality..but no heavy bricks
@@caseybachmeyer I was really thinking of going R5C just for the full frame RF mount. But no matter how many times I tried I went back to the C70. The AF situation was the nail in the coffin. I borrowed the R5C to my ex for a project in switzerland and the AF just didn't work for what she was doing...
@@damiencooper at the end you need all...r5, r5c, c70...they know what they do
@@damiencooper maybe i will buy a sony a7iv with a lens instead...lightweight, good af, good dr...
In all honesty, I think you made a poor decision. The C70 is also a good camera, but it is no where near the level of the C300 MK III. You could justify getting rid of it by pointing out it's overkill for what you do on a weekly basis, but this is now, and what may come later on ? The C300 MK III can handle all levels of production thrown at it, while the C70 clearly is not a digital Cinema level camera, and it's really a task specific camera, while the C300 MK III is the next step up from a C70 for sure.
and I just got a c100 mk ii lol☺
Thanks for the great video. I’m only semi-pro, but I’m amazed that the C70 allows shooting RAW internally when it only has an SD card slot. Doesn’t that take up huge storage space and cause overheating? I only have an R5 and have to use an external recorder to record RAW, at least as far as I’m aware. Even using a CFexpress card I can’t record RAW internally.
Did you already break the flip out monitor at c70?
No, works perfectly but I mainly use an external monitor. If I were to use the internal one only I would‘ve probably broken it already
😂
Is that Bucharest footage?
Never shot in Bucharest. So no 😅
Viewfinder ist ja für mich ein Totschlagargument.
Eins der ersten Argumente das wirklich Sinn macht! Ich persönlich hasse Viewfinder. Für mich also egal ;)
@@damiencooper Mach EB, da muss man vorbereitet sei.
I'm a C500 Mark II owner but I would have kept the C300 and bought 1 C70 for my B cam....you named a whole bunch of advantages of the C300 then went and bought not one but 2 of the inferior camera LOL
He only needed one reason… the thousands and thousands dollars of savings especially if the sensor is the same and especially getting access to the RF mount .
I wish I mattered enough to tell someone what to do their money!
noooo fx6 is better
Sony is just much superior at this point.
Canon is a dumpster fire.