Tricky Tracksaw Cuts [video 460]
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- You know some #cuts can be a little awkward with a #tracksaw or #plungesaw and in this video I show you how I go about five of the common ones. Enjoy!
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Matthias Wandel is the wizard of table saw on youtube, and you are wizard of track saw.
“Tricky cuts with many easily resolved with nothing more than sticky tape” - Blue Peter Millard. Super helpful video as always. 🙏
Thank so much excellent illustration I am really grateful
Nice one matey. I have one for you since you asked. You can cut 3 or 4 or more boards with only one pencel mark on the first one by placing them on top of each other than make the first board and cut only the top board and after you remove the scrap the blade would have left a scoreline on the next board for you to follow, and so on. (Building site trick mostly used for battens and joists but works with any cut)
Cheers George! 👍👍
These sort of videos are worth their weight in gold.....
It would be unfair to call it a compilation video as it highlights so many useful tips that can be easily missed in the build episodes.
I particularly enjoy both the ‘smug’ “of course I know that” moments and the lightbulb moments of “why don’t I know that” or “of course it’s so obvious why didn’t I think of that”
Thank you great content as always, Peter.
Thanks Iain! Yes, it was suggested by a Patreon supporter actually, this kind of format - if it was on TV we'd call it 'revisited' - and there may well be more of this type to come. 👍
I love watching everyone of your video's
Thanks!
Thank you! 🙌
Thank you!
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That technique for cutting the wedges is brilliant! i usually do it by eye on the bandsaw but your method is a ton better.
Thanks! 👍
Got my waist side jigs lately, now waiting for my festool track, ordered 3 Werkstatt ago 😢
Another video for the Track Saw Bible. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Goran! 👍
The wedge making trick is really useful. Thanks Peter.
It sure is! 👍
Simple, clear and concise. I can only imagine the amount of work that has gone into preparing for and then editing this video.
Thanks Nico! 👍
Cracking tips Peter,thanks for sharing!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
Cheers Allan! 👍👍
Brilliant! Thank you sir 👍
Thank You for this tipps! Great help for me!
Always interesting to see tricks from you. Thank you.
I want to like this twice. The partial bevel solution is great, I need more bench dogs and clamps.
Thanks! And we all need more Benchdogs and clamps! 😂👍
Thanks for the new lesson, I learned again a lot!
Great video as ever
always so educational thanks peter
Thanks for the great content!!
Very helpful!
Fantastic and very informative video, thanks for sharing 👍
Pretty smart stuff!
Thanks Pete
Very good video.
Always enjoy watching Peter; always pick up great tips....cheers...rr Normandy, Fra
Thanks Richard! 👍
I got some of those jigs from Strawbite and sent to Australia. Lucky I put them in in a safe place as I can’t find them Damm it. 😂
Nice, I like the bevel cuts at the leading edge of the bedside cabinet, they really elevate the finished product.
Thanks! Yes, the little details make the difference. 👍👍
Yes I have been cutting a full bevel on an oversized piece then the straight 90 degree cut. This way seems both easier and more consistent for prices that join together
These are great tips. Thank you.
Thanks Wico! 👍
I couldn’t agree more about your comments on the Strawbyte jig. I seem to use it daily. I’m a left handed lad and tend to “see” the job the other way round from you right handers and naturally want to have the waste on the left of the track rather than the saw side. That little jig is a game changer in terms of accuracy.
Loads of other good stuff in the vid as well, as per….
Thanks! 👍
love the wedges
I have to watch this maybe 10 times to come close to this level of skill, very impressed and feeling humble.
That’s kind of you to say, but I’ve been practising for ~20 years and still
make some terrible mistakes! I don’t think anybody really gets any better - exist eg better at hiding the mistakes! 😂👍👍
Love the "no nonsens" channel here... And your skills...
Another great Video Peter .... Thank you.
Cheers Nick! 👍
Peter, in this video you just answered all the the questions that I had building my first night stand. thank you so very much for your content.
Thanks Alexander!
I've been putting off buying a track saw for a long time. Think I will finally make the plunge due to this video Peter. Thanks 👍
Great tips Peter!
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter
Interesting video mate liked that.. Plus the simple way to make wedges, I love my festool plunge saw id be lost without it I tend to use it on most of my jobs great video mate thank you 👍👍👍👍
Thanks. Peter. I have bought enough Festool tools thanks to you and Peter Parfitt. Such a useful video which puts off a Kapex purchase for a bit longer. Great channel
Thank you!
All kinds of problems can be solved by just putting a scrap piece to help support the rail on a piece thinner than the rail. Nice bunch of tips.
Well watching all the jobs you do with a Track Saw and mft table you have convinced me I only have a very small workshop no room for a table saw!! thanks Peter love your video's.
Thank you! 👍
I'm always learning, thanks!
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Thanks Peter - very nice again.
Thanks Wino! 🙌
Another brilliant video. Cutting those wedges was fantastic.
Thanks! 👍
Worth every penny and shipping across the pond. Awesome little product.
Absolutely. 👌👍
Another excellent tip & well presented as always thanks Peter 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Trevor! 👍👍
Those tricks are so impressive, I am speechless.
Get it? ... Speechless.
Thanks Peter, some of the track saw cuts are tricky and what you said makes sense. Support and be safe
Thanks Doug!👍👍
One of your best videos Peter. 👏
Thank you! 👍
Thank You
Pleasure! 👍
Just when I need to know something, you make a video about it. Its like you can see into my brain and you know what help I need. Thank you Mr. Millard. This was extremely helpful!
Thank you! 👍
Great tip on taping the thin piece to a wider piece, I had been not using stock once it got thinner than about 6”, will def be giving the tape trick a try on my next go round!
So smart Peter! Many thanks for your practical and clearly explained tips and tricks and methods.
Thank you! 👍
That is bloody clever stuff!
Thanks! 👍
Really happy I found your channel! The video on tricky track saw cuts was a real life saver. I've just bought a dewalt model so learning what it can do and how to use it. I was really stuck on a project for cutting bevels smaller than the track width and saw (huh) how you supported off the edge. Its always obvious after you watch someone doing it (hahaha). Can now finish project. Thank you
Another Awesome Share of your experience and knowledge Peter , you make it looks so easy , after a couple of tries on some scrap and taking it real slow the outcome is Pretty great , again thank you so much
Thanks! And bear in mind I’ve had ~20years of practice - and I still make plenty of mistakes! 😂👍👍
Love the tips. Personally I use track clamps with my rail... handy with small irregular cuts that are too long for my mitre saw. But I also like your setup.
Excellent video like the simple way to make wedges cheers Peter
Cheers Mark! 👍
Cheers, mate, some great tips there.👌🏽
Thanks for sharing.👍🏽
Take care.
Cheers Bill! 👍👍
I watched past weeks all your YT content and is realy amazing stuff, learn a lot from it, so thank you Peter!
Thank you! 👍
I've been contemplating buying a track Saw instead of a table saw, this has cleared up all the worries I had about a track saw. Thanks Peter! Great video as always!
Thanks! 👍
Good Stuff. Cutting French cleats this way was one of the first things I did after getting my track saw. So far I haven’t come across a cut that I need which would require a table saw. Those waste side jigs are great. I got them based on your video and not disappointed at all.
Thanks! Yes, great little jigs. 👍👍
Wow - just - wow 😯
The wedge trick is very clever...
You are such a genius!! Your ideas are absolutely great! Too bad you stopped doing furniture. Loved that as well!
Thank you. And FEIW I’m very happy to have stopped the fitted furniture side of things. 😂👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop i remember the video where you first mentioned that you were gonna stop this and I thought: oh why oh why. At the same time I was starting a big remodeling job of my new home office at the end of which I thought: I understand now why he stopped 😂
Being a professional cabinet maker and installer, this is the most comprehensive how to tricky cutting with a track saw. I just need to figure out the best combination of bench, bench dogs and accessories to have when working in the field where table saw and miter saw is not practical and a track saw needs to perform the same functions. Thank you for the video!
Cutting ply or working with ply is my favourite material I like working with. I notice at around 6 minutes after doing the angle cut you were limited for space and a slight burn mark near the end of the material you cut.
I think that's because you didn't have enough space after the cut or you will hit vacuum hose.
Your attention to detail and perfection is on another level.
Great video.
Thanks! 👍🙌
So simple and obvious yet still i need to have you guide me into the OH MY GOD moment of enlightenment ;-) Thanks!
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Absolutely fantastic stuff! Oh how I could have done with this a couple of days ago when cutting French cleats for my shelf on your mobile bench build. Couldn't stop the piece moving. Tape it to the supporting piece! So obvious now! Took me 2 hours and many 'practice' cuts to get just 2 pieces done so at least I know how to do the others now. Thank you so much.
Yeah, been there! Fortunately I’ve had a few years of daily tracksaw use to figure some of this stuff out! 👍👍
Great video Peter, I love my TS-55, just use my table saw as a place to stack the systainers!
Thanks Dawn! Must admit I keep looking at my table saw and wondering why I have it. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter, a very informative video, thank you. And another vote for the Strawbyte waste side jig.
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter
Watching you from Florida
Easy life, Michael! 😂 Hope it’s going OK 👍 👍
Peter, you ought to make a video for geometry teachers to show their students that illustrates, “Yes, it is indeed quite possible, you may use this again.” So relevant. Thank you so much!
Haha, thanks! 👍
Great information.I have just started as a wood working hobbyist and am learning a lot here on CZcams. Best wishes from India 🇮🇳.
Thank you, and best wishes from London! 👍
As voiced by others, since purchasing my track saw I seem to find more uses for it. I love the safety aspect for cutting sheet material and thin strips. I have the 36v Makita but am thinking about adding a corded version on the Festool, Makita and Triton track system. When I am working away from my shop, nothing beats a cordless tool. IMHO. But, in the shop having the cord attached to the hose is really pretty efficient. I am going to order some of the makita Strawbyte waste side jigs.
thanks for the tips on the partial bevel cuts. keep up the great videos I always learn something. Thanks Peter.
Thanks Marty! 👍👍
Thank you - It's time for me to advance my Festool track saw applications. I would very much appreciate a list of track accessories. You have provided a confidence boost to give it a go. Greetings from Downunder
Thanks Geoff! A lot will depend on what you want to do with it, and wether you have an MFT bench or MFT top, and also not sure what's available down under, so excuse me if I reply in generalities, rather than specific brands?
If you have an MFT then benchdogs are a must, a fence & flagstops very useful to have. A rail hinge is very useful, but the Dave Stanton dog locks are a great product and take up less space - and cost less too! Some horizontal clamps are very useful for holding things down - been using the Bessey ones (featured in my recent Gifts List video) and they work very well, without lifting the workpiece.
If you don’t have an MFT then a rail square is very useful, either bought or made, and / or parallel guides really help if you need to make regular rips of a consistent width. And rail clamps of course - always room for rail clamps, especially when any kind of a slip-up would be expensive!
Other than those, I think how you’re planning to use the saw would determine the best accessories; if you can give me some idea of that then I can probably come up with a few others, OK?
Hope that helps and thanks again! Peter
"...but Management decided..."
Been. Done. T-Shirt. A whole drawer full.
Excellent video. With a track saw and an MFT type system, you can do most things a table saw can.
One that stumps me is how to do an angled cut along the face of a board, as with a door threshold that has a slight ramp. On a table saw, you would put the board against the fence vertically. The blade would have a slight angle away from the fence.
Any idea if this type of cut is possible with a track saw plus your typical MFT type jigs?
Looking forward to the DIY MFT top video! I'm planning on getting rid of my small table saw and making the switch to full track saw mode
Nice! 👌👍
Oh when is this video out Peter?
When it’s ready. A few weeks maybe. 👍
Great stuff, thanks Peter, like you I love my track saw and use it daily, however many of these cuts would be far easier on a table saw,(not that I have one or the space for one!)thanks again and stay well,
Well, that’s the point really - they may be ‘easier’ on a table saw, but if you don’t have one or have space for one, or the budget for a decent one, then these cuts can be done, safely and easily. 👍👍
Fabulous content ! great delivery and clear VALUE . Know wonder you are living your dream.
Now please tell me what camera and lighting you use . I' m just starting out with a track saw and love it. I hope to use video to explain and demonstrate my design patents to market my ideas to manufactures .Learn from the best!
Thank you so much ! I am going to look at ALL your videos !!!
Thank you! I mostly use Panasonic LUMIX cameras (GH5 and G80) a GoPro 9 and my Phone. Rode microphones have worked well for me. And lighting is just from LED panels in the ceiling - I’m about to replace them, it they’ve lasted pretty well. Hope that helps! Peter. LED panels - czcams.com/video/TrukKsGFGO8/video.html
any ideas for cutting splines?
Thanks for these tips, I don't have space for a table saw and sometimes wonder how to achieve certain cuts with my track saw.
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter, awesome video as usual 👍. As a novice, making cuts with the track saw, on thin materials always worries me, as I didn’t really know the best way to achieve it. I was almost considering purchasing a job site track saw, pretty much for just that, as I don’t have a workshop. But you have now given me more confidence in using my track saw (Makita) and rails for doing this, especially as I love using my folding MFT workbench that I built with your plans. The only thing I need to find now, is a shorter piece of track, as my 1400mm long pieces are a bit of a nightmare at times. I think Makita do a 1000mm length, so may go for that.
Also, after watching your videos I purchased the BenchDogs Guide rail set, and will be getting their Square.
Keep up the amazing work, love watching your video with Denis from Hooked on Wood as well. His workshop looks amazing!
Thanks Steve! 👍👍
WOW. Great and helpful tips. Anymore with router and insertring?
I have a ‘router basics’ series planned, yes. 👍👍
A wedge jig like that track saw crosscut jig you made years ago would be very useful. It could have an adjustable stop. Would be nice to have on an install if you need more or a custom sized wedge
Thanks! 👍
As always, really well made and very useful video for the track saw users out there. I had wondered if there’s a safe way to make tapered legs using a track saw? It’s something I’ve seen done many times on a table saw, but it would be great if there was a way to do it without having to go down that particular route. And every way I can think of doing it with a track saw seems precarious, at best!
Thanks! Biggest issue with tapered legs - precarious-ness aside - is the depth of cut restricts you to fairly small-section legs! 👍
Nice use of using a stop to make the thin cuts in guessing it doesn't bind at all?
Thanks! And no, not at all. 👍
I had to watch this one twice, after watching it two times. I bought my rails used. That way I can pretend that little arc of shame at 7:00 was not mine.
The only rail I ever lent out. Never again. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter, I know exactly how you feel. I loaned my wife only out once, after that she's never been the same. Never again! 🤦♂️
Terrific tips! I bought my track saw after my table saw, so just to keep it from getting jealous, I do most those angle/bevel cut on it. Although, on smaller pieces the track saw does work a bit better. 👍
What am I missing re. partial bevel cut Peter - surely if using 45 degrees, the distance you overhang the track by is the same distance down from the top surface that you wish the bevel to start, as it makes a right angle isosceles triangle? Merry Christmas! 🎅🏻
Excellent video again Peter, and great timing too, as I'm considering a re-jig of my single garage and have been debating whether to get rid of my cheap Scheppach table saw (Lidl special). What are your thoughts on whether the table saw could be made redundant? Long narrow cuts. ripping timber such as pallet wood are the main things I can't realy see a better way of doing, apart from my bandsaw.
Thanks Alan. Honestly, I’m having the same debate; I have a table saw but don’t use it much. The ling, narrow rips are arguably the use-case - everything else I do on the tracksaw. I’ve done plenty of lkngvrios with the tracksaw, mind! 👍
Taping the support piece to the bit you're cutting is a good idea. I had a kickback incident trying to make a small cut off the side of a thin piece. I had a support beside it under the track but was leaning over the saw to see where to stop the cut and think I must have put some sideways pressure on the saw, the piece was able to shift and catch the blade. it was pretty scary, happened instantly and put a big gouge in my track. I think taping the bit being cut and the support together would have stopped it. (Also note the 'grippy' strips on the bottom of the makita track are quite far away from the cut). Lesson learned I hope.
Bit more info, this was an Erbauer saw on a 1.5m Makita track. The adjustment knobs are at their limit and I'm not 100% happy that there's no side to side movement of the saw on the track. Also the Festool riving knife would probably have stopped this happening. The 'safety' dilemma now is whether to upgrade to the Makita saw, or Festool. :-)
Ooch! Can give you a bit of a 'moment' if that happens! As I say in the vid a bevel cut is the one where I always recommend clamping the rail and the workpiece. Erbauer is a nice saw, but the Festool is a significant step up (from the Erbauer and the Makita, IMHO) if you can swing the extra £££. 👍
Really clever stuff - do you have any information on best ways to cut a bevel at greater than 45 degrees, say 60 degrees.
The large Festool HK saw will bevel at 60°, otherwise the only way I know is to chock the rail up with wedges. It’s not something I needed to do a lot, but if I did I’d make a bevel platform of some kind. 👍
I watched it twice! This material is gold! GOLD! :)
I am amazed about Festool precision with bevel cuts - the cutting line is the same as 90 degree cut. Do you know if Makita or Triton / MacAllister are the same in this regard ?
Thank you! That’s one of the true benefits of the Festool. Great question re the other saws - I’ll have to check tbh, but pretty sure they don’t. I do know that the Mafell doesn’t stay true, it it has an offset indicator. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop The Makita is the same as the Festool, mine cuts bevel on the splinter guard -spot on.
Oh Peter i stumbled across your channel, Fabulous. thank you so much for your tips.
What do you use for material as sacrificial underlayer ?
Thanks! It’s just scrap 6mm MDF - whatever I have to hand. 👍
brilliant Peter... It is 23:11 and I'm off to make some wedges!
Ha! Keep the noise down! 👍 And thanks! 🙌
@@10MinuteWorkshop not really going to do it tonight but I will certainly make a few now as I so often need wedges for doors and just to lift something a tiny bit incrementally etc. etc. It is too dangerous to do this on my mitre saw so, since I have been hankering over a track saw for a while, maybe this is the time to get one... just to make a few wedges and keep my fingers!
Anyway, I am up at 5 so best skedaddle orf to my slumber platz... I recommend the same for you at this unearthly hour btw!😂😂
The track saw king! I get a lot of inspiration from your videos Peter. And am constantly learning (albeit slowly 🤣) I have recently got a Bosch cordless track saw and it allows for -1 degrees and 46/47 degree bevels. I've never had to do a bevel cut like that before and am not really sure why you would need to, so I wanted to ask if you have? I can't find a lot online about it, so would really appreciate your tips! Thanks a lot Peter and happy 2023! (PS it looks like a saw cut across your rail has happened in the wedges video? Or maybe it's a trick of the light. Anyway, this happened to me not long ago, the saw I was using kicked back on a twist in the wood and hey presto I had a beautiful long bite taken out of my track 😂Nothing a bit of filing didn't fix though 😅)
Thanks! Negative cuts are sometimes used when you need a slight bevel, but can’t flip the work, or when the saw gets in the way eg trimming flooring against a wall - you can get tighter to the wall with the saw body canted over a bit. Don’t think I’ve ever used the feature, though most plunge saws have it. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you Peter
I think I need an MFT. I've made plenty of these cuts before but it's always more awkward than it needs to be.
How about cutting half lap joints?