Pioneer 1000 Dual Battery Install
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2017
- A Pioneer 1000's stock battery is good for...well...a stock machine. But I don't plan on keeping it that way for long. As such I'm installing a dual battery set up for any future electrical add on's.
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Thank you for posting these videos, I own a 2020 Honda Pioneer 1000-5 deluxe and installing a dual battery also after reviewing your video. Thanks again and keep em coming, you're a delightful person and love to watch and listen to your video's.
Have the exact same setup on my non-Honda SxS, it works very well. When I get my Pioneer I will keep the extra battery and isolator. I also got an Oddesey battery for the main battery when it went south, so I have 2 of them - tons of juice!
I work at Interstate Battery, occasionally I get people asking me about this kind of setup. Since I am NOT an expert ... I can appreciate this video and understand how to better answer people's questions when they are considering this setup. THANKS:-)!
If someone is looking to add a second battery for an off road machine, a dry cell battery is best. With no acid or water in the battery it can be mounted anywhere in any position without having to worry. Also bouncing around off road won’t cause it to spill any liquid either.
From the looks of it, it's pretty much the same deep cell we sell to people for their gas powered golf carts. Those are maintenance free, and pretty rugged. I asked the customer if they might want an AGM deep cycle...but honestly there's not enough room by the looks of it in this video to mount one under the hood.
StormLaker1975 some guys mount a bigger battery under the drivers seat but most use the spot under the hood. I believe that spot is actually made for the Honda heater but it’s perfect size for the kind of battery I used. A maintenance free battery for a golf cart like you mentioned should work just fine.
Thanks for posting this video. I plan to install a full size battery on my 2016 Can-Am Maverick Max. I have the same isolator but wasn't sure on how to hook it up.
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I added the same battery and put six fuse box (marine)to run off second battery and two volt meters works great
I have a 2021 1000-5 SE, ill be adding the duel setup sometime this winter. Seems like you have more space under the hood compared to my SE. Once i gather all my parts i'll post an installation vid as well. Good video, love the channel
Thanks for making this video!
This seems to be a great set up. Thankyou for this Video. I went and ordered the same components . Just wondering if the stinger solenoid that other people add to the same system as you did is necessary Thanks. GOOD JOB.
That's it? you sold me!!
Watched this video and made me put a dual system on my P500 worked out great now I have a local spot for all my acc
Need a how to video for the 500 or 520 pioneer. Placement of battery & fuse block.
Thanks for the quick response and I enjoy your videos.
Watched few of your videos and they've been very helpful, so thanks for the time to post em. I've also subscribed so I may learn additional information that may be helpful in the future. As for the 2nd battery install, I've thought about it ever since I purchased my P1K back in 2016 when they were 1st introduced. That said, I was one of the many which had some bad luck with my clutch issues. The dealer had replaced them twice under warranty and this recent (3rd.) time was under the "recall" policy. However, since then it has caused the machine to shut down randomly for no reason with a (#62 code). They're looking into it at the dealer currently. Nonetheless I think I will definitely be adding a 2nd battery once I get my machine back. I do have a question though, do they make a tie down for the 2nd battery or is it necessary since it kinda sit way down in there? I was thinking if it ever rolled over, it may be a problem. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Ok cool, nice video. I'd actually like to see that set up for the tie down. Also, I have not been able find much on low power impacting the clutch plates. Do you know of any links? Tnx.
I’d like to add a second battery in my 2019 Yamaha Wolverine X2 . I’m thinking the same set up should work fine. I’m running a 30 led light bar and will be adding 2 more maybe 3 lights. 2 pods and a small 12 or 15” bar light. Since I use this machine for mostly plowing I certainly don’t want to kill my battery by over working the electronics. Great video.
Yep, as long as you can find or make a place to mount a battery you can do it the same way!
How’s it going! Love the video, just got me a 2018 Pioneer-3. I’m about to add a battery and I ran across your vid. How’s that odyssey extreme treating you? Do you like it??
Well, while I had it it worked great but I sold the 1000 over a year ago so can report on the long term
It appears from the video that the negative terminal on your secondary battery ( when in place) is on the passenger side. I panicked for minute, and wondered if I had messed up when I saw my wiring was the reverse of yours! I have the Odyssey Extreme PC925, but my negative terminal is on the driver's side.
Wish there was a video that starts with absolutely no add ons so you can follow easier, in this case there is a winch solenoid added. So how does it install without that?
I bought the same kit as you. Where did you put the relay? How do you hook it to the ignition switch?? Did you install the voltage meter?
ok I think iam ready to order the stuff I need...
Does anything get run to the ignition? Im ordering the same setup for my 1000-5.
I’ve bough a Warn winch Axon. The winch installation manual says to attach one of the wires to the ignition switch but it doesn’t specify to which of the 4 wires. The ignition switch is sealed, therefore I can’t test each individual wire to find the correct one. Do you know which wire (color) should use?
I just ordered this same setup for my 1K5 and I have a couple questions. The ground that comes prewired, do I run it to the negative on aux battery? And the black ground that comes with the isolator...do I connect it to the ground on aux battery as well?
Do I need one if I am adding just led light s
Did you hook up the dual volt meter or just the dual battery and isolator? You don't need the dual volt meter I suppose but was just curious how you did your setup.
The "new" True isolater has a "Remote Crank Disconnect". It allows a bypass of the isolater when cranking (according to the mfg). I have been trying to figure out is a +V or Grnd is needed to bypass the isolater. I would like to put a toggle on the dash, in case it is needed. The vendor will not return my emails.
Do you happen to know what it needs?
Also, BTW - I ordered the same battery that is in my Harley (2009 UC). It fit fine and if my bike battery ever gives out, I have a replacement on hand.
Thanks.
Does the ground wires have to run to winch solenoid? If not how else can it be hooked up thanks
Gday from downunder, you got any vids or advice for a dual battery setup in a 2020 Pioneer 700. My battery is under the seat with no space as per your 1000 setup. Any of your subscribers got some pics and advice be much appreciated. Cheers
Are you or have you already added a second battery to the Cat? a video on that would be awesome.....
The videos you do are great. Was wondering when using the dual battery set-up what would you need to hook up a second fuse panel off the second battery?
Tyler Rohr that's super simple too. You would need the fuse panel, obviously, and the main power wire to run to the second battery it's self. You will need to tap into a "Key On" power source as well to tell the fuse panel when to turn on. Here is were you can find one hondasxs.com/threads/key-on-power-illumination-and-backup-source-honda-pioneer-1000.4013/ . To finish things up you would just need to run a ground wire for the second fuse panel. You could run a wire back to the neg of either batter or just find a good spot on the frame and use a self tapping screw depending on the location you mount the second panel. If you ground directly to the frame it's a good practice to sand the paint off the frame to make sure you have good metal to metal contact for the groud. You can always hit it with a bit of paint once the ground wire is attached to keep it from rusting.
Ok thanks!!
did you put a stinger in also?
How does the secondary battery get charged? I have a 2016 Pioneer 1000 EPS (MS3).
Any issues hooking up a battery tender with your dual battery setup? Which set of terminals do you hook it up to and will one tender keep both batteries charged?
I ran a battery tender this winter with no issues. I just hooked it up to the main battery. Not exactly sure if it keeps both charged though. The isolator keeps from charging the second battery if the main battery needs it and keeps accessories from draining off the main battery if the second gets low while still allowing the second battery to charge so I would think it would allow the battery to charge off the tender but someone more knowledgeable than me will have to chime in to say for sure.
How to hook up a battery tender on To battery system with isolator
The the alternator's only gonna put out so many volts.. I do not think the alternator will charge both batteries to a full charge ?
Wondering if using that same battery has the compartments for where we believe Honda designed a second battery to go are they different in size? I have a 2016 deluxe 5 seater an the battery compartment seems smaller? The 18 also ? In the vid I believe that's a 17? Any input your aware there sizes are different?
chadd marsh I do have a 17 and that spot is not actually made for a second battery but for the Honda factory heater. The Battery used just happens to be the perfect size to fit when turned on its side. As far as I know there is no difference in design between the different model years
Hi! Im a battery novice and I have a 2016 pioneer so I don’t see that mine came with an extra Ground wire. How would You suggest I put a ground wire for the aux battery?
How do you like the Odyssey battery? Has it worked out good for you? I am thinking about getting one. I have the exact same battery isolator how is it doing for you? I have not installed it yet?
It worked great. Granted I didn’t have anything to tax my electrical system other than the winch but with the second battery I hadn’t had the large voltage drop I had when running just one battery. The odyssey is what 98% of the guys running a second battery are using so that speaks for its self...lol.
You would definitely need to engineer a battery hold down bracket.
I used industrial strength Velcro’s the bottom of the battery to hold mine in place. Worked great till the bitter cold of winter then the adhesive started to let loose. I will probably just go ahead and make a bracket now to hold it down n place
hey great info, does the 500 follow the same steps? plow salter lights? 500 has pretty small bat.???
And................should Bat #2 need to be identical? bigger OK? will alternator charge both bat well?
Yep, to run a dual battery on the 500 it would be set up the same way. A bigger battery would be ok as the job of the isolator is to keep the battery’s “separate” from each other. The isolator won’t charge the second battery if the primary needs the charge and it will also keep from draining the primary dead if the second battery’s dies. For ease of finding a spot to install it would be the main factory in going with a bigger battery. The charging system, which isn’t and alternator but a magneto, will be able to keep up with two batteries fine.
Voltage drop problems are alternator related ... Batteries only become an issue if the motor is not running . Load always prefers the alternator .
Paul Lambert that maybe true for your typical car or truck but ATV’s and UTV’s don’t have alternators. It’s a completely different kind of charging system.
AppalachianMountainRiders .
Well I’ll be damned . I fire up my 2008 Honda Foreman ... head lights on, hand warmers on , tail light too ... take the positive off the battery and runs just perfect ... headlights get brighter as you rev it up ...
so yes this Utv Quad obviously has a stator,rotor etc
My 2017 Honda Pioneer 1000/5 shuts off right away ...
So I get why adding another battery makes sense ... we don’t have a choice !!!
The ignition can’t run without the battery ... Silly Silly Honda .
Good to know now .
Guess I should look at the wiring schematics on this nfg system.
Regards
Paul
Yep, you got it! I know they use a magneto and stator system to keep things compact but with the accessories people add now a days with lights and sounds systems, a magneto system has a hard time keeping up.
On a side note, you should never run an atv with the battery unhooked. You’ll fry the stator...ask me how I know...lol.
What’s the point of the isolator?
The charging system is big enough to keep both batteries fully charged? I run dual batteries in my Jeep JKU.
Easily!
I'm planning on buying a P1K5 LE in the near future. I'll be adding the heater because I'll be using it year round. Are you saying that the heater will go in that hole? If so, where could I put a second battery?
In reading the install notes for the Honda Signature heater it details that the mount location is under the driver's seat so this shouldn't be an issue if you utilize the factory unit. The other after market heaters I've researched DO call for installing in the under hood bay that most owners use for the dual battery setup. Hope this helps!
Good afternoon. I bought exactly what you installed in the video. I have 1 question. The blue light in the isolator stays on. Is that normal?
I thought the same thing when I first hooked mine up...lol. It does go out but takes several minutes.
Did you add a spacer to make it fit tighter or just tie it down?
Ronald Butler I used an industrial strength Velcro on the bottom with a a piece of wood wedged in the side...lol. Worked great till the cold this winter. Now I noticed the adhesive of the Velcro is letting loose. Going to have to come up with something better figuring I’m putting Walker Evans shocks on so you can bet she’ll be getting some air during testing!
At around 7:30 mark on your video, where you sum up the job, you didn't explain what the black wire from the + on the new battery is going to... is that going to the winch solenoid? You have a red + going to the isolator... and the black + looping back towards the firewall... what is the black + going to? I know nothing about electrical and your video is going to be very helpful once I figure that out. Im running a warn 4500 winch on a P1K5LE 2017
Sandy McKinnon your are correct. The second black wire on the auxiliary battery + terminal is the power wire for my winch and runs to the winch solenoid just behind the aux battery.
@@AppalachianMountainRiders what if you don't have a winch solenoid yet? The black wire they provide with the isolater is not long enough to go to the negative on the main battery.
Now I am stuck.
I want to install a duel battery set up on my pioneer 500 but I would have to mount the battery under the hood and you no where the main battery is. Any ideas.
Tommy Scruggs I have seen some build a tray for under the drivers seat for one. It really wouldn’t take that much more to mount it under the hood. You would just need longer cables to tie the batteries together. Check out hondasxs.com and search for duel battery setups for the P5 for some ideas. Lots of good info there!
AppalachianMountainRiders ok thanks.
Is the extra ground wire that is already provided a big black wire with blue tape on the end on the driver side
I was just wondering if that's it
Yep. That’s it
Just so I got it...you moved your winch power cables to the axillary battery? I'll be doing the same setup
jcsilverado yep. That keeps from draining the main battery down to low for the transmission to have enough power.
AppalachianMountainRiders cool thanks. I noticed too how the machine "jerks" when lowering and dropping the plow with the winch while moving. This would explain it. Thanks again! Btw..gotta love Amazon!
Enjoyed the video. I have an RMax 1000-4 . I’ve already added a fuse box , circuit breaker, wip lights, side view mirror lights , exogear sound bars(2) and subwoofer, and a single light bar. I also have rock lights (8) I haven installed yet. According to my adventure pro. If everything is on I maintain 13.8-14volts , so still in the green zone. This is only for 10-20 seconds lol . I know this is a lot of accessories so I’m thinking of adding a second battery under my driver seat. I would like to do this with as little re wiring as possible. How would I do this and also use a isolator. Thanks in advance
I have a video where I added one under the seat of my Rmax 4. I’ll find it a comment the link
Yamaha Rmax 1000-4 Second Battery Install
czcams.com/video/L7LcfeOX7_8/video.html
I am looking at purchasing a 2017 pioneer 1000. He said in a previous video at the 16th, and 17th, had some issues with the transmissions and shifting and going out. But they made a fix I would I know if this one has been updated or fixed? Is it some thing that they should've done at the dealership under warranty?
It was done as a recall for 16’ and 17’ model years free of charge. You should be able to take the vin to the dealer and see if it’s been done.
I just did a dual setup. The light on the isolator turned on when I fired up the Honda, but when I turned it off the light stayed illuminated. Think I messed something up or is it just charging the other battery??
It took mine several minutes to go off after I shut the pioneer off but it should eventually go off. If it doesn’t then there may be an issue
Its been 5 years since you have posted this video about the Odyssey PC925. I am curious as to how that battery is holding up today. And if you would recommend Odyssey to this day?
I couldn’t tell you that cause I no longer have the P1k. I sold it roughly a year after making this video.
BUUUUUUT…I have a oddessy battery as a second battery in my Pioneer 500 for a couple years now and still going strong. I used it mainly to power the oiling system for the turbo system I made so it was getting continual use while the machine was running.
So does that isolator make sure the 2nd battery gets charged but none of the accessories draw any power from the main battery?
Yep. As long as you have all your accessories hooked up to the second battery.
I have been looking into adding another battery but this one does not appear to fit a 2018 P1k5 my second battery area is 6.625" by 5.25". The PC925 is 6.64 X5.83 ? is the area for a second battery smaller in a 2018 vs a 2016?
David Sears that I don’t know. As far as I know there have been no major changes. What specific model P1k do you have?
I have a 2018 and I installed the 925 today. It fits
What is the part number for the battery
So watching this, does your winch now draw from your secondary battery instead of your primary?
Yes it does.
Just wondering if this will over charge ur battery if ur not running anything
Nope. That’s what the isolator is for and why you have to use one when running a dual battery setup.
Mine is a 2016, so I'm guessing it doesn't come with the ground wire your 2017 has. Where would I connect that?
Unfortunately the 16’s don’t have the factory installed ground. Any point to the frame will work but I no longer have the 1000 to see if there is a nearby bolt in a frame member you can utilize. Make sure, it’s an area of the frame that’s painted, you sand a little spot of the paint off to get good metal to metal contact.
What year is your pioneer
Hope long do the wires need to be for second battery, please?
Dr. Mark in Texas He has a link for the kit to Amazon
Can not find odesy Batts anywhere are they no more? is the Yuasa equivalent as good?
Amazon has lots of Odyssey batteries
Do you have the same issues with the 500? As far as needing a second battery to shift or run additional accessories?
Am I ok to put a trickle charger on this setup with the isolator?
Yep. I always did during winter
Any chance you have a list of everything you used?
snayke1973 I added links to everything I used to the description. I meant to do that after I uploaded but hadn't gotten around to it till now...lol.
thanks bro. I really like you video's
Man, you should bag those grass clippings. You're gonna get mold. Sorry, bad habit. ;)
Have you tried a duel battery on the 500
Chilo Villasenor not yet but I will be adding one this year as part of my P5 build. I’m going to install an onboard air compressor so I’ll need the extra juice!
Does the charging system of the Pioneer keep up with the two batteries?
Yes
Where did you get all this stuff and part numbers? Thanks
Look in the vid description
Is there a battery hold down for the secound battery?
No. You’ll have to make one. I used heavy duty Velcro on the bottom of the battery and it actually worked really good…lol
I need your help.. I want the setup like you have...not good at wiring at all... do I need the battery isolator, blade switch, stinger, extra fuse box, relay, I will be running my radio, led pod lights, and maybe getting a winch. can you help? thanks, Gary
Gary voigt battery isolator you definitely need and I do recommend a fuse box as it makes hooking up multiple accessories much easier and simpler. The rest strictly depends on your preference but for what you’re wanting to run aren’t a necessity
Why is the battery not strapped down?
I didn't have one made yet. I do now though.
Looks like you have the common ground hooked up to the pos. terminal of aux battery...?..mistake..?
The common ground is hooked up to the ground terminal on the winch solenoid. The positive terminal of the auxiliary battery is the red wire that runs to the battery isolated. I’m not sure what you’re looking at.
Ted Chamut I see what your seeing now. That black wire is what is sending power to the winch solenoid. The way I have it hooked up the wires weren’t long enough so I had to switch some around. Good eye though and good question. The black wire is acting as my power supply wire to the winch.
I have and not working properly
Does the pioneer 700 have this problem
I don’t believe it does but it doesn’t have a DCT like the 1000.
It isn't advisable to run a lead acid battery in conjunction with an AGM battery in a dual battery setup you should only run like batteries in this case .
Wouldn’t that be true if it wasn’t isolated. I could see if you were adding another battery in which is tied to the same system. Idk I’m just wondering if that would be the case or not
What does the isolator do ?
It isolates the main battery from the second battery and does two things. First, in the event the second battery gets completely drained it prevents your accessories from draining the main battery till it dies. Second, it ensures that the main battery is always charged first before charging the second battery.
Why not just parallel attach?
Then your draining both batteries down at the same time which could leave you stranded. The point of an isolator isn’t to make sure your main battery never drains completely down and to make sure it’s the battery that gets charged first.
Help
I have a pioneer 1000-5 2016
I am putting in a second battery but there is a box on mine that I don't see in your video.
Why dual batteries why not just one heavier duty battery ??????
Good question! If you upgrade to a heavier duty battery you’re still running everything off ONE battery. So should you happen to run that battery dead, worst case scenario out on the trail, you are done and hopefully there is someone with you to either jump start you or tow you home. With a second battery running all your accessories, if it goes dead all you loose is power to the accessories but your main battery will be fine. You’ll still have power to start and get home! Always better to run a second battery for any electronics you add instead of running everything off the battery that’s also responsible for getting you home!
hello are you there? please respond...
WAY overly complicated and absolutely no reason to do it like that. All you have to do is buy a dual battery switch and that’s all there is to it!!! And a dual battery switch offers MANY more options then your way :) Google “dual batteries the easy way” Honda sxs forum
can you help please... please answer my message... thanks, Gary
Gary voigt Gary voigt battery isolator you definitely need and I do recommend a fuse box as it makes hooking up multiple accessories much easier and simpler. The rest strictly depends on your preference but for what you’re wanting to run aren’t a necessity
well I guess you have gone radio silent... I have unsubscribed to your channel... another idiot who only wishes to answer to certain people... so sad this world has gotten to that point...
Excuse me, but I answered your questions so if you didn’t see them well...🤷🏻♂️. My life doesn’t revolve around CZcams and I don’t always get notified of comments.
What’s sad is this world is full of such touchy people who get their feelings hurt way to easily.