@Kyle Clay he has face it lol her sword isn't doing anything to Thor whatsoever he survived atom splitting attacks before can survive in the core of the sun and atom splitting would just amp him lol hell he can reverse atoms i have scans lol Nuclear energy is energy in the nucleus (core) of an atom. Atoms are tiny particles that make up every object in the universe. ... In nuclear fission, atoms are split apart to form smaller atoms, releasing energy. Nuclear power plants use nuclear fission to produce electricity.
@Kyle Clay he even survived decay touch point blank to the neck no problem Radioactive decay is the process by which an unstable atomic nucleus loses energy by radiation. A material containing unstable nuclei is considered radioactive. Three of the most common types of decay are alpha decay, beta decay, and gamma decay, all of which involve emitting one or more particles or photons. Here sword isn't doing anything here.
There is no match here Thor is simply stronger, faster, tougher, and more Godlike. It should of been Shazam vs Thor at least that would have been a close bout, but this isn’t even fair for WW
Patron de Tiburones Unless you’re using Rune King Thor which you’d need to use Godwave Wonder Woman, this is an interesting matchup whether you like it or not. Lore of both verses
@@agoranottoman1663 wtf are you babbling about boi, all I said was that we weren't currently using those versions 😁😁😁 lol, sooooooooooo..........................
So if wonder woman can only be hurt by piercing and cutting weapons, yet she's been defeated by doomsday via mostly blunt force, how is it that mjolonir can't kill her it is even capable of killing thor who is more durable than her!?
Sir Splash Eh I don’t know about all that lol. He wouldn’t be laughing if he encountered DC Zeus or DC Ares. She punched the fuck outta Nekron who was legit staggered and could barely gather himself. Or even Briareos who is stronger than even Cronus and Atlas, and she broke his grip, staggered him and his horn. He might end up looking like someone that has a migraine while looking into bright light
Deathbattle took her invulnerability way to seriously and forgot that Diana has been beaten with blunt force and characters have even broke her bones with sheer force alone.
Joseph Brown -Wonder Woman literally snapped the Scepter DC Cronus had, which was strong enough to contain the Godwave, the cosmic energy force that created the Speed Force, the Quantum Realm, the Oans and the various pantheons of the outversal DC god pantheons that literally exist OUTSIDE of time and space. Beings within the Sphere of the Gods are at the least the Platonic concept of Time and Space which includes DC Greek Gods. After Cronus literally just bitched the various pantheons Greek Gods, Roman gods, the Mexican gods, the Hindu gods, and angels there’s more but you get the picture in the Heaven realm who were all skyfather (at the very least multiversal level characters). Wonder Woman, blitzing his Scepter away from him, she SNAPPED THE SCEPTER like a twig. A small portion of it housed at destructive aftermath to where the regular multiverse and the other dimensional existences shook from its explosion. And she was fine after the explosion. Imagine a FULL Godwave -She and Superman shook the entire infinite Heavens fighting. This was before the creation energies of Krona. -She took the full power of Zeus who was furious and trying to kill or at least break her and got out uninjured. This dude killed killed Kane Milohai, the Hawaiian god of the Heavens who created a universe in his hands casually and as mentioned by her skyfather daughter Pele, could create billions of them. And this was in Kane’s realm. Thor would get bitched real good by DC Zeus -She had the take the Infinite weight and power of the Skyfather DC Greek pantheon AND the Godwave, falling upon her and she was able to withstand it and its explosion after she deflected the entirety of it with no injuries. -She gets hit and walks off blasts from the Quantum Zealot who was stated to being more powerful than the 5 Dimensional Imps. Mr. Mxytplk, the most infamous of them just casually messing around almost inadvertently destroyed all multiverses in DC. The Quantum Zealot showed power over that! -Wonder Woman has entered the Speed Force under her own power. And the flash has stated it is required that you need to be massively faster than light to enter the Speed Force. But also deflected the TRILLIONS of pieces the Shattered God spawned out throughout the cosmos all pretty routinely too -She’s staggered and tanked hits from the Shattered God who can casually destroy and restart all creation in a single move. And it literally took DC Zeus freeing the pantheons of the Sphere of the Gods, and himself being juiced up by the other pantheons to defeat him. -She’s also punched the crap out of Nekron to where he just couldn’t gather himself, he was that staggered. He easily scales to multiversal. Considering he’s the cosmic embodiment of death and the fact that he fought White Lantern Sinestro literally became one with the White Light Entity. -Also I’d like to point out that she, with the help of Superman and Green, was able to successfully bear the weight of the unconscious Spectre who has eternal/infinite weight (The official definition of eternity doesn’t in the slightest apply to the scan at all, if that’s the case, Marvel’s Eternity is the measurement of Time which is total joke material). And this was while enduring his magic! -Also the fact that she defeated and killed the 2 Hecatonchires god creature brothers Cottus and Briareos, who both in surpass the Titans, including Atlas who literally carries the infinite cosmos on his shoulders. And also she tanked at least 4 hits from Briareos and remained able bodied and focused. -Even in a weaked state from a magical charm, winded Konvict, who as stated by Superman, was tanking his shots that would shatter planets. -Or simply entering the Speed Force Which the Flash states that surpassing the speed of light is required if you’re connected to it. -Also the 1/3 pulling Earth feat was because of a magical encounter that rendered them in a weakened state. -She was also tanking full furious shots from Kane Milohai’s angry skyfather daughter Pele who stated by herself strikes much harder than Superman and also she wasn’t even seriously injured either. She just fought back while holding back on her in order to apologize to her and repair their relationship. -Or the feat where she defeated and killed Nemesis in HER realm! Nemesis bitched the ENTIRE pantheon of DC Olympus, which includes DC Ares and DC Zeus who were way above the skyfather level. They just left hope from Wonder Woman to succeed and fled. Nemesis was also an extremely op character and reality warping goddess. Thor would have no chance with her. -Even without her powers, out skilled Beowulf who is stronger than at least 30 men. He was scared, where he was thinking “oh my gosh! She’s good, she might kill me!” Punched him square in the face and he just stopped. She bitched him. -Or even has tagged and blitzed Reverse Flash who is almost as fast as the Flash. Which is ridiculously impressive -She’s outskilled the likes of Achilles also. If you don’t know Achilles, read up on the Iliad by Homer. There is so much more i can list of feats that Wonder Woman has, but yeah. Thor and Wonder Woman could go either way honestly. However giving them certain forms, artifacts, and techniques that they acquired could tip the odds in one’s favor. Example- Godwave, Rune King Thor, Power Gem, Odyssey….
@@agoranottoman1663 I never said wonder woman was weak, I just said she wouldn't defeat thor. Although her feats are impressive, they still cant hold a candle to thor's feats. Thor still have better feats in each category. And still should defeats her in a fight.
I love how they didn’t even mention the God Blast which I would understand if it was just a basic strange not used very often attack but forgetting a characters most powerful attack is completely unacceptable for a channel as big as Death Battle
U know different writers and different powers. Some people keep forgetting his godvlast or matter desintergration or BFR techniques or keep forgetting Thor really can fly on his own ( not on Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Martians, Wonder Woman lvl ) but can levitate or travel across space. Some current versions are nerfed but some are OP.
Like even in movies/shows. MCU Thor was from unexplained reasons nerfed to oblivion after IW or Hulk constantly is being nerfed. Same like in CW Steel, Firestorm ( such badasses arre being ruined ), Arrow ( moral code appears so is not that killer anymore ), Flash ( biggest live action jobber ever ),Constantine are being nerfed
They always do that dumb shit, meanwhile they sure gotta include swords that, not only broke, but weren't even a part of her normal arsenal. How tf you gunna forget an ability one carries at all times but bring up a fucking maybe weapon that shouldn't exist anymore lol, unless they went with the new version which like he said just makes her weaker. So dumb. It's pretty clear they either suck at doing research and just pretend they're doing it, or they just simply got a grudge against marvel characters.
When Diana lifted Thor's hammer she said she had never felt such power before Thor's fault against a Pantheon of 10000 guys and survive she's not even in his weight class period
I know this technically isn't canon, but does anyone else know about the time Wonder Woman lifted Thor's hammer, and said she had never felt anything like it before?
She did this in Marvel vs DC, a completely non canon crossover. She found it after it was launched away from Thor when he interrupted Captain Marvel's SHAZAM lightning with Mjolnir and she was able to pick it up. She didn't use it for her fight with Storm though as she wanted a fair fight even if the fate of her universe was at stake. Later, Mjolnir gets knocked out of Thor's hand again and she picks it up for him and he's like "Thanks...wait a minute...". Cool moment but it wasn't canon. The semi-canon Avengers vs Justice League, she never attempted to pick it up and Superman was only worthy for a limited amount of time because Odin allowed him to be so in that crossover, no DC character was shown to be worthy.
@@rob20ist it was boy supes.... not man supes.... still boy supes shouldn't had lost, they atleast gave reasoning to some fights, like wolverine's adamantium being an kryptonite for lobo, which is dumb and cool at the same time, but then we have batman defating cap by throwing a batarang... and storm defeating ww...
Oh man i could just imagine wonder woman summoning the lighting of zeus and firing it at thor and thor just absorbs it and fires it back a hundred times stronger that would be awesome
@@imstrongerthanyouthink9966 the thing is that Thor has fought both zues and hurcules and dc only has greek mythology,while marvel has greek and norse mythology and if the strongest god and the god of strenth get outclassed by the god of thunder,than wonder woman strenth wouldnt really matter
@@godspeedforce9371 Well see when Powerscaling and comparing people from different verses you can't just compare what they represent. You have to look at their feats and how they scale, like Thor scales above the world tree and close to beings like Odin and Galactus. Meaning he is Low Outerversal in power. While wonder woman scales to superman, who has feats that put him at Outerversal
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 no WW is much faster You’re a Thor fan so it makes sense you’ll be in denial Thor is stronger tho But combat speed goes to WW
@@legendary3952 uhm combat speed hell no cough cough lol she's slower in combat speed and travel speed hell Thor speed feats shit on flash and superman who is faster than wonder woman in combat speed lol Thor is leagues more durable stronger more versatile faster and more powerful and experienced than wonder woman could ever hope to be lol when wonder woman can keep up with flash like shazam at full speed then she comparable lol as for now she gets beat to death and ko'd by bizarro superman who dosent even compare to Thor, lol Thor stomps show me wonder woman crossing a universe apart or multiverse apart in seconds I'll wait lol oh yeah she dosent have that speed Thor stomps yes I have scans 👀👀💯😂
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 flash and superman who is faster than Wonder Woman in combat” WTF WWA is perhaps he most fast person in any medium in terms of combat Very few are faster Superman and flash are slow in combat I love how you wrote a thesis demonstrating how much of a beta male fanboy you are ready to brown nose Thor yet you fail to show scans Show me them comic panels
@Micah Williamson I know I'm late but that's not even close to thors strongest feats. He lifted ygdrassil which contains infinite universes (and a universe in marvel is transifinite and has infinite timelines and infinite dimensions and alternate universes so he was basically lifting infinite multiverses ) and he also lifted a book that has infinite pages. he also has a true form that is above dimension so that's already outerversal. And he caused chaos in the 9 realms which are universes .and he is even stronger now that hes allfather and fought against knull who defeated celestials and created the all black necro sword . And this is some of the worst down play I've ever seen did you just put galactus at low multiversal when he easily beats celestial and celestials are above creation which has realms that are outerversal,the celestials are easily outerversal . Galactus should be like mid outerversal .and wonderwoman is stronger than star lvl she consistently goes against superman and characters like that who are easily above multiversal. Green lanterns rings have been stated to be able to shape multiple universes and wonderwoman is about on that lvl .
When Wonder Wonder moved the Earth she did it with the help of Superman and Martian Man hunter where Thor removed the Midgard Serpent from the Earth all by himself.
Honestly even without this video I know they low balled Thor and I am sure they did the same for Wonder Woman too. When I watched this episode, these were my thoughts. "Thor has tagged Quicksilver" Thor has fought people far faster than Quicksilver, why are you bringing up that slug of a speedster? Thor has kept up with Superman in the semi-canon Avengers vs Justice League as well as several Superman clones from Marvel. Only bringing up Quicksilver would be like having Goku in Death Battle for a third time and only bringing up how he held on to Radditz for a strength feat, he's fought stronger people. "Wonder Woman is stronger because she helped move a planet." It took three people to do this feat, meanwhile Thor has moved a planet by accident just by arm wrestling Hercules. Three people trying their hardest to move a planet vs two people doing it on accident, I think the latter one is more impressive. Also, they messed up the hammer feat because it went to the edge of the galaxy and back in 60 seconds, not just to the edge so its double the speed. They correct that in the latest one but its still a stupid thing to miss. Hell, the panel they use, I am pretty sure it shows Mjolnir returning within the 60 seconds and it even says it went there and back so they apparently can't read. I have also seen a good argument for why Wonder Woman's swords wouldn't do much, the argument using power scaling to show that Wolverine's claws may be sharper than an atom slicing weapon. They showed a panel where someone with an atom cutting spear tried to cut Thanos and he blocked it with his hand, then showed a panel where Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet gets slashed by Wolverine and it does more damage, and Thor has taken slashes from Wolverine's claws. That already makes it seem unlikely that such a weapon would really do much. They also show a panel where when Wonder Woman cuts an atom with the sword, it makes a nuclear explosion and it seems both her and New 52 Superman are seriously injured by that. If she can be hurt by that, then Thor should decimate her. I am not sure who would actually when if you used their base forms at their strongest, I just know they lowballed them both, especially Thor. I didn't need this video to show me that but it just makes it even more obvious.
As a thor fan I agree. When they failed to bring up Hyperion silver surfer gladiator I was like great knew they would fuck that up. They also should not take certain feats into consideration when they don’t make no fucking sense like when they brought up wonderwomen women catching zoom when he was traveling through time. Wonder women should of not of even been aware of zooms presence. Ether way death battle should get graphic novels of these characters and do research. Wonder women is powerful and fast but nothing thor could not handle especially in the strength department. He’d easily break her arm with a squeeze like Superman did to her wrist.
I think when Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Man hunter moved the Earth Superman was doing most of the work because Superman has moved the Earth all by himself.
Considering wonderwomen is nothing to thor she would not fair any better. Deathbattle pretty much lowballed both thor strength and speed while high balling wonderwomen not on purpose I’m sure.
It’s actually pathetic how weak WW is, in terms of feats, compared to Superman and Batman (a guy who’s supposed to be more grounded). For Supes and Bats have reached multiversal to outerversal levels of feats, yet Diana is at best planetary...so much for being a whole 3rd of The Holy Trinity. Definitely the most underrated of the 3 (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman).
It would be a decent fight, but Thor is a God and Wonder Woman is a Demi-God (Daughter of Zeus and human Amazonian mother), half sister to Hercules. So Thor being a full God himself already puts him ahead of Diana. If they want a better matchup for a female opponent for Thor then Supergirl would be better.
@@chadd587 in the mcu they are just some weird aliens that came to earth some day protected a couple of Viking's and were considered gods but in comics they are actual gods
@@Youfattyboy Odin said they are not gods. They are not immortal. They don't fit the criteria for gods. Diana is the god killer. Only god's can kill gods.
You forgot to add my intelligent friend the 20 planets feat wasn't durability. He held the beam from the celestial up with one hand and attacked with the other, so meaning Thor benched 20 planets with one hand in a sense, and with math. Thor can lift 40 planets, because 20 each arm. He then has a belt of strength that doubles his power. So 80 planets now, then his warriors madness which increases his strength by ten. So Thor can lift 800 planets!!!!
You forgot something that would shame her strenght he broke a celestials armour with mjolnir amd also thor has been stabbed all the way trough the heart thor has fought 1000 of years before ww was born in battles were most people had swords honestly the death battle would end when thor lost it and pounded ww to in the ground
@Darius Doolittle Thor has fought against Galactus and the celestials, who are multiversal beings. Thor easily wins. Also, since when could the Shattered God be able to destroy all of creation?
@Darius Doolittle Thor's Godblast can kill multiversal+ beings, and he's taken hits from the Celestials who are multiversal+. Furthermore, show me the scan where Wonder Woman tanked this combined attack.
@Darius Doolittle That's nice and all, but Thor has been consistently shown to be more powerful than wonder woman. And wonder woman was practically crying in the panel.
Both were nerfed AF. They are too powerful to discuss who is mightier. In my opinion she is more powerful than Supes. In my opinion at base forms thor wins 6.5/10 but in super modes Diana 6/10. Braselett off is more impressive than Warrior Madness. Don't listen to SA and it's comment sections because i am losing my mind doing this. DanCo is better researcher.
@@supercorppridelgbtequality4380 even without her bracelets on she loses and her sword wouldn't do a damn thing to someone who sits in sun here's why The Sun is fueled by a process known as fusion: four hydrogen atomsundergo a series of collisions and eventually fuse together to form one helium atom. Such reactions-which occur in the Sun 100 million quadrillion quadrillion times each second-release a significant quantity of energy as predicted by E=mc2. He also took a blast of the destroyer beam to face which can disintegrate anything in existence.
@@AllMightyBray So ur using abcd and real life logic in terms on magic/god characters ?! LMAO. Btw her sword tears apart electrons from atoms and slices atom into half even protons lmao so >>>> processes in the sun. And tbh in DC fiction is more accurate to real life by statements. Like time travels and their butterfly effect
@@mgannmorzz2412 Atomic bombs rely on fission, or atom-splitting, just as nuclear power plants do. The hydrogen bomb, also called the thermonuclear bomb, uses fusion, or atomic nuclei coming together, to produce explosive energy. Stars also produce energy through fusion. "Think what's going on inside the sun,But a hydrogen bomb has the potential to be 1,000 times more powerful than an atomic bomb With The Odin Force, Thor takes two nuclear warheads out of his chest without injury, Nuclear bombs are of two types those that depend on fission, like atomic bombs, and those that depend on fusion, like hydrogen bombs. The former get their explosive energy from the splitting of atoms in materials like uranium or plutonium, which takes place automatically. The necrosword greater than Diana's sword Divine Slaying: The weapon's main purpose is the killing of Celestials, gods, and other cosmic entites and as such it is capable of bypassing their immortality and affecting them as though they were mortal. As an extension of this, All-Black feeds off and draws its strength from the blood of gods it kills, and the more gods killed by it or its creations the more power it can provide its host; though this power must be replenished as it is used up, u seriously now nothing martian manhunter lost to thor already him debunking means nothing manhunter isn't even superman strong doomsday told him that before he whooped his ass my comment has been liked on screwattack Thor vs wonder woman Thor can also reverse atoms, heat atoms, and control the elements themselves her sword is useless all it does it give off energy which hill use against her since she can't survive the blast herself Near the Fortress of Solitude, Captain Atom proceeds to outfight Superman and lets him know that he’s under orders of the United States government to take him down. He wants to bring him in alive, but then Wonder Woman arrives and chops open his neck. Annoyed, Captain Atom points out that he’s about to explode, taking the North Pole with him.While mocking Superman for no longer being selfless, Captain Atom makes sure to fly to space and drags Superman with him. Wonder Woman follows but the explosion blasts her back to Earth and puts her in a coma for over a year, Superman survives lol shut up.
People in the comments: argue over who between WW and Thor would win a death Battle. Me: Actually kinda ship them together and start writting a romantic fanfic about it.
Thor got clapped by Superman himself & Superman has crazy feats himself. Yet Wonder Woman has given Superman a run for his money many times in combat. Anyone who thinks Thor can easily body Wonder Woman knows absolute shit about Wonder Woman.
@@spiritofvengance9876 not between Marvel and DC. Not to mention it has inconsistencies through out them. I guess captain America doesn’t stomp Batman.
@@achimpanzee9210 wdym not between marvel and dc? It literally said it was canon. I get it has some inconsistencies which is why debating like that is dangerous cuz sometimes writers don't know their shit but it is canon.
@@spiritofvengance9876 arguing If it’s canon or not to me is futile. Whatever you or I say doesn’t matter but what does matter is the writing. That’s why no one brings them up in debates. Using feats for captain America he should realistically wash Batman. He was beating him in the crossover but it should be a stomp.
On CBUBs, Wonder Woman was able to beat Thor by goading him into trying to break her lasso, which he naturally could not do, then wrestling him in this handicapped stated and further hogtying him. But I think the DC fans were pissed because Thor edged out Superman in the fan votes and thus came out in force against him. That's definitely why Thor lost to Kirby, after his second victory over Superman. When you talked about Thor getting weapons he doesn't normally used by first thought was Scuttlebutt. My second was the Odin Sword.
Everyone forgets WW wearing metal and it conducts electricity. In WW world, lightning is the most powerful weapons the gods have. Its divine power not natural or magical, which makes it be feared by Zeus’s enemies. That alone puts divine lightning as the 1 weakness of all Mount Olympus gods and their offsprings.
Wonder Woman might be slightly weaker than Thor but she is a much better skilled fighter and she isnt afraid to kill to win. Wonder Womans wristbands would be able to deflect Thors GOD blasts.
@@limitbreaker5560 Wonder Woman is ahead in strength by a large margin. She closed the rift in Phantom zone, Broke Cronus’ Scythe, and lifted a cosmic consciousness that had the weight potential to grow the size of a universe. She’s ahead in durability as well. She survived the void hound which is solar system destroying blasts, survived the flare of a big bang explosion from imperiex, deflected full might Olympus that houses infinite amount of power, withstood darkseid's omega beams that disintegrates any form of matter at a sub atomic level, and survived an onslaught from a nigh omnipotent being. So clearly she’s ahead here. She’s also ahead in versatility. Wonder Woman has a larger array of weapons and is more advanced at utilizing them all in different forms of combat. Not to mention her weaponry and versatility is the perfect counter for Thor.
@@chickenchicken9072 lmao don't be a fanboy She is no where near strength of Thor ,she was struggling to pull 1/3 of earth , Lifting Spectre isn't a feat ,then Thor should be above here cuz he lifted 20 planets with one arm and even moved the world tree which has ten infinite realm Thor tanked attacks from Galactus , celestials and others who scales way above pantheons of gods Tanking Omega beams is fodder cuz it doesn't work the erasing stuffs in first place cuz Superman and wonder women tanked it Avartar darkseids Omega beam is weaker Thor is an elder god and in current run he is the son of Phoenix so Omega beam can't be effective against him He has battled Zeus for months which Diana doesn't have such feats What's a demigod to a actual god? Dude she only edges in speed
@@limitbreaker5560 Fanboy? Um I’m just looking at facts. She is way above Thor in strength. Death Battles are about taking the strongest feats of characters and putting them against each other in a battle. She broke Cronus’ Scythe. That alone puts her LEAGUES above Thor. That weapon contained the God Wave itself and had the potential to conquer heaven. No other God had the potential to break it but Wonder Woman was able to do so in a weakened state. She also survived the void hound, the Big Bang explosion from imperiex, and deflected full might Olympus that houses an infinite amount of power. Not to mention the glaring advantage in weaponry and versatility. Mjolnir cannot harm Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is more likely to harm Thor with her arsenal as opposed to the other way around,
Not true, he easily benched the the weight of earth for 5 days straight with no rest or sunlight without any effort and only one drop of sweat, lol. Which means he could easily lift or support the weight of far more than 25 planets at once.
@@Xokcy where was he struggling? He did it for 5 days without effort. And stated he could do more, but the machine was maxed out at the weight of the earth. You seem to fail to realize the significance of bench pressing anything for 5 days continuously without any effort. If he can bench press the earth for five days then 20, 40, 80, 100 or more planets are well within the scope of his strength.
Bro they have a problem with getting a charters low to mid feat and then they compare it to another characters highest showing wonder woman stabs thor, thor has survived being stabbed many times and has a way of fighting people with swords, from what I heard i dont know if it's true but he has lifted 20 planets before with one hand and well the godblast can ahnilate her if it connects and well thor takes it i don't know why they switch in some fights they dick ride marvel in some and in others dc like c'mon and from what I've seen there has been way more debunks on videos where the dc character wins so logically speaking marvel should have more wins on dc
This is a very accurate video... Won't lie I was skeptical at first as I saw the Nightwing vs Daredevil video you got grossly wrong. But job well done here
All Thor needs to do is hand Diana the hammer. She is no longer a threat. Thor is immune to the lasso due to his asgardian physiology. Every word thor speaks is truth. Is Diana worthy? If she is, a real possibility, then the hammer becomes moot. However, Thor can break reality with his punches, Diana can not.
no he doesnt....WW is faster and a better fighter than Thor and Thor is slighlty strionger than her.If this came down to a death battle..I would pick WW cause she can be ruthless
@@mightymikec7 What evidence proves she's a better faster fighter? Thor has centuries of combat experience on Earth, in Asgard, and throughout the 9 Realms. His strength and speed are enough to take on Superman even if DC refuses to let their big blue schoolboy ever lose to a Marvel hero. WW gets bitch slapped any time she tries to fight Superman.
@@MadMaxx1977 IMO SUPERMAN IS STRONGER THAN THOR AND THE MARVEL DC CROSSOVER PROVES HE IS..ALTHO IM GUESSING U WONT ACCEPT THE RESULTS AND SAY ITS SOME FAN FICTION WHEN IT WASNT AND WW IS SLIGHTLY WEAKER THAN SUPERMAN SO IMO SHE IS ON THORS LEVEL AND SHE IS DEFINITLEY A BETTER FIGHTER THAN THOR.BATMAN EVEN SAID THAT WW IS THE BEST MELEE FIGHTER OUT OF ANYONE HE HAS EVER SEEN FIGHT. AND THOR IS BASICALLY JUST A BRAWLER..HERCULES IN MARVEL IS A MORE SKILLED FIGHTER THAN THOR..ITS SAID HERCULES STUDIED THOUSAND OF FIGHTING FORMS AND STYLES WHILE THOR LIKE I SAID IS JUST BASICALLY A BRAWLER SO IF IT CAME DOWN TO A DEATH BATTLE BETWEEN THOR AND WW I WOULD PUT MY MONEY ON WW CAUSE THEY ARE CLOSE IN STRENGTH AND WW IS A MUCH BETTER SKILLED FIGHTER. SHE IS ALSO MUCH FASTER THAN THOR IN SPEED AND REACTION TIME WW IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE FASTEST HEROS IN DC RIGHT UP THERE WITH SHAZAM AND CHEETAH AND JUST BELOW FLASH AND SUPERMAN AND I NEVER HEARD OF THOR BEING CLASSIFIED AS FAST WITH THE LIKES OF SPEEDSTERS LIKE QUICKSILVER OR SILVER SURFER OR THE RUNNER OR MAKKARI. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BATTLE TO THE DEATH BY JUST SHEER STRENGTH AND SPEED NOW IF WE TALKING ABOUT USE OF WEAPONRY INVOLVED IN THIS BATTLE, THOR WOULD PROBABLY WIN BECAUSE MJOLNIR IS SUPERIOR TO ANY WEAPON THAT DIANA CAN PRODUCE.
@@mightymikec7 Superman admitted Thor was his single toughest fight ever at least until Doomsday showed up. It is a known fact that DC demands in writing that Superman CANNOT lose to any Marvel character in any story whatsoever. Marvel accepts those terms for any crossover. That's just the way it is. So, worry not. Your precious Kryptonian will always be the winner against any and all Marvel heroes or villains. Thor has killed the likes of Sentry and his own brother Loki. To claim he can't win a fight to the death is absurd. Thor still wipes the floor with WW in any fight. Screaming your opinion in ALL CAPS doesn't make you right. It just makes you an obnoxious child.
This is a typical Thor fanboy comment in video form. This doesn't debunk. This just needs the opposing view in favor of Diana. She's in the DC trio. She's definitely capable because you searched every corner of the comic spectrum to build up Thor. Equal effort is required for WW. This wasn't a debunk. It was tears 😭
@@reeseexplains8935 Thor ain't even as strong as Heracles so she has him there. And his big move is lightening, which she can resist and absorb. She can also channel the lightening of Zeus which Thor don't want none of. What's he going to do? He can't beat her H2H. Throw axes and hammers?
@@chadd587 what? He literally lifted 20 planets. He also pushed the world engine which is multiversal. Wonder Woman isn’t close to as fast. Thor’s godblast would kill Wonder Woman.
@@reeseexplains8935 I was avoiding feats like that because they are irrelevant. In comics Thor at best matches Heracles in strength. So if Thor can lift 20 planets, so can anyone else that is at least as strong as Heracles, so at that strength level 20 planets is to be expected. Same with Wonder Woman and the shattered god feat where she caught one trillion shards moving at her from the edge of the galaxy in under a minute. I think the calculation was so ething like 65 quintillion times the speed of light. I used to think that was impressive but the reality is she is officially the 7th fastest character in DC, so that just means there are 6 faster. It's just an arbitrary number but her position in speed is set, just like Thor's position in strength is set no matter what the writer has him do. If he can lift a billion planets then so can Heracles. See what I'm saying? And Diana is stronger than Heracles in DC so I guess she lifts more? She's just not had a reason to lift planets. No matter how fast Diana is in comics, unless it's some hax Wonder Woman, she will be slower than number 6 on the speed scale. If she goes faster, they are faster by comparison. That's why I've kinda gotten away from the feats and instead look at the comparisons in the comics. You can just about link any character to another character. Thankfully in Marvel and DC they have both used Heracles as the strength standard for the super strength characters. If Heracles has fought Hulk and Thor has fought Heracles, then we know who is stronger between Thor and Hulk just by who overpowered who against Heracles, especially if the dialog states one is stronger or that they are a strength match. Thor and Hulk don't even have to fight to know this. This doesn't take into account who would win in a fight because of abilities and other weaknesses. But again, you can do the same for speed. DC has a handy speed rank so that takes the guess work out there.
@@chadd587 Thor is not slow. His hammer went to the edge of the universe and back in 60 seconds which is 78.9 billion time the speed of light. He kept with Phoniex in his fight and moved 3 billion times the speed of light. Also where did you get 65 quintillion times the speed of light for Diana ? Nowhere is that claim supported. Diana needed help lifting a third of the third and given Superman’s past feat, he could lift it all by himself so Thor is way stronger than Diana.
Thor is obviously stronger and more durable than Diana though I would agree she is a better fighter and more likely to use her skill. Speed wise I still say Diana is faster but Thor can keep up and still beat her her.
@Kyle Clay Thor has already lifted the weight of 20 planets with one arm, already lifted the Midigard Serpent, has reversed the Yggdrasil, which contains infinite universes, has already closed a dimensional slit by clashing his fist with Hercules' fist, has tied with Hercules in arm-wrestling remembering that Hercules has already raised the firmament, a place that contains all the stars in the Universe. He has exchanged blows with Hulk several times, and Hulk has already shaken the entire Multiverse by punching with Iron-Clad, has destroyed all of Asgard by punching with Red Norvell. Thor has withstood Galactus's attacks on the attacks of four Celestials together at the same time, has also withstood the attacks of Odin puto, has withstood Fenix's flames, with Glory's attacks has withstood absorbing a bomb that would destroy the Bioverse and has already resisted the exposure of a bomb that resisted the explosion of a divine bomb that it was breaking down dimensional barriers and was spreading throughout Time-Space.
@Kyle Clay None of those achievements you said from Wonder Woman outweigh the achievements I presented from Thor. '' -They traded attacks with the likes of Superman whom she consistently rivals, and Superman has been erased entire timelines and written multiple in a battle with an amped Golden Age Superman, and they stalemated. '' Okay, but when the normal Superman and the Golden Age Superman erased timelines with their punches, the Superboy Prime weakened those timelines. Another thing is that because they are equivalent to different universes, this created an anomaly, causing one to live the life of the other. Also, I didn't talk about all of Thor's deeds, I could also talk about the time he severely injured Chaos King, who is a being that destroyed all Time-Space.
@Kyle Clay No, they're not! These feats take at most Multiversal +, and Thor does have some external feats, such as withstanding the explosion of the Divine Bomb. So this is a Pis dude, because let's face it, it's kind of stupid to say that Superman transcends Time-Space, and as I said the spice line was weakened. True, but he lifted the weight equivalent to 20 planets with one arm, according to his own was the weight of planets that was crushing him. It's still far below Thor's ugly to hurt Chaos King, as Chaos King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True Form Darkseid, as Chaos King absorbed 98% of the Infinite Multiverse.
@Kyle ClayWonder Woman has never entered the Sphere of the Gods or anything like that, she is Multiversal + at her peak for receiving attacks from Outversal levels, but that doesn't make her at that level. Lol! Superman has never tried to transcend Time-Space, to say that is bullshit, and he has shown himself to be Multiversal + level according to his deeds. Yes, he raised i.imgur.com/61VsUwy.jpg Chaos King was looking for his cousins, if he could have absorbed all the Infinite Multiverse very easily.
@Kyle Clay Okay, send me a scan of when the hell Wonder Woman entered the God Sphere or transcended Time-Space. He has not broken the borders, but the barrier of temporal space, and yet he does not transcend Time-Space... No, it wasn't, it was in its normal form at its peak, and even if it was stronger it would make no difference, because Darkseid's peak is 5D, and the Chaos King at its peak is Infinite Dimensionless at the Lucifer level, which is infinitely above any version of Darkseid. Yes he was lifting, because the weight of the planets was crushing him so he lifted that weight with his arm. I talked about the level of power, not durability, but Wonder Woman did take attacks of that level, but she only registered a few and defended the majority with her bracelets.
Lol there’s a lot of problems with this video. It’s clear you have a bias. 1) Thor’s travel speed with mjolnir is impressive. But Wonder Woman’s God Shard feat has been estimated to be 52.5 quintillion times the speed of light. That absolutely stomps every single speed feat you gave Thor in this video. Not to mention she regularly keeps pace with people like Superman. 2) You forgot some of Diana’s best strength feats. Pulling the earth isn’t her best feat at all lol. She was able to destroy Cronus’ scythe which no other God was able to do. That weapon had the potential to conquer heaven, yet Diana was able to destroy it WHILE she was in a weakened state. 3) Thor has not endured anything on molecular level. There is no evidence to suggest that her atom slicing sword would not be effective on Thor. He really doesn’t have an answer for this. Also mjolnir wouldn’t really effect Wonder Woman. Her only real weakness is piercing weapons.
Well it is very true that the death battle guys just underrated Thor in all ways but you also low balled Diana in this match up as well. I mean Thor is stronger but not with a large difference. It may seem like it is but while Diana hasn't lifted as many heavy objects as he has, superman said they are equal in raw strength she was said to be stronger than Hercules - the god if strength on several occasions and has helped lift the spectre that weighs infinity. So strength difference isn't much at all. Speed. Thor is no where near ww speed. She has easily tagged superman and Shazam. Caught both flash and zoom in her lasso and when batman sensed that someone was moving at speed invisible to the human eye his first two thoughts were either superman or ww. Even in her fight with amazo she was still able to beat him after building up speed and amazo had the speed of superman, ww, Martian Manhunter and the rest of the league. She is way faster than Thor. I mean Thor tagging silver surfer doesn't make him anywhere close to his speed. Even Thanos has tagged silver surfer. He his a lot more durable than her but that doesn't mean she isn't as durable. She has been punched by superman while in front of the sun, his powers amplified and while he thought she was doomsday from the sun all the way to the earth. Has been punched by amazo who had the powers and strength both superman ww MMH and other members o the league with no scratch. She too is a better fighter and a more skilled one for that matter. Still Thor could easily kill her with the god blast, well... It is true but she could as well deflect or dodge the lighting even though deflecting them could knock her out she won't be killed as she can only be killed by piercing weapons and Thor got none of those. Her sword by the way would injure him and is even sharp enough to cut right the his neck after all he has been injured by Hela's sword that is not as sharp as ww sword. Even her tiara was able to cut superman's neck who is just as durable as Thor. In short, while Thor is slightly stronger and a lot more durable and versatile with he hammer, she is a lot faster, a better fighter, and with arsenal that are effective against Thor she too can and us more likely to come out on top.
Deflecting the God Blast won't knock her out she has blocked the combined might of the entire Greek Pantheon which was stated to be infinite comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/96819/1704243-1228873_887x1260.jpg
Do you realize that Thor has also 1 shotted the phoenix force, and not only tagged silver surfer but also speed blitz the surfer too!? He's also reacted and caught (combat & travel speed) Hermes, the Greek god of speed. Only the Silver Surfer comes close to keeping up with such a being, NOT superman or WW. Flash (Barry A.) raced him once and got dusted, in fact Hermes/Mercury even kicked his ass after the race. Marvel doesn't rely on over emphasizing speed feats like DC but that doesn't mean that Marvel characters are slow by any means. Also, dont for a second think WW is a better fighter than Thor, she just has to rely on her fighting ability more often because she gets outclassed in the strength department more often while Thor does not but he is a weapons expert and one of the most skilled fighters (Melee & H2H) in the Marvel universe. He's also just as old as WW, has just as much EXP, is a trained warrior from birth just like her and his people's culture are even more centered on glorious battle than WW. Remember, the ONLY way to heaven in Norse mythology is to DIE IN BATTLE. That says it all right there. She may be slightly faster but Thor has reacted to, kept up with and went on to defeat characters who could make her look like a f%#@ing statue, Gladiator, Hyperion, SILVER SURFER, etc. Her sword is very very sharp; however, I'm not entirely sure it'll get the job done considering Thor has been stabbed through his heart but a similar magical blade, stabbed through his HEAD and still went on to win the fight and has also taken Wolverine's claws which are just as sharp and even more durable than her sword and was BARELY bleeding. Even Wolverine asked Thor WTF he was made of to have only been scratched from a direct slash to the face. People forget that Thor can turn intangible, negating WW from landing a single hit on Thor period! He can also create nigh impenetrable force fields via Mjolnir while simultaneously firing an OMNIDIRECTIONAL Anti-Force blast (Undodgeable) to ensure that WW"s speed is made useless, while scoring a KO hit. Sum it all up, WW has the potential to beat Thor, I won't take that from her but he has a MUCH better chance with NUMEROUS ways of defeating her. His feats alone put him on a higher level, hell she can't even beat Superman and Thor would smash Kal El (maybe not every time, SS is no slouch either but you get my point). Thor can match her in every way (He's also 1/2 Elder god + 1/2 Aesir god, she's not even a full god, just a demigod, in fact her father, Zeus, is Thor's biological NEPHEW) I can walk you through the family tree if you doubt me. We all know that gods, particularly Elder gods get weaker each generation; putting Diana even further below the Odinson. Factor in Mjolnir and he truly outclasses her in versatility department by orders of magnitude! Thor wins 7 out of 10 matches against her, at least 6 out of 10 matches against Superman.
I agree that thor would beat WW But that speed scaling is really useless. For silver surfer, Travel speed and combat speed are totally different things. Silver surfer isn't faster than light when it comes to combat speed He travel through the space using transwrapping by entering the hyper space. It's like going faster than light without actually going faster than light But when it comes to combats, He can't use transwrapping. So he's slower than light in combats
Except Thor has thrown his hammer when silver surfer was on his bored and don’t you think if Thor was slow than silver surfer would go warp speed to avoid it. In addition surfer has both cosmic awareness and seeing into the future. Ares the god of war can think at blank time which would make Thor wlll above light speed and I mean well above it. Look at the vegeta vs Thor deathbattle. I should also mention surfur and Thor would have to think as fast as they travel to know we’re there going. It’s not like they will there board, and hammer to go to a specific spot. They literally have to steer them like a car.
@@robertrainford6754 Thor is surely above light speed. I'm not denying that. I'm talking about combat and reaction speed. Thor's reactions speed on par with characters like silver surfer, Sentry. But wonder woman has reacted to superman and flash. So what I'm saying is that wonder has the advantage in combat speed
@@Mr.unpronounceable with are in the same ball park buddy, so what is your point. Wonder women has nothing on Thor. He is just as quick, he is stronger and has more versatility. He could snap her neck without any trouble.
@@mrhrobinson again asgard>> Amazonians Thor is much older and knows the godly arts of war thanks to Odin who would erase dc Zeus from existence lol Thor knows every fighting skill on the planet earth and has existed before wonder woman
I think Thor wins but either way it’ll be like a %55 to %45 so no matter who wins their gonna Barely pull it off. I also think Wonder Woman will get in a couple of blitzes until thor realizes how fast she really is.
Comparing a Marvel version of a Greek gods to a DC version is crazy because Marvel really downplays greek gods Zeus had a hard time taking down Thor in marvel while DC zeus Created thermiscyra with his breath Marvel uses more and upgrades the Norse mythology while DC does the same to the greek mythology Now going with the actual mythology we find out that Thor and Odin combine is no were as powerful as Zeus,but in Marvel comics dey made zeus look like a child's play,Thor can draw the life force of Asgardian gods not greek or olympian gods,WW is unphased by magical attacks,even zeus blast made her more powerful,She has absorbed lightening she could do the same here Believe it or not wonder woman is a way faster and better fighter,Thor can't break through her lasso but she would always heal from his attacks because she absorbs her healing from the earth which is a gift from a goddess,her sword is part of her character and she uses them when she needs too,WW without her sword is like Thor flying without mjolnir 🤦🤦🤦 Saying Thor could tags zoom is very crazy when that same Thor couldn't keep up with wolverine in a fight complaining that wolverine is too fast for him🤣🤣🤣,that Thor is not gonna lay a single finger on Wonder Woman I mean this dude is way worst that Danco,I might accept dancos reason for giving Thor the victory,but your is very very rediculous😂😂
First of all the videos old. I research constantly unlike others lol. 1. Thor is stated to be superior in power to Odin actually, so not sure where that downplay came from. 2. Zeus one shot entire pantheons of gods by himself in the CK arc, and it was revealed he never tries. Hes Odins rival for sure. 3. Thor has fought in: Netherworld(beyond dimensionality) Limbo(beyond dimensionsality, even the chaos in between In moments hes fought across infinite voids and dimensions Why is he slow? If you want to count outliers I guess wolverine>almost all of dc in speed bc he tagged IG Thanos😂goodluck with that axiom. I will limit the disrespect since you took a long time writing. Now, if you dont want to be ignorant, I am happy to point you to exact comics so you can understand. Just let me know.
@@BigSirSplash all this feats u are talking about are nothing related to speed in combat And u can't wake up one morning and call Thor a speedster,he isn't slow,but when we talk about combat speed Thor is no where near WW,she has tagged the flash,Zoom and reverse flash,while Thor couldn't keep up with wolverine who is no where close to Quicksilver in terms of speed and the last time I checked flash outclass Quicksilver in speed Thanos is powerful but he isnt a speedster, Believe me Thanos won't find any of the stones if they where to be in the hands of the first six JL members IG Thanos shouldn't be mentioned when comparing speedster, Darkseid on the other hand has reacted to flash and superman on high speed and even sent his Omega beam after them,80% of the avengers have very poor combat speed,Thor included,I don't know how fast you think Thor is but comparing it to the likes of WW, superman and zoom Thor isn't fast at all Wolverine has never reached the speed of sound,he is on a captain america level of speed or a bit ahead,this mean that Cap can run as fast as any man, judging from the fact that Cap isn't very much faster that Batman,his gap to Batman is as low as wolverine gap to him,now compare such speeds,this means we are saying Thor combat speed is around captain america level,which is very very funny, Believe me Thor would never tag zoom even Though he is to be given the lasso cause it takes a real combatant to calculate zooms speed and nest move then strategies an attack WW could easily predict thor's move since he is depends more on his strike force that common combat, agility and reaction speed Thor is a striker,Galactus,surfur etc are not skilled fighters,they are not even speedster they depend on their strike force and cosmic abilities,WW on the other hand ain't that stupid,we have seen her take on superman,with Batman admitting that she is the best hand to hand combatant ever,this includes both speed, reaction and opponent prediction Not saying u are dumb,I actually subscribe to your channel cause of ur debunk to some shitty danco video,but I totally prefer Danco WW vs Thor to yours even though I think WW wins
@@royal_cyprian ok so you believe that defying the speed equation itself is not a speed feat? How?? He crossed infinite voids, fought across infinite voids and dimensions in a second. Google the speed equation. Thor has fought in DISTANTLESS places. That means, his speed is incalcuable. Wolverine has tagged: Thanos, Namor, Apocalypse, Mephisto, and many more. So you believe that they all scale below wolverine in combat speed? Wow. Big if true you would be the first of your kind😂. Wonder woman has been shot by bullets multiple times. I guess, by your logic, she is a bullet timer. Flash consistently gets hit by boomerangs. He gets hit by ice. Ice cant go ftl and retain its density unless you show otherwise for his specific ice. So, by your logic since obviously you wouldnt want to be unfair to thor, right? That would be biased. So, Flash and WW are maybe bullet timers. I dont support your logic and I hope you dont believe wolverine> thanos apoc and mephisto in speed lmaooooo
You know if u give old school Wonder Woman and pre crisis it is another story. Post one only infote speed is problem for thor + microscopic lvl sword. Pre crisis she overkills
Sir Splash U know breaking scepter of cronus which can contain small portion of godwave capable of destroying cosmos is rather infite strenght. She fought bloodlusted Superman who once fighting his copy his physical punch was destroying reality. She admitted she doesn't know limits of her strenght. She closed with bare hands phantom zone portal and she lifted with sup. for a moment Angel heavier than enternity. [ even admitted than 2 mightiest ( physically ) beings in multiverse nearly spectre was too much to them ] WW is only slightly weaker than S. She has also rwality warp. resistance Old school WW lassoed Sun, has freezing breath, can possess people, gods and artificial minds like robots. Her breath can knock back large falling meteor back to space. Her mightiest form is moment when she fought nemesis ( 611-614 comic ) which one shot decayed one greek pantheon god and Nem. was a threat to all gods even Zeus lord of order himself. WW defeated her in Nemesis realm. Pretty on RKT lvl.
Sir Splash My profile character resisted explosion capable of destroying olympus which has Infinite power what makes WW multi universal in durability. I don't thing godblast could harm WW ( i am not biased of my character but i give feats from comics )
Sir Splash I agree Jarnbjorn will dangerous for post cr. WW because of sharp attacks but WW must allow herself to be hitted and i doubt she will allow ever.
Sir Splash DC Ares ? He was many times threat to Olympus even to Zeus. Once Apollo after seizing Olympus he fought WW and Apollo casually mortalised Hera. Apollo had power of Skyfayher so i disagree with you. Her strenght is infite for many reasons. WW also can summon Godwave. Old school one could with single breathe knock back falling meteor to space. She fought Nemesis in her own realm. Nemesis threatened to entire pantheon including Lord of Order Zeus.
Sir Splash I agree but people are misinterprering some facts. To ko phoenix force host u must wait for moment when hist will be unstable what makes her vulnerable to attacks. Green Phoenix was greatly holding back. If she were serious she would wipe Thor out of existence
"Wonder Woman can beat Thor".................keeping the FemeNazi's happy. Coming soon to a theater near you......."Black Widow can beat the entire MCU Avengers." Give me a break. By close of business, Thor will have Wonder Woman barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.
@@spiritofvengance9876 "don't use crossovers in a debate..." Think about what you're saying. In a debate, cross examining or whatever, you use what you have to prove your point. Photos, videos, witnesses etc. You're saying, yeah there's comics that show this or that to prove your point, but don't use that because it's a certain type of evidence.....and it doesn't count.
@@kandr21400dude, are you serious? Crossovers have proven time and time again that they are not a reliable source. Like the time superman defeated molecule man or the time Batman defeated hulk etc. Do you honestly believe WW wouldn't defeat spiderman easily based on feats and basic knowledge of the character? If you do then your mind is lost.
I've been trying to get dan co to do this for months could u do shadowland daredevil vs batman who laughs(without the gun that one shotted wonder woman and his Robin's)
you think the same thing can happen if thor fights against zarda (marvel version of ww) because I saw a that they and she takes it but only for a little bit. and another thing I don't understand about thor is why in cartoon series and films when he fights against hulk for example he doesn't defend him self? I think it makes him kind of loser. what do you think?
This is the same bullshit one-direction video that death battle made. 🙄 They downplayed Thor, now you downplaying WW like she is a street-level character xD! I will say it again. After being absolute obsessed with both!!! This is a fight that will go either way 5/10. Wonder woman wins in this categories: Speed, wisdom, agility Thor wins in: Strength, durability Tie: Skills, weapons, tactics, reaction time, combat speed, combat strength, stamina. This will go either way. WW constantly fights against much stronger opponents, as well. Darkside, doomsday, Zeus, superman.
Isn’t Wonder Woman breaking cronus’s staff while it was imbued with the god wave an infinite strength feat since the god waves power came from the source?
Idk if that’s feasible but the fact the power allowed him to get to heaven and one shot angels is still impressive obviously I don’t think he could really steal the presences power even with the power of the god wave but I’m just curious if it’s an infinite strength feat Darkseid also describes the power of the god wave as being unimaginable to maybe further support this, would really appreciate any response I know this vid is old
It was said that if the godwave returned to the source it would threaten the universe also I’ve heard WW survived a universe exploding inside her is that also true?
"Thor doesn't give a damn when he rages. He will fight anyone. ANYONE can catch this fade." Lol I just found the wording of that so funny. Also i think he just described Wolverine, Hulk and Broly as well. I know Broly isn't in the Marvel universe, I'm just saying.
Diana's just gonan fold him. She gets up close and it's over. It's sorta like Hulk Vs Wolverine. Hulk is stronger, tougher, but Wolverine could just cut his head off. Diana I an death battle is too much for most. At least Martain Manhunter or Vision could turn intangible but Thor can't do that so, he's f'ed. Anyways, nice channel though, very interesting videos.
jobbers and goons no disrespect, but you and the comment section seem to know a lot about thor and very little about wonder woman, we never talk about how superman is on another level then all these characters and wonder woman was able to draw blood from superman and she broke his arm with sheer power.. we also dont mention superman wanted to spar with wonder woman and superman noticed she was holding back and he told her dont hold back and wonder woman knocked superman (i believe into outter space).... superman has fought many but he says he has never been hit dat hard before.... the amazons are immortal and dats another thing dat we never discuss for some reason..
Tbf, it's also shown time and time again that Superman could fold Wonder Woman if he decides to not hold back. In fact, his Narrative consistently shows that he's meant to be the best justice league member.
@@redking8243 wonder woman kills gods and creatures dat cant seem to die, superman 100% holds back and it's clear hes just to much for anyone, but we have to be honest here.... superman holds back and hes the most powerful but wonder woman was blessed by all the gods and the goddess Athena blessed wonder woman with wisdom of war tactics, how do you defeat someone who has wisdom to basically always win wars?? Dats one of wonder womans powers as well..
Lol try again she can't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 marvel Thor is godverse stronger than dc Thor and entire dc gods. Mr.mxytplk gets stomped by the beyonders Thor>> wonder woman easily.
Can you explain how thor cant even keep up with Spider-mans combat speed in that one comic(id show the scan but you cant here so just search it) yet you think thor will be able to keep up with WW's combat speed? Yes i think they downplayed some of thors feats but you could also say that for WW to be honest. WW imo is just a better fighter since she's more technical than Thor who most of the times is just a brawler who doesnt care about taking hits because he can power through em but if we use the WW who primarily uses her sword(which is forged by Hephaestus himself) im pretty sure hurting thor isnt going to be a problem. If wonder woman can take hits from Doomsday, supes, kryptonions like Zod and faora, taking hits from thor aint anything special.
Lol that was Eric masterson Thor and he's still faster than spiderman and wonder woman, next Thor speed feats blow wonder woman out of the water including superman and flash.. Next DOOMSDAY broke wonder woman arms Thor hits much harder than doomsday and has way more impressive feats of strength lifting pushing or benching feats lol next wonder woman couldn't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc Thor thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 marvel Thor is godverse stronger than dc Thor next wonder woman didn't pull manhunter out of a black hole 👀👉👉comiconlinefree.com/green-lantern-circle-of-fire/issue-1/full😂😂 next Thor can reverse atoms and controls all the magnetic forces of the galaxy with and without mjlonir can pierce the the fabric of the universe or infinity itself controls antimatter something anti monitor posses can take disintegration beam to the face from the destroyer which can wipe out any substance in existence a universal being lol he also tanked necrosword which is infinity times stronger than her pathetic sword which will only amp Thor u can't disrupt his atoms or molecules hell even classic Thor was moving every where at once in space time in the universe in his fight with absorbing man amped by Loki and this was without his hammer so Thor always will beat her
I've noticed two things. First men can't deal with the fact that if a woman bests a man in one on one combat you don't know what to do with yourself. Men disrespecting women and for what they can bring to the table has been going on since time. This proves that you disrespecting women that are in the military and first responders. Second, all the people complaining on here are men. Wonder Woman is a better tatican. Strength isn't always the deciding factor. Fighting is not about hitting. Any fool can do that. For example the people on this comment thread. You need to be fighting intelligently, not throwing haymakers, like Thor. He has no set training nor a tactical mind which Wonder Woman has. She is being noticed and getting respect for a change. By the way, I'm a male who has the common sense to respect women warriors. You don't like what I said, too bad.
Only thing I know fasho is you wont get no pussy off posting this feminism shit I said WW>Superman but really go off king. Save these fictional hoes from angry, powerscaling men! You get em!!
Did you just say Thor has no skill, and "throws haymakers". Fuck this fiction shit. What fighting do YOU do? What is your background? I have one. Curious on yours that lead you to the firm belief Thor isnt skilled. By that logic, Wonder woman has 0 skill. She relies on powers and bracelets!!!!
Doesn't thor scale to hulk and Hercules in strength and scales to the silver surfer in speed and didn't thor kill an embodiment of 10,000 gods. Yeah. What's your point?
Wonder woman combat speed is much much faster than thor I do believe thor might be stronger than WW but WW striking strength is superior compare to thor since when she shook heaven with her punches. Even if I accept God blast can travel 100 times FTL steel WW can easily dodge that.
If you're using GB WW, we should use rune king thor to make it kinda fair. He has 2x the power of Odin, and also -destroyed the ragnarok tapestry -frightened the beyonders(the ones who sit above in shadow), one of the strongest reality warpers in Marvel.
Thor has far better striking power and his speed is a little slower than Diana But not enough we’re he could not track her movements. So if they did fight thor would more than likely break her arm with a squeeze just like Superman did to her our knock her skull clean off with his hammer.
kaiokan times20 please Thor’s reflex’s are much faster than light as are his senses otherwise he would not be able to touch people like Hyperion,gladiator and silver surfer. Don’t bring up that atrocious issue of him fighting wolverine as comics like that usually nerf a character to make the other character relevant in the story. Also while travel speed doesn’t exactly relate to combat speed it still has some correlation because the character would have to process going that speed.
So if Thor beats Wonder Woman does this mean Thor can beat Superman?no I'm just kidding I'm pretty sure Superman would win but Thor would put up a hard fought battle
Base thor is above base superman in terms of power, SS admitted that he can't overpower the magic in the hammer and surfer is above base superman evdn loki is above surfer. The asgardian magic is not to reckon with it's above the chaos magic and the mystical arts than even Dr strange himself who curbstomps superman admitted the superiority of the asgardian magic and the asgardian magic encoutered wanda's chaos wave during house of M. Loki would make the entire JL his bitch he's above SS and strange who are candidate to solo and mop the floor with the JL and loki is above both but however base thor > base superman POWER wise.
So this is all about Thor, lol. Durability wise Diana is just as durable. She took a punch from an enraged superman that knocked her from the sun back to earth and she was only momentarily knocked unconscious. And thor sacrifices skill while in his berserker mode just like Diana, why do you think it's call a berserker mode? Thor is also more of a brawler compared to Diana's being a highly skilled warrior trained from birth. Diana's sword is magical and doesn't cut on a microscopic level, it cut on a molecular level, and thors belt of strength only doubles his strength. Where are you getting your facts from? And Diana's strength is greatly reduced by the bracelets she wears. And her lasso should be able to restrain Thor. You seem to be a Thor fanboy. And thor can be cut by Diana's sword, why wouldn't he be, he was pierced by wolverines claws and other sharp or piercing weapons? Diana can summon her sword whenever she needs it. And with her speed and reflexes she can without a doubt dodge many of mjolnir's attacks. And she can possibly use her bracelets to deflect it. And Diana's skilled in using her super speed in combat, also zoom isn't technically a speedster, he manipulates time in a manner that makes him appear to move at flash like speeds. So for her to tag him while she is blindfolded exhibits her combat accuity and perception. Weather wouldn't stop Diana since she has the speed of Hermes. Thor rarely uses hacks in battle unless he is being overwhelmed, and you seem to think that Diana would stay in one place to be hit by the god blast. Her bracelets have deflected many attacks that are similar to the god blast and thor is weakened after using it. I am not saying wonder woman would win, but you are low balling her and upping thor. Diana is possibly the second strongest hero in the DC universe, and Superman bench pressed the weight of the earth for five days with no recharge or rest and stated he could do more. That feat is far greater than a one time lift of the midgard serpent or lifting the weight of 20 planets, since what Kal did is a test of strength and stamina. If he can lift it for 5 days then he should be able to lift hundreds if not thousands of times that weight in a one time max lift. So technically he doesn't have an upper limit that can be quantified. And Diana is a DC top 10 contender in strength and that is with her bracelets on. Once removed her strength increases exponentially. Also what makes you think that Diana wouldn't be worthy of Mjolnir, she has wielded it before, lol? So i think it would be a helluva fight, and definitely not anywhere as easy for thor as you make it seem.
Lol first off thst wasn't the real Thor.. next Thor is far faster than flash and superman in feats lol wonder woman is slower than superman and flash and has never kept up with flash like shazam has lol next wonder woman couldn't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 next wonder woman didn't pull manhunter out of a black hole 👀👉👉comiconlinefree.com/green-lantern-circle-of-fire/issue-1/full👎🏿 next superman or wonder woman didn't lift infinite weight and her didn't move the earth although she has drug a moon and possibly a sun even tho I didn't see her pull sun.. Even if she did Thor neutron star fear easily outclasses that and classic Thor has held the power of a entire dying black galaxy which was actually a universe in his hand. She not anywhere near durable when DOOMSDAY broke wonder woman arms Thor hits much harder than doomsday and has way more impressive feats of lifting pushing or benching feats than doomsday or superman Thor overpowered and broke the serpent grip which was crushing earth around 105 sextillion tons of force greater than superman lifting the earth as the snake was outside are reality altering the boundaries of the universe. Her sword isn't damaging Thor lol he can reverse atoms and controls all the magnetic forces of the galaxy with and without mjlonir can pierce the the fabric of the universe or infinity itself controls antimatter takes a disintegration beam to the face from the destroyer which can wipe out any substance in existence a universal being supernovas to the face unscathed lol u can't disrupt his atoms or molecules he even survived decay touch point blank to the neck no problem Radioactive decay is the process by which an unstable atomic nucleus loses energy by radiation. A material containing unstable nuclei is considered radioactive. Three of the most common types of decay are alpha decay, beta decay, and gamma decay, all of which involve emitting one or more particles or photons. He can destroy entire planets with his lightning he's also tanked necrosword which is infinity times stronger than her pathetic sword.. overall Thor wins every time
@@AllMightyBray Doomsday is the equivalent of Mangog who thor has never really defeated. In terms of combat speed she is far above there, in terms of travel speed he may be faster as he is being pulled along by Mjolnir. And once again we are talking about the cinematic universe and the neutron star trick was more of a durability feat than a strength feat and he nearly died. So all of the comic book hacks don't really matter here. Not to mention her bracelets can withstand anything. So in all actuality she has him beat in terms of speed and combat skills. Strengthwise he may be stronger, but cinematically that has yet to be seen. That pathetic sword cuts on a molecular level and would surely do major damage to thor. And I don't think he would be able to get out of the lasso if she caught him with it before she removes his head. Overall it would be a good fight that I think could go either way. As far as him breaking the midgard serpents grip, bench pressing the weight of the earth for 5 days way outclasses that. Since the serpent was a one time lift, where as supporting the weight of the world for five days without resting or recharging is a far greater feat. And superman has lifted the book of infinite pages along with shazam, although half of infinity is still infinity. And you seem to switch between different versions of Thor. I am using the new 52 superman.
@@AllMightyBray why wasn't this the real Thor, and as far as combat speed Diana is far faster as I said before. In terms of travel speed thor may be faster when being pulled by Mjolnir, but in the earths atmosphere I would still say superman is faster and far more maneuverable, because thor just basically holds on to mjolnir.
@@mrhrobinson huh no lol mangog stomps doomsday lol next wonder woman is far slower than Thor bud lol hell she is slower than shazam and superman who Thor is faster than she got beat to death by beings weaker than Thor like bizarro superman mongul lol doomsday broke her arms who is much weaker than Thor lol she has no answer to Thor whatsoever
realdeathbattleimp.blogspot.com/2017/04/death-analysis-wonder-woman.html?m=1 I watched this site again and her 1st rebirth comic really logicaly confirms thay her version pre and post , all realities are just emerged into one when she says about problems with memories. Alternate versions of her past which are really events from many versions. So it shows no division between versions. All WW versions are the same.
I don't know if anybody ever remember those old marvel cartoons were used to come on TV where here in Chicago they used to come on channel 44 and we used to always race home to watch the first one that they have for a couple of weeks was Captain America the second one they had was iron Man the third one they had was Thor the fourth one they had was no the third one they had was the incredible hulk the fourth one they had was stored and the fifth one they had was the submariner where anyway The avengers just rescued Captain America from being frozen and they had him at the mansion and all of a sudden The avengers was under attack and this guy I don't remember the name of but he fought Spider-Man he was like a cobra with a copper hood like on him and all isn't it and he was very elastic kind of like a Mr fantastic anyway he attacked Thor Thor swung his hammer to hit him and he missed him and he called around Thor to squeeze him to death okay now my whole thing about all these debunking this debunking that and stuff like this is the reason why I thought it moved so fast is because the plot line for his story allows him to do it because if you really just put the basic door basic silver surfer I thought catch no silver surfer cuz he would be the guy to speed instead of gotta like me and thunder he shouldn't be able to catch Mercury but yet he did that whatever the plot applies for authority do in this comic book he's going to do the same way with Superman Wonder woman and all the rest of these they need to take the character to their base level before they ultra hype them up and let them do battle then you'll find the true winner because I can I can go on incidents where Wonder woman is super fast too we need to go back to the basics that's all I'm saying
@@chickenchicken9072 well it depends on which version of the characters like post death metal wonder woman destroys all versions of thor but rune king thor is a problem but again it depends on the versions
@@chickenchicken9072 like ? I've stated that post death metal wonder woman destroys all versions of thor but rune king thor is a problem way too hacked but again it depends on which version of the characters we're talking about like base, amped or strongest..
The match can go ever way I don’t know why there are so much radical Thor fangirls saying that he curbstomos and it’s a mismatch like WTF they’re both equally powerful when you remove your cognitive bias
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 of course their evil. However your emotions cloud your judgment. What do you know about WW, nothing. As you are too busy brown nosing Thor, that you vision is clouded by brown fart. So remove your cognitive bias, and you’ll see. And it’s not like you have any information or knowledge on Wonder Woman anyways, so I understand why you’d be so misinformed. As if someone insults your neck beard beta male then you throw a fit like a child. WW murders. Now go get angry and throw a temper like your good at
All Father King Thor Herald of Thunder Thor is nothing to Wonder Woman I know enough about Thor that he has never shown anything that tops Wonder Woman’s greatest feats
@@legendary3952 LMFAO you're going to start this by being childish? ok show me a feat of WW better than moving 9 universes show me a feat of WW knocking someone out as powerful as The Phoenix Show me a feat of WW more powerful than defeating the most powerful elder god, a being that is an embodiment of 10,000 gods, or a being that is near omnipotent
The whole Wonder Woman blocking attacks with her bracelets as no limits fallacy thing, is a not the thing, its because something like Darkseid's Omega Beams are TINY compared to the God Blast.
A nuclear bomb can split atoms and surface of the sun is like a billion of them going off at once her sword is a non factor and if he used his rune magic he would obliterate her with no difficulty
If thor and my profile character would use god mode ( Warior Madness and braselets off mode) i think WW one is better because she keeps logical thinking during the battle what gives WW advantage to even trick WM Thor who rather is like Hulk like berserker. Not to stop but not inteligent. Infite speed is the greatest problem because of obvious reason. Thor who fought could keep up with Rachel across Galaxy couldn't even slightly perceive WW. Diana will be for thor Like x-men movie Quicksilver to all humans. So i think speed advantage gives my character victory. True that post cr. WW by calc. is 60 weaker in str. than thor ( 1/3 compared to 20 planets ). But pre crisis WW is compl. another league not forgeting she has tons of other milion times greater feats and many other powers.
Sir Splash Agree mostly but Rachel Grey was feeling with remorse what made her instantly vulnerable to normal attacks so i don't think God blast was multi versal but u agree sometimes their math is weird
Sir Splash To be honest saying travel in time is very controversial statement because WW also fought many flash villains. i could also say anybody who xan teavel in time has infite speed what sometimes is not true.
Sir Splash Maybe. WW also can teleport on her own across cosmos and dimensions. You know every time when creator do comics whatever Thor/WW fights even if they had confrontation with all mighty god lvl guys such as Beyonder/Living Tr./ L. morning star/ Michael Demiurgos/serious Phoenix Force wielder etc. they would win/ stalemate. Why they woyld ? Simple answer: HEROES ALWAYS WIN. You might be right. To be jonest both hold back mostly. Both are strong, fast, durable. One is better in that stiff 2nd one better in that stuff. Composite versions idk realky who is stronger. RKT is Elder God lvl and WW fought Dormammu/Trigon/ Nabu/Vishanti lvl or even Above them so rather stalemate for me.
Sir Splash You know that was completely another reality which has nothing in common with main canon dc and marvel. How do we know maybe in this rwality Orore was really stronger than Thor etc. In MCU Thor is stronger than Dr Strange on his own but in comic Stephen beats even Rune King but very barely. Scarlet Witch is also weaker than Hulk and Thor but in comic she can wipe them out of ex. or create their famous villains out of nothing for example Hela for Thor and Juggernaut for Hulk. We don't know how strong really those guys were there in crossover. Popularity judge the winner no real feats. Even if there was mismatcal battle like Darkseid vs Spiderman or Batman vs Thanos Peter/Bruce would win because these heroes are mascots of marvel/dc and u know what fan would do and how would they react if Darkseid/Thanos won. Hulk was a mega joke to Clark. In real feats Hulk will not be a joke, but extremely great problem but still Clark surpass him in strenght, speed, powers. WW one shots Storm
This is ridiculous.... You know when Wonder woman gets off fer bracelets she utilises her devine power... You seriously low balled Wonder Woman... It is stated in the comics os she gets those bracelets her powers are immeasurable...... Thor and MCU fan no doubts...
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Not that WW isn’t capable of killing Thor because she definitely is.. but Thor just has more feats to show he has a bigger chance of winning.
Exactly
@Kyle Clay he has face it lol her sword isn't doing anything to Thor whatsoever he survived atom splitting attacks before can survive in the core of the sun and atom splitting would just amp him lol hell he can reverse atoms i have scans lol Nuclear energy is energy in the nucleus (core) of an atom. Atoms are tiny particles that make up every object in the universe. ... In nuclear fission, atoms are split apart to form smaller atoms, releasing energy. Nuclear power plants use nuclear fission to produce electricity.
@Kyle Clay he even survived decay touch point blank to the neck no problem Radioactive decay is the process by which an unstable atomic nucleus loses energy by radiation. A material containing unstable nuclei is considered radioactive. Three of the most common types of decay are alpha decay, beta decay, and gamma decay, all of which involve emitting one or more particles or photons. Here sword isn't doing anything here.
@Kyle Clay Then prove it, jackass.
@@AllMightyBray the flash would beat thor🤣🤣🤣🤣 pipe down you little electric alien doesnt hold a candle to ww
I'm a DC fan, and I know Thor would win this match up. I don't know why people have been disrespecting Thor recently.
@@too_official6194 I mean he's even stronger now he became a herald
@@too_official6194 totally badass
They are using thor to make DC look stronger.right now thor is on top of the hill.
People just dont wanna accept his power
+Douglas H
Either they just Asshurt fanboys and fa girls or They really dont know how powerful thor truley is?
Thor would EASILY body Wonder Woman.
Easily? No it definitely won’t be easy
@Darius Doolittle phoenis king thof and necro king thor stomps
@Darius Doolittle is the argument more stupid
@Darius Doolittle read more thor comics
@Darius Doolittle you don't know anything about thor WW fanboy
There is no match here Thor is simply stronger, faster, tougher, and more Godlike. It should of been Shazam vs Thor at least that would have been a close bout, but this isn’t even fair for WW
Patron de Tiburones Unless you’re using Rune King Thor which you’d need to use Godwave Wonder Woman, this is an interesting matchup whether you like it or not. Lore of both verses
@@agoranottoman1663 well guess what, where not soooo............
King Mfinity Rune King Thor isn’t even Hyperversal while Wonder Woman has numerous multiversal and even outerversal feats sooo...
@@agoranottoman1663 wtf are you babbling about boi, all I said was that we weren't currently using those versions 😁😁😁 lol, sooooooooooo..........................
King Mfinity 🤔🤔🤦♂️don’t pretend that you don’t know what I said.
So if wonder woman can only be hurt by piercing and cutting weapons, yet she's been defeated by doomsday via mostly blunt force, how is it that mjolonir can't kill her it is even capable of killing thor who is more durable than her!?
Sir Splash Eh I don’t know about all that lol. He wouldn’t be laughing if he encountered DC Zeus or DC Ares. She punched the fuck outta Nekron who was legit staggered and could barely gather himself. Or even Briareos who is stronger than even Cronus and Atlas, and she broke his grip, staggered him and his horn. He might end up looking like someone that has a migraine while looking into bright light
Um she is weak to those weapons not immune to everything lol
@@BigSirSplash real😂😂😂
Well to be fair doomsday has piercing bone spikes
Deathbattle took her invulnerability way to seriously and forgot that Diana has been beaten with blunt force and characters have even broke her bones with sheer force alone.
Great debunk video, and good research. I dont know how people came to the conclusion wonderwoman would beat thor, when thor is so much better.
Joseph Brown -Wonder Woman literally snapped the Scepter DC Cronus had, which was strong enough to contain the Godwave, the cosmic energy force that created the Speed Force, the Quantum Realm, the Oans and the various pantheons of the outversal DC god pantheons that literally exist OUTSIDE of time and space. Beings within the Sphere of the Gods are at the least the Platonic concept of Time and Space which includes DC Greek Gods. After Cronus literally just bitched the various pantheons Greek Gods, Roman gods, the Mexican gods, the Hindu gods, and angels there’s more but you get the picture in the Heaven realm who were all skyfather (at the very least multiversal level characters). Wonder Woman, blitzing his Scepter away from him, she SNAPPED THE SCEPTER like a twig. A small portion of it housed at destructive aftermath to where the regular multiverse and the other dimensional existences shook from its explosion. And she was fine after the explosion. Imagine a FULL Godwave
-She and Superman shook the entire infinite Heavens fighting. This was before the creation energies of Krona.
-She took the full power of Zeus who was furious and trying to kill or at least break her and got out uninjured. This dude killed killed Kane Milohai, the Hawaiian god of the Heavens who created a universe in his hands casually and as mentioned by her skyfather daughter Pele, could create billions of them. And this was in Kane’s realm. Thor would get bitched real good by DC Zeus
-She had the take the Infinite weight and power of the Skyfather DC Greek pantheon AND the Godwave, falling upon her and she was able to withstand it and its explosion after she deflected the entirety of it with no injuries.
-She gets hit and walks off blasts from the Quantum Zealot who was stated to being more powerful than the 5 Dimensional Imps. Mr. Mxytplk, the most infamous of them just casually messing around almost inadvertently destroyed all multiverses in DC. The Quantum Zealot showed power over that!
-Wonder Woman has entered the Speed Force under her own power. And the flash has stated it is required that you need to be massively faster than light to enter the Speed Force. But also deflected the TRILLIONS of pieces the Shattered God spawned out throughout the cosmos all pretty routinely too
-She’s staggered and tanked hits from the Shattered God who can casually destroy and restart all creation in a single move. And it literally took DC Zeus freeing the pantheons of the Sphere of the Gods, and himself being juiced up by the other pantheons to defeat him.
-She’s also punched the crap out of Nekron to where he just couldn’t gather himself, he was that staggered. He easily scales to multiversal. Considering he’s the cosmic embodiment of death and the fact that he fought White Lantern Sinestro literally became one with the White Light Entity.
-Also I’d like to point out that she, with the help of Superman and Green, was able to successfully bear the weight of the unconscious Spectre who has eternal/infinite weight (The official definition of eternity doesn’t in the slightest apply to the scan at all, if that’s the case, Marvel’s Eternity is the measurement of Time which is total joke material). And this was while enduring his magic!
-Also the fact that she defeated and killed the 2 Hecatonchires god creature brothers Cottus and Briareos, who both in surpass the Titans, including Atlas who literally carries the infinite cosmos on his shoulders. And also she tanked at least 4 hits from Briareos and remained able bodied and focused.
-Even in a weaked state from a magical charm, winded Konvict, who as stated by Superman, was tanking his shots that would shatter planets.
-Or simply entering the Speed Force Which the Flash states that surpassing the speed of light is required if you’re connected to it.
-Also the 1/3 pulling Earth feat was because of a magical encounter that rendered them in a weakened state.
-She was also tanking full furious shots from Kane Milohai’s angry skyfather daughter Pele who stated by herself strikes much harder than Superman and also she wasn’t even seriously injured either. She just fought back while holding back on her in order to apologize to her and repair their relationship.
-Or the feat where she defeated and killed Nemesis in HER realm! Nemesis bitched the ENTIRE pantheon of DC Olympus, which includes DC Ares and DC Zeus who were way above the skyfather level. They just left hope from Wonder Woman to succeed and fled. Nemesis was also an extremely op character and reality warping goddess. Thor would have no chance with her.
-Even without her powers, out skilled Beowulf who is stronger than at least 30 men. He was scared, where he was thinking “oh my gosh! She’s good, she might kill me!” Punched him square in the face and he just stopped. She bitched him.
-Or even has tagged and blitzed Reverse Flash who is almost as fast as the Flash. Which is ridiculously impressive
-She’s outskilled the likes of Achilles also. If you don’t know Achilles, read up on the Iliad by Homer.
There is so much more i can list of feats that Wonder Woman has, but yeah. Thor and Wonder Woman could go either way honestly. However giving them certain forms, artifacts, and techniques that they acquired could tip the odds in one’s favor. Example- Godwave, Rune King Thor, Power Gem, Odyssey….
@@agoranottoman1663 I never said wonder woman was weak, I just said she wouldn't defeat thor. Although her feats are impressive, they still cant hold a candle to thor's feats. Thor still have better feats in each category. And still should defeats her in a fight.
@@agoranottoman1663 I'm completely aware of how powerful wonder woman is. And I still say thor would win in a versus battle against her.
Joseph Brown I’m still saying that Wonder Woman and Thor could go either way based on lore and feats of each
@@agoranottoman1663 you can stop posting on my post now I never ask for you opinion on anything. I got this!
I love how they didn’t even mention the God Blast which I would understand if it was just a basic strange not used very often attack but forgetting a characters most powerful attack is completely unacceptable for a channel as big as Death Battle
U know different writers and different powers. Some people keep forgetting his godvlast or matter desintergration or BFR techniques or keep forgetting Thor really can fly on his own ( not on Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Martians, Wonder Woman lvl ) but can levitate or travel across space. Some current versions are nerfed but some are OP.
Like even in movies/shows. MCU Thor was from unexplained reasons nerfed to oblivion after IW or Hulk constantly is being nerfed. Same like in CW Steel, Firestorm ( such badasses arre being ruined ), Arrow ( moral code appears so is not that killer anymore ), Flash ( biggest live action jobber ever ),Constantine are being nerfed
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They always do that dumb shit, meanwhile they sure gotta include swords that, not only broke, but weren't even a part of her normal arsenal. How tf you gunna forget an ability one carries at all times but bring up a fucking maybe weapon that shouldn't exist anymore lol, unless they went with the new version which like he said just makes her weaker. So dumb.
It's pretty clear they either suck at doing research and just pretend they're doing it, or they just simply got a grudge against marvel characters.
I agree Thor would fold WW but I feel like you should dedicate more time to both characters in these videos.
I don't see anyone of them winning
@@TimeToGoGreen yeah
@@christianhenry4173 WW is currently her verse’s TOAA.
@@christianhenry4173 Wonder Woman’s strongest is stronger than Thor’s strongest. Death Metal WW beats RK Thor
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Wonder Woman is still weak
When Diana lifted Thor's hammer she said she had never felt such power before Thor's fault against a Pantheon of 10000 guys and survive she's not even in his weight class period
what u bringing non canon comic feats?
That's irrevelent
What hammer we talking about here?
@@Azombination the long and hard one
I know this technically isn't canon, but does anyone else know about the time Wonder Woman lifted Thor's hammer, and said she had never felt anything like it before?
Those were fan voted I mean for Christ sakes super got his ass beaten by Spider-Man which is just ridiculous.
She did this in Marvel vs DC, a completely non canon crossover. She found it after it was launched away from Thor when he interrupted Captain Marvel's SHAZAM lightning with Mjolnir and she was able to pick it up. She didn't use it for her fight with Storm though as she wanted a fair fight even if the fate of her universe was at stake. Later, Mjolnir gets knocked out of Thor's hand again and she picks it up for him and he's like "Thanks...wait a minute...". Cool moment but it wasn't canon. The semi-canon Avengers vs Justice League, she never attempted to pick it up and Superman was only worthy for a limited amount of time because Odin allowed him to be so in that crossover, no DC character was shown to be worthy.
MysteriousTomJenkins Ok
@@rob20ist it was boy supes.... not man supes.... still boy supes shouldn't had lost, they atleast gave reasoning to some fights, like wolverine's adamantium being an kryptonite for lobo, which is dumb and cool at the same time, but then we have batman defating cap by throwing a batarang... and storm defeating ww...
Oh man i could just imagine wonder woman summoning the lighting of zeus and firing it at thor and thor just absorbs it and fires it back a hundred times stronger that would be awesome
Like how he did the iron man in the mcu
@@godspeedforce9371 A little but more like in the comics.
@@imstrongerthanyouthink9966 the thing is that
Thor has fought both zues and hurcules and dc only has greek mythology,while marvel has greek and norse mythology and if the strongest god and the god of strenth get outclassed by the god of thunder,than wonder woman strenth wouldnt really matter
@@godspeedforce9371 Well see when Powerscaling and comparing people from different verses you can't just compare what they represent. You have to look at their feats and how they scale, like Thor scales above the world tree and close to beings like Odin and Galactus. Meaning he is Low Outerversal in power. While wonder woman scales to superman, who has feats that put him at Outerversal
@@imstrongerthanyouthink9966 but if we go by feats alone thor takes the cake
Thor would step on Wonder Woman in a fight.
Mad fax
And pound her with his mighty Hammer, if you see what i mean...
No. WW does not lose that easily.
No kidding because when Thor fought gor the god butcher they created shockwaves that shattered planets with there blows
@@josephhirning2372 yes. Thor wins
Thor is stronger, and he can keep up with WW in speed.he is also more durable. It would be a great fight but Thor wins
Shrader Campbell WW is much faster
Just wanted to correct you
@@legendary3952 she actually slower just thought I correct you
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 no
WW is much faster
You’re a Thor fan so it makes sense you’ll be in denial
Thor is stronger tho
But combat speed goes to WW
@@legendary3952 uhm combat speed hell no cough cough lol she's slower in combat speed and travel speed hell Thor speed feats shit on flash and superman who is faster than wonder woman in combat speed lol Thor is leagues more durable stronger more versatile faster and more powerful and experienced than wonder woman could ever hope to be lol when wonder woman can keep up with flash like shazam at full speed then she comparable lol as for now she gets beat to death and ko'd by bizarro superman who dosent even compare to Thor, lol Thor stomps show me wonder woman crossing a universe apart or multiverse apart in seconds I'll wait lol oh yeah she dosent have that speed Thor stomps yes I have scans 👀👀💯😂
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 flash and superman who is faster than Wonder Woman in combat”
WTF
WWA is perhaps he most fast person in any medium in terms of combat
Very few are faster
Superman and flash are slow in combat
I love how you wrote a thesis demonstrating how much of a beta male fanboy you are ready to brown nose Thor yet you fail to show scans
Show me them comic panels
Some people will say Thor would body her I don’t think he would wine easily she is no joke she can give a good fight but yes Thor does win he’s a tank
Micah Williamson shut up
Micah Williamson oh I mean if I thought it was worth my time arguing against you I would but for you to say that is pretty bad mate
Micah Williamson but for sure elaborate on why WW isn’t star level and also how thor is multi galaxy which consistently is terrible
@Micah Williamson no 98% of dc infinite multiverse chaos king wiped out 97% of infinite
@Micah Williamson I know I'm late but that's not even close to thors strongest feats. He lifted ygdrassil which contains infinite universes (and a universe in marvel is transifinite and has infinite timelines and infinite dimensions and alternate universes so he was basically lifting infinite multiverses ) and he also lifted a book that has infinite pages. he also has a true form that is above dimension so that's already outerversal. And he caused chaos in the 9 realms which are universes .and he is even stronger now that hes allfather and fought against knull who defeated celestials and created the all black necro sword . And this is some of the worst down play I've ever seen did you just put galactus at low multiversal when he easily beats celestial and celestials are above creation which has realms that are outerversal,the celestials are easily outerversal . Galactus should be like mid outerversal .and wonderwoman is stronger than star lvl she consistently goes against superman and characters like that who are easily above multiversal. Green lanterns rings have been stated to be able to shape multiple universes and wonderwoman is about on that lvl .
When Wonder Wonder moved the Earth she did it with the help of Superman and Martian Man hunter where Thor removed the Midgard Serpent from the Earth all by himself.
That's not her best strength feat.
Awesome debunk. I'm surprised you don't have more views.
Cause he sucks
@@erikbrown2682 if you don't like him then don't comment lmao
Honestly even without this video I know they low balled Thor and I am sure they did the same for Wonder Woman too. When I watched this episode, these were my thoughts.
"Thor has tagged Quicksilver" Thor has fought people far faster than Quicksilver, why are you bringing up that slug of a speedster? Thor has kept up with Superman in the semi-canon Avengers vs Justice League as well as several Superman clones from Marvel. Only bringing up Quicksilver would be like having Goku in Death Battle for a third time and only bringing up how he held on to Radditz for a strength feat, he's fought stronger people.
"Wonder Woman is stronger because she helped move a planet." It took three people to do this feat, meanwhile Thor has moved a planet by accident just by arm wrestling Hercules. Three people trying their hardest to move a planet vs two people doing it on accident, I think the latter one is more impressive.
Also, they messed up the hammer feat because it went to the edge of the galaxy and back in 60 seconds, not just to the edge so its double the speed. They correct that in the latest one but its still a stupid thing to miss. Hell, the panel they use, I am pretty sure it shows Mjolnir returning within the 60 seconds and it even says it went there and back so they apparently can't read. I have also seen a good argument for why Wonder Woman's swords wouldn't do much, the argument using power scaling to show that Wolverine's claws may be sharper than an atom slicing weapon. They showed a panel where someone with an atom cutting spear tried to cut Thanos and he blocked it with his hand, then showed a panel where Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet gets slashed by Wolverine and it does more damage, and Thor has taken slashes from Wolverine's claws. That already makes it seem unlikely that such a weapon would really do much. They also show a panel where when Wonder Woman cuts an atom with the sword, it makes a nuclear explosion and it seems both her and New 52 Superman are seriously injured by that. If she can be hurt by that, then Thor should decimate her. I am not sure who would actually when if you used their base forms at their strongest, I just know they lowballed them both, especially Thor. I didn't need this video to show me that but it just makes it even more obvious.
As a thor fan I agree. When they failed to bring up Hyperion silver surfer gladiator I was like great knew they would fuck that up. They also should not take certain feats into consideration when they don’t make no fucking sense like when they brought up wonderwomen women catching zoom when he was traveling through time. Wonder women should of not of even been aware of zooms presence. Ether way death battle should get graphic novels of these characters and do research. Wonder women is powerful and fast but nothing thor could not handle especially in the strength department. He’d easily break her arm with a squeeze like Superman did to her wrist.
Thor lifted the weight of 20 planets with 1 arm how wonder woman is stronger can u tell that to me
@@imransutar7448 She's not, they just really messed up the research.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins wonder woman is no match for thor
I think when Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Man hunter moved the Earth Superman was doing most of the work because Superman has moved the Earth all by himself.
Which is stronger?
Diana the god killer, or Gorr the god BUTCHER
Edit: this is a genuine question.
Diana is nothing compared to gorr.
Considering wonderwomen is nothing to thor she would not fair any better. Deathbattle pretty much lowballed both thor strength and speed while high balling wonderwomen not on purpose I’m sure.
Gorr is above Odin in power above Old king Thor who is stronger than Odin so she isnt even close to Gorr
Ugo Spotty so true
This wouldn't be so hard for thor.not saying thor'll stomp but still,thor can beat her without much effort
Wonder Woman wins rather easily
@@chickenchicken9072 tf!
@@chickenchicken9072 feats that put her even close to him?
@@Youfattyboy Feats in terms of what? Wonder Woman outclasses him in almost every category.
@@chickenchicken9072 strength combat speed travel speed durability iq biq experience endurance stamina basic stuff like that
Very good debunk, I am so tired of Screw Attack.
I looked a for debunk of that fight, how did I miss this
@@BigSirSplash np
It’s actually pathetic how weak WW is, in terms of feats, compared to Superman and Batman (a guy who’s supposed to be more grounded). For Supes and Bats have reached multiversal to outerversal levels of feats, yet Diana is at best planetary...so much for being a whole 3rd of The Holy Trinity. Definitely the most underrated of the 3 (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman).
Shes way above planetary she has wild feats. This vids outdated
My apologies
@@BigSirSplash do you think thor still beats ww
It would be a decent fight, but Thor is a God and Wonder Woman is a Demi-God (Daughter of Zeus and human Amazonian mother), half sister to Hercules. So Thor being a full God himself already puts him ahead of Diana. If they want a better matchup for a female opponent for Thor then Supergirl would be better.
Thor is an Asgardian. He's a powerful alien. Diana is a god
@@chadd587 in the mcu they are just some weird aliens that came to earth some day protected a couple of Viking's and were considered gods but in comics they are actual gods
@@chadd587 and diana is only a demi god creation and daughter of zeus whilst also bing the daughter of a human amazonian
@@Youfattyboy Odin said they are not gods. They are not immortal. They don't fit the criteria for gods. Diana is the god killer. Only god's can kill gods.
Wait so thor is universal? I thought he was multi solar system at max due to chucks scaling
305 Thief That’s depends entirely on how you scale the characters
Agoran Ottoman Yea Ik
305 Thief I knew you knew, I was just saying lol
@@too_official6194 galaxy level on average.
Depends on how you view Yggdrasil
Death Battle is stupid.They always get the facts wrong.Death Battle is just plain DUMB!!!!!
You forgot to add my intelligent friend the 20 planets feat wasn't durability. He held the beam from the celestial up with one hand and attacked with the other, so meaning Thor benched 20 planets with one hand in a sense, and with math. Thor can lift 40 planets, because 20 each arm. He then has a belt of strength that doubles his power. So 80 planets now, then his warriors madness which increases his strength by ten. So Thor can lift 800 planets!!!!
@Kyle Clay Both the attacking and lifting forces are the same, because in both the strength comes from the muscles of your arms.
Phoenix force is multiversal**
Malachi Townsley The Phoenix Force is way beyond Multiversal lol
Ankit Bhattacharya chiillllllll it’s Outerversal
Ankit Bhattacharya NOW FUCK YOU ITS OUTERVERSAL
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo agree true form pheonic force is outerversal
Ethan Pasok like lol Phoenix Force is beyond all of creation and the Beyonders are way beyond her
You forgot something that would shame her strenght he broke a celestials armour with mjolnir amd also thor has been stabbed all the way trough the heart thor has fought 1000 of years before ww was born in battles were most people had swords honestly the death battle would end when thor lost it and pounded ww to in the ground
@Darius Doolittle Thor has fought against Galactus and the celestials, who are multiversal beings. Thor easily wins. Also, since when could the Shattered God be able to destroy all of creation?
@Darius Doolittle Thor's Godblast can kill multiversal+ beings, and he's taken hits from the Celestials who are multiversal+. Furthermore, show me the scan where Wonder Woman tanked this combined attack.
@Darius Doolittle That's nice and all, but Thor has been consistently shown to be more powerful than wonder woman. And wonder woman was practically crying in the panel.
@Darius Doolittle Wonder Woman does not show these feats consistently. Besides, how do this feat prove that she can beat Thor?
@Darius Doolittle Wonder Woman is not consistently shown to be above planetary level. Thor is.
Both were nerfed AF. They are too powerful to discuss who is mightier. In my opinion she is more powerful than Supes.
In my opinion at base forms thor wins 6.5/10 but in super modes Diana 6/10. Braselett off is more impressive than Warrior Madness.
Don't listen to SA and it's comment sections because i am losing my mind doing this.
DanCo is better researcher.
@Darius Doolittle Because they behave like they never read comicbooks
@@supercorppridelgbtequality4380 even without her bracelets on she loses and her sword wouldn't do a damn thing to someone who sits in sun here's why The Sun is fueled by a process known as fusion: four hydrogen atomsundergo a series of collisions and eventually fuse together to form one helium atom. Such reactions-which occur in the Sun 100 million quadrillion quadrillion times each second-release a significant quantity of energy as predicted by E=mc2. He also took a blast of the destroyer beam to face which can disintegrate anything in existence.
@@AllMightyBray So ur using abcd and real life logic in terms on magic/god characters ?! LMAO. Btw her sword tears apart electrons from atoms and slices atom into half even protons lmao so >>>> processes in the sun. And tbh in DC fiction is more accurate to real life by statements. Like time travels and their butterfly effect
@@AllMightyBray And i am suprised u don't give "like" to your own comments as u stopped being narcistic. Ur getting better
@@mgannmorzz2412 Atomic bombs rely on fission, or atom-splitting, just as nuclear power plants do. The hydrogen bomb, also called the thermonuclear bomb, uses fusion, or atomic nuclei coming together, to produce explosive energy. Stars also produce energy through fusion. "Think what's going on inside the sun,But a hydrogen bomb has the potential to be 1,000 times more powerful than an atomic bomb With The Odin Force, Thor takes two nuclear warheads out of his chest without injury, Nuclear bombs are of two types those that depend on fission, like atomic bombs, and those that depend on fusion, like hydrogen bombs. The former get their explosive energy from the splitting of atoms in materials like uranium or plutonium, which takes place automatically. The necrosword greater than Diana's sword Divine Slaying: The weapon's main purpose is the killing of Celestials, gods, and other cosmic entites and as such it is capable of bypassing their immortality and affecting them as though they were mortal. As an extension of this, All-Black feeds off and draws its strength from the blood of gods it kills, and the more gods killed by it or its creations the more power it can provide its host; though this power must be replenished as it is used up, u seriously now nothing martian manhunter lost to thor already him debunking means nothing manhunter isn't even superman strong doomsday told him that before he whooped his ass my comment has been liked on screwattack Thor vs wonder woman Thor can also reverse atoms, heat atoms, and control the elements themselves her sword is useless all it does it give off energy which hill use against her since she can't survive the blast herself Near the Fortress of Solitude, Captain Atom proceeds to outfight Superman and lets him know that he’s under orders of the United States government to take him down. He wants to bring him in alive, but then Wonder Woman arrives and chops open his neck. Annoyed, Captain Atom points out that he’s about to explode, taking the North Pole with him.While mocking Superman for no longer being selfless, Captain Atom makes sure to fly to space and drags Superman with him. Wonder Woman follows but the explosion blasts her back to Earth and puts her in a coma for over a year, Superman survives lol shut up.
People in the comments: argue over who between WW and Thor would win a death Battle.
Me: Actually kinda ship them together and start writting a romantic fanfic about it.
Would love to see the two just casually interacting. No need to try and kill each other for the internet's entertainment.
Thor got clapped by Superman himself & Superman has crazy feats himself. Yet Wonder Woman has given Superman a run for his money many times in combat. Anyone who thinks Thor can easily body Wonder Woman knows absolute shit about Wonder Woman.
Bruh your using a crossover what’s wrong with you, by that logic green lantern one shots galactus
@@achimpanzee9210 it was a canon crossover. You do know that some crossovers are canon right?
@@spiritofvengance9876 not between Marvel and DC. Not to mention it has inconsistencies through out them. I guess captain America doesn’t stomp Batman.
@@achimpanzee9210 wdym not between marvel and dc? It literally said it was canon. I get it has some inconsistencies which is why debating like that is dangerous cuz sometimes writers don't know their shit but it is canon.
@@spiritofvengance9876 arguing If it’s canon or not to me is futile. Whatever you or I say doesn’t matter but what does matter is the writing. That’s why no one brings them up in debates. Using feats for captain America he should realistically wash Batman. He was beating him in the crossover but it should be a stomp.
On CBUBs, Wonder Woman was able to beat Thor by goading him into trying to break her lasso, which he naturally could not do, then wrestling him in this handicapped stated and further hogtying him. But I think the DC fans were pissed because Thor edged out Superman in the fan votes and thus came out in force against him. That's definitely why Thor lost to Kirby, after his second victory over Superman.
When you talked about Thor getting weapons he doesn't normally used by first thought was Scuttlebutt. My second was the Odin Sword.
Everyone forgets WW wearing metal and it conducts electricity. In WW world, lightning is the most powerful weapons the gods have. Its divine power not natural or magical, which makes it be feared by Zeus’s enemies. That alone puts divine lightning as the 1 weakness of all Mount Olympus gods and their offsprings.
Sometimes I'll agree with the outcome of a fight but I'll with the feats and stats that of how it was determined.
I hope Death battle watch this
Wonder Woman might be slightly weaker than Thor but she is a much better skilled fighter and she isnt afraid to kill to win. Wonder Womans wristbands would be able to deflect Thors GOD blasts.
Finally someone telling it like it is. Wonder woman is tough but thor stomp her, an be waiting on superman with the God blast ☠ nuff said!!
Wonder Woman would stomp. She is ahead in literally every category.
@@chickenchicken9072 strength, durability ,stamina , versatile
Thor is more while ww has more speed and skill
@@limitbreaker5560 Wonder Woman is ahead in strength by a large margin. She closed the rift in Phantom zone, Broke Cronus’ Scythe, and lifted a cosmic consciousness that had the weight potential to grow the size of a universe.
She’s ahead in durability as well. She survived the void hound which is solar system destroying blasts, survived the flare of a big bang explosion from imperiex, deflected full might Olympus that houses infinite amount of power, withstood darkseid's omega beams that disintegrates any form of matter at a sub atomic level, and survived an onslaught from a nigh omnipotent being.
So clearly she’s ahead here.
She’s also ahead in versatility. Wonder Woman has a larger array of weapons and is more advanced at utilizing them all in different forms of combat. Not to mention her weaponry and versatility is the perfect counter for Thor.
@@chickenchicken9072 lmao don't be a fanboy
She is no where near strength of Thor ,she was struggling to pull 1/3 of earth ,
Lifting Spectre isn't a feat ,then Thor should be above here cuz he lifted 20 planets with one arm and even moved the world tree which has ten infinite realm
Thor tanked attacks from Galactus , celestials and others who scales way above pantheons of gods
Tanking Omega beams is fodder cuz it doesn't work the erasing stuffs in first place cuz Superman and wonder women tanked it
Avartar darkseids Omega beam is weaker
Thor is an elder god and in current run he is the son of Phoenix so Omega beam can't be effective against him
He has battled Zeus for months which Diana doesn't have such feats
What's a demigod to a actual god?
Dude she only edges in speed
@@limitbreaker5560 Fanboy? Um I’m just looking at facts.
She is way above Thor in strength. Death Battles are about taking the strongest feats of characters and putting them against each other in a battle. She broke Cronus’ Scythe. That alone puts her LEAGUES above Thor. That weapon contained the God Wave itself and had the potential to conquer heaven. No other God had the potential to break it but Wonder Woman was able to do so in a weakened state.
She also survived the void hound, the Big Bang explosion from imperiex, and deflected full might Olympus that houses an infinite amount of power.
Not to mention the glaring advantage in weaponry and versatility. Mjolnir cannot harm Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is more likely to harm Thor with her arsenal as opposed to the other way around,
Btw you invited to the cookout fam, you said he anyone can catch his fade!!!!
Thor:carries 25 planets easy Superman:(just copares to Wonder Woman)struggles carries earth me:MHHH
Not true, he easily benched the the weight of earth for 5 days straight with no rest or sunlight without any effort and only one drop of sweat, lol. Which means he could easily lift or support the weight of far more than 25 planets at once.
So why was he struggling
Plus Thor was carried planets without his hammer
@@Xokcy where was he struggling? He did it for 5 days without effort. And stated he could do more, but the machine was maxed out at the weight of the earth. You seem to fail to realize the significance of bench pressing anything for 5 days continuously without any effort. If he can bench press the earth for five days then 20, 40, 80, 100 or more planets are well within the scope of his strength.
@@mrhrobinson that ain't true if someone can lift 50kg for 5 days it doesn't mean they can list 500kg..that counts as endurance not strength
Bro they have a problem with getting a charters low to mid feat and then they compare it to another characters highest showing wonder woman stabs thor, thor has survived being stabbed many times and has a way of fighting people with swords, from what I heard i dont know if it's true but he has lifted 20 planets before with one hand and well the godblast can ahnilate her if it connects and well thor takes it i don't know why they switch in some fights they dick ride marvel in some and in others dc like c'mon and from what I've seen there has been way more debunks on videos where the dc character wins so logically speaking marvel should have more wins on dc
Do u have discord?
@@dripsace why
This is a very accurate video... Won't lie I was skeptical at first as I saw the Nightwing vs Daredevil video you got grossly wrong. But job well done here
How was that video wrong?
Right on brother. Thank you for the sanity.
Tbh Thor vs Post Crisis or New 52 Superman Should be a much better and closer fight!
Post-crisis? Lol nope. That's a stomp in superman’s favor. New 52 is much closer.
Wonder Woman shoulda been CLAPPED by Thor.
All Thor needs to do is hand Diana the hammer. She is no longer a threat. Thor is immune to the lasso due to his asgardian physiology. Every word thor speaks is truth. Is Diana worthy? If she is, a real possibility, then the hammer becomes moot. However, Thor can break reality with his punches, Diana can not.
They got everything wrong about this match up. Thor overwhelms WW in strength, speed, combat expertise, inherent powers... just EVERYTHING.
no he doesnt....WW is faster and a better fighter than Thor and Thor is slighlty strionger than her.If this came down to a death battle..I would pick WW cause she can be ruthless
@@mightymikec7 What evidence proves she's a better faster fighter? Thor has centuries of combat experience on Earth, in Asgard, and throughout the 9 Realms. His strength and speed are enough to take on Superman even if DC refuses to let their big blue schoolboy ever lose to a Marvel hero. WW gets bitch slapped any time she tries to fight Superman.
@@MadMaxx1977 IMO SUPERMAN IS STRONGER THAN THOR AND THE MARVEL DC CROSSOVER PROVES HE IS..ALTHO IM GUESSING U WONT ACCEPT THE RESULTS AND SAY ITS SOME FAN FICTION WHEN IT WASNT AND WW IS SLIGHTLY WEAKER THAN SUPERMAN SO IMO SHE IS ON THORS LEVEL AND SHE IS DEFINITLEY A BETTER FIGHTER THAN THOR.BATMAN EVEN SAID THAT WW IS THE BEST MELEE FIGHTER OUT OF ANYONE HE HAS EVER SEEN FIGHT. AND THOR IS BASICALLY JUST A BRAWLER..HERCULES IN MARVEL
IS A MORE SKILLED FIGHTER THAN THOR..ITS SAID HERCULES STUDIED THOUSAND OF FIGHTING FORMS AND STYLES WHILE THOR LIKE I SAID IS JUST BASICALLY A BRAWLER SO IF IT CAME DOWN TO A DEATH BATTLE BETWEEN THOR AND WW I WOULD PUT MY MONEY ON WW CAUSE THEY ARE CLOSE IN STRENGTH AND WW IS A MUCH BETTER SKILLED FIGHTER. SHE IS ALSO MUCH FASTER THAN THOR IN SPEED AND REACTION TIME WW IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE FASTEST HEROS IN DC RIGHT UP THERE WITH SHAZAM AND CHEETAH AND JUST BELOW FLASH AND SUPERMAN AND I NEVER HEARD OF THOR BEING CLASSIFIED AS FAST WITH THE LIKES OF SPEEDSTERS LIKE QUICKSILVER OR SILVER SURFER OR THE RUNNER OR MAKKARI. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BATTLE TO THE DEATH BY JUST SHEER STRENGTH AND SPEED NOW IF WE TALKING ABOUT USE OF WEAPONRY INVOLVED IN THIS BATTLE, THOR WOULD PROBABLY WIN BECAUSE MJOLNIR IS SUPERIOR TO ANY WEAPON THAT DIANA CAN PRODUCE.
@@mightymikec7 Superman admitted Thor was his single toughest fight ever at least until Doomsday showed up. It is a known fact that DC demands in writing that Superman CANNOT lose to any Marvel character in any story whatsoever. Marvel accepts those terms for any crossover. That's just the way it is. So, worry not. Your precious Kryptonian will always be the winner against any and all Marvel heroes or villains. Thor has killed the likes of Sentry and his own brother Loki. To claim he can't win a fight to the death is absurd. Thor still wipes the floor with WW in any fight. Screaming your opinion in ALL CAPS doesn't make you right. It just makes you an obnoxious child.
Make a video superman vs thor
Why do u say currently Wonder Woman beats Thor ? just curious, because u think otherwise in this video
U think which WW is morr powerful: Pre or Post Crisis ?
Because the current thor is not even as powerful as his former self
Because Jason Aaron
We don't even know how much the serphent weighs it's a magical shapesshipting being typo
This is a typical Thor fanboy comment in video form. This doesn't debunk. This just needs the opposing view in favor of Diana. She's in the DC trio. She's definitely capable because you searched every corner of the comic spectrum to build up Thor. Equal effort is required for WW. This wasn't a debunk. It was tears 😭
Typical Diana fangirl. Thor easily beats that wayward maiden. You do know that death battle basically gets everything wrong.
@@reeseexplains8935 Thor ain't even as strong as Heracles so she has him there. And his big move is lightening, which she can resist and absorb. She can also channel the lightening of Zeus which Thor don't want none of. What's he going to do? He can't beat her H2H. Throw axes and hammers?
@@chadd587 what? He literally lifted 20 planets. He also pushed the world engine which is multiversal. Wonder Woman isn’t close to as fast. Thor’s godblast would kill Wonder Woman.
@@reeseexplains8935 I was avoiding feats like that because they are irrelevant. In comics Thor at best matches Heracles in strength. So if Thor can lift 20 planets, so can anyone else that is at least as strong as Heracles, so at that strength level 20 planets is to be expected. Same with Wonder Woman and the shattered god feat where she caught one trillion shards moving at her from the edge of the galaxy in under a minute. I think the calculation was so ething like 65 quintillion times the speed of light. I used to think that was impressive but the reality is she is officially the 7th fastest character in DC, so that just means there are 6 faster. It's just an arbitrary number but her position in speed is set, just like Thor's position in strength is set no matter what the writer has him do. If he can lift a billion planets then so can Heracles. See what I'm saying? And Diana is stronger than Heracles in DC so I guess she lifts more? She's just not had a reason to lift planets. No matter how fast Diana is in comics, unless it's some hax Wonder Woman, she will be slower than number 6 on the speed scale. If she goes faster, they are faster by comparison. That's why I've kinda gotten away from the feats and instead look at the comparisons in the comics. You can just about link any character to another character. Thankfully in Marvel and DC they have both used Heracles as the strength standard for the super strength characters. If Heracles has fought Hulk and Thor has fought Heracles, then we know who is stronger between Thor and Hulk just by who overpowered who against Heracles, especially if the dialog states one is stronger or that they are a strength match. Thor and Hulk don't even have to fight to know this. This doesn't take into account who would win in a fight because of abilities and other weaknesses. But again, you can do the same for speed. DC has a handy speed rank so that takes the guess work out there.
@@chadd587 Thor is not slow. His hammer went to the edge of the universe and back in 60 seconds which is 78.9 billion time the speed of light. He kept with Phoniex in his fight and moved 3 billion times the speed of light. Also where did you get 65 quintillion times the speed of light for Diana ? Nowhere is that claim supported. Diana needed help lifting a third of the third and given Superman’s past feat, he could lift it all by himself so Thor is way stronger than Diana.
Thor is obviously stronger and more durable than Diana though I would agree she is a better fighter and more likely to use her skill. Speed wise I still say Diana is faster but Thor can keep up and still beat her her.
@Kyle Clay Thor has already lifted the weight of 20 planets with one arm, already lifted the Midigard Serpent, has reversed the Yggdrasil, which contains infinite universes, has already closed a dimensional slit by clashing his fist with Hercules' fist, has tied with Hercules in arm-wrestling remembering that Hercules has already raised the firmament, a place that contains all the stars in the Universe. He has exchanged blows with Hulk several times, and Hulk has already shaken the entire Multiverse by punching with Iron-Clad, has destroyed all of Asgard by punching with Red Norvell. Thor has withstood Galactus's attacks on the attacks of four Celestials together at the same time, has also withstood the attacks of Odin puto, has withstood Fenix's flames, with Glory's attacks has withstood absorbing a bomb that would destroy the Bioverse and has already resisted the exposure of a bomb that resisted the explosion of a divine bomb that
it was breaking down dimensional barriers and was spreading throughout Time-Space.
@Kyle Clay None of those achievements you said from Wonder Woman outweigh the achievements I presented from Thor.
'' -They traded attacks with the likes of Superman whom she consistently rivals, and Superman has been erased entire timelines and written multiple in a battle with an amped Golden Age Superman, and they stalemated. '' Okay, but when the normal Superman and the Golden Age Superman erased timelines with their punches, the Superboy Prime weakened those timelines. Another thing is that because they are equivalent to different universes, this created an anomaly, causing one to live the life of the other. Also, I didn't talk about all of Thor's deeds, I could also talk about the time he severely injured Chaos King, who is a being that destroyed all Time-Space.
@Kyle Clay No, they're not! These feats take at most Multiversal +, and Thor does have some external feats, such as withstanding the explosion of the Divine Bomb.
So this is a Pis dude, because let's face it, it's kind of stupid to say that Superman transcends Time-Space, and as I said the spice line was weakened.
True, but he lifted the weight equivalent to 20 planets with one arm, according to his own was the weight of planets that was crushing him.
It's still far below Thor's ugly to hurt Chaos King, as Chaos King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True Form Darkseid, as Chaos King absorbed 98% of the Infinite Multiverse.
@Kyle ClayWonder Woman has never entered the Sphere of the Gods or anything like that, she is Multiversal + at her peak for receiving attacks from Outversal levels, but that doesn't make her at that level.
Lol! Superman has never tried to transcend Time-Space, to say that is bullshit, and he has shown himself to be Multiversal + level according to his deeds.
Yes, he raised i.imgur.com/61VsUwy.jpg
Chaos King was looking for his cousins, if he could have absorbed all the Infinite Multiverse very easily.
@Kyle Clay Okay, send me a scan of when the hell Wonder Woman entered the God Sphere or transcended Time-Space.
He has not broken the borders, but the barrier of temporal space, and yet he does not transcend Time-Space...
No, it wasn't, it was in its normal form at its peak, and even if it was stronger it would make no difference, because Darkseid's peak is 5D, and the Chaos King at its peak is Infinite Dimensionless at the Lucifer level, which is infinitely above any version of Darkseid.
Yes he was lifting, because the weight of the planets was crushing him so he lifted that weight with his arm.
I talked about the level of power, not durability, but Wonder Woman did take attacks of that level, but she only registered a few and defended the majority with her bracelets.
This fight was bullshit 👎🏾 Thor should’ve won
No
I like danco but they are way off thor would crush wonderwoman .
I don't believe it's DanCo I think he's debunking death battle. Either way, WW wins.
remember
he survive godblast
Lol there’s a lot of problems with this video. It’s clear you have a bias.
1) Thor’s travel speed with mjolnir is impressive. But Wonder Woman’s God Shard feat has been estimated to be 52.5 quintillion times the speed of light. That absolutely stomps every single speed feat you gave Thor in this video. Not to mention she regularly keeps pace with people like Superman.
2) You forgot some of Diana’s best strength feats. Pulling the earth isn’t her best feat at all lol. She was able to destroy Cronus’ scythe which no other God was able to do. That weapon had the potential to conquer heaven, yet Diana was able to destroy it WHILE she was in a weakened state.
3) Thor has not endured anything on molecular level. There is no evidence to suggest that her atom slicing sword would not be effective on Thor. He really doesn’t have an answer for this. Also mjolnir wouldn’t really effect Wonder Woman. Her only real weakness is piercing weapons.
THERE IS THIS DUDE ACTUALLY TRYING TO TELL ME WONDER WOMAN STOMPS LOL!
Well it is very true that the death battle guys just underrated Thor in all ways but you also low balled Diana in this match up as well. I mean Thor is stronger but not with a large difference. It may seem like it is but while Diana hasn't lifted as many heavy objects as he has, superman said they are equal in raw strength she was said to be stronger than Hercules - the god if strength on several occasions and has helped lift the spectre that weighs infinity. So strength difference isn't much at all. Speed. Thor is no where near ww speed. She has easily tagged superman and Shazam. Caught both flash and zoom in her lasso and when batman sensed that someone was moving at speed invisible to the human eye his first two thoughts were either superman or ww. Even in her fight with amazo she was still able to beat him after building up speed and amazo had the speed of superman, ww, Martian Manhunter and the rest of the league. She is way faster than Thor. I mean Thor tagging silver surfer doesn't make him anywhere close to his speed. Even Thanos has tagged silver surfer. He his a lot more durable than her but that doesn't mean she isn't as durable. She has been punched by superman while in front of the sun, his powers amplified and while he thought she was doomsday from the sun all the way to the earth. Has been punched by amazo who had the powers and strength both superman ww MMH and other members o the league with no scratch. She too is a better fighter and a more skilled one for that matter. Still Thor could easily kill her with the god blast, well... It is true but she could as well deflect or dodge the lighting even though deflecting them could knock her out she won't be killed as she can only be killed by piercing weapons and Thor got none of those. Her sword by the way would injure him and is even sharp enough to cut right the his neck after all he has been injured by Hela's sword that is not as sharp as ww sword. Even her tiara was able to cut superman's neck who is just as durable as Thor. In short, while Thor is slightly stronger and a lot more durable and versatile with he hammer, she is a lot faster, a better fighter, and with arsenal that are effective against Thor she too can and us more likely to come out on top.
Deflecting the God Blast won't knock her out she has blocked the combined might of the entire Greek Pantheon which was stated to be infinite comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/96819/1704243-1228873_887x1260.jpg
Do you realize that Thor has also 1 shotted the phoenix force, and not only tagged silver surfer but also speed blitz the surfer too!? He's also reacted and caught (combat & travel speed) Hermes, the Greek god of speed. Only the Silver Surfer comes close to keeping up with such a being, NOT superman or WW. Flash (Barry A.) raced him once and got dusted, in fact Hermes/Mercury even kicked his ass after the race. Marvel doesn't rely on over emphasizing speed feats like DC but that doesn't mean that Marvel characters are slow by any means. Also, dont for a second think WW is a better fighter than Thor, she just has to rely on her fighting ability more often because she gets outclassed in the strength department more often while Thor does not but he is a weapons expert and one of the most skilled fighters (Melee & H2H) in the Marvel universe. He's also just as old as WW, has just as much EXP, is a trained warrior from birth just like her and his people's culture are even more centered on glorious battle than WW. Remember, the ONLY way to heaven in Norse mythology is to DIE IN BATTLE. That says it all right there. She may be slightly faster but Thor has reacted to, kept up with and went on to defeat characters who could make her look like a f%#@ing statue, Gladiator, Hyperion, SILVER SURFER, etc.
Her sword is very very sharp; however, I'm not entirely sure it'll get the job done considering Thor has been stabbed through his heart but a similar magical blade, stabbed through his HEAD and still went on to win the fight and has also taken Wolverine's claws which are just as sharp and even more durable than her sword and was BARELY bleeding. Even Wolverine asked Thor WTF he was made of to have only been scratched from a direct slash to the face. People forget that Thor can turn intangible, negating WW from landing a single hit on Thor period! He can also create nigh impenetrable force fields via Mjolnir while simultaneously firing an OMNIDIRECTIONAL Anti-Force blast (Undodgeable) to ensure that WW"s speed is made useless, while scoring a KO hit. Sum it all up, WW has the potential to beat Thor, I won't take that from her but he has a MUCH better chance with NUMEROUS ways of defeating her. His feats alone put him on a higher level, hell she can't even beat Superman and Thor would smash Kal El (maybe not every time, SS is no slouch either but you get my point). Thor can match her in every way (He's also 1/2 Elder god + 1/2 Aesir god, she's not even a full god, just a demigod, in fact her father, Zeus, is Thor's biological NEPHEW) I can walk you through the family tree if you doubt me. We all know that gods, particularly Elder gods get weaker each generation; putting Diana even further below the Odinson. Factor in Mjolnir and he truly outclasses her in versatility department by orders of magnitude! Thor wins 7 out of 10 matches against her, at least 6 out of 10 matches against Superman.
I agree that thor would beat WW
But that speed scaling is really useless.
For silver surfer, Travel speed and combat speed are totally different things. Silver surfer isn't faster than light when it comes to combat speed
He travel through the space using transwrapping by entering the hyper space. It's like going faster than light without actually going faster than light
But when it comes to combats, He can't use transwrapping. So he's slower than light in combats
Except Thor has thrown his hammer when silver surfer was on his bored and don’t you think if Thor was slow than silver surfer would go warp speed to avoid it. In addition surfer has both cosmic awareness and seeing into the future. Ares the god of war can think at blank time which would make Thor wlll above light speed and I mean well above it. Look at the vegeta vs Thor deathbattle. I should also mention surfur and Thor would have to think as fast as they travel to know we’re there going. It’s not like they will there board, and hammer to go to a specific spot. They literally have to steer them like a car.
@@robertrainford6754 Thor is surely above light speed. I'm not denying that. I'm talking about combat and reaction speed. Thor's reactions speed on par with characters like silver surfer, Sentry.
But wonder woman has reacted to superman and flash. So what I'm saying is that wonder has the advantage in combat speed
@@Mr.unpronounceable with are in the same ball park buddy, so what is your point. Wonder women has nothing on Thor. He is just as quick, he is stronger and has more versatility. He could snap her neck without any trouble.
does thor have fight skills? you didn't say that
He doesn't need to. One thing Death Battle got right was that Thor is a highly trained fighter (the finest warrior in Asgard in fact).
@@Wright805 and about his speed who is faster? And another last thing is there are another videos that diana will win do you think they right?
I'm not sure.
Thor is a highly skilled fighter, but he is usually more of a brawler. When it comes to combat skills and strategy, i would give Diana the edge.
@@mrhrobinson again asgard>> Amazonians Thor is much older and knows the godly arts of war thanks to Odin who would erase dc Zeus from existence lol Thor knows every fighting skill on the planet earth and has existed before wonder woman
I know this is an old video but I'm pretty sure WW wins.
Yes
Thor stomps
Thor stomps
Thor stomps
Can we really compare Hermès to Wonder Woman though?
When did he one-shot The Abomination? I don’t recall the two of them ever even fighting. Was this the Emil Blonsky Abomination?
Thor Wins With Just Mjolnir.
When He Summons StormBreaker, She'll End Up Calling The JLA For Help.
I think Thor wins but either way it’ll be like a %55 to %45 so no matter who wins their gonna Barely pull it off. I also think Wonder Woman will get in a couple of blitzes until thor realizes how fast she really is.
Comparing a Marvel version of a Greek gods to a DC version is crazy because Marvel really downplays greek gods
Zeus had a hard time taking down Thor in marvel while DC zeus Created thermiscyra with his breath
Marvel uses more and upgrades the Norse mythology while DC does the same to the greek mythology
Now going with the actual mythology we find out that Thor and Odin combine is no were as powerful as Zeus,but in Marvel comics dey made zeus look like a child's play,Thor can draw the life force of Asgardian gods not greek or olympian gods,WW is unphased by magical attacks,even zeus blast made her more powerful,She has absorbed lightening she could do the same here
Believe it or not wonder woman is a way faster and better fighter,Thor can't break through her lasso but she would always heal from his attacks because she absorbs her healing from the earth which is a gift from a goddess,her sword is part of her character and she uses them when she needs too,WW without her sword is like Thor flying without mjolnir 🤦🤦🤦
Saying Thor could tags zoom is very crazy when that same Thor couldn't keep up with wolverine in a fight complaining that wolverine is too fast for him🤣🤣🤣,that Thor is not gonna lay a single finger on Wonder Woman
I mean this dude is way worst that Danco,I might accept dancos reason for giving Thor the victory,but your is very very rediculous😂😂
First of all the videos old. I research constantly unlike others lol.
1. Thor is stated to be superior in power to Odin actually, so not sure where that downplay came from.
2. Zeus one shot entire pantheons of gods by himself in the CK arc, and it was revealed he never tries. Hes Odins rival for sure.
3. Thor has fought in:
Netherworld(beyond dimensionality)
Limbo(beyond dimensionsality, even the chaos in between
In moments hes fought across infinite voids and dimensions
Why is he slow? If you want to count outliers I guess wolverine>almost all of dc in speed bc he tagged IG Thanos😂goodluck with that axiom.
I will limit the disrespect since you took a long time writing. Now, if you dont want to be ignorant, I am happy to point you to exact comics so you can understand. Just let me know.
And if you feel very confident that I am dumb, or my arguments are invalid, we can debate the topic on video if you would like?
@@BigSirSplash all this feats u are talking about are nothing related to speed in combat
And u can't wake up one morning and call Thor a speedster,he isn't slow,but when we talk about combat speed Thor is no where near WW,she has tagged the flash,Zoom and reverse flash,while Thor couldn't keep up with wolverine who is no where close to Quicksilver in terms of speed and the last time I checked flash outclass Quicksilver in speed
Thanos is powerful but he isnt a speedster, Believe me Thanos won't find any of the stones if they where to be in the hands of the first six JL members
IG Thanos shouldn't be mentioned when comparing speedster, Darkseid on the other hand has reacted to flash and superman on high speed and even sent his Omega beam after them,80% of the avengers have very poor combat speed,Thor included,I don't know how fast you think Thor is but comparing it to the likes of WW, superman and zoom Thor isn't fast at all
Wolverine has never reached the speed of sound,he is on a captain america level of speed or a bit ahead,this mean that Cap can run as fast as any man, judging from the fact that Cap isn't very much faster that Batman,his gap to Batman is as low as wolverine gap to him,now compare such speeds,this means we are saying Thor combat speed is around captain america level,which is very very funny, Believe me Thor would never tag zoom even Though he is to be given the lasso cause it takes a real combatant to calculate zooms speed and nest move then strategies an attack
WW could easily predict thor's move since he is depends more on his strike force that common combat, agility and reaction speed
Thor is a striker,Galactus,surfur etc are not skilled fighters,they are not even speedster they depend on their strike force and cosmic abilities,WW on the other hand ain't that stupid,we have seen her take on superman,with Batman admitting that she is the best hand to hand combatant ever,this includes both speed, reaction and opponent prediction
Not saying u are dumb,I actually subscribe to your channel cause of ur debunk to some shitty danco video,but I totally prefer Danco WW vs Thor to yours even though I think WW wins
@@BigSirSplash can't
It 12midnight here
@@royal_cyprian ok so you believe that defying the speed equation itself is not a speed feat? How?? He crossed infinite voids, fought across infinite voids and dimensions in a second. Google the speed equation. Thor has fought in DISTANTLESS places. That means, his speed is incalcuable. Wolverine has tagged: Thanos, Namor, Apocalypse, Mephisto, and many more.
So you believe that they all scale below wolverine in combat speed? Wow. Big if true you would be the first of your kind😂.
Wonder woman has been shot by bullets multiple times. I guess, by your logic, she is a bullet timer.
Flash consistently gets hit by boomerangs. He gets hit by ice. Ice cant go ftl and retain its density unless you show otherwise for his specific ice.
So, by your logic since obviously you wouldnt want to be unfair to thor, right? That would be biased. So, Flash and WW are maybe bullet timers.
I dont support your logic and I hope you dont believe wolverine> thanos apoc and mephisto in speed lmaooooo
You know if u give old school Wonder Woman and pre crisis it is another story. Post one only infote speed is problem for thor + microscopic lvl sword.
Pre crisis she overkills
Sir Splash
U know breaking scepter of cronus which can contain small portion of godwave capable of destroying cosmos is rather infite strenght. She fought bloodlusted Superman who once fighting his copy his physical punch was destroying reality. She admitted she doesn't know limits of her strenght. She closed with bare hands phantom zone portal and she lifted with sup. for a moment Angel heavier than enternity. [ even admitted than 2 mightiest ( physically ) beings in multiverse nearly spectre was too much to them ] WW is only slightly weaker than S. She has also rwality warp. resistance
Old school WW lassoed Sun, has freezing breath, can possess people, gods and artificial minds like robots. Her breath can knock back large falling meteor back to space. Her mightiest form is moment when she fought nemesis ( 611-614 comic ) which one shot decayed one greek pantheon god and Nem. was a threat to all gods even Zeus lord of order himself. WW defeated her in Nemesis realm. Pretty on RKT lvl.
Sir Splash
My profile character resisted explosion capable of destroying olympus which has Infinite power what makes WW multi universal in durability. I don't thing godblast could harm WW ( i am not biased of my character but i give feats from comics )
Sir Splash
I agree Jarnbjorn will dangerous for post cr. WW because of sharp attacks but WW must allow herself to be hitted and i doubt she will allow ever.
Sir Splash
DC Ares ? He was many times threat to Olympus even to Zeus. Once Apollo after seizing Olympus he fought WW and Apollo casually mortalised Hera. Apollo had power of Skyfayher so i disagree with you. Her strenght is infite for many reasons. WW also can summon Godwave. Old school one could with single breathe knock back falling meteor to space. She fought Nemesis in her own realm. Nemesis threatened to entire pantheon including Lord of Order Zeus.
Sir Splash
I agree but people are misinterprering some facts. To ko phoenix force host u must wait for moment when hist will be unstable what makes her vulnerable to attacks. Green Phoenix was greatly holding back. If she were serious she would wipe Thor out of existence
"Wonder Woman can beat Thor".................keeping the FemeNazi's happy. Coming soon to a theater near you......."Black Widow can beat the entire MCU Avengers." Give me a break. By close of business, Thor will have Wonder Woman barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.
In the movies thor stomps. In the comics, WW wins.
@@spiritofvengance9876 Wonder Woman couldn't deal with Spiderman I'm the Marvel/DC crossover.
@@kandr21400 yeah, and superman defeated molecule man. Don't use crossovers in a debate dude.
@@spiritofvengance9876 "don't use crossovers in a debate..." Think about what you're saying. In a debate, cross examining or whatever, you use what you have to prove your point. Photos, videos, witnesses etc. You're saying, yeah there's comics that show this or that to prove your point, but don't use that because it's a certain type of evidence.....and it doesn't count.
@@kandr21400dude, are you serious? Crossovers have proven time and time again that they are not a reliable source. Like the time superman defeated molecule man or the time Batman defeated hulk etc. Do you honestly believe WW wouldn't defeat spiderman easily based on feats and basic knowledge of the character? If you do then your mind is lost.
I've been trying to get dan co to do this for months could u do shadowland daredevil vs batman who laughs(without the gun that one shotted wonder woman and his Robin's)
you think the same thing can happen if thor fights against zarda (marvel version of ww) because I saw a that they and she takes it but only for a little bit. and another thing I don't understand about thor is why in cartoon series and films when he fights against hulk for example he doesn't defend him self? I think it makes him kind of loser. what do you think?
I totally agree with you. Not saying anything bad about wonder woman she's a bad ass but she can't come close to the God of thunder
This is the same bullshit one-direction video that death battle made. 🙄
They downplayed Thor, now you downplaying WW like she is a street-level character xD!
I will say it again. After being absolute obsessed with both!!!
This is a fight that will go either way 5/10.
Wonder woman wins in this categories:
Speed, wisdom, agility
Thor wins in:
Strength, durability
Tie:
Skills, weapons, tactics, reaction time, combat speed, combat strength, stamina.
This will go either way.
WW constantly fights against much stronger opponents, as well. Darkside, doomsday, Zeus, superman.
Isn’t Wonder Woman breaking cronus’s staff while it was imbued with the god wave an infinite strength feat since the god waves power came from the source?
Idk if that’s feasible but the fact the power allowed him to get to heaven and one shot angels is still impressive obviously I don’t think he could really steal the presences power even with the power of the god wave but I’m just curious if it’s an infinite strength feat Darkseid also describes the power of the god wave as being unimaginable to maybe further support this, would really appreciate any response I know this vid is old
It was said that if the godwave returned to the source it would threaten the universe also I’ve heard WW survived a universe exploding inside her is that also true?
"Thor doesn't give a damn when he rages. He will fight anyone. ANYONE can catch this fade."
Lol I just found the wording of that so funny. Also i think he just described Wolverine, Hulk and Broly as well. I know Broly isn't in the Marvel universe, I'm just saying.
Thor would win but wonder womans feats are massively disrespected.
Wonder Woman would win.
Sir splash would not agree with you.
Diana's just gonan fold him. She gets up close and it's over. It's sorta like Hulk Vs Wolverine. Hulk is stronger, tougher, but Wolverine could just cut his head off. Diana I an death battle is too much for most. At least Martain Manhunter or Vision could turn intangible but Thor can't do that so, he's f'ed. Anyways, nice channel though, very interesting videos.
jobbers and goons no disrespect, but you and the comment section seem to know a lot about thor and very little about wonder woman, we never talk about how superman is on another level then all these characters and wonder woman was able to draw blood from superman and she broke his arm with sheer power.. we also dont mention superman wanted to spar with wonder woman and superman noticed she was holding back and he told her dont hold back and wonder woman knocked superman (i believe into outter space).... superman has fought many but he says he has never been hit dat hard before.... the amazons are immortal and dats another thing dat we never discuss for some reason..
Tbf, it's also shown time and time again that Superman could fold Wonder Woman if he decides to not hold back. In fact, his Narrative consistently shows that he's meant to be the best justice league member.
@@redking8243 wonder woman kills gods and creatures dat cant seem to die, superman 100% holds back and it's clear hes just to much for anyone, but we have to be honest here.... superman holds back and hes the most powerful but wonder woman was blessed by all the gods and the goddess Athena blessed wonder woman with wisdom of war tactics, how do you defeat someone who has wisdom to basically always win wars?? Dats one of wonder womans powers as well..
Wonder woman easily
Lol try again she can't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 marvel Thor is godverse stronger than dc Thor and entire dc gods. Mr.mxytplk gets stomped by the beyonders Thor>> wonder woman easily.
Thor VS Darkseid, make it happen 😁
As much as I love Thor darkseid solos
@@marvelforever548 Rune King Thor>>>>>>>>>>
You want Thor to die THAT badly?
@@nadavcohen3721 How would he die badly??
Base Thor beats the avatars besides the new 52 one because that one was buffed
Get ready to debunk Wonder Woman vs She-Ra...
Are you been sarcastic or not
@@praiseosa-ogunbor3510 Don't even remember what i was at the time...
She could wrap her rope around him. He can't get out and she could take his hammer which she can weild! Wonder woman wins!
She can't wield Thor's hammer. Thor will break her lasso with his bare hands and punched her straight to the kitchen.
@@merengsanjana7981 the lasso is unbreakable child...
Wonder wow man looses
These dc fans trying to take it too far Thor whoops ass
Can you explain how thor cant even keep up with Spider-mans combat speed in that one comic(id show the scan but you cant here so just search it) yet you think thor will be able to keep up with WW's combat speed? Yes i think they downplayed some of thors feats but you could also say that for WW to be honest. WW imo is just a better fighter since she's more technical than Thor who most of the times is just a brawler who doesnt care about taking hits because he can power through em but if we use the WW who primarily uses her sword(which is forged by Hephaestus himself) im pretty sure hurting thor isnt going to be a problem. If wonder woman can take hits from Doomsday, supes, kryptonions like Zod and faora, taking hits from thor aint anything special.
Lol that was Eric masterson Thor and he's still faster than spiderman and wonder woman, next Thor speed feats blow wonder woman out of the water including superman and flash..
Next DOOMSDAY broke wonder woman arms Thor hits much harder than doomsday and has way more impressive feats of strength lifting pushing or benching feats lol next wonder woman couldn't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc Thor thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 marvel Thor is godverse stronger than dc Thor next wonder woman didn't pull manhunter out of a black hole 👀👉👉comiconlinefree.com/green-lantern-circle-of-fire/issue-1/full😂😂 next Thor can reverse atoms and controls all the magnetic forces of the galaxy with and without mjlonir can pierce the the fabric of the universe or infinity itself controls antimatter something anti monitor posses can take disintegration beam to the face from the destroyer which can wipe out any substance in existence a universal being lol he also tanked necrosword which is infinity times stronger than her pathetic sword which will only amp Thor u can't disrupt his atoms or molecules hell even classic Thor was moving every where at once in space time in the universe in his fight with absorbing man amped by Loki and this was without his hammer so Thor always will beat her
@@AllMightyBray agree
@@AllMightyBray Damn bro you left him silent lol
I've noticed two things. First men can't deal with the fact that if a woman bests a man in one on one combat you don't know what to do with yourself.
Men disrespecting women and for what they can bring to the table has been going on since time. This proves that you disrespecting women that are in the military and first responders.
Second, all the people complaining on here are men. Wonder Woman is a better tatican. Strength isn't always the deciding factor.
Fighting is not about hitting. Any fool can do that. For example the people on this comment thread. You need to be fighting intelligently, not throwing haymakers, like Thor.
He has no set training nor a tactical mind which Wonder Woman has. She is being noticed and getting respect for a change.
By the way, I'm a male who has the common sense to respect women warriors. You don't like what I said, too bad.
Only thing I know fasho is you wont get no pussy off posting this feminism shit
I said WW>Superman but really go off king. Save these fictional hoes from angry, powerscaling men! You get em!!
Did you just say Thor has no skill, and "throws haymakers".
Fuck this fiction shit. What fighting do YOU do? What is your background? I have one. Curious on yours that lead you to the firm belief Thor isnt skilled.
By that logic, Wonder woman has 0 skill. She relies on powers and bracelets!!!!
I already knew I was wasting time with someone with 5% brain capacity. It won't be long before that is gone.
The female comic book characters are here to stay. Nothing you can do about it.
I can tell by your responses that everything I stayed was accurate.
@@theapex560 im dying soon? Lit. Legend shit
Doesn't ww scale to superman and Shazam in strength and scale to flash in speed. didnt she kill superman and darkseid
Doesn't thor scale to hulk and Hercules in strength and scales to the silver surfer in speed and didn't thor kill an embodiment of 10,000 gods. Yeah. What's your point?
@@ugospotty678 thor is above them power wise
Wonder woman combat speed is much much faster than thor I do believe thor might be stronger than WW but WW striking strength is superior compare to thor since when she shook heaven with her punches. Even if I accept God blast can travel 100 times FTL steel WW can easily dodge that.
If you're using GB WW, we should use rune king thor to make it kinda fair. He has 2x the power of Odin, and also
-destroyed the ragnarok tapestry
-frightened the beyonders(the ones who sit above in shadow), one of the strongest reality warpers in Marvel.
@@acrux1918 I didn't use GB WW. In her base she could easily blitz thor.
Thor has far better striking power and his speed is a little slower than Diana But not enough we’re he could not track her movements. So if they did fight thor would more than likely break her arm with a squeeze just like Superman did to her our knock her skull clean off with his hammer.
@@rob20ist I do agree with you thor might have greater striking power but he is slower than wolverine in combat there is no way he can keep up her
kaiokan times20 please Thor’s reflex’s are much faster than light as are his senses otherwise he would not be able to touch people like Hyperion,gladiator and silver surfer. Don’t bring up that atrocious issue of him fighting wolverine as comics like that usually nerf a character to make the other character relevant in the story. Also while travel speed doesn’t exactly relate to combat speed it still has some correlation because the character would have to process going that speed.
So if Thor beats Wonder Woman does this mean Thor can beat Superman?no I'm just kidding I'm pretty sure Superman would win but Thor would put up a hard fought battle
I did a thor vs superman
@@BigSirSplash I watched it and as much as I love Thor I have to agree with you Superman would win
Battle with Superman and Thor can go either way
Base thor is above base superman in terms of power, SS admitted that he can't overpower the magic in the hammer and surfer is above base superman evdn loki is above surfer.
The asgardian magic is not to reckon with it's above the chaos magic and the mystical arts than even Dr strange himself who curbstomps superman admitted the superiority of the asgardian magic and the asgardian magic encoutered wanda's chaos wave during house of M.
Loki would make the entire JL his bitch he's above SS and strange who are candidate to solo and mop the floor with the JL and loki is above both but however base thor > base superman POWER wise.
@@eivor1917 Superman is above silver surfer
6 years...
Uau!
So this is all about Thor, lol. Durability wise Diana is just as durable. She took a punch from an enraged superman that knocked her from the sun back to earth and she was only momentarily knocked unconscious. And thor sacrifices skill while in his berserker mode just like Diana, why do you think it's call a berserker mode? Thor is also more of a brawler compared to Diana's being a highly skilled warrior trained from birth. Diana's sword is magical and doesn't cut on a microscopic level, it cut on a molecular level, and thors belt of strength only doubles his strength. Where are you getting your facts from? And Diana's strength is greatly reduced by the bracelets she wears. And her lasso should be able to restrain Thor. You seem to be a Thor fanboy. And thor can be cut by Diana's sword, why wouldn't he be, he was pierced by wolverines claws and other sharp or piercing weapons? Diana can summon her sword whenever she needs it. And with her speed and reflexes she can without a doubt dodge many of mjolnir's attacks. And she can possibly use her bracelets to deflect it. And Diana's skilled in using her super speed in combat, also zoom isn't technically a speedster, he manipulates time in a manner that makes him appear to move at flash like speeds. So for her to tag him while she is blindfolded exhibits her combat accuity and perception. Weather wouldn't stop Diana since she has the speed of Hermes. Thor rarely uses hacks in battle unless he is being overwhelmed, and you seem to think that Diana would stay in one place to be hit by the god blast. Her bracelets have deflected many attacks that are similar to the god blast and thor is weakened after using it. I am not saying wonder woman would win, but you are low balling her and upping thor. Diana is possibly the second strongest hero in the DC universe, and Superman bench pressed the weight of the earth for five days with no recharge or rest and stated he could do more. That feat is far greater than a one time lift of the midgard serpent or lifting the weight of 20 planets, since what Kal did is a test of strength and stamina. If he can lift it for 5 days then he should be able to lift hundreds if not thousands of times that weight in a one time max lift. So technically he doesn't have an upper limit that can be quantified. And Diana is a DC top 10 contender in strength and that is with her bracelets on. Once removed her strength increases exponentially. Also what makes you think that Diana wouldn't be worthy of Mjolnir, she has wielded it before, lol? So i think it would be a helluva fight, and definitely not anywhere as easy for thor as you make it seem.
Lol first off thst wasn't the real Thor.. next Thor is far faster than flash and superman in feats lol wonder woman is slower than superman and flash and has never kept up with flash like shazam has lol next wonder woman couldn't even beat pele goddess of volcano who she says hits harder than superman fist and is like full swing of dc thors hammer 👀👉👉view-comic.com/wonder-woman-v3-035-2009/😂😂 next wonder woman didn't pull manhunter out of a black hole 👀👉👉comiconlinefree.com/green-lantern-circle-of-fire/issue-1/full👎🏿 next superman or wonder woman didn't lift infinite weight and her didn't move the earth although she has drug a moon and possibly a sun even tho I didn't see her pull sun.. Even if she did Thor neutron star fear easily outclasses that and classic Thor has held the power of a entire dying black galaxy which was actually a universe in his hand. She not anywhere near durable when DOOMSDAY broke wonder woman arms Thor hits much harder than doomsday and has way more impressive feats of lifting pushing or benching feats than doomsday or superman Thor overpowered and broke the serpent grip which was crushing earth around 105 sextillion tons of force greater than superman lifting the earth as the snake was outside are reality altering the boundaries of the universe. Her sword isn't damaging Thor lol he can reverse atoms and controls all the magnetic forces of the galaxy with and without mjlonir can pierce the the fabric of the universe or infinity itself controls antimatter takes a disintegration beam to the face from the destroyer which can wipe out any substance in existence a universal being supernovas to the face unscathed lol u can't disrupt his atoms or molecules he even survived decay touch point blank to the neck no problem Radioactive decay is the process by which an unstable atomic nucleus loses energy by radiation. A material containing unstable nuclei is considered radioactive. Three of the most common types of decay are alpha decay, beta decay, and gamma decay, all of which involve emitting one or more particles or photons. He can destroy entire planets with his lightning he's also tanked necrosword which is infinity times stronger than her pathetic sword.. overall Thor wins every time
@@AllMightyBray Doomsday is the equivalent of Mangog who thor has never really defeated. In terms of combat speed she is far above there, in terms of travel speed he may be faster as he is being pulled along by Mjolnir. And once again we are talking about the cinematic universe and the neutron star trick was more of a durability feat than a strength feat and he nearly died. So all of the comic book hacks don't really matter here. Not to mention her bracelets can withstand anything. So in all actuality she has him beat in terms of speed and combat skills. Strengthwise he may be stronger, but cinematically that has yet to be seen.
That pathetic sword cuts on a molecular level and would surely do major damage to thor. And I don't think he would be able to get out of the lasso if she caught him with it before she removes his head. Overall it would be a good fight that I think could go either way. As far as him breaking the midgard serpents grip, bench pressing the weight of the earth for 5 days way outclasses that. Since the serpent was a one time lift, where as supporting the weight of the world for five days without resting or recharging is a far greater feat. And superman has lifted the book of infinite pages along with shazam, although half of infinity is still infinity. And you seem to switch between different versions of Thor. I am using the new 52 superman.
@@AllMightyBray why wasn't this the real Thor, and as far as combat speed Diana is far faster as I said before. In terms of travel speed thor may be faster when being pulled by Mjolnir, but in the earths atmosphere I would still say superman is faster and far more maneuverable, because thor just basically holds on to mjolnir.
@@mrhrobinson huh no lol mangog stomps doomsday lol next wonder woman is far slower than Thor bud lol hell she is slower than shazam and superman who Thor is faster than she got beat to death by beings weaker than Thor like bizarro superman mongul lol doomsday broke her arms who is much weaker than Thor lol she has no answer to Thor whatsoever
@@mrhrobinson no superman isn't faster than Thor lol face it Thor travel speed with and without mjlonir blow supes out the water
Kratos beats both.
Then Shaggy will one shot him with 0.0001% of his powers 😉. ..
Just kidding, but i wouldn't really underestimate Diana
HAH!
tha...that's a great joke man!
@@gman4736 Facts are funny now?
@@trunks1943 that fact is wrong
@@JayRedGear True kratos kills both of them i meant.
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I watched this site again and her 1st rebirth comic really logicaly confirms thay her version pre and post , all realities are just emerged into one when she says about problems with memories. Alternate versions of her past
which are really events from many versions. So it shows no division between versions. All WW versions are the same.
I don't know if anybody ever remember those old marvel cartoons were used to come on TV where here in Chicago they used to come on channel 44 and we used to always race home to watch the first one that they have for a couple of weeks was Captain America the second one they had was iron Man the third one they had was Thor the fourth one they had was no the third one they had was the incredible hulk the fourth one they had was stored and the fifth one they had was the submariner where anyway The avengers just rescued Captain America from being frozen and they had him at the mansion and all of a sudden The avengers was under attack and this guy I don't remember the name of but he fought Spider-Man he was like a cobra with a copper hood like on him and all isn't it and he was very elastic kind of like a Mr fantastic anyway he attacked Thor Thor swung his hammer to hit him and he missed him and he called around Thor to squeeze him to death okay now my whole thing about all these debunking this debunking that and stuff like this is the reason why I thought it moved so fast is because the plot line for his story allows him to do it because if you really just put the basic door basic silver surfer I thought catch no silver surfer cuz he would be the guy to speed instead of gotta like me and thunder he shouldn't be able to catch Mercury but yet he did that whatever the plot applies for authority do in this comic book he's going to do the same way with Superman Wonder woman and all the rest of these they need to take the character to their base level before they ultra hype them up and let them do battle then you'll find the true winner because I can I can go on incidents where Wonder woman is super fast too we need to go back to the basics that's all I'm saying
I love wonder woman way more but thor is more powerful
Wrong
@@chickenchicken9072 well it depends on which version of the characters like post death metal wonder woman destroys all versions of thor but rune king thor is a problem but again it depends on the versions
@@eivor5453 There are plenty of versions of Wonder Woman that could beat rune thor
@@chickenchicken9072 like ? I've stated that post death metal wonder woman destroys all versions of thor but rune king thor is a problem way too hacked but again it depends on which version of the characters we're talking about like base, amped or strongest..
@@eivor5453 Witchmark, Anti Crisis Energy, and some others.
Great video.
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The match can go ever way
I don’t know why there are so much radical Thor fangirls saying that he curbstomos and it’s a mismatch like WTF
they’re both equally powerful when you remove your cognitive bias
There not equal in anything thor stomps
Bray God Of Thunder 12-9-97 of course their evil. However your emotions cloud your judgment. What do you know about WW, nothing. As you are too busy brown nosing Thor, that you vision is clouded by brown fart.
So remove your cognitive bias, and you’ll see.
And it’s not like you have any information or knowledge on Wonder Woman anyways, so I understand why you’d be so misinformed. As if someone insults your neck beard beta male then you throw a fit like a child. WW murders. Now go get angry and throw a temper like your good at
@@legendary3952 WW is nothing to Thor I know enough about WW that she has never shown anything that tops Thors greatest feats
All Father King Thor Herald of Thunder Thor is nothing to Wonder Woman I know enough about Thor that he has never shown anything that tops Wonder Woman’s greatest feats
@@legendary3952 LMFAO you're going to start this by being childish? ok
show me a feat of WW better than moving 9 universes
show me a feat of WW knocking someone out as powerful as The Phoenix
Show me a feat of WW more powerful than defeating the most powerful elder god, a being that is an embodiment of 10,000 gods, or a being that is near omnipotent
@Your Favorite Villain.I like your debunks.Death Battle is STUPID!!!!
Wonder woman would block the godblast with her braceletts and shes a better a fighter. Her sword can cut superman. Thor has no chance.
The whole Wonder Woman blocking attacks with her bracelets as no limits fallacy thing, is a not the thing, its because something like Darkseid's Omega Beams are TINY compared to the God Blast.
Dude attired destruction was taking place LMAO 😂😂😂😂😂
A nuclear bomb can split atoms and surface of the sun is like a billion of them going off at once her sword is a non factor and if he used his rune magic he would obliterate her with no difficulty
Thor can counter her sword he’s quick enough to track her don’t listen to deathbattle there research sucks
If thor and my profile character would use god mode ( Warior Madness and braselets off mode) i think WW one is better because she keeps logical thinking during the battle what gives WW advantage to even trick WM Thor who rather is like Hulk like berserker. Not to stop but not inteligent. Infite speed is the greatest problem because of obvious reason. Thor who fought could keep up with Rachel across Galaxy couldn't even slightly perceive WW. Diana will be for thor Like x-men movie Quicksilver to all humans. So i think speed advantage gives my character victory. True that post cr. WW by calc. is 60 weaker in str. than thor ( 1/3 compared to 20 planets ). But pre crisis WW is compl. another league not forgeting she has tons of other milion times greater feats and many other powers.
Sir Splash
Agree mostly but Rachel Grey was feeling with remorse what made her instantly vulnerable to normal attacks so i don't think God blast was multi versal but u agree sometimes their math is weird
Sir Splash
To be honest saying travel in time is very controversial statement because WW also fought many flash villains. i could also say anybody who xan teavel in time has infite speed what sometimes is not true.
Sir Splash
According to 1 site WW needs to be sextilion times faster than light to react at trilions at same time
Sir Splash
Maybe. WW also can teleport on her own across cosmos and dimensions.
You know every time when creator do comics whatever Thor/WW fights even if they had confrontation with all mighty god lvl guys such as Beyonder/Living Tr./ L. morning star/ Michael Demiurgos/serious Phoenix Force wielder etc. they would win/ stalemate. Why they woyld ? Simple answer:
HEROES ALWAYS WIN.
You might be right. To be jonest both hold back mostly. Both are strong, fast, durable. One is better in that stiff 2nd one better in that stuff. Composite versions idk realky who is stronger. RKT is Elder God lvl and WW fought Dormammu/Trigon/ Nabu/Vishanti lvl or even Above them so rather stalemate for me.
Sir Splash
You know that was completely another reality which has nothing in common with main canon dc and marvel. How do we know maybe in this rwality Orore was really stronger than Thor etc.
In MCU Thor is stronger than Dr Strange on his own but in comic Stephen beats even Rune King but very barely. Scarlet Witch is also weaker than Hulk and Thor but in comic she can wipe them out of ex. or create their famous villains out of nothing for example Hela for Thor and Juggernaut for Hulk.
We don't know how strong really those guys were there in crossover.
Popularity judge the winner no real feats.
Even if there was mismatcal battle like Darkseid vs Spiderman or Batman vs Thanos Peter/Bruce would win because these heroes are mascots of marvel/dc and u know what fan would do and how would they react if Darkseid/Thanos won. Hulk was a mega joke to Clark. In real feats Hulk will not be a joke, but extremely great problem but still Clark surpass him in strenght, speed, powers. WW one shots Storm
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This is ridiculous.... You know when Wonder woman gets off fer bracelets she utilises her devine power... You seriously low balled Wonder Woman... It is stated in the comics os she gets those bracelets her powers are immeasurable...... Thor and MCU fan no doubts...
This guy said in recent his videos he retconned himself and studied dc lore and powerscaling better