Evan Turner and JJ Redick Passionate Debate On "Embracing Your Role" (w/ Andre Iguodala)
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2023
- This week, we're psyched to welcome in the hosts of The Point Forward podcast, Andre Iguodala (The Golden State Warriors) and Evan Turner. In this clip, JJ, Evan and Iggy talk about the downside to being so "team first" and Evan gets very candid about his career starting out with Sam Hinkie and The Philadelphia 76ers "process."
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We normally don’t publish teasers this long but this particular conversation is so good. Highly recommend staying to the Process 76ers stuff at the end. Shoutout Evan and Iggy for being so candid. Full interview drops Thursday morning. Subscribe if you haven’t and we’ll see you there.
This is a great convo because it ties into something that I have been confused by for the last 30 years of being an NBA fan. Why is it that certain guys get pigeon holed into a role that they are clearly capable of being more than their role, but if they try to break that mold they are "selfish"? For example. Kurt Thomas put up 30 PPG in division one college ball. This is practically unheard of. He was drafted by the Knicks late into the first round. I was watching every Knicks game that I could hoping to see this guy because I thought that the Knicks got an absolute steal. Coach Van Gundy wouldn't play him. Eventually Patrick Ewing got hurt in a game and VG had to put him in the game. Thomas is posting up, making solid moves, making his shots, his team is extending the lead and despite all of that, coach is glaring at him and barking at him after every play. Eventually Van Gundy yanks him out.
Another Example. Brian Cook gets drafted by the Lakers. His rookie year he is fat and out of shape. He's playing behind Robert Horry and learning how Horry, who plays the same position, is helping the team with his 3 point shooting. Second year of Cook's career and he's in shape. He's shooting 3's really well in pre season and when the regular season comes, Phil Jackson will not play him. Again. Horry gets injured during the game and I believe Grant was already out. Cook is the only PF on the roster. Phil has to put him in half way through the first quarter. Cook is getting left wide open in his spots (same spots that Horry gets open shots). He shoots a wide open shot (just as any player would) and Phil Jackson is pissed. He's yelling at Cook every time he shoots the ball. Half time comes. The Lakers are up by 19. Cook is 5 for 7 from the 3 point line and Phil Jackson won't even put Cook back into the game. Phil played Rick Fox at power forward. After the game Jackson is talking about trading Cook. Cook never played another minute for the Lakers again and a week later he was traded to Orlando.
Sorry for the long examples. But I genuinely want to know why some players are allowed to "break out" and other players are "selfish", even if they clearly have the talent to exceed the minimal role's that coaches prescribe for them?
@@Davivd2 im guessing it comes down to money, likeness of player, who brings in more money stuff like that and some coaches don't how to coach every single player,
@@Davivd2 cca 30 years of following NBA too. Great examples and there are tons of more like that.
This is why players need their own platforms. Great conversation. I hope these coaches and GMs are listening.
This was such a gooooood convo! Can’t wait to watch the whole ep. So insightful and honest about the decision to simply “play your role”. It’s always painted as the altruistic and “right” way to do things. Don’t get me wrong, for the most part, it is but it’s nice to hear players talk honestly about the impact that can have on a person, on maximizing your individual potential and on the trajectory of your career
Makes sense. If you grow up the best player in your high school, the best player in the state, best player in the college and then your role gets shrunk down to a role player it must be a hell of an ego check.
Nigga you in the nba you better do what’s asked of you
That’s what happened to my dad. Nigga was the best football player VA back in the late 90s. The best at Fork Union. The best at UVA. Then turned into a 2nd string/3rd string player. I never asked him how that made him feel.
lets not pretend like the Coach and GM are perfect
sometimes the GM gets a selection of talent that limits the capabilities of the individual players on the team and limits there success.
sometimes the Coach uses rotations and plays because hes under pressure to stay on the stars good side while also making sure the talent the GM wants to trade gets minutes to add to there trade value.
Never forget the 04 Pistons was a Fluke accident from a bad GM move ending up good
Never forget Draymond doesn't have a career without a fluke accident
The San Antonio Spurs and Pop have such a good reputation because for the last 23 years all they have done is develop who they got
I feel Evan Turner that he could have been more than he was but instead they looked at his body and said "we can create a defensive mismatch" rather than utilize the talents he has had his whole life, what compounds the issue is every single NBA player looks like the GOAT in practice which enforces the feeling they have that "yall are just holding me back" and it must be maddening to go through even in the case were the Coach/Gm is right.
for example Dwight Howard for all the trash we give him have you seen him in practice? in practice hes out there shooting like Dirk...
The problem with this scenario is that when your role gets shrunk at the pro level, then that typically means that your peers are better at that position. Even a Turner had his chance and was sub-par in every aspect of the pro game.
@juicelord4792 not necessarily true at all. Sometimes it's just politics and coaches have their favorites. Even guys like Kobe was getting benched his first few years just because that specific coach didn't like young players. There are so many scenarios like that. Chauncey Billups and Kyle Lowry were on the verge of leaving the nba until they got coaches that gave them the opportunity to succeed.
“I embraced my role so much I diminished my career” that hit clear as day.
See, I think it also extended his career (Iggy) as well, because the league was going into a different direction with 3 and D shooters, so I don't know if I really believe he would be the second or 3rd best player at that point in his career. If you look at his numbers before GSW his number were already going down. So, I'm not necessarily buying that
@@michaelmcnally3813iggy isn’t someone who you stat watch bro. What you said to me is actually false because iggy went to the all star game 2012 then the next year helped an on paper average Denver team to the playoffs then joined the warriors and accepted a lesser role
@@Ballinbmac true, but his minutes were down, and he was going to play a lesser role wherever he went ( he was going to be the 3rd or 4th best player on any team he went too), because he wasn't an all star and he wasn't a shooter either and that's where the league was going. I mean, it was his 10th year in league by the time he got to the warriors. I love Iggy too and huge warriors fan
@@michaelmcnally3813 Yeah I agree accepting that role has its own benefits but I think what Evan is getting at in this clip is the psychological toll being the 6-8th guy on a roster takes on guys who could be the 3rd or 4th guy on other (but not necessarily worse) teams. For Evan he spent 7 of 10 years on teams that werent really trying to win. Thats 7 years of training, dieting, traveling, showing up on time just to get in the game and take 5 shots and get bounced in the first round. Eventually you gotta start thinking what am I even doing here. For Andre I definitely agree his career could have been shorter as the league progressed but that begs the question would you rather have gotten 20 pts and lost in the first round or are you committed to scoring less but winning more?
Evan Turner was laying it down. That's one of the most honest conversations I've seen from an NBA player.
Yea, why didnt they run a play for him!
Now taking in what he said think about how hard it is to win a championship. Makes me think how much players probably hate playing with certain superstars. Like LeBron, who's 1 of the greatest ever but he dominates the ball and his teammates are made to be catch and shoot players for him to be his best in attacking the basket. It's gotta be tough to be expected to make shots without a feel of the ball or a rhythm. We need to appreciate the others because without them your favorite player wouldn't win sh*t period
Love Evan Turner, always been hyper interesting to listen to. He really has a nice outlook on NBA things, speaks almost like a nba junkie with, at the same time, actual experience as a player.
@@TreeEl-gp2tx You nailed it. I always say that it's the role players that win championships. The stars are going to do what they do. But it's always the guys that are diving for balls, hitting clutch threes on a kick out pass, getting a clutch rebound that are that final piece that gets a team over the hump in the finals.
@@TreeEl-gp2tx least he past it cause Kobe was gone shot it regardless said it himself get the rebound
Big respect to Evan for admitting that he hated the dimished role. Its tough to admit that sometimes because of how much players are praised for finding their role and lengthening their career that way. Dude was a top 3 player in College his last year at OSU and was drafted #2 before having his role diminished relatively early in his career. Now I'm not saying he should've been given the keys to the palace cause we saw that he wasnt really built for that when he WAS given more of a role, but its very humanizing to hear from him about it
My brother and I walked past this tall guy at lollapalooza one year, and it was actually Evan Turner. He was nice enough to take a picture with us, so shout out Evan Turner! 🎉
Good post
He did not say he hated the diminished role, he said that he diminished his career in order to help certain teams win. He knows he had to do that in order to adapt and stay 10 years in the NBA. If he woulve tried to force being a star he wouldnt have lasted 1 year in the NBA.
He wasn't the best athlete. He was slow and didn't have a great shot.
@@josegabrielsanchez7938:20
Iggy's such a good guest. Great at articulating his thoughts and making good points. Hell of a veteran
Fair the the Dillion brooks comment was crazy. 60 percent of the guys in the nba shouldn’t be there then😅
The leader of the warriors dynasty
He has his own podcast called “Point Forward”
@@poptarts224 Dillion Brooks comments only scratches the surface of dumb Iggy takes. Just check out his views on social issues, yikes.
You can hear the pain and hurt in Evan’s voice. Man that’s gotta be tough embracing something that you know you are better than.
For real. I can't imagine being one of the bes 0.00001%t in the entire world of 9 billion or whatever people at what I do, and be regulated to essentially "stand there and distract the other team from the star""
Especially toward the end. I was away from my phone and had to pick it up and look
Evan almost brings a tear to my eye because his career is the embodiment of a dream deferred. Respect.
Evan, T Mac, Grant Hill 😢
@@TheSportsandFilmFellowship T Mac and Grant Hill are HoFers lmao.
@TheSportsFellowship Tmac never took a diminished role. Soon as he got to Magic he was the number one guy. Some might say he might have gave up opportunities to win championships because he just wanted to be the number 1 on a team and grant hill was definitely a star but injuries derailed his career
@@TheSportsandFilmFellowshipwhat are you talking about
@@TheSportsandFilmFellowshipdude, you are confusing a dream deferred, *with a lost opportunity* Evan gave up the flowers to play team first ball. TMac & Hill had injuries cut short their prime, like Zion & Lonzo today.
Damn, this is why I love JJ man. On the podcast, ESPN, talking basketball....this dude (and the guys he brings on) are the best of the best. Super cerebral, knows the game inside and out, just the best. And Andre....as a Warriors fan, much respect and I love this dude. The Warriors would not have won any of the first three chips without him.
Appreciate this. Cheers.
That’s why I love iguodala podcast.
The Warriors would have won every single chip in their franchise history without Iggy. It might have been a little harder but they would have won them.
Big facts
@@theoneafterthelastInteresting take. With that being said who would hav guarded bron?
Damn. Evan Turner speaking truth. This is gold. Evan Turner, you are a beast. Don't ever sell yourself short. I always picked you in my fantasy league. 🥰
You a clown bigger than Turner. Turner sucked
Didnt get many fantasy points then lmao
@@The123carreracome on man
@@The123carreraunless you picked him up in 13-14 , you def didn’t get much from him lmao
He do be squeaking the truth
Loved Evan Turner’s take. Good discussion @JJRedick.
Thanks for watching.
@@daytonjohn777 -- Guess you would need to be 1 of the 5000 in history to participate to truly understand.
@@semi6544 True, but this happens in ALL levels of the game.
This was a great convo. It definitely gave me a new perspective on the NBA players career.
This gave me a whole new perspective on players in the NBA and why guys like PatBev & Dillion Brooks exist. Plus it really amplifies the importance of management & coaching in the NBA. Because if you make it there then obviously you have talent.
Really? You didn’t know there’s under-talented pro athletes who get by on being crazy? They’re in every sport.
@@k_hack9441 lets be honest, if youre good enough to play professionally, then we naturally assume that you have talent. What i didnt fully grasp was the mindset of telling yourself “im the greatest” just to stay in the NBA or other leagues as well.
Dillon was dropping 40 with 5 or more 3’s in college and dropped 40 on the nba, not to mention first and second all defense. iggy was just chatting and so are you 😂
@@TAYTHEWXVE.madeit ….just say you dont watch basketball, looking at box scores really dont tell the whole story. And youre really arguing against someone whos been in the league and won rings? Casual
Pat Bev was a prolific scorer in college and still able to get buckets in the league when he gets the chance. He just isn't the first or second scoring option on plays. His current % aren't even bad@@k_hack9441
It's great to hear Evan Turner be so candid about this. I'm sure it's frustrating to accept a smaller role when you've been a star in HS and college and then you're a top pick. He did do it fairly well anyway, but I can understand why he didn't want to prolong his playing career.
💯💯
I always thought dude should have been a better player based on his skillset but hearing this it makes sense what he became
Loved Evan in his 2y tenure in Boston. He was great in balancing between playing the role and adding that spark and life to the team through some crazy creative things.
10+5+5+1, 44% while playing 28mpg from the bench - was a solid piece to Boston's playoff teams
While watching him for those 2y, I always felt like this guy could've easily been a starting 15+7+7 tall point forward in another playoff team if he was given that chance
He had that chance with the Sixers as a 2nd overall pick. He just wasn’t that good
wasn't athletic enough to compensate for his shooting. still think he could have been a bit better tho@@taj3618
@@taj3618to be honest doug collins was the coach at the time and he litteraly sabotage him.
I’m from Boston and a C’s fan. I’m trying to figure out if I missed something in his game that you didn’t. I disliked him in green a lot.
Definitely
"How would you be a head coach?" 😂😂😂😂
I took that as Iggy saw him higher up in the office, like a GM
*Why would you be a head coach?
@@KreativeInstinctsame
I thought the same but he actually said why? As in your way better most likely.
@@KreativeInstinct He means that JJ has more influence and potential ways to make more money doing what he doing now as opposed to being a coach with less of a spotlight on him. Iggy only cares about the money so that's all he is thinking about.
This is what makes your show special. I just want to say as a Blazers fan, thank you to Evan for being such a solid team player for so long. He definitely had some special moments.
This reminds me of the Mikal Bridges interview with you, where he was talking about how he was 'getting comfortable with that role' and then when he left to go to Brooklyn had to completely change his Ego to be the number 1.
Everyone, close your eyes and tell me you don’t hear Lil Yachty
I hear Meatwad
😂😂😂 deadass 💯
Yeah nah I don’t hear your lil rapper what I do see though is that Jj was sold the left over pieces from Rogan old studio! Df are those background pieces in the set? Just random lines 😂😂😂
Or Kermit
autotune and everything 😂
Evan Turner was insanely honest and raw with how he spoke his thoughts. Was always one of my favorite players back with the sixers
"I didn't play basketball that day. I went and got cardio and wrestled with some of the top talent in the world."-Turner... Man this had me rollin. 😂🤣
Turner got a point. I guess the level of confidence in yourself has to overtake your given role for you to really be seen. Much easier said than done turner can hoop
Evan Turner sucks.
It's all about what you want. I was always the best player on my team and could always score 30 but the role my team needed was for me to handle and distribute the ball. Yes I could have scored way more but we wouldn't have won as much if I didn't take the roll of a all around player and because I cared more about winning, I didn't care.
@@slimdigga9100 Did you play professionally though and did the role you have had affected your future salary and longevity of your career?
@@macieksz2829 not understanding at the time but in essence it could have. Because if I could have put up more, and better stats then I probably would have gotten way more scholarship offers that would have sent my life in a different trajectory. But because I had to tone down my skills maybe it did affect money I possibly could have made if I could have played at my maximum potential because I would have opened alot more doors. But I get your point about the NBA tho ijs
Evan had plenty of chances, especially after Iggy was traded. Team was built around Jrue and Turner. Jrue became an all star and Turner didn’t show any signs of improvement.
For real, this might be the best 17 minutes of commentary on basketball I’ve ever heard. Inspiring stuff. Love the show!
This might be one of the most compelling basketball conversations I've heard in a while.
What a nuanced look into the philosophy of team sports.
Andre was a star in Philly whose usage peaked in Year 4/5/6. Then, when coaches asked him to pivot and he embraced his 6th man role with the Warriors, it unlocked all time greatness as a supporter.
Evan was a star in Philly whose usage peaked in Year 4. Then, when coaches asked him to play a support role before he was ready to give up his edge, it became tough for him to be himself.
Of course, we can point to the team situations around them, but there is also a clear difference in needs and capabilities of players throughout their journey. Evan was asked to switch to role player way too young vs Iggy was more of a vet and wanted chips.
Really fascinating to hear them talk about what they needed to bring their best. They both wanted to help their teammates as best they could, but coaches and GMs have to understand what drives the players at their core in order to bring out the best in them.
Evan was a star?
LMAO.
2012-13 82 games played 2892 minutes:
PER 12.2 (not all star)
TS 48.8% (dreadful)
WS/48 0.35 (dreadful)
OBPM -2.2 (LMAO god u suck)
DBPM -0.2 ( below average)
Evan Turner was straight trash. Start to finish.
what kinda revisionist history lmao Evan turner was an extremely disappointing player and never a star Andre was also regressing three straight years averaging 14, 12. 13 before becoming a role player with the warrriors
Agree on Iggy. A star in decline before accepting his role-playership.
On Turner, his high was not as high as Iggy, agreed, but that 2013-14 season, the 76ers traded high when he averaged 17/6/4 and was one of the team’s “big three” (for a losing team admittedly) with MCW and Thad Young.
Anyway, my point is I believe him when he says that accepting more role-player type roles too early (mid twenties) when he felt he had the mental edge and the talent…is hard! And good coaches and GMs know what it takes to motivate their guys and get them not only to accept their role but also play the right role!
@@abdirahmanhassan1848 thank you. People love to bash the Sixers and are praising Turner. He had every chance in the world to become a star. He was a bust.
Evan hit on a great point. The system you're placed in absolutely matters in any sport you play but even more so in professional sports. If the coaches he played for were wiser they would've allowed Evan to be the 6'7 combo guard he was at OSU. Instead the tanking 76ers wanted a role for him in their little box. Great coaches adjust their system to the talent they have. Not vice versa. You rarely see players get to tweak the system to fit their skill set. Heck, LeBron's the lone one that comes to mind that has the freedom to do that to this day.
We weren’t tanking when Evan and Iggy were there. The “Process” started in 2014. When we traded Iggy in the Bynum trade, Evan was our 2nd best player next to Jrue. He never stepped up and simply wasn’t good enough.
@@officialthomasjames are you on that team? cause he said the franchise don't want to win games 🤣
@@officialthomasjamesright these people forget so fast lol. We were 1 game away from the eastern conference finals in 2012
WE THE PEOPLE NEED THIS EXPEDITIOUSLY. 🗣
"Losing the irrational confidence that was required to make it this far by now embracing your role"
When coaches get praise for keeping guys engaged when they're not playing well / a smaller than expected role, this is what they're explaining so well to their players - that their role is circumstantial based on the talent of the team and / or matchup and is not an indictment against their game. Without that explanation, it feels like it's an indictment of the player and explains why a player loses confidence and faith in their toolkit / process.
Evan, thanks for the nuanced perspective here!
Great summary and analysis !!
Not just the explanation but the results as well. You can tell me all day why my role is important but if we suck then whats the point of me sacrificing my points, my stats, and eventually my money.
This is going to be a good one
The full ep goes about 95 minutes. So many great moments.
listened to them on Gils Arena and it may have been their best one....cant wait for this one....lets go @@JJRedick
i love to hear evan speaking his mind it’s great jj
This is some of the best basketball off-season content ever. I love all three perspectives talking about their views and not talking over one another at all, and the passion each on of y’all has on each side of the argument. Evan Turner talking about crying when they told him they weren’t trying to win is really eye opening, cause so many teams tank and it’s not really talked on about the players’ perspective of being on a team that just isn’t playing for June basketball. JJ really has one of the best podcast out by far in terms of strictly basketball talks.
The dynamics in this clip are fantastic. ET's passion on the topic, AI being very calm and articulate, JJ steering the convo in the right direction. So much fun to listen to! How lucky we are to live in an age where we get such personal inside looks at NBA players! Keep up the excellent work!
Evan Turner displayed a commendable level of honesty and candour in his remarks. Nonetheless, he may have refrained from sharing specific thoughts due to the presence of Iggy and Redick. In particular, Iguodala has made significant sacrifices throughout his career and appears to be content with his achievements
This is one of the best segments I’ve ever heard on this podcast.
Such a good episode. I appreciate the open honesty and being candid in their personal stories
Evan Turner always gives really good takes 😂 very passionate too love it
Man, this is so good. three guys just trying to be honest, not humble, not bragging, just being honest. it is complicated
This conversation is so relatable. I feel so similar to what Evan is saying all the time. @JJRedick would love to hear you explore this more with future guests. Thanks for making me think.
I love Evan Turners dialogue
This might be one of the best basketball conversations I’ve heard
THIS. IS. YOUR. BEST. EPISODE.
NBA players speaking their heart out damn and having passionate debates that put "debate" TV shows "ehem First Take" to sleep
The chemistry here is great. JJ knows what works better than lost podcasters
Edit *most
Podcasters are lost to you?
@@da11kingHe meant most
These convo is so helpful in seeing how hard it is to be a role player.
16:14 when jj tells Evan he doesn’t think was a bust was weirdly wholesome for me😂
One of the most enlightening and enjoyable discussions on basketball I’ve ever heard. Honest and refreshing, thanks guys
This is deep. Thank you for sharing this! I love how you guys are opening up about your struggles inside and outside the court. Big fan of all y'all!
Conversations like these are why I appreciate players and former players having their own platforms now. It's interesting to hear players talk about their perspectives without interruption those who haven't played the game.
Love this conversation. I've had so many conversations through the years about how certain organizations/teams/fits have let down players. Such insightful, thoughtful commentary from all three of you. Thank You.
I loved this conversation. Good stuff hearing all these guys be vulnerable and honest about their careers. Especially Evan Turner
Great pod. Especially love the part about the teams and talent. I was an elite athlete when i was at school and the amount of clubs and coachs just destroying talent by bad coaching or other stuff is just crazy. Player development is so important
This episode is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is GREAT stuff JJ!!! Thanks for the great content really!
Iggy was like, "Hey, don't give the good stuff until I have you on my podcast" :) haha!
I think these 3 are the best players to do podcast, everything is so informative and real like I can listen to them all they long.
Great convo between these dudes. Love hearing this type of discussion from players.
I respect what Evan is saying so much man
Man, I never thought about that you put so much time to improve your skills and conditioning to get to the NBA only to end up on a team that's not trying to win....heartbreaking.
it's one of the big reasons I absolutely hate tanking. it puts those players into just the worst place
What an honest interview. Props to Evan Turner, JJ and Iggy. Just eye opening.
Very real and authentic points by Evan. So insightful.
This a real conversation for sure
JJ Redick and Andre Iguodala were really really good, great in fact, at certain skills that are in very high demand.
JJ is one of the best shooters of all time. Shooting is so vitally important for spacing in the NBA. If you're completely average at everything else but are a A+ shooter, you're going to have a role in the league for a long time. In his prime, there weren't five better shooters than JJ in the league.
Iguodala is one of the greatest wing defenders of all time. The man won a Finals MVP over Steph Curry because he was one of maybe three guys on the planet that could slow down LeBron. Plus, his basketball IQ was off the charts. About the only thing Iguodala didn't do exceptionally well on a basketball court was shoot the ball. That didn't matter that much in Golden State because he played with the two greatest shooters of all time.
Evan Turner didn't have anything he was exceptionally good at compared to others in his role in the NBA. Yeah, he was an OK but not great shooter. Decent ball handler. He could playmake and score. But there were 25 to 30 guys better than him at the role he wanted to play. Sure if you let him have the keys to a team, he could probably get you 20+ per game. But that wouldn't have been a good team.
JJ and Andre had incredibly valuable basketball skills that made decent teams better. They could fit into any system and play next to just about any star player. That's why they were able to stay in the league so long.
Can't wait to see a D.Rose interview. I feel like you'll be able to get him to talk his heart out.
Get DRose on here! And one more time after he retires so he can really tell some stories!
This is such brilliant dialogue and just real inside high level hoop talk and opinions; honest opinions. Really appreciate this episode JJ. 👊🏾💯
Love the open honesty in this conversation this is needed more three different great players in their own right with three different mindsets but all see the same thing.
It's so crazy how as a UK fan I absolutely hated JJ for soooo long but now as an analyst and even after he had been in the NBA for a few years he's become one of my all-time favorites. As an analyst he is one of the best and most real imo. As a player I couldn't help but be impressed at his ability to consistently be a high level role player year after year as an undersized, athletically challenged guard. Props to you JJ the game wouldn't be the same without you.
WOW, you guys just opened me up to a side of professional sports I never even realized. This was so good it kept me wanting to hear more.
Seeing Evan Turner at Ohio State i thought he was going into the league to at least be an all star and was kinda disappointed in his career. Hearing this conversation makes me realize how tough the NBA truly is.
Great conversation, I love this Podcast 💯💯
That was a fascinating conversation. It's crazy how much it hit home for Evan Turner. For those who don't remember, Turner was A former #2 pick and was REALLY GOOD. Projected to be a franchise player. His dissension from that, to out the league is very much surprising. But it's absolutely easy to forget about the politics of basketball and how much that goes into what we see on the floor as well as in the league in general.
Number 2 pick in a weak draft out of Ohio State with projections of being a quality role player at best.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 No he was not, He was a high level guard coming into the league where they were just getting started with accepting 6'7 PG's... In a draft with John Wall and PG... Stop.
@@OEThe11 shut up I’m not a fool to revisionist history. I watched him come up short at OSU.
PG wasn’t a big prospect out of Fresno at all….. this was a draft with Udoh being selected as a rim protector at best, Derrick Favors a role player at best and Monroe a low post presence that didn’t do much else.
The top prospects coming into the draft outside of John and Boogie were Xavier Henry and Wesley Johnson NEITHER being projected to be superstars.
The ABSOLUTE ONLY reason ET went number 2 was because Boogies attitude dropped his draft stock….. the two guys projected to be super stars were Boogie and John no one else 🤷♂️
Big ten player of the year
@@jamesonedwardsii4943out of Ohio state supposed to be a Knock? They have a valid hoops program
How come Kendrick Perkins is on ESPN and Evan Turner is not ?
Bro is very articulate , and has a command of the English language!!!!
Can't wait for this interview!
Such a great convo 🔥
It is just incredible how evan is just upfront of their position and how their different positions is contributing to this conversation. Lovin it. Evan seems like he forgot he was also plaing at a high level too, the way he humbles himself is kinda tough to see
Turner was good and had his moments 🔥💯 respect to dude for keeping it a buck …you know some players best years get wasted either bcuz of coaching/system and they end up riding the bench as a role player when potentially starting. Love this podcast and the diversity it always brings.
SO GOOD i watched it twice! bring on the full ep!
Another thing about taking a diminished role is it make you HYPER-AWARE of how everyone else is fulfilling their role. If I'm sacrificing, the players performing the role I want better be performing and we better be winning.
I feel like basketball is such a versatile sport that if you find a niche and a role you can fit perfectly in THE LEAGUE. You will have a 10+ year carrer even without being Jordan or Lebron. Those guys did not win until they had a squad behind them no matter how super human we think they are. It is a team sport as much as it is an individual one at the highest level.
No 20 year career for role players except Udonis Harlem. Being a great role player can get 10 years. Being a great role player AFTER 10 years of being a very good player is more likely and even harder.
@barronhall400 You're right, I was being too hyperbolic with the 20 year statement and should have said 10 in retrospect. Yet, I really wish teams had more veterans in todays league in a UD or Z-Bo type locker room presence situation. Even with diminished skillsets they could really help development. Most teams today got "vets" that are 28 years old cause of prioritizing youth rather than experience.
This is an electric combo of former player-commentators
cant wait for the full version
Can't wait for the full ep
Bro this sounds weird af but Evan turners fingers are long af and he sounds like an alien lol…y’all remember the aliens popping out in the beginning of MIB lol
😂😂😂😂😂 I was wondering the same thing. This dude sounds like an 👽 🤣🤣🤣
Nickname is ET too💀
@@ThommyMckGoaty lmaoooo
i think a perfect example of what iggy was trying to say was dennis rodman if he never had the mentality he had he would have literally never touched the nba floor
The quote that got me was. "I didn't play basketball today, I got a cardio workout and wrestled." That wold be a hard pill to swallow for any human being, let alone someone who'd dominated in college and earlier.
This hit home to me, thank you for sharing your experience.👏🏽 I appreciate this because it’s life in the end of the day we doing things to survive.
Evan is speaking facts. Dude was the #2 overall pick and diminished himself into a role player over which lowered his value.
or, here me out, he wasn't good enough to be a lead creator/franchise type player. sometimes that's just the way it is. and if he had bought into that sooner maybe his career woulda lasted longer.
@@bigh92591 Facts. The amount of people I see in comments acting like this dude was good at the pro level is insane. Dude couldn’t shoot, or score at the NBA level consistently
What iggy said: Philly shouldn’t have drafted you.
What iggy meant: you weren’t a legit #2 draft.
Maybe his career could’ve been a step higher than the way it went. But let’s not pretend like he was anywhere close to All NBA.
ET wasnt a catch & shoot three guy... like he said he was a 6'7 point guard was midrange king & didnt get anyplays to himself to score
@@Arihiroki_LG dude averaged 26 minutes a game for his career and shot 43% to go with 9 points. Why tf would he deserve to have plays ran for him consistently? Also, damn near every team has a play designated for one of the key players with minutes, to say you have 0 is a damn lie.
Give the people what they want! I need the rest of the interview, like yesterday!
Great conversation! I hated how coaches didn’t use Dwight in 2020. He would bully back up C’s, get great position under rim. And we wouldn’t ever run a play thru em! Give the man 4 plays a game. 1 a quarter! Ain’t hard!
This was gold. 🔥🔥 Great conversation and perspective.
Wow. I was blown away by all the points you guys made.
It would be great to see JJ interview some guys who actually were busts (Turner was not a bust!). It could be interesting to hear their perspective on what went wrong and how they handled performing below expectations and where they may have found areas of success elsewhere.
#2 pick
9.7/4.6/3.5 on 43/29/78
Career negative on offense
competent defender
Are you sure about what you saying?. If he was a 15+ pick lottery sure, but #2?. That's a bust. That draft was trash too.
This was a great convo.
Im glad to see so many people understanding process over results. Its a very powerful tool in every part of life that many people never even think about or consider.
This segment was really insightful. Thanks for providing it.
This is exactly how I always felt about Rudy Gay 3:20
Mad talented and just didn’t have the go mode.
Every time I hear Evan talk on a pod there’s always a moment he gon say “pause” after something he said😭💀💀
13:03 caught me so off guard
Awesome stuff. Just amazing. Thank you
This is so great appreciate the honesty from Evan.
End of the day he never developed a consistent jump shot, was put more off the ball and didn’t knock down shots
Starters taking on the roles to help the team win even if it means taking on a bench role seem to get a raw deal in terms of plays run for them, time on the court, salary negotiations and fan disrespect. It's a weird situation.
What a great conversation. Just commenting to say that, as a former and failed athlete (who experienced the highs of stardom and the lows of a diminished role), this is amazing content. Thanks JJ, ET, and AI for sharing this perspective with the world.
Fellas!! Fantastic conversation! Thank you for sharing