Wooden bandsaw riser block
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2017
- Making a short riser block for my 14" cast iron bandsaw.
woodgears.ca/bandsaw/riser.html
Dylan (woodbrew) was inspired by this to make a full 6" wooden riser block for his bandsaw:
• Does A Wooden Bandsaw ... - Jak na to + styl
I would never go so far as to set the precedent that one can have too many bandsaws, but certainly one can have too few, so you've done a great thing by helping your friend out!
I expected this bandsaw to reach his ceiling. Disappointed.
Has anyone plotted the average size increase per year of his home made bandsaws? I expect in 10 years time we should see a good 50 meter resaw capacity.
I built a 18", then a 16", then a 14", then a 20". Not an increasing trend.
Matthias Wandel You could always build a 22" then a 24", then 12", 10", 8", 26", 28", 30".
It is increasing but only with a R^2 value of 0.04.
I like the modification and nice of you to give it to your friend. I'm sure Luc will be very happy to have and use it in his shop. Another 21 years of life.
Why not put new alignment pins in? Drill the wood all the way through and put 2 dowels in the top half.
the end grain wood would split too easily, like when we carried the bandsaw. Plus, if it was off just slightly, it woudl be really hard to align
would not have used dowels, but used some cut off bolts or piece of round rod etc. You drilled thru with the drill press, should be square.
Yeah I have to agree with this, I watch all his videos but this one I had issue with. That saw is going to end up with alignment issues after being used for a period of time due to pivoting on the bolt. Adding alignment pins correctly isn't a 5 minute job but it will only save hassle in the long run.
We have a Porter Cable version of this saw. The upper pin holes are larger than the pins by a significant amount. The pins were around .25 in and the holes were around .3125. They really didn't do much to keep it in alignment. We installed a 6 inch extension made for a shop fox (the PC version didn't seem to be available). I didn't bother about the pins. It's stayed in alignment without any problems so far.
You could make it out of hardwood and carve the top and the bottom of it to hold the top of the bandsaw fixed in place. Or maybe clamps! ^_^
I always learn something watching your videos even if its you telling me how NOT to do something,and thank you for leaving your mistakes in the videos i feel slightly better when i screw up (which is A LOT).
Always a fan of your attitude. You see an opportunity/enhancement and say why not.
My bandsaw is relatively smooth and passes the nickel vibration test but agree with Shakdi Dagalimal about the great tip of reducing vibration by stabilizing the motor. Will give that a try.
Keep that inquisitive mind going!
Matthias needed a helper???!!
HAHA I thought the exact same thing!
It was not a helper it was a new bandsaw owner)
Вячеслав Тельнов ah, you reckon he had an ulterior motive! ;)
We all do, don't we? )
Not necessarily, mate, not necessarily...
An end grain riser block. How cool is that?!
Why didn't you drill all the way through the riser wooden-block (at 1:06) then glued a couple of metal rods in the holes? Would those work as alignment pins?
4:18 “with five bandsaws I might just have one to many” 😂
This video couldnt come at a better time. I bought a secondhand saw just like this today and had the same problem. Thanks
Werner
Hi Matthias,
the pins aren't just for alignment, but also for securing the top from tilting and shifting under the vibrations while sawing. The big bolt alone doesn't prevent that and after a while the top might touch the sawblade and damage the saw or even hurt someone, so you really might want to add new/longer pins trough the spacer-block.
While i enjoy his other videos this one is just bad. Could have avoided so many problems so easily....
that bandsaw is one of the longest produced modern tool models, I have one I just put together my father had laying around in his basement since he bought it.... brand new made in 1986 never assembled.
Note
The alignment pins are not solely for alignment the also prevent the top section of the band saw from twisting in use. Not a good idea to run it with this important safety feature. In addition I would suggest a lock nut or lock washer.
Twisting would fall under "alignment"
I enlarged the holes on a similar bandsaw before because the alignment pins were misaligned, to no ill effect.
Thank you so much for your reply. I fully agree that twisting is "Alignment" I sincerely hope that your friend Luke does not experience catastrophic and sudden "Misalignment" during a re-saw some day. Im quite certain that you fully appreciate the purpose of the alignment pins in this particular bandsaw.
My concern is that you did not extend the pins through the block riser to connect the upper section.
You also failed in the provision of a lock nut or tab washer on the large through bolt.
You do elude to the difficulty experienced in making the alignment and the fact that it moved again in transit to your friends workshop.
Surely these occurrences indicate that your quick fix in this particular case are not compliant to safe operation of the bandsaw.
If the large through bolt slackened off over time and was not observed.
The wood riser block and the metal structure are temporary fused together as happens all can appear fine and dandy until some additional force is applied i.e. cutting a tuff burl, then the whole lot suddenly give way and your friend is subject to injury before he even knows what happened.
Please get the saw back and extend the "Alignment" pins and render your quick fix safe. Thanks
You can never be too rich or too thin or have too many bandsaws
So is it possible to Mae a MUCH bigger spacer and convert the 14" bandsaw into an 18 or 20"?I guess some other mods would be necessary to blade guides, covers, etc.
easier to start from scratch
I have this same band saw. Bought it for $100 from a yard sale. Works great.
Are your 4 remaining bandsaws enough to make a band?
That thing seems it will get out of alignment in a week or so. Since it has only 1 support point, it has almost zero resistance against turning moment around z axis other than friction. Some aligment pins or at least some epoxy is needed there. I understand this is a favor for a friend, but we are used to expect very much from you Matthias :)
ever heard of friction?
Matthias Wandel bathroom scale test or it didn't happen! :)
Very nice and brilliantly done. How many kg load can be applied to the saw blade? Reason I ask is the Lennox saw dealer brought a tensioning gage to our shop. When adjusted correctly the load was considerable, I'm guessing it would compress wood. Any thoughts? (Probably should have done some research before rambling on here)
You could always drill the wholes through the riser block then glue in so alignment pins into the top to help with the alignment.
Wow, a band saw from Mr. Band Saw himself! What a deal.
Seems like that top will turn and get out of alignment over time from the general vibration of the machine as the blade moves inside. Having the alignment pins seems like a safer bet. Just thinking out loud.
right, just like the furniture in your house gets out of alignment from the vibration of people walking around, right? Cause you know, unlike the bandsaw, the furniture is not bolted down.
That was nice of you to give it away. Honestly I wouldn't think that you would do something like that. I guess I was wrong.
Alignment pins and holes can be formed by screws driven through counter sunk holes.
Cut off and grind exposed screws to form pins of appropriate size.
i dont think wood was the best thing to use in this application. maybe in a pinch. that was nice of you to give that to your friend. i bet hes happy.
sou seu fã, você é o cara 👍👍.
Great job
Thanks for another very interesting video. I'm now thinking about replacing the galvanised sheet metal top on my old cheap table saw. Trouble is everything bolts to it, so I can't replace it. But I can cover it with 1/4" plywood and Formica laminate. Formica for smoothness and durability. Then realised that I've never seen anybody use formica for that. So I'm wondering, could there be a reason for not using it. Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
COOL
Sweet, spreading the love. Like it.
Danke für die guten Tips !
first
I enjoy all your videos keep up the good work
Matthias, Do you envision any vibration issues with using a solid Red Oak block for the extension block?
Hi Matthias, I have this exact same Band Saw, and for some inexplicable reason the reduction gears have a sharp lip in the inside bottom of the gear which shoes up the edge of my belt. Did your model have this problem? If so did you do anything two solve it?
Mine doesn't have any gears. But it did have an intermediate reduction pulley, which had very noisy bearings. Eventualy, I just got rid of that pulley and used a longer belt.
@@matthiaswandel Do you know what brand/model this saw was? I have one from a no-name brand that is identical to this saw. I am trying to figure out what name brand it is the same as so that I can get parts if I ever need to.
Nice video ❤ Follower From iraq 😄
Hi Matthias. Just wondered what the drill bit is called that you were using on your drill press?
This guy is a genius
Hi Matthias, nice new video, but what model of table saw is it @2:15? There are similar looking saws around here in germany, like Scheppach TS 251, Holzstar TKS 255M, Bernardo TS 250 PD and Holzmann TS255M. Is yours also with built-in dust collection? Any comment on it or maybe a review? :) Thanks!
If you use your bandsaw a lot (and you don't need the extra half an inch of resaw height), you can save some money by buying 100' rolls of blade and size them however you want. I'm surprised that Matthias isn't already doing that, watching him sharpen a blade with a Dremel. (I'm so cheap, I have resharpened blades with a slipstone; you can target the sides better while retaining more frontal tooth/gully). I cut and braze several at a time, and I make them about 3/4" longer than stock for my particular saw. For my saw, the tensioner it's hard to get a stock blade on/off without accidentally unscrewing the tensioner all the way to where it falls off. PITA.
what size blade does that saw require. I think I have the same saw and need to replace the blade i just want to double check my measurement.
what is the diameter of the rod that holds the mount for the upper blade guide? I am trying to find a the proper fit as a replacement part for my similar bandsaw
Can one improvise a riser block for an old 12" craftsman band saw ( Model 137.224320) to get extra depth of cutting? Is that model a doable?
Thanks
did this stand the test of time? without the dowel pins to keep things aligned
I was hoping for a co-planer view from the scaffolding! :-D
Any chance of a further review of the DeWalt tablesaw?
What brand bandsaw is this? I have a knockoff that looks identical to it and want to know so I can find parts for it.
Road to a million...
Yo también quiero un amigo como Matthias...
Erik Quintana write in English.
Bill Hue aprendé un otro idioma.
What I write is that I would like a friend like Mattias
Gracias, no está mal exigir más.
Yo quiero 2 amigos como Matthias, uno que habla ingles y otro que habla español.
Very strange that this company let that design go ahead when it was clearly wrong and could have had the extra selling point of larger cutting area. Great video.
Matthias, do you think that vibration long term or resawing hardwood that takes a lot of pressure will throw the top out of alignment? To me it seems somewhat dangerous.
dafickler Yeah it would be easy enough to just replace that block with a 3/4" thick steel plate with the three holes drilled in it and just weld it to the top half of the frame.
Right, just weld it to the cast iron...
Matthias Wandel Ah. Love the passive aggressive attitude, not douchey in the slightest.
bronze weld would do perfectly
To do bronze brazing, you need a TIG welder. Some people don't have one of those.
checking if the wheels are coplanar by tracking backwards and forwards - HOW do you know this? Some some obscure woodworking book or magazine? Where do you pick up information like that?
Felix Dietz perhaps a little physics combined with his engineering degree ?
This seems incredibly familiar. I honestly thought you had already done this with a bandsaw, but maybe I was watching someone else's video?
Hi Matthias love your bandsaw builds how about a small bandsaw for a tiny shop?
You can buy small bandsaws quite cheap. No point in building one.
good work
It is funny, that CZcams recommends Your other video with this bandsaw, which You uploaded almost exactly 6 years ago on 27 february, 2011 =)
Very similar tags probably.
4:37 the best tip
What brand bandsaw is that?
i want to ask question, you used metal rod many times, you know when you insert a metal rod through two holes of wood, i see u put bearings at the both end of metal rod, but my question is how do you make the rod tight and firm on the bearings. when the metal spins with the gear, doesnt this make it the rod move on right or left?
hope u answer my question ASAP
also i want to find out if there is a better method of contacting you rather than youtube comments because i have lots of question and i really need in ur help in my project
Like clamps...one can never have enough bandsaws.
i just bought a bandsaw that looks a lot like this one. manufacturer lanel fell off long ago though. what brand is this? mine has a toyang motor and yoshitoya electronics
this one sold by a store called "toolex" with their badge on it. No idea who made it.
Matthias Wandel ill look in to it. thanks for the info.
another new bandsaw? :)
Interesting!
could I use this idea to raise my band saw 6 inches ?
yes
could you drop a plum Bob from wheel to wheel to check alignment a bit closer from the start?
first you'd have to make sure the bandsaw is exactly vertical.
Matthias Wandel you are right I don't know why I didn't think that first.....I'll blame the flu I have and tell myself I'm not getting g senile. lol
That's funny, my name is Luc and I have exactly the same King band-saw !
this one is't "king" brand.
Oh, OK, but it's identical to the one I have....So I think it's less funny then.... ;)
hi! how many HP does that motor have ? and RPM? thanks! I got the same saw but with not enugh power to do that cut
3/4 hp. Enough for this kind of saw.
Federico Favrin Izzy Swan just put out a video which may help in your case. Smaller saws can be used for resawing with a good blade, alignment and guide set up.
I don't know too much about that brand of Delta clone. I managed to find an ex school shop Delta with the 6 inch factory installed riser block. It has a 1hp motor. I forked over the money and got a carbide tipped laguna blade for it...pricey but with its thin kerf I am able to easily resaw 10 inch ambrosia maple with it. Use this info as a benchmark only...but beware that some Asian companies were notorious for overrating their HP rating. (Craftsman also took a beating for this practice a while back)
hi can you show us how to make a wodden barrel
thanks
Mr. Wandell i think your the creator of the "DIY"
That lifting technique tho
hermosa máquina caladora. ..
enviame los planos para fabricarla en Ecuador
Hmmm, since you have so many, I bet your friend would have been way better served with even the worst of your hand made units :-)
How are the mice doing?
any tips to minimize the vibration coming from my band saw motor?
watch the video
i tried that, i was wondering about actually fixing the motor it self. Even with the wood blocks my phone will dance off the table with no belts connected.
The motor on it's own doesn't vibrate significantly.
Matthias Wandel my motor does, pretty disappointing when it is a brand new saw and motor. I removed all belts and just ran the motor. the motor alone causes enough vibration to shake my phone off the table.
Then you need to take it back. You can't fix that unless the pulley is out of balance.
how do you know how much twisting force you can put on blades?
I don't twist the blades.
Matthias Wandel i mean when cutting a piece making sharp corners. should the blade not twist at all?
Sharp corners are made because of the set of the teeth. Besides, if the blade twisted while you're trying to cut a curve, the blade would be twisting and not cutting, right?
it just seems in those super sharp corners the blade would've been torqued. when i make sharp corners i get worried of the grinding sound
You're probably twisting the blade. Maybe you need a scroll saw.
works
if another band saw needs a new home let me know haha
who is Matthias helper in this video?
the guy who got the bandsaw
can you make a small coaster
Hi Luke.
With no pins I'd be concerned about it moving over time. Also the wood will shrink/expand with humidity, so it could loosen.
that's why I orineted the grain the way I did.
why not just buy the right size blade for the saw?
Because 93.5" is a standard size.
Matthias Wandel And because greater resaw capacity can't really be a bad thing, can it? Love your work, Matthias, and your general attitude towards challenges.
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you shouldnt spin the wheels by hand like that when you tested the tracking, you could accidently bump start it and you may injure yourself
well, stay on the couch. Life is too dangerous for you.
Matthias Wandel come on matthias. you must of seen the joke there! unless you were joking back. then we'll played sir.
"Well, stay on the couch. Life is too dangerous for you." Mathias, that's the best quote ever!
"Well, stay on the couch. Life is too dangerous for you." - Matthias 2017
the couch could collapse and cause injury, too.
Put new pins. It' easy
They already make cast iron riser blocks specifically for 14" bandsaws. But, I'm sure you already knew that and would much rather source a solution from the trash pile ;-)
Many of us do not need a 6" riser block, even though they are a heck of a bargain at $1XX.00 in a kit. I'm currently dreading my next project for which I'm going to try to use a HF bandsaw and jack it up an inch so I can saw a little bit over 6" tall dimensional. When I'm done, my goal is to sell it so that I can have some money back to spend on my next harebrained idea.
wouldn't a shorter blade have done the trick? less resaw height obviously but almost no work at all.
that would mean I couldn;t just walk in a hardware store and buy a standard length blade
One should not have to re engineer a tool to work properly once you get it home and set up according to the directions.
it depends on how much you spend on your tools.
Agreed....as a $150 Craigslist find I can fiddle with it. a lot of these 14 inch Delta clones cost much more than that new and have really poor quality control.
this isn't nearly as overbuilt as your normal solutions, i predict lots of complainers in these comments.
Hi,you have a lot of money invested in your hobbies,are you ever going to get some jobs to make some money to pay for all this ,or are you wealthy you don't need to earn money.I do love your videos,I have watched all of them,I make wooden toys like fire trucks ,bull dozers ,boats,cars,motor bikes,all 1/12 scale,I have 2 band saws ,jig saws ,scroll saws ,and so on ,I use only ply wood,and white pine.But I get the cost back by selling them.
I make videos for a living, so yes, I am getting a return on the investment.
Matthias played a key role in RIM Blackberry's successes from pre-IPO days. You can find numerous patents of his related to that work. My guess is that woodworking and making videos is a passion rather than a need.
You seriously couldn't make that riser out of steel? now your just making stuff out of wood for the sake of making stuff out of wood...
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Don't say its better than wooden. I'm going to buy plans ;-p
Matthias why do you need to fix this one when you have loads of probably better home made ones?
Just because.
Matthias Wandel fair enough
He was giving the saw to a viewer who doesn't ask questions before watching the entire video.
yo matthias could you make a give away video?? i hope that you will respond to my comment👍
kind regards,
Bjorn Brouwer
The Netherlands
(if you want that i edit videos for you i'd love to)
i love your project and i enjoy watching your videos!!
I bet Luke takes that block out
Bad work... Just bad... You need to make metal guide for the top part. Until that - this is just part of scrap metal...
Jammed wooden block as motor holder...I need go out and breathe...
rekt.
Sure. Just a few videos of people who really understand what they are doing and my sanity is back to normal.
I am glad that you are worried about my anus. But here in Russia I had a good eye on it.
Quick, someone build him a wooden faraday cage!
Lold
lol I think a guy with almost 1million subs knows what he's doing.
I think you need to rethink your title, it is a little missleading...
Tanki Divide Why?
Tanki Divide
Hmmm...
If there was a comma after "wooden".
Hmmm...
It sounds like a wooden bandsaw, and he is making a riser block for it.
Enough bandsaw videos already......
Easy. Don't watch the bandsaw videos.
Derek Resendes Enough oxygen, you say?!